Why are European Nationalists called the far right?

[TsarTsar444]

Left/right is almost completely based on economy, or from upper(right)/lower(left) classes. It comes from the french revolution where the common people will sit on the left side of the parliament while the aristocrats would sit on the right.
You are not right if you want to hang homos, many of those french commoners where more conservative then a degenerate french aristocrat. You can be a nationalistic leftist, progressive centrist etc.

Majority of Euro nationalists are reactionary centrist, not left or right economically, yet they are called far right when not a single sane normal person would be far right, the only people who i can imagine being far right is Elon Musk or other billioners

 

[Deleted member 756]

The Far right tend to be economically left and socially reactionary. Fascism was borne out of socialism you're right

 

[Cali Yuga]

its a slur against white people who arent completely psychologically cucked

it has no meaning beyond this

 

[Deleted member 756]

Left/right is almost completely based on economy, or from upper(right)/lower(left) classes. It comes from the french revolution where the common people will sit on the left side of the parliament while the aristocrats would sit on the right.
You are not right if you want to hang homos, many of those french commoners where more conservative then a degenerate french aristocrat. You can be a nationalistic leftist, progressive centrist etc.

Majority of Euro nationalists are reactionary centrist, not left or right economically, yet they are called far right when not a single sane normal person would be far right, the only people who i can imagine being far right is Elon Musk or other billioners

Would you say most euro nationalists are more civic than ethnic? Even parties like AfD are more about German values and ideas rather than ethnicity

 

[TsarTsar444]

The Far right tend to be economically left and socially reactionary. Fascism was borne out of socialism you're right

Fascists were center economically in their theory

 

[TsarTsar444]

Would you say most euro nationalists are more civic than ethnic? Even parties like AfD are more about German values and ideas rather than ethnicity

Yes, one of their members is a turk i believe

 

[Deleted member 756]

Fascists were center economically in their theory

Fascists want to oversee and supervise the means of production whereas socialists want to control the means of production. Fascism was very pro business and capitalism provided it served the needs of the state. Mussolini though was said to be more left leaning economically than most other fascists

 

[Deleted member 756]

Yes, one of their members is a turk i believe

Even in France with the National Front lots of Jews and Blacks vote for them because of their leftist economic policies and views towards islam

 

[TsarTsar444]

Fascists want to oversee and supervise the means of production whereas socialists want to control the means of production. Fascism was very pro business and capitalism provided it served the needs of the state. Mussolini though was said to be more left leaning economically than most other fascists

Yes but todays euro nationalists are definitely not fascists anymore even though retarded media calls them that cuz "uuu bad wordd"

 

[Deleted member 756]

Yes but todays euro nationalists are definitely not fascists anymore even though retarded media calls them that cuz "uuu bad wordd"

Definitely, fascists are very very taboo. You have parties like the BNP in Britain who are pretty close to fascist though but they are not popular at all.
Did you know a lot of early fascists were Jewish? Fascism in of itself isn't racist per se and not anti jewish. Mussolini saw Jews as ethnic Italians and thus part of Fascist Italy. My great grandfather was Italian but born in Libya and he told stories of how Mussolini tried to make islam into an Italian religion.

Mussolini called himself the great defender of Islam

 

[Deleted member 756]

Yes but todays euro nationalists are definitely not fascists anymore even though retarded media calls them that cuz "uuu bad wordd"

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/when-jews-backed-a-fascist-mussolini-king-victor-emmanel-1.451099

Fascism itself isn't racist or anti jewish tbh. Like I said earlier Mussolini was very keen to allow North Africans, Ethiopians and jews to be "Italian"

Most euro nationalists are a mix of civic nationalists, some ethnic with a small percentage of actual fascists

 

[TsarTsar444]

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/when-jews-backed-a-fascist-mussolini-king-victor-emmanel-1.451099

Fascism itself isn't racist or anti jewish tbh. Like I said earlier Mussolini was very keen to allow North Africans, Ethiopians and jews to be "Italian"

Most euro nationalists are a mix of civic nationalists, some ethnic with a small percentage of actual fascists

Don't forget the cultural nationalists

 

[Deleted member 756]

Don't forget the cultural nationalists

Indeed, actually the most successful nationalist party in Europe is left wing and culturally nationalist. They're the only party in Europe to lead a government. A lot of European nationalists however are not good with their image and they say stupid things which makes them unelectable imo

Scottish National Party - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deleted member 275]

At the latest political vote in the netherlands, the biggest party was FvD (Forum for Democracy).

This party is considered a far-right nazi fascist party by popular media and the general public here. Just like how Trump is portrayed in popular media I guess.

