Which race has the widest clavicles and shoulder width?

[lastofus123]

ok i get that.
but wouldn't wide clavicles be disadvantageous in savanah and rainforest regions which are majority of africa.
wider clavicles would have lesser surface area with more mass making it hard to cool off?

I can't be arsed going through his essays because this shit is fucking pointless to argue about, but here are studies I found on ssoth africans like this

Sexual dimorphism and ancestral variation in the pectoral and pelvic girdles of modern humans - PubMed

Discussions of the evolution of sexual dimorphism in torso shape and the pectoral region assume that this dimorphism exists independently of body size. We test this assumption in two human populations and further examine what is needed to understand sexual dimorphism in the pectoral region...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and he started blathering on about "if africans were the same size, theyd have wider clavicles" even tho in this study the africans were 169cm to whites 173cm which is like minor, but just to humour him i asked chatgpt to scale up blacks and clavicle length to whites and this was what i got

also even in his own studies, the difference is genuinely less than a cm, like here

41.6 vs 41.9cm is the difference that hes saying muh blacks mog and i suspect this could be a result of sampling bias, and I asked him to use africans only because we cant tell for african americans whether its the white or black dna having an effect on their increased shoulder sizes compared to actual africans and when i used nigerian populations because that is where most black americans come from

 

[unstable]

I can't be arsed going through his essays because this shit is fucking pointless to argue about, but here are studies I found on ssoth africans like this

Sexual dimorphism and ancestral variation in the pectoral and pelvic girdles of modern humans - PubMed

Discussions of the evolution of sexual dimorphism in torso shape and the pectoral region assume that this dimorphism exists independently of body size. We test this assumption in two human populations and further examine what is needed to understand sexual dimorphism in the pectoral region...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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and he started blathering on about "if africans were the same size, theyd have wider clavicles" even tho in this study the africans were 169cm to whites 173cm which is like minor, but just to humour him i asked chatgpt to scale up blacks and clavicle length to whites and this was what i got

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also even in his own studies, the difference is genuinely less than a cm, like here


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41.6 vs 41.9cm is the difference that hes saying muh blacks mog, and I asked him to use africans only because we cant tell for african americans whether its the white or black dna having an effect on their increased shoulder sizes compared to actual africans and when i used nigerian populations because that is where most black americans come from

hmm, even in your study it is less than 5 cm.

the problem is that african americans have white dna whereas native africans are poor and can't afford nutrition.

i'd rather believe the african american studies because majority of their dna is still african.

 

[lastofus123]

hmm, even in your study it is less than 5 cm.

5cm is way too big lol, most races in terms of clavicles and shoulder width are all within the same range like even for the asians, its only slightly smaller

Morphometric Analysis of the Clavicles in Chinese Population - PMC

The clavicle has a complex geometry that makes plate fixation technically difficult. The current study aims to measure the anatomical parameters of Chinese clavicles as reference for plate design. One hundred clavicles were analyzed. The clavicle ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

i'd rather believe the african american studies because majority of their dna is still african.

fair enough, but even in the studies hes using, its all less than a cm and i suspect a lot of it is sampling bias too and this isnt me coping, but like here

you can see whites going down by 0.3cm from 20-29 to 30-39 while it goes up for the other races which is a crazy decrease and I suspect theres outliers in the 30-39 bringing it down by a bit

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

41.6 vs 41.9cm is the difference that hes saying muh blacks mog

Nigger cherrypicked the smaller difference

and i suspect this could be a result of sampling bias, and I asked him to use africans only because we cant tell for african americans whether its the white or black dna having an effect on their increased shoulder sizes compared to actual africans and when i used nigerian populations because that is where most black americans come from

Sampling bias across every study over the last century
White blood increasing blacks shoulder width over pure whites

You asked the question of which people had the widest shoulders, and I gave you that answer. It's just not the answer you wanted to hear so now you are goalpost shifting to "Its not that big a difference", well no shit faggot, the question was about who is widest, not by how much wider

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

hmm, even in your study it is less than 5 cm.

the problem is that african americans have white dna whereas native africans are poor and can't afford nutrition.

i'd rather believe the african american studies because majority of their dna is still african.

He thinks white DNA is some kind of clav lengthening secret sauce that gives non whites wider clavs than whites themselves

 

[lastofus123]

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[unstable]

im using it because its actual data that was collected by the government on normal people you retard, holy fuck are you dense your other studies used soldiers or children

i said sampling bias for at least the 30-39 age group for whites because it shows whites decreasing by a bit while the other races have an increase in shoulder size which most likely means there were whites in the 30-39 section pulling the average down for that age group but no my argument is that we literally cannot be sure whether its white or black dna which causes black americans to have wider shoulders

im saying this because your making it out to be some significant difference when its less than fucking half a cm you retard holy fuck can you just stop

ok then do you agree than blacks have more or less the same clav as whites?
as for swimming then muscle density matters more, niggers who sink like a stone will have trouble swimming.

