Why are you still not muslim?

[Deleted member 3328]

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Too bad I'm in Bavaria, the most Catholic state in western Europe.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

because god/allah does not exist

No

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

No

cope

 

[Deleted member 10987]

cope

Atheist Cope

 

[lutte]

There were assholes in the war apparnetly

Idk too much about the conflict in itself tbh
War shouldn’t have anything to do with religion its just a pretext in that case anyway

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Atheist Cope

more plausible god does not exist than he exist since there's no proof he ever existed

 

[Deleted member 10987]

more plausible god does not exist than he exist since there's no proof he ever existed

Thats the whole idea of faith retard

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Thats the whole idea of faith retard

faith is retarded like you
i believe in unicorns

 

[Deleted member 10987]

faith is retarded like you
i believe in unicorns

Terrible childish argument
Why would be the logic to believe in unicorns and also why

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Terrible childish argument
Why would be the logic to believe in unicorns and also why

idk a book told me

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

more plausible god does not exist than he exist since there's no proof he ever existed

It depends on what proof you want and what is your criteria.

If your criteria for proof is for you to see The Creator face to face, then, by that same criteria, i can't even prove you that i am conscious or that Mathematics or Language exists.

If the criteria is some men known as Prophets and Messengers claiming to have been sended from The Creator and then uttering things outside of their space and time, then yes, that is fulfilled.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

It depends on what proof you want and what is your criteria.

If your criteria for proof is for you to see The Creator face to face, then, by that same criteria, i can't even prove you that i am conscious or that Mathematics or Language exists.

If the criteria is some men known as Prophets and Messengers claiming to have been sended from The Creator and then uttering things outside of their space and time, then yes, that is fulfilled.

You more knowledgable than me in this subject

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

You more knowledgable than me in this subject

Not that much, i'm still learning a lot

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Not that much, i'm still learning a lot

Compared to me yes

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Compared to me yes

Say 'Rabi zidni ilma' (Lord increase me in knowledge) and follow the advise of the Messenger of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) according to many narrations: "Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim."

"Whoever goes out seeking knowledge is in the way of Allah until he returns."

"It is not befitting for anyone with knowledge to give up learning."

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Say 'Rabi zidni ilma' (Lord increase me in knowledge) and follow the advise of the Messenger of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) according to many narrations: "Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim."

"Whoever goes out seeking knowledge is in the way of Allah until he returns."

"It is not befitting for anyone with knowledge to give up learning."

Based

 

[animo123]

Why did allah only make himself known 1400 years ago?

we muslims believe the early jews and christians were also muslims
they all worshipped on god and thats all
no trinity stuff

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

we muslims believe the early jews and christians were also muslims
they all worshipped on god and thats all
no trinity stuff

Yesterday i learned that Newton, which is a scientist which christians usually climb up to because of his belief in God rejected the idea of the trinity and became a unitarian, and also rejected the idea of Jesus (alayhi a salam) being God.

I think he even had good things to say about Islam, but this last one i still need to research more on it.

 

[animo123]

idk a book told me

infinite regress disagrees with you
an uncreated creator must exist otherwise we would never get to this point of having this convo

 

[animo123]

Yesterday i learned that Newton, which is a scientist which christians usually climb up to because of his belief in God rejected both the ideas of Trinity and became a unitarian, and also rejected the idea of Jesus (alayhi a salam) being God.

I think he even had good things to say about Islam, but this last one i still need to research more on it.

darwin as well became a deist towards the end of his life

 

[Deleted member 10913]

more plausible god does not exist than he exist since there's no proof he ever existed

kalam cosmological argument. The argument, in its simplest form, is that (i) Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence, (ii) The universe began to exist, and (iii) Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence

The “Argument from Contingency” examines how every being must be either necessary or contingent. Since not every being can be contingent, it follow that there must be a necessary being upon which all things depend. This being is God.