Considering how these popular political ideas are being censored nowadays by the media, see Trump being cancelled by all media platforms, I see no other way out than civil war.

The political system is a scam and we need violent revolution to take back control of our countries.

Germany far right: Elite KSK commando force 'to be partially disbanded'

The KSK commando force has been criticised for right-wing extremism in its ranks.

www.bbc.com

This is some good shit. More incels should join elite special forces units for the training and start collecting equipment for the big reset.

 

[Deleted member 4019]

At the latest political vote in the netherlands, the biggest party was FvD (Forum for Democracy).

This party is considered a far-right nazi fascist party by popular media and the general public here. Just like how Trump is portrayed in popular media I guess.

Considering how these popular political ideas are being censored nowadays by the media, see Trump being cancelled by all media platforms, I see no other way out than civil war.

The political system is a scam and we need violent revolution to take back control of our countries.

Germany far right: Elite KSK commando force 'to be partially disbanded'

The KSK commando force has been criticised for right-wing extremism in its ranks.

www.bbc.com

This is some good shit. More incels should join elite special forces units for the training and start collecting equipment for the big reset.

what are you going to do with ethnic people if you succeed?

 

[TsarTsar444]

At the latest political vote in the netherlands, the biggest party was FvD (Forum for Democracy).

This party is considered a far-right nazi fascist party by popular media and the general public here. Just like how Trump is portrayed in popular media I guess.

Considering how these popular political ideas are being censored nowadays by the media, see Trump being cancelled by all media platforms, I see no other way out than civil war.

The political system is a scam and we need violent revolution to take back control of our countries.

Germany far right: Elite KSK commando force 'to be partially disbanded'

The KSK commando force has been criticised for right-wing extremism in its ranks.

www.bbc.com

This is some good shit. More incels should join elite special forces units for the training and start collecting equipment for the big reset.

Doesn't make sense, I thought Europeans were higher iq, how can welfare supporting nationalists be far right

 

[Deleted member 275]

what are you going to do with ethnic people if you succeed?

Nothing? It's one of many examples of fakenews that popular media spread: that far-right nazi fascist parties have anything against ethnics.

Those parties don't want more immigrants, refugees, etc. in their countries. Especially when they have no education, no money, don't speak english, have weird cultural/religious beliefs, etc.

They also want ethnics that are already live here to respect the dominant cultural values that already exist in our country. Like not wearing burqa's in public, not raping, not stealing, learning the language, etc.

 

[Deleted member 4019]

Nothing? It's one of many examples of fakenews that popular media spread: that far-right nazi fascist parties have anything against ethnics.

Those parties don't want more immigrants, refugees, etc. in their countries. Especially when they have no education, no money, don't speak english, have weird cultural/religious beliefs, etc.

They also want ethnics that are already live here to respect the dominant cultural values that already exist in our country. Like not wearing burqa's in public, not raping, not stealing, learning the language, etc.

Eurocuck

 

[Deleted member 275]

Doesn't make sense, I thought Europeans were higher iq, how can welfare supporting nationalists be far right

Europeans don't have higher iq. People here just say/think whatever the media tells them to say/think.

Nationalism is associated with the far right.
While globalism is associated with the left.

It has nothing to do with how right and left used to be about economic policy. Economic policy is irrelevant nowadays.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Europeans don't have higher iq. People here just say/think whatever the media tells them to say/think.

Nationalism is associated with the far right.
While globalism is associated with the left.

It has nothing to do with how right and left used to be about economic policy. Economic policy is irrelevant nowadays.

Wait FvD actually won an election jfl how is that possible in the Netherlands???

 

[Deleted member 275]

Wait FvD actually won an election jfl how is that possible in the Netherlands???

We always had a large fascist representation in our voting. Used to be with PVV - Wilders, now with FvD.

The fight on the right: what drives voting for the Dutch Freedom Party and for the Forum for Democracy? - Acta Politica

In 2017, the Forum for Democracy (FvD) and the Freedom Party both won seats in the Dutch parliament. Both of these parties are radical right-wing populist parties. It does not happen often that two radical right-wing populist parties gain seats in the same election. The question is to what...

link.springer.com

This paper examines the competition between these two parties looking at three surveys spanning between 2017 and 2019, when FvD became the largest party in the Dutch Senate.

There will be new elections in March though and expectations are low for FvD so they most likely won't be the biggest anymore.

Being part or supporting any of these parties is social suicide in the netherlands. There have been numerous cases of people being fired from public functions when it became known that they supported these political parties. I also lost my ex gf because I voted this party (JFL).

Big figures in these parties tend to have 24/7 security because they become targets of violence. Death threats are very common. Popular media jump at any chance to demonize these parties.

