Why are women not attracted to body as much as guys?

[Broski]

Surely a good looking body can compensate a Normie face. Like if a girl is bland looking but has an amazing body, that is enough for me. But why would they not be as attracted to a good male body, why is face so important?

 

[mvp2v1]

Surely a good looking body can compensate a Normie face. Like if a girl is bland looking but has an amazing body, that is enough for me. But why would they not be as attracted to a good male body, why is face so important?

Are there any studies to back this up?

I think they do:

 

[Artemis]

Surely a good looking body can compensate a Normie face. Like if a girl is bland looking but has an amazing body, that is enough for me. But why would they not be as attracted to a good male body, why is face so important?

Actually, if we go scientifically, women are attracted to the body as much as they are attracted to the face. I saw a study like that somewhere a long time ago.

BUT the issue is that you do not really demonstrate your body to the public much, you are not a caveman hunter. As such, having a top notch body is pretty much irrelevant.

 

[Deleted member 15854]

Surely a good looking body can compensate a Normie face. Like if a girl is bland looking but has an amazing body, that is enough for me. But why would they not be as attracted to a good male body, why is face so important?

shit face good bod = mog

 

[Licoice]

...they do
how would women not be attracted to bodybuilder physique

 

[bara]

guys will fuck a hole occupied by wasps

Jokes aside, female clothing is designed to showcase their bodies and they generally dress better

Most guys dress like shit so they don’t get to show off their physique outside the beach etc., I can assure you women value a good bod.

 

[Broski]

guys will fuck a hole occupied by wasps

Jokes aside, female clothing is designed to showcase their bodies and they generally dress better

Most guys dress like shit so they don’t get to show off their physique outside the beach etc., I can assure you women value a good bod.

So just wear tight fitting clothes?

 

[bara]

So just wear tight fitting clothes?

That’s a pretty blanket statement but I’d say more “well fitted”.

If you are actually fit and have a good frame then yes wear something tight but not too tight.

Something that will showcase your shoulders, traps, arms and overall frame, something that will capture your lats and showcase your taper.

Just not so tight that it looks like it’s physically hard to breath or the shirt will rip lol.

There’s a ton of resources on clothing for men on reddit (lol) and youtube. Just gotta look around, but honestly I think simple is best. Don’t try to overdo it.

Most girls appreciate a decent bit of effort because
the bar is so low, like most guys in college are out in baggy hoodies and shorts (at least in NA where I am).

So a nicely fitted shirt with good pants and shoes to match is a great start to showcasing your physique and confidence.

 

[ReadBooksEveryday]

They are, just not to yours

 

[Broski]

They are, just not to yours

so what body do you need curry muncher

 

[Blackgymmax]

All im saying is that it saved me from being truecel

 

[Deleted member 22705]

Even a great body does nothing if you are sub LTN tier.

 

[Chinacurry]

Jfl women will do anything for a guy who is anabolic body like marvel superhero, don't kid urself

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

body is percieved as good as how males percieve a female body. Below are the ideal/perfect body type for men to attract nearly all women

 

[Lonely]

Jfl women will do anything for a guy who is anabolic body like marvel superhero, don't kid urself

That's insane if true seeing as how it's not that hard to achieve

 

[Deleted member 1332]

body is percieved as good as how males percieve a female body. Below are the ideal/perfect body type for men to attract nearly all women
View attachment 1919622

I think the ideal body type for men to have to attract nearly all women is to just be 6'2, lol.

Muscles almost always help, and everyone should build their body - but at the end of the day, the traits you cannot change and pass onto your children are the qualities that hold the most value.

A 5'5 guy with any one of these physiques would still be far from attractive to most women. Women DO see body the way we do, but mostly in terms of height, which makes muscle look insignificant by comparison in terms of value. Just my subjective opinion from my personal experience

 

[Broski]

I think the ideal body type for men to have to attract nearly all women is to just be 6'2, lol.

