why atheists look so bad and dont mind if someone has sex with their wife?

[New Poster]

yes there is no atheistic background for european people. exactly you are right
they chose between christianity and paganism
thanks for clarifying my points

and there is no background for incels is the dominant culture, but here you are

 

[Giggling Elmo]

They hate god and the world. They are complete losers and see themselves that way, so they cope with nihilism and defeatism.

they are still christians . the same with gay people that worship Christ , both are in same boat . probably will go to hell

atheism is a weak form of religiousness , a man dont have choice of religion . his moral ethical background is formed by the surroudnings of him where he grew up

 

[optimisticzoomer]

You believe the universe came out of nothing muh big bang
I have seen ur posts ur one of the most retarded users on here now I see why

Yet you're retarded enough to actually believe in any bullshit

You do realise humans never have been and never will be capable of explaining the origins of the universe? With scientific understanding, we have evidence of potential scenarios, which is far more than the story books u believe and take as evidence

2000 years from now harry potter could be taken as fact by the likes of you

So never, as a religious NPC, call me or any of your superiors retarded

 

[Giggling Elmo]

and there is no background for incels is the dominant culture, but here you are

again atheist going for buzzword. nice , nice

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Yet you're retarded enough to actually believe in any bullshit

You do realise humans never have been and never will be capable of explaining the origins of the universe? With scientific understanding, we have evidence of potential scenarios, which is far more than the story books u believe and take as evidence

2000 years from now harry potter could be taken as fact by the likes of you

So never, as a religious NPC, call me or any of your superiors retarded

what is your moral ethical background . prove to me it is atheist. you cant . you just having protest of a little child, same as satanists in the 80s

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Because it is patrician taste

it is not anymore , for sure

 

[AustrianMogger]

i would date a porn star, no problem. like sasha gray is my dream gf. but i wouldnt want to sit on chair and watch her getting railed by another guy


while most atheists have no problem with that. they also make soy faces and have the most degen , liberal beliefs on life

the amount of braincells i lost while reading this is more than i lost last time i got black out drunk

 

[noodlelover]

Believing in god is fucking stupid.

It's an arbitrary random belief. Like believing the moon is made of cheese. Unless you have good reason to believe the moon is made of cheese, then it's a stupid belief to have.

There's no good reason to believe god exists.

 

[Giggling Elmo]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur gtfih

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Believing in god is fucking stupid.

It's an arbitrary random belief. Like believing the moon is made of cheese. Unless you have good reason to believe the moon is made of cheese, then it's a stupid belief to have.

There's no good reason to believe god exists.

good moral stand point for abused dogs with no ancestors and traditions . you dont have atheist moral and ethical background

you are not atheist , even if you dont believe in god

 

[optimisticzoomer]

you keep saying same shit dude? ok i will copy the same text i posted before : If god exists, there will be no evidence to prove that he does not exist. If god does not exist, there will be no evidence that god does not exist, too. So asking for evidence for the non-existence of god does not make any sense

just imagine muslim countries without islam , israel without judaism, russian empire without christianity. ITS reality that you have to deal with , it is the fundament of a nation based on its tradition and based on that society operates. Atheism is not possible and most high iq atheists ( very few on earth) admit that society needs religon

last time they mocked religion and called its opium for people it didnt work at all( communism)

you have to deal with that. modern russians are orthodox, indians are hinduists, europeans are christians . ITS the reality

atheism doesnt offer anything to society. tell me what it offers besides tellign me that you want to live degenerate life and you dont beleive in god because you never seen him


I have not used buzzwords for you , so stop insulting me and have respectful conversation and dont fall for estrogenic emotions

Because you keep saying the same shit.

Just because you can't prove something is wrong, doesn't make it right. And in order to believe anything, one must have evidence, otherwise they're a fool. This is true of most beliefs by rational people, yet religion seems to get a pass

My nigga, you're confused on what religion is.