Which is why I hope these parties start a violent revolution in the near future and just take power by force instead of through a political system that is rigged.

Kinda like how Hitler got to power in the 30s. PVV and FVD should just start a paramilitary force tbh, they are over-representated among young men anyways so they have the perfect demography.

 

[TsarTsar444]

We always had a large fascist representation in our voting. Used to be with PVV - Wilders, now with FvD.

The fight on the right: what drives voting for the Dutch Freedom Party and for the Forum for Democracy? - Acta Politica

In 2017, the Forum for Democracy (FvD) and the Freedom Party both won seats in the Dutch parliament. Both of these parties are radical right-wing populist parties. It does not happen often that two radical right-wing populist parties gain seats in the same election. The question is to what...

link.springer.com

There will be new elections in March though and expectations are low for FvD so they most likely won't be the biggest anymore.

Being part or supporting any of these parties is social suicide in the netherlands. There have been numerous cases of people being fired from public functions when it became known that they supported these political parties. I also lost my ex gf because I voted this party (JFL).

Big figures in these parties tend to have 24/7 security because they become targets of violence. Death threats are very common. Popular media jump at any chance to demonize these parties.

Which is why I hope these parties start a violent revolution in the near future and just take power by force instead of through a political system that is rigged.

I don't understand, if they are first or second most powerful how is it social suicide? Isn't it normie to support them if they are so popular

 

[Deleted member 275]

I don't understand, if they are first or second most powerful how is it social suicide? Isn't it normie to support them if they are so popular

While they are the largest party, they are still small in the grand scheme. We have many parties in the netherlands.

FvD became the largest party with only 14% of the votes. Second-largest party had 13% of the votes. And then you have another 15 parties that all have 1-10% of the popular vote each. Most of these parties strictly band together against the FvD and exclude them from collaboration in governments, etc.

So maybe ~20% of all the voters in the netherlands are fascists right now.

 

[TUSSELEIF]

I think it’s Americanized terms of what is left vs right that Europeans adopted, seeing as many Europeans also have started saying "liberal" referring to people with progressive views, just like in the US, even though it can have different meanings depending on country. I think it also depends on how political terms have evolved through the centuries

 

[TsarTsar444]

While they are the largest party, they are still small in the grand scheme. We have many parties in the netherlands.

FvD became the largest party with only 14% of the votes. Second-largest party had 13% of the votes. And then you have another 15 parties that all have 1-10% of the popular vote each. Most of these parties strictly band together against the FvD and exclude them from collaboration in governments, etc.

So maybe ~20% of all the voters in the netherlands are fascists right now.

That sounds like hell jfl, what a cucked place

 

[Deleted member 275]

That sounds like hell jfl, what a cucked place

If you are against mass-immigration of uneducated ethnics that are ~10 times over-represented in crime compared to native citizens, you are considered nazi fascist scum in the netherlands.

It's over for this country tbh. But idk, need to leave this place anyways because the women here have insane standards and I am incel here. Economy wise it's also not the greatest place. Taxes are sky-high and you get little in return.

I can understand why ethnics become rapists so often here when they have to compete with the same 6'4 chads for women like I do. I would probably do the same if I was them.

 

[metagross]

At the latest political vote in the netherlands, the biggest party was FvD (Forum for Democracy).

This party is considered a far-right nazi fascist party by popular media and the general public here. Just like how Trump is portrayed in popular media I guess.

Considering how these popular political ideas are being censored nowadays by the media, see Trump being cancelled by all media platforms, I see no other way out than civil war.

The political system is a scam and we need violent revolution to take back control of our countries.

Germany far right: Elite KSK commando force 'to be partially disbanded'

The KSK commando force has been criticised for right-wing extremism in its ranks.

www.bbc.com

This is some good shit. More incels should join elite special forces units for the training and start collecting equipment for the big reset.

The speaker of the FvD is a very stylish man. I don't speak dutch, but saw a speech of him one time and it was actually very cool. Baudet or something was his name? Can't remember.

 

[TsarTsar444]

If you are against mass-immigration of uneducated ethnics that are ~10 times over-represented in crime compared to native citizens, you are considered nazi fascist scum in the netherlands.

It's over for this country tbh. But idk, need to leave this place anyways because the women here have insane standards and I am incel here. Economy wise it's also not the greatest place. Taxes are sky-high and you get little in return.

I can understand why ethnics become rapists so often here when they have to compete with the same 6'4 chads for women like I do. I would probably do the same if I was them.

Why are dutch normies so low iq then, is there any good explanation on this?