Most rational thing to do is accept God's existence. Putting this aside many studies back the claim that recognizing God is innate in human nature. Taking an atheist position would be unnatural, which it is imo

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

infinite regress disagrees with you
an uncreated creator must exist otherwise we would never get to this point of having this convo

why would that mean god
and by the way scientists have proved universe came to existence without god

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Most rational thing to do is accent God's existence. Putting this aside many studies back the claim that recognizing God is innate in human nature. Taking an atheist position would be unnatural, which it is imo

why would that mean god
and by the way scientists have proved universe came to existence without god

 

[TsarTsar444]

why would that mean god
and by the way scientists have proved universe came to existence without god

Uh no they didn't prove that what?

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

why would that mean god
and by the way scientists have proved universe came to existence without god

That information is false brother, no scientist will get wet when speaking about the origin of the universe.

The closest was when some decades ago they believed in the Stationary Space which meant that the universe was eternal (if the universe was eternal, it would not necessitate a Creator), after it was disproven the URSS tried desperately to hide it and disprove the new scientific achievements which werw that most probably the Universe had a beggining outside of it's own time and space.

 

[animo123]

why would that mean god
and by the way scientists have proved universe came to existence without god

no they havent lol
all they believe so far is it had a beginning
not to mention science is always subject to change so even if
they somehow believed the universe was eternal they couldnt ever say for sure

 

[TsarTsar444]

idk if ur trolling but u smoke drink and commit zina, if that is true you are munafiq repent asap retard

I don't drink, and are you talking about cigarettes? Tbh thats a minor sin at most, majority of musliks smoke ngl. It's extremely addicting

 

[Wallenberg]

The Quran contains very obvious miracles, so whats stopping you then?

Because I don't let fantasy books dictate my worldview.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Because I don't let fantasy books dictate my worldview.

But it has some scientific miricales, and literacy miracles that an illiterate man like the prophet couldn't have known by himself

 

[lutte]

There are a lot but the main one is that Catholics have a figurehead and authority while protestants (evangelicals) believe that Bible is supreme and that it is the only authority for Christianity.

Nowadays catholic church is really corrupts with endless scandals. Well it has always been, there's a reason why protestant reformation started here in Germany, with Luther in Wittenberg.

imo the extrabiblical tradition is very important but the catholic church is unjustified

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Because I don't let fantasy books dictate my worldview.

Meanwhile he spends his time playing fantasy videogames, reading Harry Potter and getting life lessons from it, believing that everything is because of randomness and chance including the fact that we have a nose upside our mouth to smell food and eyebrows to prevent sweat from reaching the eyes, that the universe is purposeless even tho every physical thing has a purpose for existing like the examples i have mentioned, that animals who have almost straight lines and patterns in their body are also a result of chance and randomness, and the last one which is that a 3 year old infant or a 80 year old grandma have the same value as a bacteria, since both are just matter and energy.

Come on Wallenberg, you are better than that.

 

[Wallenberg]

Meanwhile he spends his time playing fantasy videogames, reading Harry Potter and getting life lessons from it

I don't play fantasy video games, I haven't read any Harry Potter books nor watched any Harry Potter movies.

 

[lutte]

I don't play fantasy video games, I haven't read any Harry Potter books nor watched any Harry Potter movies.

But you play hoi4. Based

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Uh no they didn't prove that what?

Their admittedly controversial answer is that the entire universe, from the fireball of the Big Bang to the star-studded cosmos we now inhabit, popped into existence from nothing at all. It had to happen, they say, because "nothing" is inherently unstable.

This idea may sound bizarre, or just another fanciful creation story. But the physicists argue that it follows naturally from science's two most powerful and successful theories: quantum mechanics and general relativity.

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[StrangerDanger]

because its not convincing or else I would obviously be
its all up to faith

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

That information is false brother, no scientist will get wet when speaking about the origin of the universe.

The closest was when some decades ago they believed in the Stationary Space which meant that the universe was eternal (if the universe was eternal, it would not necessitate a Creator), after it was disproven the URSS tried desperately to hide it and disprove the new scientific achievements which werw that most probably the Universe had a beggining outside of it's own time and space.

no they havent lol
all they believe so far is it had a beginning
not to mention science is always subject to change so even if
they somehow believed the universe was eternal they couldnt ever say for sure

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[ThatDjangoWalk]

Look at the title bro, "Some physicists think"

If this was even a pseudo valid argument, then surely it would have been used without any shadow of a doubt in debates.