Religion = "the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship:" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/religion

I probably share more in common with atheists from the middle east than I do Christians in traditionally Christian countries, so stop this bs. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing, you're "argument" has zero substance to it, and is just your opinion, which doesn't even follow definitions

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Believing in god is fucking stupid.

It's an arbitrary random belief. Like believing the moon is made of cheese. Unless you have good reason to believe the moon is made of cheese, then it's a stupid belief to have.

There's no good reason to believe god exists.

Thank you

 

[optimisticzoomer]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur gtfih

Tagging a confused NPC who went from Christianity to islam for backup

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Because you keep saying the same shit.

Just because you can't prove something is wrong, doesn't make it right. And in order to believe anything, one must have evidence, otherwise they're a fool. This is true of most beliefs by rational people, yet religion seems to get a pass

My nigga, you're confused on what religion is.

Religion = "the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship:" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/religion

I probably share more in common with atheists from the middle east than I do Christians in traditionally Christian countries, so stop this bs. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing, you're "argument" has zero substance to it, and is just your opinion, which doesn't even follow definitions

If god exists, there will be no evidence to prove that he does not exist. If god does not exist, there will be no evidence that god does not exist, too. So asking for evidence for the non-existence of god does not make any sense


any other counter argument?

all hollywood , all music, all art, everything that surrounds you is based on christianity. how are you atheist?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

what is your moral ethical background . prove to me it is atheist. you cant . you just having protest of a little child, same as satanists in the 80s

Your greatest mistake was confusing "morals" with religion

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Tagging a confused NPC who went from Christianity to islam for backup

im interested in his opinion . what is your problem? i rather have him pick up my points than you who keep saying same stuff and havent read a book

he is against me all the times in the arguments ever since i joined

 

[noodlelover]

good moral stand point for abused dogs with no ancestors and traditions . you dont have atheist moral and ethical background

I was raised Christian.

you are not atheist , even if you dont believe in god

Ok thank you. I don't call myself an atheist.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Yet you're retarded enough to actually believe in any bullshit

You do realise humans never have been and never will be capable of explaining the origins of the universe? With scientific understanding, we have evidence of potential scenarios, which is far more than the story books u believe and take as evidence

2000 years from now harry potter could be taken as fact by the likes of you

So never, as a religious NPC, call me or any of your superiors retarded

To say we can’t explain it ever in and of itself is a universal quantifier shift fallacy. You don’t have unparalleled all knowing knowledge so you cannot make that statment

Therefore we must use our brains explain why immaterial invariant things that don’t subscribe to the natural law and materialism exist such as mathematics identity over time, the self, logic etc and your materialistic worldview is reductionist and has no way of justifying the existence of these thing whilst the theistic worldview does therefore my worldview is ultimately more justifiable, consistent and holistic whereas yours can only answer one question and shrug at everything else assuming all data must come from empirical sense data observation which once again is an universal quantifier shift fallacy Gaytheidts
Love to use metaphysics that they deny it’s quite funny.

Believing in god is fucking stupid.

It's an arbitrary random belief. Like believing the moon is made of cheese. Unless you have good reason to believe the moon is made of cheese, then it's a stupid belief to have.

There's no good reason to believe god exists.

There’s many good reasons to believe in god if you don’t know the good reasons then fine just say you don’t but not believing in god bust still accepting things such as mathematics logic the self identity over time etc as existing is just ludicrous you can’t even explain epistemology and metaphysics as well as truth claims as a Gaytheist yet you idiots are the ones barking the loudest. Cringe

they are still christians . the same with gay people that worship Christ , both are in same boat . probably will go to hell

atheism is a weak form of religiousness , a man dont have choice of religion . his moral ethical background is formed by the surroudnings of him where he grew up

Your a pagan your beliefs are not much better than atheists you believe in a chaotic paradigm that leaves the same questions unanswered where does knowledge come from and what it is where does truth come from and what it is and why your gods over some random god in the Amazon or Congo. You pagans can’t answer that which means like gaytheists you cannot justify anything