 

[Deleted member 275]

The speaker of the FvD is a very stylish man. I don't speak dutch, but saw a speech of him one time and it was actually very cool. Baudet or something was his name? Can't remember.

Yeah, he is well-spoken. But sometimes comes across as arrogant and high-class pretentious though. Gotta love it or hate it.


Maybe you speak Latin? Here he was trolling by talking in latin jfl.

Atleast he has some character/personality. Most politicians are faceless NPCs in the dutch political system.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Why are dutch normies so low iq then, is there any good explanation on this?

It doesn't have anything to do with IQ.

People just want to fit in with society you know. Feeling like you belong and that the people you live with are/think similar as you.

So you copy whatever ideas, music, tradiations, etc. are popular and mainstream. Whatever ideas popular media tell you are good, and avoiding that what they tell you is 'bad'.

People just want to fit in, looking for a sense of belonging. Which is very lacking in modern society.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Yeah, he is well-spoken. But sometimes comes across as arrogant and high-class pretentious though. Gotta love it or hate it.


Maybe you speak Latin? Here he was trolling by talking in latin jfl.

Atleast he has some character/personality. Most politicians are faceless NPCs in the dutch political system.

I heard he wants to ban RC's in the Netherlands

 

[Deleted member 275]

I heard he wants to ban RC's in the Netherlands

RC's?

 

[TsarTsar444]

RC's?

Research chemicals, 3mmc, DOC, 1p LSD, 2fma

 

[metagross]

Europeans don't have higher iq. People here just say/think whatever the media tells them to say/think.

Not higher than asians, but higher than many african and middle-eastern people for sure.
Not always by huge amounts though.
Look here for the latest numbers, updated in 2019: https://www.researchgate.net/project/Worlds-IQ

These are IQ world scores, but can be broken down by ethnicity or ancestry.
See here, among hispanics and african americans. Positive relationship of european ancestry and higher IQs:

Biogeographic Ancestry, Cognitive Ability and Socioeconomic Outcomes

The cause(s) of ubiquitous cognitive differences between American self-identified racial/ethnic groups (SIREs) is uncertain. Evolutionary-genetic models posit that ancestral genetic selection pressures are the ultimate source of these differences. Conversely, sociological models posit that these...

www.mdpi.com

Doesn't mean they're higher than all non-europeans of course. But on average, it's higher.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Not higher than asians, but higher than many african and middle-eastern people for sure.
Not always by huge amounts though.
Look here for the latest numbers, updated in 2019: https://www.researchgate.net/project/Worlds-IQ

These are IQ world scores, but can be broken down by ethnicity or ancestry.
See here, among hispanics and african americans. Positive relationship of european ancestry and higher IQs:
View attachment 927501

Biogeographic Ancestry, Cognitive Ability and Socioeconomic Outcomes

The cause(s) of ubiquitous cognitive differences between American self-identified racial/ethnic groups (SIREs) is uncertain. Evolutionary-genetic models posit that ancestral genetic selection pressures are the ultimate source of these differences. Conversely, sociological models posit that these...

www.mdpi.com

Doesn't mean they're higher than all non-europeans of course. But on average, it's higher.

Iq tests are cope, majority of people i know are retards. IQ is just about how good of a obedient robot you are, the lowest iq people in Europe, Albanians, are one of the most successful people, they are very smart in different, more effective way

 

[Deleted member 275]

Research chemicals, 3mmc, DOC, 1p LSD, 2fma

Wouldn't know. He is in favor of legalizing softdrugs and certain harddugs so wouldnt seem in line.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Wouldn't know. He is in favor of legalizing softdrugs and certain harddugs so wouldnt seem in line.

Jfl then why do normies hate him, holy shit

 

[Deleted member 10185]

its a slur against white people who arent completely psychologically cucked

it has no meaning beyond this

Most of them are dumbass people that lacks education and sympathy. Sometimes they have good reason to be angry but those groups always have worst people and usually they ruin their chances for power. I had enough of Far right. They will bring you chaos when they get power... same way as Trump provided.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Jfl then why do normies hate him, holy shit

because the media and popular figures tell them to

 

[metagross]

Iq tests are cope, majority of people i know are retards. IQ is just about how good of a obedient robot you are, the lowest iq people in Europe, Albanians, are one of the most successful people, they are very smart in different, more effective way

That's your opinion, but largely unfounded.
If you're not autistic, IQ predicts future job performance, school grades, etc.
It's a pretty good measurement of general intelligence.