Muscles almost always help, and everyone should build their body - but at the end of the day, the traits you cannot change and pass onto your children are the qualities that hold the most value.

A 5'5 guy with any one of these physiques would still be far from attractive to most women. Women DO value body the way we do, but mostly in terms of height, which makes muscle look insignificant in comparison. Just my subjective opinion from my personal experience

It's interesting because I'd rather a woman with a better frame but poorer fat distribution than the other way round, I thought it would be the same like they prefer an aesthetic 5'10 physique over a 6'2 crappy muscle and frame physique.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

I think the ideal body type for men to have to attract nearly all women is to just be 6'2, lol.

Muscles almost always help, and everyone should build their body - but at the end of the day, the traits you cannot change and pass onto your children are the qualities that hold the most value.

A 5'5 guy with any one of these physiques would still be far from attractive to most women. Women DO see body the way we do, but mostly in terms of height, which makes muscle look insignificant by comparison in terms of value. Just my subjective opinion from my personal experience

height is different to body. average genetics can achieve the physique's i showed in 3 year's natty training

 

[Deleted member 1332]

It's interesting because I'd rather a female with a shittier frame but better fat distribution than the other way round, I thought it would be the same like they prefer an aesthetic 5'10 physique over a 6'2 crappy muscle and frame physique.

I see your point, and where you're coming from.

That said, you have to imagine that a 6'2 guy will just always have a more commanding presence than any 5'10 guy, unless the 6'2 guy is facially deformed and the 5'10 guy is pushing into chad-lite territory.

I've said it on here before, but despite the already high value blackpill attributes to height, it is still incredibly underrated.
There's no physical feature that will get you chad treatment besides literally having a chad face or HEIGHT. Muscles gets men a fraction of attention respect in comparison to the natural respect most tall men receive effortlessly throughout their life. When a 6'2 guy is walking anywhere, people get out of their way, and that's the simplest display of this.

Not talking about you specifically, but I think a lot of people here haven't had a lot of tall friends, or they'd realize that even a normie who's 6'2 gets treated like a chadlite in club and bar settings.
If you're 6'2 / 6'3 and have a good face you literally don't have to set foot in a gym and will have more options than 99% of the male population. It's not an excuse to do nothing, or not go to the gym, but men need to stop looking at everything with the male gaze and stop acting like it's the early 2000's where Zyzz could slay every girl at the club just based on his body.

Anyone can develop a gym body. There's a small, small fraction of men who are 6'2 and above. Therein lies the value

 

[Deleted member 1332]

height is different to body. average genetics can achieve the physique's i showed in 3 year's natty training

Exactly! And that's also exactly why height is so much more valuable. Like I said -

Anyone can develop a good physique. Barely any men can be 6'2.

Not saying muscles are worthless. Just contributing to the thread that women DO in the fact value body, they just don't value muscles the way we do. The way men value big ass and big tits is the same way women value height.

This thread is just an example of how many people (not necessarily you) are clueless to female gaze, and can't look at even basic topics with anything but the male gaze.

 

[Broski]

I see your point, and where you're coming from.

That said, you have to imagine that a 6'2 guy will just always have a more commanding presence than any 5'10 guy, unless the 6'2 guy is facially deformed and the 5'10 guy is pushing into chad-lite territory.

I've said it on here before, but despite the already high value blackpill attributes to height, it is still incredibly underrated.
There's no physical feature that will get you chad treatment besides literally having a chad face or HEIGHT. Muscles gets men a fraction of respect in comparison to the natural respect most tall me get.

Not talking about you specifically, but I think a lot of people here haven't had a lot of tall friends, or they'd realize that even a normie who's 6'2 gets treated like a chadlite in club and bar settings.
If you're 6'2 / 6'3 and have a good face you literally don't have to set foot in a gym and will have more options than 99% of the male population. It's not an excuse to do nothing, or not go to the gym, but men need to stop looking at everything with the male gaze and stop acting like it's the early 2000's where Zyzz could slay every girl at the club just based on his body.