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Your greatest mistake was confusing "morals" with religion

jesus christ, oh my fucking god . is there even a point on wasting my time on a child....

all religions provide a moral framework on how society should operate

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Tagging a confused NPC who went from Christianity to islam for backup

Proof idiots here just read thread titles and don’t actually read what the threads about I never converted to Islam you idiot. I was mocking Islam when I made that thread that was abundantly clear to anybody that read the body of the text I made instead of just reading the “Title” Idiot

Yes I’m Christian, next time read threads Instead of the titles

 

[optimisticzoomer]

If god exists, there will be no evidence to prove that he does not exist. If god does not exist, there will be no evidence that god does not exist, too. So asking for evidence for the non-existence of god does not make any sense

And I'm the one saying the same shit?

I asked for evidence, not proof. The evidence against Christian beliefs is modern science, and the fact those stories in the bible are impossible

For the last time, you shouldn't just believe in something without evidence, you airhead. I wouldn't believe someone if they said they were a wizard, due to a lack of evidence. Believing in something blindly is truly retarded, especially in an era where we have alternative explanations

 

[Giggling Elmo]

And I'm the one saying the same shit?

I asked for evidence, not proof. The evidence against Christian beliefs is modern science, and the fact those stories in the bible are impossible

Science did not disprove bible , and does not disprove Christianity whatsoever. Can you be more specific? : )

For the last time, you shouldn't just believe in something without evidence, you airhead. I wouldn't believe someone if they said they were a wizard, due to a lack of evidence. Believing in something blindly is truly retarded, especially in an era where we have alternative explanations

Evidence is my blood. My ancestors and my traditions, which are yours too but you reject them because you have a protest of little child who is not loved by his parents or society. If we redefine the humanity and go away from religion , we need a solid reason .

 

[optimisticzoomer]

jesus christ, oh my fucking god . is there even a point on wasting my time on a child....

all religions provide a moral framework on how society should operate

Wow, good for them. Totally irrelevant though. I'm not wasting time on you anymore, fuck me

 

[moredatesmorerapes]

[IMG alt="optimisticzoomer"]https://looksmax.org/data/avatars/l/7/7354.jpg?1727304111[/IMG]

optimisticzoomer​

Salutations my children​

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Wow, good for them. Totally irrelevant though. I'm not wasting time on you anymore, fuck me

yes fuck you. you are christian still.
maybe you will choose satanism , paganism or whatever you like. for sure you wont lean on dawkins or some other cringe shit

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Science did not disprove bible , and does not disprove Christianity whatsoever. Can you be more specific? : )

Evidence is my blood. My ancestors and my traditions, which are yours too but you reject them because you have a protest of little child who is not loved by his parents or society. If we redefine the humanity and go away from religion , we need a solid reason .

Moron
Religion is completely new in the grand scheme of humanity

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Moron
Religion is completely new in the grand scheme of humanity

Organized religion traces its roots to the Neolithic Revolution that began 11,000 years ago in the Near East but may have occurred independently in several other locations around the world. The invention of agriculture transformed many human societies from a hunter-gatherer lifestyle to a sedentary lifestyle.

 

[Giggling Elmo]

Proof idiots here just read thread titles and don’t actually read what the threads about I never converted to Islam you idiot. I was mocking Islam when I made that thread that was abundantly clear to anybody that read the body of the text I made instead of just reading the “Title” Idiot

Yes I’m Christian, next time read threads Instead of the titles

he has a protest of a little child mindset .

 

[optimisticzoomer]

To say we can’t explain it ever in and of itself is a universal quantifier shift fallacy. You don’t have unparalleled all knowing knowledge so you cannot make that statment

Therefore we must use our brains explain why immaterial invariant things that don’t subscribe to the natural law and materialism exist such as mathematics identity over time, the self, logic etc and your materialistic worldview is reductionist and has no way of justifying the existence of these thing whilst the theistic worldview does therefore my worldview is ultimately more justifiable, consistent and holistic whereas yours can only answer one question and shrug at everything else assuming all data must come from empirical sense data observation which once again is an universal quantifier shift fallacy Gaytheidts
Love to use metaphysics that they deny it’s quite funny.