 

[lastofus123]

ok then do you agree than blacks have more or less the same clav as whites?

you know what from all the evidence, pretty much the same yeh

 

[lastofus123]

@TheGreatWhite Cope i dont want to keep arguing over this so ill accept that blacks and whites have equal clavicle length or blacks having it slightly wider

 

[TheTallnUgly]

Ive found no study saying theyre 5ft9 in avg, it mostly says theyre around 6ft avg. Joe Fazer made a vid there and said himself the people he saw in South Sudan were taller than ppl he saw in Netherlands( which is supposed to be the tallest white country)

I watched the video and he didn't say that and he towered over most of the people there lol

 

[mr007]

Its obviously blacks . And in general blacks have best bodies and proportion and its not even close

 

[mr007]

@TheGreatWhite Cope i dont want to keep arguing over this so ill accept that blacks and whites have equal clavicle length or blacks having it slightly wider

Clavicle length is parallel to height so whites are tallest race so ofcourse whites gonna have long clavicles than other races . But if same height than blacks mog

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Its

Purely from an untrained perspective and maybe potential

Id say its slavic and germanic whites 1st and 2nd then african americans ngl

blacks but blacks are also proven the most low IQ race so it’s a trade off

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

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It’obviously blacks . And in general blacks have best bodies and proportion and its not even close
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Blacks are low iq tho

 

[mr007]

And one more point whites or other races rarely develop crazy round delta without roids .

Untrained black sometimes have insane delts

 

[mr007]

Its

blacks but blacks are also proven the most low IQ race so it’s a trade off

Iq is environmental

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Black peolle when the best muscle building genetics by far

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

It’s

Iq is environmental

both genetics and environmental

 

[mr007]

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Blacks are low iq tho

The thread is about which race has longest clavicles

 

[Deleted member 51358]

It’s blacks

Whites usually have blocky waists

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

The thread is about which race has longest clavicles

It’s negros

 

[mr007]

Black peolle when the best muscle building genetics by far

Not all Africans . Mainly west africans

 

[mr007]

It’s blacks

Whites usually have blocky waists

And Short limbs

 

[unstable]

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Blacks are low iq tho

no they are not iq is not racial

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

no they are not iq is not racial

Obviously is

 

[unstable]

Obviously is

prove it.

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

prove it.

This is all you need to see

 

[unstable]

This is all you need to see

this actually proves the opposite her prefrontal cortex is so big

 

[lastofus123]

Its obviously blacks . And in general blacks have best bodies and proportion and its not even close
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I dont care about what you said, but this cherrypicking is fucking stupid, I too can do the exact same

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

this actually proves the opposite her prefrontal cortex is so big

Does it also make this guy high iq

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

On

I dont care about what you said, but this cherrypicking is fucking stupid, I too can do the exact same

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average it’s west Africans it’s obvious they have the best genetics it’s not even an argument

 

[mr007]

I dont care about what you said, but this cherrypicking is fucking stupid, I too can do the exact same

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Height difference. And you are slav

 

[lastofus123]

It’s blacks

Whites usually have blocky waists

thats proportions, im talking purely shoulder width/clavicles and its shown that whites and blacks are equal in terms of shoulder length

 

[unstable]

Does it also make this guy high iq

mirin big brain

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Does it also make this guy high iq

Bro please fucking tell me that’s not real wtf is that head holy fucking shit

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Does it also make this guy high iq

Fuck wtf fuck man

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

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Bro please fucking tell me that’s not real wtf is that head holy fucking shit

omalis bro

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

And one more point whites or other races rarely develop crazy round delta without roids .

Untrained black sometimes have insane delts

Thats what I was saying earlier, one thing I noticed about iShowspeed was that he had insane delt genetics. Even before working out. Shit chest though.

I use to play basketball at my college's fitness center and I swear about one third of the blacks I played with had weirdly developed delts, even when they obviously didn't train them. Watch a couple pick up street basketball vids and you'll probably notice the same thing

Something similar to this

 

[kenibba]

Europeans.

 

[mr007]

Thats what I was saying earlier, one thing I noticed about iShowspeed was that he had insane delt genetics. Even before working out. Shit chest though.

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I use to play basketball at my college's fitness center and I swear about one third of the blacks I played with had weirdly developed delts, even when they obviously didn't train them. Watch a couple pick up street basketball vids and you'll probably notice the same thing

Something similar to this
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Bro just look at nba black players they are tall asf and still have crazy delts . Look at Dwight Howard probably the best frame ever at 6'10.

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

Bro just look at nba black players they are tall asf and still have crazy delts . Look at Dwight Howard probably the best frame ever at 6'10.

Him, Anthony Davis, and Giannis all have mogger frames I'd say best 3 in the NBA.

 

[mr007]

Him, Anthony Davis, and Giannis all have mogger frames I'd say 3 best in the NBA.

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Yeah Anthony davis has mogger ass frame . Also kwahi Leonard as well . LeBron also jfl basically 90 % black players in nba have mogger frames . Only expections are mixed players and whites players

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

Slavs or Germanics most likely since they are ancestrally ambush hunters living in cold enviroments

 

[HeightPilledum]

I know who your talking about, those people are skinny as hell tho

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Imagine being that tall and yet still getting frame and skull mogged by White colonizers