Who are more shitskin: Greeks or Southern Italians?

[FlotPSL]

Literally any shared ancestry is minimal and pre historic if you can find me any study that says otherwise please link it

Ok so you agree there is ancestry?

 

[STAMPEDE]

Europe didn’t turn white because of some ANF fairy tale, pale skin, blue eyes, blond hair spread gradually from multiple groups, hunter-gatherers, anatolian farmers, steppe people, Greeks and Armenians didn't ''make Europe white'', they’re darker than Northern Europeans, stop oversimplifying history like an idiot

NIGGA ANF made europe white and ANF is present in all of Europeans, before ANF europe was DARK SKINNED, WHG had the blue eyes, ANF light skin and steppe groups had the height, ARE YOU MENTALLY RETARDED, ARE YOU FUCKING MENTALLY challanged?

 

[mrdouchebag]

Both Italian and Greeks are very close genetically. Southern Italians are extremely close to mainland greeks.
Both are shitskins compared to the glorious Aryan race of course. But both are white compared to africans, arabs, indians and asians.

 

[whiteegyptian]

NIGGA ANF made europe white and ANF is present in all of Europeans, before ANF europe was DARK SKINNED, WHG had the blue eyes, ANF light skin and steppe groups had the height, ARE YOU MENTALLY RETARDED, ARE YOU FUCKING MENTALLY challanged?

I'd be embarrassed for you, but you already embarrassed yourself, stop acting like a brainless history YouTube comment, Europe didn’t turn white because of some ANF fairy tale, light skin, blue eyes, blond hair came gradually from hunter gatherers, anatolian farmers, and the steppe people, ANF alone didn’t ''make Europe white'' Greeks and Armenians aren’t pale like Scandinavians or Germans and Dutch.

 

[VV62]

Ok so you agree there is ancestry?

Yes ancient tiny ancestry like all med populations have which comes from neolithics

 

[STAMPEDE]

I'd be embarrassed for you, but you already embarrassed yourself, stop acting like a brainless history YouTube comment, Europe didn’t turn white because of some ANF fairy tale, light skin, blue eyes, blond hair came gradually from hunter gatherers, anatolian farmers, and the steppe people, ANF alone didn’t ''make Europe white'' Greeks and Armenians aren’t pale like Scandinavians or Germans and Dutch.

I don't need to explain more, if you're willing to learn then read, if you don't, then stay retarded.

 

[whiteegyptian]

Both Italian and Greeks are very close genetically. Southern Italians are extremely close to mainland greeks.
Both are shitskins compared to the glorious Aryan race of course. But both are white compared to africans, arabs, indians and asians.

Not white compared to Arabs at all.

Greek vs Palestinian kids

 

[iblamexyz]

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These are Sicilian children. Keep in mind they are CHILDREN and thus have lighter skin than adults. Their average skin tone is also in line with the research.

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These are Cretan children. They actually look less shitskin than the Sicilians.

This is just my perspective. Both are largely BROWN, but who's browner?

Greeks are beautiful


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[FlotPSL]

Yes ancient tiny ancestry like all med populations have which comes from neolithics

Ok but we serbs dont have that

 

[whiteegyptian]

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I don't need to explain more, if you're willing to learn then read, if you don't, then stay retarded.

Reading won’t help when the person writing doesn’t understand basic genetics or history, you’re acting like ANF alone rewrote Europeans, fact light skin, blue eyes, height, all came gradually from multiple groups over thousands of years, stop pretending oversimplified reddit memes are real scholarship, dumbass.

 

[VV62]

Ok but we serbs dont have that

If you would look at the studies which obviously you don't do serbs also have ancient neolithic mediterranean ancestry from mixing when they arrived in the balkans

 

[mrdouchebag]

Not white compared to Arabs at all.
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Greek vs Palestinian kids

I mean c'mon bro, it only took me 10 seconds to google "greek students" and vast majority is white(not as white and glorious as the Aryans of course). Don't cherry pick.