Anyone can develop a gym body. There's a small, small fraction of men who are 6'2 and above.

Hmm I always saw height as like a cut off like pass/fail (not like 6ft = good, 6'2 = better etc). I imagined girls just think "cool he's not short (whatever is considered short in their eyes), meaning height just increases your options (but not necessarily the quality of options). I imagined once you pass the height threshold then they care about looks, body, leaness etc

 

[Broski]

body is percieved as good as how males percieve a female body. Below are the ideal/perfect body type for men to attract nearly all women
View attachment 1919622

Are these physiques natty l?

 

[Deleted member 1332]

Hmm I always saw height as like a cut off like pass/fail (not like 6ft = good, 6'2 = better etc). I imagined girls just think "cool he's not short (whatever is considered short in their eyes), meaning height just increases your options (but not necessarily the quality of options). I imagined once you pass the height threshold then they care about looks, body, leaness etc

You're almost spot on to what I believe myself.

Obviously we can't be inside the head of a women for a day, but you have to imagine that while 6' is good and 6'2 is better, 6'2 isn't just 'better', it is exponentially better. It's only at like 6'4 where you start to get diminishing returns for each inch.

To explain the way I feel about it, the way men see big tits and big ass, is the way women see height.

Often, men cope subconsciously, thinking that the way we see big tits and big ass is the way women see MUSCLE, which may have been the case 10 to 20 years ago, but certainly isn't the case now. Like I said, I firmly believe a socially active 6'2 guy with a good face and bf % will have more options than 99% of men without ever having to set foot in a gym.

And again, this isn't a good excuse to not pursue a 10/10 physique, but it is certainly a reminder for people here to tailor their expectations as to the benefits of building muscle.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Exactly! And that's also exactly why height is so much more valuable. Like I said -

Anyone can develop a good physique. Barely any men can be 6'2.

Not saying muscles are worthless. Just contributing to the thread that women DO in the fact value body, they just don't value muscles the way we do. The way men value big ass and big tits is the same way women value height.

This thread is just an example of how many people (not necessarily you) are clueless to female gaze, and can't look at even basic topics with anything but the male gaze.

Height is a extremely sexual dimorphic trait which is why it's valued as highest or just as high as a attractive male looking face. you could say that girl's view height as like ass. Body is much more attainable ONLY with average genetic's and girl's are not just attracted to muscle's but skeleton size and frame because that is a sexual dimorphic trait between male's and female's the difference in size and strength.

No one can develop a good physique...even average genetic's can only give you a above average body.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Are these physiques natty l?

half are natty and half aren't guess them

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Hmm I always saw height as like a cut off like pass/fail (not like 6ft = good, 6'2 = better etc). I imagined girls just think "cool he's not short (whatever is considered short in their eyes), meaning height just increases your options (but not necessarily the quality of options). I imagined once you pass the height threshold then they care about looks, body, leaness etc

Height is not a cutoff. Height will alway's be better with more and more. Even if you are 6"0 with a attractive face you will alway's be better 7"0 with that attractive face.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

You're almost spot on to what I believe myself.

Obviously we can't be inside the head of a women for a day, but you have to imagine that while 6' is good and 6'2 is better, 6'2 isn't just 'better', it is exponentially better. It's only at like 6'4 where you start to get diminishing returns for each inch.

To explain the way I feel about it, the way men see big tits and big ass, is the way women see height.

Often, men cope subconsciously, thinking that the way we see big tits and big ass is the way women see MUSCLE, which may have been the case 10 to 20 years ago, but certainly isn't the case now. Like I said, I firmly believe a socially active 6'2 guy with a good face and bf % will have more options than 99% of men without ever having to set foot in a gym.