There’s many good reasons to believe in god if you don’t know the good reasons then fine just say you don’t but not believing in god bust still accepting things such as mathematics logic the self identity over time etc as existing is just ludicrous you can’t even explain epistemology and metaphysics as well as truth claims as a Gaytheist yet you idiots are the ones barking the loudest. Cringe

Your a pagan your beliefs are not much better than atheists you believe in a chaotic paradigm that leaves the same questions unanswered where does knowledge come from and what it is where does truth come from and what it is and why your gods over some random god in the Amazon or Congo. You pagans can’t answer that which means like gaytheists you cannot justify anything

A wall of text just to say that you believe in magic and a storybook written by ethnics who had no scientific understanding

Fucking hell. What a tragic, tragic way to spend my time

 

[Giggling Elmo]

To say we can’t explain it ever in and of itself is a universal quantifier shift fallacy. You don’t have unparalleled all knowing knowledge so you cannot make that statment

Therefore we must use our brains explain why immaterial invariant things that don’t subscribe to the natural law and materialism exist such as mathematics identity over time, the self, logic etc and your materialistic worldview is reductionist and has no way of justifying the existence of these thing whilst the theistic worldview does therefore my worldview is ultimately more justifiable, consistent and holistic whereas yours can only answer one question and shrug at everything else assuming all data must come from empirical sense data observation which once again is an universal quantifier shift fallacy Gaytheidts
Love to use metaphysics that they deny it’s quite funny.



There’s many good reasons to believe in god if you don’t know the good reasons then fine just say you don’t but not believing in god bust still accepting things such as mathematics logic the self identity over time etc as existing is just ludicrous you can’t even explain epistemology and metaphysics as well as truth claims as a Gaytheist yet you idiots are the ones barking the loudest. Cringe

Your a pagan your beliefs are not much better than atheists you believe in a chaotic paradigm that leaves the same questions unanswered where does knowledge come from and what it is where does truth come from and what it is and why your gods over some random god in the Amazon or Congo. You pagans can’t answer that which means like gaytheists you cannot justify anything

i am not pagan. im christian that thinks about converting to paganism . can you understand that?

 

[AustrianMogger]

i am not pagan. im christian that thinks about converting to paganism . can you understand that?

what gods would you worship as a pagan?

 

[Giggling Elmo]

A wall of text just to say that you believe in magic and a storybook written by ethnics who had no scientific understanding

Fucking hell. What a tragic, tragic, way to spend my time

@PrinceLuenLeoncur wow bro .you just mogged him so bad he had to go for so low

you are good tbh, i will argue with you more to get more knowledge . dont get mad at me , buddy

i like to learn from more educated people

 

[XxW33dSm0k3rxX]

praise the lord hallelujah

 

[noodlelover]

There’s many good reasons to believe in god if you don’t know the good reasons then fine just say you don’t but not believing in god bust still accepting things such as mathematics logic the self identity over time etc as existing is just ludicrous you can’t even explain epistemology and metaphysics as well as truth claims as a Gaytheist yet you idiots are the ones barking the loudest. Cringe

Epistemology

Epistemology is theories of knowledge. It has nothing to do with "god".

Metaphysics

Metaphysics is the study of general features of reality such as existence. Again it has nothing to do with "god".

God of the Gaps

Your "evidence" of god falls under the cognitive bias known as "god of the gaps". It's when religious people clinging to their beliefs desperately look for something that science hasn't yet found an elegant solution for, so that they can claim "god did it".