 

[TsarTsar444]

That's your opinion, but largely unfounded.
If you're not autistic, IQ predicts future job performance, school grades, etc.
It's a pretty good measurement of general intelligence.
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Lmao it doesn't mean shit, again albanians are low iq but mafia gangsters living the life in western Europe while high iq stemcels wage cuck until death

 

[Cali Yuga]

Most of them are dumbass people that lacks education and sympathy. Sometimes they have good reason to be angry but those groups always have worst people and usually they ruin their chances for power. I had enough of Far right. They will bring you chaos when they get power... same way as Trump provided.

cuck

 

[Stare]

 

[Deleted member 10185]

cuck

I would rather be Cuck than dumb nationalist that will burn their country in progress. There are much better way to handled crisis than causing division between your own population.

 

[Deleted member 275]

That's your opinion, but largely unfounded.
If you're not autistic, IQ predicts future job performance, school grades, etc.
It's a pretty good measurement of general intelligence.
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Education level, occupation and income at later age aren't that important for life quality though.

I can take myself as an example: I have a tested IQ of 128IQ, performed in the top 1% in national standardized testing throughout my youth, went to the highest/best school and ended up at one of the most competitive university programs.

Throughout all of this, I lived in poverty, because my parents were poor. We don't have scholarships, so doing your best at school or not means nothing for your income untill you are done studying and you can get that slightly better job when you are already ~25yo. At this point low IQ people that don't go to school will have already worked for ~5 years and had income during that time. You won't catch-up with them in income/wealth untill you are atleast 30yo.

Education/IQ is an extremely long-term approach to life. Where you sacrifice your life quality during your prime, for a bit of extra money in your 30s and after. I don't think it's good for life quality.


Also the reason why this correlation between IQ and income seems so big, is mostly because low IQ people are over-represented in shit-tier income. Once you filter out wellfare income and shit-tier income, there's no correlation between IQ and income anymore:

 

[Deleted member 275]

I would rather be Cuck than dumb nationalist that will burn their country in progress. There are much better way to handled crisis than causing division between your own population.

The funny thing is that it's not the 'nationalists' or trump supporters that are causing division in a country's population. It's the anti-nationalists, anti-fascists, the 'leftists'.

If you doubt mainstream ideas/opinions, you are immediately stigmatized by that camp and branded a nazi, fascist, hitler, etc. You can't blame the party you are excluding from normal social participation, for excluding themselves. It's retarded.

My ex-gf is a clear example. She voted for 'extreme-left' parties while I voted for 'extreme-right' parties. Our views on most things in life weren't even all that different, and I tolerated her having different opinions and was willing to discuss and exchange viewpoints. In the end I consider politics only a small part of my life so I didn't have much emotion involved in those affairs, unlike her.

Meanwhile she was literally forcing me to take over her viewpoints and vote for the same party as her, despite not being able to convince me with any decent arguments. Typical of leftists, anti-fascists, anti-nationalists, whatever you want to call them, to divide a country instead of cooperate.

You are also a clear example of this behavior with this comment tbh.

 

[TsarTsar444]

The funny thing is that it's not the 'nationalists' or trump supporters that are causing division in a country's population. It's the anti-nationalists, anti-fascists, the 'leftists'.

If you doubt mainstream ideas/opinions, you are immediately stigmatized by that camp and branded a nazi, fascist, hitler, etc. You can't blame the party you are excluding from normal social participation for excluding themselves, it's retarded.

My ex-gf is a clear example. She voted for 'extreme-left' parties while I voted for 'extreme-right' parties. Our views on most things in life weren't even all that different, and I tolerated her having different opinions and was willing to discuss and exchange viewpoints. In the end I consider politics only a small part of my life so I didn't have much emotion involved in those affairs, unlike her.

Meanwhile she was literally forcing me to take over her viewpoints and vote for the same party as her, despite not being able to convince me with any decent arguments. Typical of leftists, anti-fascists, anti-nationalists, whatever you want to call them, to divide a country instead of cooperate.

You are also a clear example of this behavior with this comment tbh.

Wierd my gf is slightly left and very progressive but doesn't give a shit when i tell her faggs should be hanged

 

[TITUS]

It's jewish terminology.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Wierd my gf is slightly left and very progressive but doesn't give a shit when i tell her faggs should be hanged

Yeah tbh, I've kinda come to realize that it was all just 1 big cope from her and she simply didn't like the way I looked enough and that's the reason she really broke up with me. My political opinion was just an excuse for her to rationalize her lookist bias.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Yeah tbh, I've kinda come to realize that it was all just 1 big cope from her and she simply didn't like the way I looked enough and that's the reason she really broke up with me. My political opinion was just an excuse for her to rationalize her lookist bias.

If you are gl enough for her you can say the most racist and fascist stuff and she would still beg for your dick even as a giga progressive cunt