And again, this isn't a good excuse to not pursue a 10/10 physique, but it is certainly a reminder for people here to tailor their expectations as to the benefits of building muscle.

height ONLY has diminishing return's after 6"5 IF you do not have the porportion's .

 

[Deleted member 1332]

Height is a extremely sexual dimorphic trait which is why it's valued as highest or just as high as a attractive male looking face. you could say that girl's view height as like ass. Body is much more attainable ONLY with average genetic's and girl's are not just attracted to muscle's but skeleton size and frame because that is a sexual dimorphic trait between male's and female's the difference in size and strength.

No one can develop a good physique...even average genetic's can only give you a above average body. View attachment 1919651

I think we share nearly the same views, except for the last one.

I'm a stout believer that even people with the worst genetics can develop near 10/10 physiques, we just don't see it often because these are the same people who either 1) recognize that even a dramatic change in their muscle mass isn't going to adequately improve their dating life to reasonable level, or 2) simply don't have the willpower / discipline / motivation to actually go and do it.

 

[WanderingBurro]

A good body means being 6+ feet and having wide ass clavicles. It doesn't mean a gym-maxxed potato headed manlet

 

[Deleted member 1332]

height ONLY has diminishing return's after 6"5 IF you do not have the porportion's .

Agree but would argue that majority of people who are 6'5 and above usually do actually have whacky proportions. Still better than being average height tho as I'm sure you would obviously agree

 

[Deleted member 1332]

A good body means being 6+ feet and having wide ass clavicles. It doesn't mean a gym-maxxed potato headed manlet

/thread

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

I think we share nearly the same views, except for the last one.

I'm a stout believer that even people with the worst genetics can develop near 10/10 physiques, we just don't see it often because these are the same people who either 1) recognize that even a dramatic change in their muscle mass isn't going to adequately improve their dating life to reasonable level, or 2) simply don't have the willpower / discipline / motivation to actually go and do it.

Having a 10/10 physique would mean you have the perfect 40/40 muscle insertion's, Joint size, Tendon size, Clavicle width and shape, Scapula are high set, Small narrow hip's, A visible adonis belt, symmetry, Large spread out ribcage, long leg's and short torso, muscle desnity and fluid retention, leaness and metoblaic rate,skeletal size (how big your bone's are) eg.wrist size

all of these you cannot physically change beside;s muscle mass

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

A good body means being 6+ feet and having wide ass clavicles. It doesn't mean a gym-maxxed potato headed manlet

 

[loksr]

shit face good bod = mog

No
Okay face good bod = mog
You cannot compensate for a shit face, don’t cope

 

[Deleted member 1332]

Having a 10/10 physique would mean you have the perfect 40/40 muscle insertion's, Joint size, Tendon size, Clavicle width and shape, Scapula are high set, Small narrow hip's, A visible adonis belt, symmetry, Large spread out ribcage, long leg's and short torso, muscle desnity and fluid retention, leaness and metoblaic rate,skeletal size (how big your bone's are) eg.wrist size

all of these you cannot physically change beside;s muscle mass

Great point, I concede that not ALL men can develop a 10/10 physique, however I would still say the vast, vast majority of men can develop something very close - close enough that it would still elicit nearly the same response & effect that a 10/10 physique would, as I also believe physique gains have severely diminishing returns (maybe you don't agree and I'd be happy to hear why).

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Great point, I concede that not ALL men can develop a 10/10 physique, however I would still say the vast, vast majority of men can develop something very close - close enough that it would still elicit nearly the same response & effect that a 10/10 physique would, as I also believe physique gains have severely diminishing returns (maybe you don't agree and I'd be happy to hear why).

you don't need a 10/10 physique for women. A 6/10 physique is already good for women since they biologically care and are much significantly attracted to face and height more since we human's evolved to hairless being's (except for our head of hair) so that our face's show different sexual dimorphism which is a mating genetic quality to women. Height being the skeletal size difference since every other stat is increased in size since height is the no.1 indicator of size on average.

