You aren't let into the afterlife/jannah/jahannam by your deeds specifically, but rather the mercy of God.
yeah but how do u know which god to pick? there’s been literally thousands. and many of these gods claim you will go to hell if you do not specifically worship them and if you worship them all you’re still fucked.
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Well I might aswell believe in God because it's the most popular religion and has some historical evidence?
I was not talking about what gets you your final judgement, but just if free will is real or just an illusion of choice provided by your lack of knowledge of a future that, according to it, is already foreseen and set in stone. If its predetermined, you have no other "real" choice (coinscious or not) than to complete that will, there is no true free will but the vision of god, its not that hard to understand.
wym what? You never heard of Pascal's Wager?
You're right.But I might aswell worship the God that is in the bible because most religions are a foundation of worshipping that god alone.You have higher chances worshipping that god than any other god.
Philosophy only works on a personal scale, not a societal one. That’s why religions have been dominant throughout history. Science isn’t able to guide anything apart from technological advancement
I understand but when you say the bible i assume you mean christianity, right? there are religions that came before christianity, and there are even older ones that have faded away/disappeared. there's no way to account for them, and none of them can be proven right or wrong.
That means that everybody can be guided by philosophy.
True but I'm probably gonna go to hell since I'm gonna rope at 17
Nigga you don’t believe in god that’s why you have a frame of a 10 year old
Everyone can be guided by their own PERSONAL philosophy. You can’t build a cohesive society if everyone has their own distinct personal philosophy with no central philosophical belief present. That’s the issue I’m pointing out.
What's your point then? Sure it's God's will.
Replacemnts for Religious morals exist already.
religious people aswell
They can’t, because they have nothing to back them. There’s no incentive to believe in it. That’s why religions dominated throughout history
Religious morals are only backed by god.
Even if theres No god You’d still have Morals + You’d go to jail for life
I'd never be caught but maybe I'd still have morals from brad pitt movies
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We are born with alot of our moral insticts
Some men are savages like me
Alot of users here are just not much educated in regards to evoulution and physics.
That and the fact that edgy kids (which makes up a lot of this site obviously) now think religion is the new counter culture since it’s falling out of favor with so much of the public so they gravitate towards it.
There is no such thing as “pure reason” within the context of morality. This is why there is even a rift between western secularists and secularists in China in terms of morals. Unless you want to conclude that western morals are backed more by reason, your entire point might as well be thrown in the trash.Religious morals are only backed by god.
You should do this because god told you to do.
Thats religious argumentation.
God knows best. He is wise etc.
The other stuff is backed by pure reason.
It has better argumention that is backing it in comperasion to religious morals.
Philosophical thinking is much more advanced in this regard.
You should read about the
Categorical imperative
Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.
But not all is packed by pure reason alone.
We should look at the scientific research in regards to morality.
Morals come from evolution not religion.
utilitarianism is also pretty solid.Evolution of morality - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
You should decide if something is benefical in regards to how much hapiness it bring to the people who are affected by it.
Seems pretty logical
Philosophy argues better than religion
Taboos against incest don’t exist in a large part of the world and were mostly enforced by religion + most of these things you linked don’t even scratch the surface of the moral views a society may hold and the reasons they hold them
Iam lazy its very time consuming to write large text
Christopher hitchens was a mid-wit at best. He often strawmanned his opponent, talked over them, was Overly loud, etc.
Nothing wrong with talking over people and being loud if they’re mischaracterizing your position or saying something stupid. Haven’t seen many strawmans from Hitchens to be honest. Hitchens is basically what Ben Shapiro and his dumbass followers think he is as a debater.
If you actually have a point you don’t need to force it through with talking over people and hitchens was the king of mischaracterizing / strawmanning. Massive exaggerator as well, such as when he talks about religion as a concept being a dictatorship. Jfl @ this
I just want gf and eventual marriagejfl @ joining PSL and wanting to become a slayer while becoming a religiouscel
most here want to slay
exactly society + mental state sum fucking subhuman mentally ill would argue that its ok to kill people or whatever
If these are the arguments you’re gonna make then tbh there’s no point in continuing this just lol @ this the moral code somebody has fully depends on the society they are raised in. Next to 0 of the morals somebody has are inherently biological
Christian
what are you ethnically?
Religion IS a dictatorship though. This isn't an exaggeration at all. It controls billions of people around the globe and gives way to echo chamber thinking. It compels people to blindly believe, hate others who aren't like them, and support war because of it. It forces them to use emotions over logic and reason. It leads to a bunch of awful decisions and outcomes for society.