 

[STAMPEDE]

Yes ancient tiny ancestry like all med populations have which comes from neolithics

There's no linked ancestry between albanians and levantine or outside european groups, all genetic tests of albanian population shows that they're 100% european genetically, and they're one of the purest populations in Europe, if not the purest, with 0% outside influences. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.05.543790v1.full

 

[whiteegyptian]

I mean c'mon bro, it only took me 10 seconds to google "greek students" and vast majority is white(not as white and glorious as the Aryans of course). Don't cherry pick.

 

[VV62]

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There's no linked ancestry between albanians and levantine or outside european groups, all genetic tests of albanian population shows that they're 100% european genetically, and they're one of the purest populations in Europe, if not the purest, with 0% outside influences. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...MQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1GJt4xwLCur0ckjpQmXLUZ

All europeans have tiny admixtures from migrations you can't be 100% european we have neolithic,steppe and ancient med contributions obviously these genomes are tiny and negligible but still

 

[mrdouchebag]

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Perhaps there is an evolutionary adaptation and they get whiter with age.

 

[FlotPSL]

serbs also have ancient neolithic mediterranean ancestry from mixing when they arrived in the balkans

Bro but those were white

 

[FlotPSL]

There's no linked ancestry between albanians and levantine or outside european groups

FALSE

 

[STAMPEDE]

Reading won’t help when the person writing doesn’t understand basic genetics or history, you’re acting like ANF alone rewrote Europeans, fact light skin, blue eyes, height, all came gradually from multiple groups over thousands of years, stop pretending oversimplified reddit memes are real scholarship, dumbass.

You don't have any sources whatsoever and literally denying genetic studies, I didn’t once claim ANF alone made Europe, Just fucking look at the sources I sent it says which ancestries made Europe... If you disagree with these literal studies then you must have some sources yourself right? Don't be retarded and learn. It's very unhealthy to stay ignorant.

 

[FlotPSL]

@STAMPEDE @VV62 BOOM NIGGERS

 

[Informationcapitali]

Sorry to disappoint you, but Swedes and Germans have nothing to do with Greeks or Armenians
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Swede and German vs Greek and Armenian.

You will always be know as the inferior, Southern European, with black eyes and olive skin, who has done nothing since 476 AD.

Keep coping.

DNR UGLy rejected all of them Rejected u as well.

 

[VV62]

FALSE

Literally the only link we have to levantines or any non european population is from early neolithic farmers or ancient immigration which as i mentioned before literally every other european population has these

Bro but those were white

Yes but our only ties to berbers or anyone non european population comes from them so you are being a hypocrite

@STAMPEDE @VV62 BOOM NIGGERS
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Literally no credible study supports this is this the best you could do?

 

[FlotPSL]

Yes but our only ties to berbers or anyone non european population comes from them so you are being a hypocrite

Bro its not the same
Albania and greece received non white immigrations
When serbs and croats mixed with the natives at the time those were white
However albania would receive non white anatolian migration(this has been proven since albanians share levantine and north african ancestry)

Literally no credible study supports this is this the best you could do?

Wdym?
Balkan genome on instagram never lies lol

ALSO I FORGOT TO RAISE THIS POINT SERBS AND CROATS HAVE NO HAPLOGROUP E

 

[VV62]

Bro its not the same
Albania and greece received non white immigrations
When serbs and croats mixed with the natives at the time those were white
However albania would receive non white anatolian migration(this has been proven since albanians share levantine and north african ancestry)

Literally no proof for this you just keep making the same shit up show me a single study interesting how the ethnics waited years for your people to immigrate here to make sure you come out white

Wdym?
Balkan genome on instagram never lies lol

ALSO I FORGOT TO RAISE THIS POINT SERBS AND CROATS HAVE NO HAPLOGROUP E

E-V13 the balkan subclade came from the neolithic farmers who you earlier said were white also this literally disproves your previous claim that albanians are from the caucasus because E-V13 is specific to the balkans and caucasian albanians have no E-V13 is this your credible source?

