Who shaped humanities moral compass?

[itsoverforyoubro]

Living life without moral compass is much better for the individual but 'muh collective good'. Look at anyone in power or very famous, they dont give a shit and are thriving. Society shouldn't be your priority, especially for many outcasts on this shithole forum.

Exactly

 

[lucifer88]

Mb my internet slow asf, I already explained but I think morals come from humans instinctual needs to survive and help our friends and family, it is also emphasised by our intelligence and knowledge of other beings relatability. If there is any other intelligent life in the universe they would most likely have similar morals since all species primary focus is to survive and keep the species alive. Beyond human life or any somewhat intelligent life morals don’t exist. A female spider doesn’t hesitate to kill its mate after being impregnated because the male has carried out its purpose and the female needs food. Completely different to humans

i didnt wanna step in but this dude the retard updated my perspective ealier so to me ur take is clean but its too neat your claiming morals come from survival and social instincts and that any intelligent species would have similar ones but thats assuming way too much symmetry across evolution intelligence doesnt guarantee empathy or cooperation it just means better problem solving a hyper intelligent alien could be entirely solitary ruthless and still thrive

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Mb my internet slow asf, I already explained but I think morals come from humans instinctual needs to survive and help our friends and family, it is also emphasised by our intelligence and knowledge of other beings relatability. If there is any other intelligent life in the universe they would most likely have similar morals since all species primary focus is to survive and keep the species alive. Beyond human life or any somewhat intelligent life morals don’t exist. A female spider doesn’t hesitate to kill its mate after being impregnated because the male has carried out its purpose and the female needs food. Completely different to humans

if it's about simply biology then how do you explain human reason, logic, conscious etc.?

Living life without moral compass is much better for the individual but 'muh collective good'. Look at anyone in power or very famous, they dont give a shit and are thriving. Society shouldn't be your priority, especially for many outcasts on this shithole forum.

cope

 

[gravlek]

cope

Keep spending your time competing 'cope' but watching anime while your government and celebs fuck you over

 

[Eskorbutin]

Living life without moral compass is much better for the individual but 'muh collective good'. Look at anyone in power or very famous, they dont give a shit and are thriving. Society shouldn't be your priority, especially for many outcasts on this shithole forum.

This but actually because modern societies and social networks are the new panopticon

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Keep spending your time competing 'cope' but watching anime while your government and celebs fuck you over

how do you know if such life is better for the individual? dictators are literally the most unhappy ppl ever

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

i didnt wanna step in but this dude the retard updated my perspective ealier so to me ur take is clean but its too neat your claiming morals come from survival and social instincts and that any intelligent species would have similar ones but thats assuming way too much symmetry across evolution intelligence doesnt guarantee empathy or cooperation it just means better problem solving a hyper intelligent alien could be entirely solitary ruthless and still thrive

Yeah ion know wtf I was on about with the alien thing, my spider point contradicts it and is better

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

if it's about simply biology then how do you explain human reason, logic, conscious etc.?

cope

Morals have nothing to do with logic

 

[gravlek]

This but actually because modern societies and social networks are the new panopticon

'Democracy'

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Morals have nothing to do with logic

then how are you saying something about morals if it has nothing to do with logic? your arguments are illogical as well in that case.

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Yeah ion know wtf I was on about with the alien thing, my spider point contradicts it and is better

spider has no reason, it's a shit analogy

 

[Eskorbutin]

'Democracy'

They already knew 200 years ago and it's crazy how people nowadays is LESS aware. Gramsci wrote for NOTHING

 

[lucifer88]

This but actually because modern societies and social networks are the new panopticon

bro these dudes are so low iq, they cant even defend their claim properly, legit only me and @theRetard know how to come up with good lines rest of u ape niggers are idiots

 

[gravlek]

They already knew 200 years ago and it's crazy how people nowadays is LESS aware. Gramsci wrote for NOTHING

It's not that weird. Groupthink got boosted into the stratosphere because of social media. Individual identity has truly disappeared. Oh Oh Oh

 

[Eskorbutin]

bro these dudes are so low iq, they cant even defend their claim properly, legit only me and @theRetard know how to come up with good lines rest of u ape niggers are idiots

What's your critique of what I said?

 

[gravlek]

bro these dudes are so low iq, they cant even defend their claim properly, legit only me and @theRetard know how to come up with good lines rest of u ape niggers are idiots

sure bro, go brag about your iq

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

then how are you saying something about morals if it has nothing to do with logic? your arguments are illogical as well in that case.

They aren’t, and what even is ur point?

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

sure bro, go brag about your iq

Anyone that brags about their iq probably doesn’t have a high iq, either that or they’re very ND

 

[Eskorbutin]

bro these dudes are so low iq, they cant even defend their claim properly, legit only me and @theRetard know how to come up with good lines rest of u ape niggers are idiots

What's your critique of what I said?

Actually just go read Foucault, Gramsci, Adorno and Guy Debord then write an essay on how retarded they are

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

Actually just go read Foucault, Gramsci, Adorno and Guy Debord then write an essay on how retarded they are

I don’t even know what side people are on in this thread

 

[gravlek]

Actually just go read Foucault, Gramsci, Adorno and Guy Debord then write an essay on how retarded they are

Im not sure that they know any of the above mentioned jfl

 

[Deleted member 231621]

They aren’t, and what even is ur point?

so your argument is illogical (you admitted it), so it's not the truth

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

spider has no reason, it's a shit analogy

Of course the spider has reason. It is hungry. It shows that even species that we come across every day have completely different morals

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Of course the spider has reason. It is hungry. It shows that even species that we come across every day have completely different morals

spider has a reason

 

[Eskorbutin]

I don’t even know what side people are on in this thread

Im not sure that they know any of the above mentioned jfl

Im glad spent so many years alone just reading seething coping and rotting just to debate against teenagers that haven't done it

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

so your argument is illogical (you admitted it), so it's not the truth

in what way is it illogical, it is clear what u are trying to whether its intentional or not u argue by simply saying the opposition is wrong and get them to keep trying to prove their point until they slightly contradict themself or make a bad point so u can use that and say their whole argument is wrong. It shows ur too lazy to make ur point and this way of arguing is very much learnt from tv

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

spider has a reason

Make a point retard and stop just denying mine

 

[unstable]

spider has no reason, it's a shit analogy

what is your philosophy exactly what do you believe in?

