Why are Stormfront, incels.is and the like so obsessed with (futile) attempts to deny substantial Middle Eastern ancestry in Greeks and Italians?

[TheStonerOne]

The ancient Middle East was significantly more civilised and advanced than (Northern) Europe. It's also undeniable that Greeks and Italians derive a substantial proportion of their ancestry from the Middle East moreso than other "Europeans". Those civilisations were heavily influenced by the Middle East. We know that in global studies that Middle Easterners and Europeans overlap genetically. This means the overwhelming majority of direct ancestry from the same sources.

It also doesn't make sense trying to deny what is known by necessity. That these are darker skinned peoples and thus not a good fit for Nordic delusions. That they are closely related with various Jewish groups. That they are closely related with various West Asian (Caucasus and Levantine) groups. These are facts. These haven't been seriously debated. Nor should they be.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Bro thinks he's @pfl

 

[looksmaxxed]

you have it the flipped. we don't deny indo iranian, aryan, and scythians, and even egyptians had similar genes to grecian whites, but that was thousands of years ago, before they were devolved through the same process happening in the west through demographic replacement. ancient greeks and romans were almost certain whiter than modern italians and greeks. all their great advancements and civilizational achievements halted the moment the r selected brown subhumans outbred them.

yes there is middle eastern admixture in modern greeks and italians through islamic expansion, but that came well after these once great civilizations had gone into decline from being browned

 

[TheStonerOne]

you have it the flipped. we don't deny indo iranian, aryan, and scythians, and even egyptians had similar genes to grecian whites, but that was thousands of years ago, before they were devolved through the same process happening in the west through demographic replacement. ancient greeks and romans were almost certain whiter than modern italians and greeks. all their great advancements and civilizational achievements halted the moment the r selected brown subhumans outbred them.

yes there is middle eastern admixture in modern greeks and italians through islamic expansion, but that came well after these once great civilizations had gone into decline from being browned

OK, so you have some things correct. But some less so.

You are correct that some admixture from the Middle East took place in Southern Italy during the Islamic Era. That's true. Although some evidence suggests that there was a split between the Italian regions long before antiquity.

However, regarding Ancient vs Modern Greeks and Ancient vs Modern Italians, it's a bit different. If anything, Italians became whitened when Northern Europeans sacked Rome and became inhabitants. European ancestry INCREASED gradually and Middle Eastern ancestry declined. That seemed to be due to the deaths of Middle Easterners (Syrians, Phoenicians and so forth) and Greeks.

As for Greeks, Slavic invasions throughout Greece decreased Middle Eastern ancestry and increased Northern/Eastern European ancestry to ~40% in Macedonia and ~30% in the Peloponnese. Even Crete was affected with ~18% of that ancestry. Only the Dodecanese was relatively unscathed with only ~2.5%.

Given how (most) Slavs look, one could argue Modern Greeks are "whiter" than before. We see in paintings and frescos people who were rather dark skinned.

As for the various Middle Easterners, there's no evidence they were anything but (mostly) brown. We know the Egyptians were dark skinned as that was how they were described and it's highly unlikely Cyrus and the Medians differed greatly from modern Persians. There was also the Islamic Golden Age which built upon Ancient Greeks who again were shifted to the Middle East.

If anything, the problems with Greece and Italy were due to Northern Europeans imposing themselves on said Greeks and Italians. Even the Mediterraneanists refused to call themselves "white" and they refused to denigrate Eastern Mediterraneans whilst denigrating Northern Europeans.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Mandatory @lastofus123 tag

 

[Nex Gen]

No idea, I thought everyone knows that THIS GRAPH is literally BASIC INFORMATION which can EASILY be verified if you just WALK AROUND these countries. RED means the VAST MAJORITY have WHITE coloring as in PALE SKIN with COLORED EYES, also known as the ONLY definition that ACTUALLY matters -- the rest are either visibly BROWN or visibly MIXED on average.

Yes, FRANCE is in BLUE -- before RETARDS come at me, ALAIN DELON had a GERMAN mother which is why he has bright COLORED EYES and such a good SKULL SHAPE. It's VERY hard to find native French people that even SOMEWHAT resemble him on average -- and for good reason. Most of them have BROWN EYES, a weird face shape, and rather curly hair.

 

[lastofus123]

Mandatory @lastofus123 tag

i already blocked this fucking retard, and why is he so obsessed with this shit, literally everyone irl considers them white as shit because they literally are white and they also consider themselves, plus greeks and italians cluster closer to other europeans then any mena population even in the studies hes posted in our arguments and by his own admission he admits modern greeks are white so jfl at this

rest is mumbo jumbo, the greeks clearly diffrentiated themselves from mena populations like the persians and there also wasnt a concept of race back then other than "these were my people and fuck the rest of them" like the spartans did with the athenians and other city states and rome is the exact same where they clearly diffrentiated themselves from mena and had european face structures in the sculptures