 

[Tusseleif]

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Modern day Italians and Greeks are literally 500x whiter than ancient Greeks and Romans, oh my God nan you people LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING, LITERALLY 0 KNOWLEDGE in these topics, LITERALLY 0 KNOWLEDGE oh my God

The people in some of those portraits in the upper right and bottom left are Egyptians, from the Fayum mummy portraits

 

[Tusseleif]

Augustus

 

[TheStonerOne]

Middle easterns and Europeans both have vastly different ancestors, that's what matters. Europeans come from ANF, WHG and steppe groups while Middle Easterns mostly from Nafutian farmers, zagrosian farmers and Iranian hunter gatherers and farmers. Their main genetic groups are NOT the same. By a overall autosomal genetic similarly, you could argue they're similar with Europeans as they are both west euasian groups, but you could say the same about every Asian or every other race in the planet. What matters is genetics, not skin color, and yeah, even outliers which are Sardians which you are using in your irrelevant points(it's not helping your point at all), score mostly ANF, one of the first and most common European ancestry which is still present in every European today, and you said that yourself, so you already agree. Overall I didn't quite understand what point you're trying to make other than helping my argument even more.

Proportions of DNA matter, not merely belonging to a group. Latvians are more distant to Greeks than the latter are to Kurds. Southern Italians are closer to Levantines than Eastern Europeans. This is a FACT.

If you think all "Europeans" only have 3 arbitrary ancestral components, you're a moron.

Genetics are clinal, Europeans and Middle Easterners came from the same sources. That's a fact. It doesn't matter what you think.

Western Eurasian ancestry is what binds Europeans to Middle Easterners. It doesn't matter if it's Natufian or Western Hunter Gatherer.

Also, if even ONE example undermines your point, it undermines your stupid racial ideology. It isn't just ONE example. Sicilians are genetically closer to most West Asians than they are to MOST Europeans.

 

[TheStonerOne]

Middle Easterners come mostly from Natufian sources?

Yes, those Kurds are EXACTLY like those Saudis, Yemenis/Yemeni-Jews.

 

[TheStonerOne]

Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans - PMC

We sequenced the genomes of a ~7,000 year old farmer from Germany and eight ~8,000 year old hunter-gatherers from Luxembourg and Sweden. We analyzed these and other ancient genomes1–4 with 2,345 contemporary humans to show that most present ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The overused study that most white supremacists can't fucking read.

"Fitting present-day Europeans into the model, we find that few populations can be fit as 2-way mixtures, but nearly all are compatible with 3-way mixtures of ANE/EEF/WHG (SI14). The mixture proportions from the fitted model (Fig. 2B; Extended Data Table 3) are encouragingly consistent with those obtained from a separate method that relates European populations to diverse outgroups using f4-statistics, assuming only that MA1 is an unmixed descendent of ANE, Loschbour of WHG, and Stuttgart of EEF (SI17). We infer that EEF ancestry in Europe today ranges from ~30% in the Baltic region to ~90% in the Mediterranean, consistent with patterns of identity-by-descent (IBD) sharing27,28 (SI18) and shared haplotype analysis (chromosome painting)29 (SI19) in which Loschbour shares more segments with northern Europeans and Stuttgart with southern Europeans. Southern Europeans inherited their European hunter-gatherer ancestry mostly via EEF ancestors (Extended Data Fig. 6), while Northern Europeans acquired up to 50% of WHG ancestry above and beyond the WHG-related ancestry which they received through their EEF ancestors. Europeans have a larger proportion of WHG than ANE ancestry in general. By contrast, in the Near East there is no detectable WHG ancestry, but up to ~29% ANE in the Caucasus (SI14). A striking feature of these findings is that ANE ancestry is inferred to be present in nearly all Europeans today (with a maximum of ~20%), but was absent in both farmers and hunter-gatherers from central/western Europe during the Neolithic transition. At the same time, we infer that ANE ancestry was not completely absent from the larger European region at that time: we find that it was present in ~8,000 years old Scandinavian hunter-gatherers, since MA1 shares more alleles with Motala12 (SHG) than with Loschbour, and Motala12 fits as a mixture of 81% WHG and 19% ANE (SI14).