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

Im glad spent so many years alone just reading seething coping and rotting just to debate against teenagers that haven't done it

Ur complaining? Ur choice to be here

 

[Deleted member 231621]

in what way is it illogical, it is clear what u are trying to whether its intentional or not u argue by simply saying the opposition is wrong and get them to keep trying to prove their point until they slightly contradict themself or make a bad point so u can use that and say their whole argument is wrong. It shows ur too lazy to make ur point and this way of arguing is very much learnt from tv

>morals is illogical (and so, this claim is illogical as well)
>muh in a what way is it illogical

Make a point retard and stop just denying mine

spider has no reason, and so he is not able to discover morals

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

what is your philosophy exactly what do you believe in?

He thinks there’s some magical thing called morals and we just discovered it

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

what is your philosophy exactly what do you believe in?

He thinks there’s some magical thing called morals and we just discovered it

 

[lucifer88]

in what way is it illogical, it is clear what u are trying to whether its intentional or not u argue by simply saying the opposition is wrong and get them to keep trying to prove their point until they slightly contradict themself or make a bad point so u can use that and say their whole argument is wrong. It shows ur too lazy to make ur point and this way of arguing is very much lear

in what way is it illogical, it is clear what u are trying to whether its intentional or not u argue by simply saying the opposition is wrong and get them to keep trying to prove their point until they slightly contradict themself or make a bad point so u can use that and say their whole argument is wrong. It shows ur too lazy to make ur point and this way of arguing is very much learnt from tv

its not tv logic either what youre describing is jst basic dialectic if someone makes a claim and cant defend it without contradiction then yeah the claim falls apart

 

[Deleted member 231621]

what is your philosophy exactly what do you believe in?

aristotelianism

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

>morals is illogical (and so, this claim is illogical as well)
>muh in a what way is it illogical

spider has no reason, and so he is not able to discover morals

U can’t just throw around the words reason and illogical and act like ur arguing, can u define reason for me so ik what the fuck u could possibly mean?

 

[Deleted member 231621]

U can’t just throw around the words reason and illogical and act like ur arguing, can u define reason for me so ik what the fuck u could possibly mean?

"i don't understand it so you are wrong"

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

its not tv logic either what youre describing is jst basic dialectic if someone makes a claim and cant defend it without contradiction then yeah the claim falls apart

I am defending my claim perfectly well and he just keeps basically saying nah ur wrong with no following argument towards what he believes

 

[Deleted member 231621]

U can’t just throw around the words reason and illogical and act like ur arguing, can u define reason for me so ik what the fuck u could possibly mean?

reason is an ability to think

 

[unstable]

aristotelianism

like humans need to achieve virtue through being at the golden mean of two qualities?
and eudaimonia is possible?
but as far as i know that even aristotle didn't believe in morals.

 

[Deleted member 231621]

I am defending my claim perfectly well and he just keeps basically saying nah ur wrong with no following argument towards what he believes

aristotelianism

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

"i don't understand it so you are wrong"

Once again just denying my point without making one urself. What a pussy

 

[Eskorbutin]

Ur complaining? Ur choice to be here

Not really, I have fun, it's just sarcasm in regards this in particular because every thread like this I've read ends the same way

 

[Deleted member 231621]

but as far as i know that even aristotle didn't believe in morals.

nichomachean ethics: his most famous book

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

aristotelianism

Define that, and before judging because I don’t know keep in mind that intelligence ≠ knowledge and just because I haven’t researched it doesn’t mean I won’t understand it

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Once again just denying my point without making one urself. What a pussy

alright, morals is real and has always existed, even before humans

 

[unstable]

reason is an ability to think

nichomachean ethics: his most famous book

sorry i phrased it incorrectly he didn't believe in objective morality

only reason that humans have morals is because they are evolutionarily lucrative and the reason we have moral outliers like serial killers and politicians is because that is evolutionarily lucrative as well. just like straights and gays.

 

[Deleted member 148650]

It's just the way life is the same way gravity just exists.
Killing/hurting an innocent person is just bad because you are ending their life/ causing them pain

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

alright, morals is real and has always existed, even before humans

Obviously, but not human morals which is what the thread is about. We didn’t discover human morals which is a point u previously made, we developed them through evolution and thousands of years of society

 

[Deleted member 231621]

sorry i phrased it incorrectly he didn't believe in objective morality

he did, it's into his metaphysics

only reason that humans have morals is because they are evolutionarily lucrative and the reason we have moral outliers like serial killers and politicians is because that is evolutionarily lucrative as well. just like straights and gays.

it's evolutionarily lucrative because it's good, although good is independent from evolution as such

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

It's just the way life is the same way gravity just exists.
Killing/hurting an innocent person is just bad because you are ending their life/ causing them pain

Gravity doesn’t just exist, nothing does and if u accept that everything just exists with no further thought I have bad news for u
Brutal IQpill