 

[animo123]

Their admittedly controversial answer is that the entire universe, from the fireball of the Big Bang to the star-studded cosmos we now inhabit, popped into existence from nothing at all. It had to happen, they say, because "nothing" is inherently unstable.

lol something cant come from nothing
nothing literally means the absence of any and everything

 

[animo123]

Look at the title bro, "Some physicists think"

If this was even a pseudo valid argument, then surely it would have been used without any shadow of a doubt in debates.

he wants to believe he came from nothing so bad so as to not be accountable for anything he does in this life

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Their admittedly controversial answer is that the entire universe, from the fireball of the Big Bang to the star-studded cosmos we now inhabit, popped into existence from nothing at all. It had to happen, they say, because "nothing" is inherently unstable.

lol something cant come from nothing
nothing literally means the absence of any and everything

 

[JosephGoebbels]

Just lol, islam is the original "Just trust me bro". Some guy says god whispered in his ear peculiar things and all the sand niggers around him believed him, proving how retarded they are. Christianity has it's logical fallacies but there have been many Saints that have spoke the word of the lord, some as soon as 3 decades ago in Mount Athos, Greece, who could tell a lot about a man without having met them before.

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Look at the title bro, "Some physicists think"

If this was even a pseudo valid argument, then surely it would have been used without any shadow of a doubt in debates.

yeah keep coping
it's based upon "science's two most powerful and successful theories: quantum mechanics and general relativity."

 

[animo123]

gr8 respone bro

 

[animo123]

Just lol, islam is the original "Just trust me bro". Some guy says god whispered in his ear peculiar things and all the sand niggers around him believed him, proving how retarded they are. Christianity has it's logical fallacies but there have been many Saints that have spoke the word of the lord, some as soon as 3 decades ago in Mount Athos, Greece, who could tell a lot about a man without having met them before.

i was gonna rebut what you said until you started speaking about saint of xtianity lol
You christians certainly have no legs to stand on when it comes to revelation

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

gr8 respone bro

i'm sure you know more than theoretical physicists from top universities of the world who spent their lifetime studying physics and the cosmos

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Just lol, islam is the original "Just trust me bro". Some guy says god whispered in his ear peculiar things and all the sand niggers around him believed him, proving how retarded they are. Christianity has it's logical fallacies but there have been many Saints that have spoke the word of the lord, some as soon as 3 decades ago in Mount Athos, Greece, who could tell a lot about a man without having met them before.

What saints? As far as we know, Paul, the man who made it a mission on himself to kill the early followers of Jesus (alayhi a salam) and then was rejected by Jesus disciples, hellenized christianity also to appeal the Romans is the one in which the entire christian faith is based upon. What kind of argument is that coming from a christian?

 

[sensen]

Because European.

I actually like Muslims a lot though. Always friendly people, and their enemy is my enemy.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

yeah keep coping
it's based upon "science's two most powerful and successful theories: quantum mechanics and general relativity."

If the top atheists of the world don't use that against religious people, then it has a reason. You know it and i know it. Stop making this like it is a Barcelona vs Madrid, you just want so hardly to win somehow.

 

[JosephGoebbels]

i was gonna rebut what you said until you started speaking about saint of xtianity lol
You christians certainly have no legs to stand on when it comes to revelation

You can't "rebut" it because it's truth. All sand nigger mohamed had to teach was grooming 6-year-olds, rape them 3 year later, kill non-believers and everyone that opposed him and finally inbreeding like there's no tomorrow. The quran speaks of rules to follow during your lifetime, like not drinking alcohol so you can drink it in the afterlife, contradicting itself. Sand niggers are worse than jews in their beliefs.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

idk if ur trolling but u smoke drink and commit zina, if that is true you are munafiq repent asap retard

Doesnt make him a munafiq retard