Two sets of European populations are poor fits for the model. Sicilians, Maltese, and Ashkenazi Jews have EEF estimates of >100% consistent with their having more Near Eastern ancestry than can be explained via EEF admixture (SI17). They also cannot be jointly fit with other Europeans (SI14), and they fall in the gap between European and Near Easterners (Fig. 1B). Finns, Mordovians and Russians (from the northwest of Russia) also do not fit (SI14; Extended Data Table 3) due to East Eurasian gene flow into the ancestors of these northeastern European populations. These populations (and Chuvash and Saami) are more related to East Asians than can be explained by ANE admixture (Extended Data Fig. 7), likely reflecting a separate stream of Siberian gene flow into northeastern Europe (SI14)."

Sicilians
EEF:0.903
WHG: 0
ANE: 0.097

Ukrainian
EEF:0.462
WHG: 0.387
ANE: 0.151

How are these the same just because they share an arbitrary, ill-defined continent?

 

[TheStonerOne]

Population structure of modern-day Italians reveals patterns of ancient and archaic ancestries in Southern Europe - PMC

A population in a natural crossroad within Europe reveals multiple ancient contributions and substantial population structure.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Study shows that Southern Italians have Iranian Neolithic ancestry that others in Europe do not have.

 

[TheStonerOne]

Genomic history of the Italian population recapitulates key evolutionary dynamics of both Continental and Southern Europeans - PMC

The cline of human genetic diversity observable across Europe is recapitulated at a micro-geographic scale by variation within the Italian population. Besides resulting from extensive gene flow, this might be ascribable also to local adaptations to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Exploring the ancient genetic legacy of Italian population clusters

"To expand the inference of genetic ancestry shared between Italian population clusters and other Euro-Mediterranean groups far beyond the relatively recent timescale investigated by GLOBETROTTER analysis, we took advantage of the genome-wide data for 559 ancient DNA (aDNA) samples by assembling a “modern + aDNA dataset” (see the “Methods” section).

Principal component analysis (PCA) projecting ancient variation onto the genetic space defined by modern populations suggested appreciably different ancestral contributions to the N_ITA and S_ITA groups (Fig. 2a, Additional file 1: Figure S3). In particular, N_ITA individuals, which clustered close to people from the Iberian Peninsula (IBS) within the bulk of modern southwestern Europeans, showed a particular affinity with Central European, Hungarian, and British Neolithic samples; Copper Age subjects from Hungary and the Balkans; a Corded Ware Czech remain; and Iberian and Hungarian individuals belonging to the Bell Baker culture. Moreover, the centroid of the N_ITA cluster lay in proximity to the Copper Age Northern Italian Remedello sample. Conversely, S_ITA subjects showed tight relatedness with modern southeastern European populations (e.g., Cretans and Greeks), along with Neolithic, Copper Age, and Bronze Age Anatolian samples; Minoan remains from Crete, Neolithic, and Bronze Age Levantine individuals; and Chalcolithic Iranians"

 

[TheStonerOne]

Genome-wide analysis of Corsican population reveals a close affinity with Northern and Central Italy - PMC

Despite being the fourth largest island in the Mediterranean basin, the genetic variation of Corsica has not been explored as exhaustively as Sardinia, which is situated only 11 km South. However, it is likely that the populations of the two islands ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

FST table located somewhere. Look it up.