 

[Deleted member 1332]

you don't need a 10/10 physique for women. A 6/10 physique is already good for women since they biologically care and are much significantly attracted to face and height more since we human's evolved to hairless being's (except for our head of hair) so that our face's show different sexual dimorphism which is a mating genetic quality to women. Height being the skeletal size difference since every other stat is increased in size since height is the no.1 indicator of size on average.

Yeah, couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

its because men will fuck anything with a hole

 

[Orc]

body is percieved as good as how males percieve a female body. Below are the ideal/perfect body type for men to attract nearly all women
View attachment 1919622

just have no lats theory.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

just have no lats theory.

just do pullups theory

 

[Orc]

just do pullups theory

here some better examples.

and for my african brothers out there.

 

[tehVigilante]

Dont listen to the retarded advice from this forum. I just lost a potential lay because this girl was heavy on body, she was hooked to my face and started messaging first etc but then she askef or a shirtless pic and im like lean but small so she imediatly lost interest. Good size and leanness are critical to slay.

 

[Deleted member 20581]

Height and face matter far more than the body.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

I think its a myth that women arent attracted to mens bodies.

I think its more that body for men is a lot to do with frame and height rather than simply muscle and also that women have INSANELY high standards for male bodies so literally anythign that isnt roided with top tier insertions doesnt really get much of a reaction from them

 

[BucketCrab]

Females definitely are interested in male bodies, but a male's body only comes into play when his face is attractive enough, and when his face is really attractive his body is definitely not as important. Not to mention the things they are most attracted to are very hard to change (shoulder width, height). As always, there are outliers who are more into a man's body than his face, but these are very few.

That doesn't mean working out is useless though. Although the benefits won't be as radical as most guys assume, a good body still makes you a lot more attractive.

 

[Deleted member 17429]

 

[Sapieeen]

Surely a good looking body can compensate a Normie face. Like if a girl is bland looking but has an amazing body, that is enough for me. But why would they not be as attracted to a good male body, why is face so important?

-good women's body= more ovules.
-good male's face= good genetics that worth spending 9 months pregnant and breastfeeding.......

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

holes will be attracted to whatever is perceived rare or unobtainable or innate. if you got something through hard work they'll loathe you for it

 

[max_frisch]

1. study
Facial attractiveness contributes more to overall attractiveness than body, particularly in men

It was found that facial attractiveness was a far more significant predictor of overall physical attractiveness then bodily attractiveness, for both sexes. Bodily attractiveness however, was also significant contributor to overall attractiveness for both sexes, with it being relatively more important compared to facial attractiveness for men evaluating the short-term attractiveness of women as compared to the long-term condition. The researchers found there was no such moderating effect of mating context in regards to women's evaluations of male attractiveness.

2. study

Facial attractiveness is more important than body because a face can't easily be changed​

The reasons they suggest for the greater value of an attractive face are that facial structure better provides cues of genetic fitness, sexual dimorphism, and health. While a body may be changed easily with diet and exercise modification, a face cannot so easily be changed. This provides the paradox of "self improvement" whereby the things that matter most are the things one can "self improve" the least.

Scientific Blackpill

The Scientific Blackpill is about understanding the nature of human social and sexual behavior with a particular focus on evolutionary psychological perspectives...

incels.wiki

 

[tehVigilante]

Females definitely are interested in male bodies, but a male's body only comes into play when his face is attractive enough, and when his face is really attractive his body is definitely not as important. Not to mention the things they are most attracted to are very hard to change (shoulder width, height). As always, there are outliers who are more into a man's body than his face, but these are very few.

That doesn't mean working out is useless though. Although the benefits won't be as radical as most guys assume, a good body still makes you a lot more attractive.

You get it man. For guys in that 5-7 range body is extremely important. It becomes rly less important when ur face is so good and it doesn't matter when ur legit ugly.