Sicilians vs Syrians: 0.004
Syrians vs Saudis: 0.006
Sicilians vs Germans: 0.006
Sicilians vs Lebanese: 0.005
Sicilians vs Swedes: 0.008

 

[FlotPSL]

E-V13 the balkan subclade came from the neolithic farmers who you earlier said were white also this literally disproves your previous claim that albanians are from the caucasus because E-V13 is specific to the balkans and caucasian albanians have no E-V13 is this your credible source?

Ok but its still the same E that africans have we serbs dont have that

Literally no proof for this you just keep making the same shit up show me a single study interesting how the ethnics waited years for your people to immigrate here to make sure you come out white

Proof is the E haplo bro

 

[FlotPSL]

Literally no proof for this you just keep making the same shit up show me a single study interesting how the ethnics waited years for your people to immigrate here to make sure you come out white


E-V13 the balkan subclade came from the neolithic farmers who you earlier said were white also this literally disproves your previous claim that albanians are from the caucasus because E-V13 is specific to the balkans and caucasian albanians have no E-V13 is this your credible source?

 

[VV62]

Ok but its still the same E that africans have we serbs dont have that


Proof is the E haplo bro

Serbs literally have the E haplo as well from mixing with Balkan natives, also E-V13 came from Neolithic Anatolian farmers, and E-V13 split from the rest of the E haplogroup around 15k years ago, also you claim that we became ethnic later, but E-V13 came into the Balkans like 7–8k years ago

 

[FlotPSL]

Serbs literally have the E haplo as well from mixing with Balkan natives, also E-V13 came from Neolithic Anatolian farmers, and E-V13 split from the rest of the E haplogroup around 15k years ago, also you claim that we became ethnic later, but E-V13 came into the Balkans like 7–8k years ago

bro serbs and croats dont have it

 

[VV62]

bro serbs and croats dont have it

How would they not have it when south slavs mixed heavily with balkan natives?The average balkan native has around 40% E-V13

 

[Swarthy Knight]

Both are Meds and related to Dravidians

 

[FlotPSL]

How would they not have it when south slavs mixed heavily with balkan natives?The average balkan native has around 40% E-V13

I refuse to believe this until you back it up

 

[VV62]

I refuse to believe this until you back it up

Genetic studies on Serbs - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"E1b1b-M215 is the second most common haplogroup among Serbs, and of that, E-V13 is a major subclade"
And it should be pretty water that serbs have E-V13 considering they mixed with the native population heavily

 

[Gengar]

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These are Sicilian children. Keep in mind they are CHILDREN and thus have lighter skin than adults. Their average skin tone is also in line with the research.

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These are Cretan children. They actually look less shitskin than the Sicilians.

This is just my perspective. Both are largely BROWN, but who's browner?

Southern Italians because they have Arabic admixture, whereas Greeks don’t have any foreign admixture in the same sense that Southern Italians do.

 

[Gengar]

Both are Meds and related to Dravidians

Based dravidology student.

 

[Gengar]

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Albanians are literally the whitest people in the balkans if we're talking about skin color only... but ofc I'm not retarded like you guys to say skin color makes someone White... It's genetics and phenotype that does.

He’s a retarded non-white slavshit.

 

[puniteking]

Greeks are swarthy even afghans are whiter

 

[FlotPSL]

He’s a retarded non-white slavshit.

LOL PAJEET CALLING ME NON WHITE

 

[Gengar]

LOL PAJEET CALLING ME NON WHITE

Slavjeet thinks he's white.

 

[FlotPSL]

Slavjeet thinks he's white.

Depending on the context of white

Caucasoid/yes
Culturally/no

 

[Gengar]

Depending on the context of white

Caucasoid/yes
Culturally/no

White = Western/Northern Europe.

 

[FlotPSL]

White = Western/Northern Europe.

Does this include iberians lol?

 

[anthony111553]

White = Western/Northern Europe.

reiner avi is crazy, i thought the aura loss couldn't get any lower