We don't know what causes rain, "god causes rain". We understand the weather now, "Ok well then maybe rain is physics but god creates plants and animals". We understand that, then the "god of the gaps" people will shove god into the smaller and smaller gaps in scientific knowledge, so they can claim their god has in fact, done something.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

A wall of text just to say that you believe in magic and a storybook written by ethnics who had no scientific understanding

Fucking hell. What a tragic, tragic, way to spend my time

All of that to say “I lack the cognitive ability and expertise to dismantle your arguments so I resort to ad hominems”

Go on justify Ethics, justify time over identity, justify Truth.

I’m waiting for you to fuck up and say they are accidents of the brain go on I’m waiting for you to fall into my trap

 

[Giggling Elmo]

All of that to say “I lack the cognitive ability and expertise to dismantle your arguments so I resort to ad hominems”

Go on justify Ethics, justify time over identity, justify Truth.

I’m waiting for you to fuck up and say they are accidents of the brain go on I’m waiting for you to fall into my trap

bro that was a brutal mog


@moodless come here and rate the iq mog. princeluenleoncur just dismanlted that childish faggot

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Epistemology

Epistemology is theories of knowledge. It has nothing to do with "god".

Metaphysics

Metaphysics is the study of general features of reality such as existence. Again it has nothing to do with "god".

God of the Gaps

Your "evidence" of god falls under the cognitive bias known as "god of the gaps". It's when religious people clinging to their beliefs desperately look for something that science hasn't yet found an elegant solution for, so that they can claim "god did it".

We don't know what causes rain, "god causes rain". We understand the weather now, "Ok well then maybe rain is physics but god creates plants and animals". We understand that, then the "god of the gaps" people will shove god into the smaller and smaller gaps in scientific knowledge, so they can claim their god has in fact, done something.

Where does “knowledge” come from and what is it?

Knodkge is the endeavour or finding truth and falsehood and understanding using rationality which implies logic. neither of which cannot Be justified in tha Gaytheistic paradise what is it grounded in? Can you make an account for it? We cannot see epistemology truth or logic in a microscope but we know they exist so WHERE? What grounds it

You can’t say it grounds itself either that’s Circular and a fallacy in philosophy just a heads up

Gods of the gaps argument doesn’t work here as I’m not arguing for some generic god in arguing that transidentals require an higher personalised mind to be grounded within because they cannot be grounded within the natural law and materialism. Nice try though you tried but fell for the trap as all Gaythwists do

 

[optimisticzoomer]

All of that to say “I lack the cognitive ability and expertise to dismantle your arguments so I resort to ad hominems”

Go on justify Ethics, justify time over identity, justify Truth.

I’m waiting for you to fuck up and say they are accidents of the brain go on I’m waiting for you to fall into my trap

Define ethics
Other animals have ethics, early humans had ethics, totally unrelated to your disgusting religions. Your "trap" was remarkably easy to avoid, despite you sounding so sure

Dismantle your arguments? You provided absolutely nothing of substance. But you're a nigger

Fucking hell. What a tragic, tragic way to spend my time

Arguing about things beyond human understanding, and taking such things as fact, is possibly the lowest IQ activity

bro that was a brutal mog


@moodless come here and rate the iq mog. princeluenleoncur just dismanlted that childish faggot

If that's what you call that pathetic comment, then you need serious help

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Define ethics
Other animals have ethics, early humans had ethics, totally unrelated to your disgusting religions. Your "trap" was remarkably easy to avoid, despite you sounding so sure

Dismantle your arguments? You provided absolutely nothing of substance. But you're a nigger

Arguing about things beyond human understanding, and taking such things as fact, is possibly the lowest IQ activity

If that's what you call that pathetic comment, then you need serious help

You can’t gather ethics from nature you imbecile that makes it relative therefore meaningless. Means a rapist is just as justified to rape a woman and he’s not wrong and neither is the woman for not wanting to be raped… ethics is either a real ontological thing or it is completely subjective, does your brain prescribe ethical importance to objects in the real world or does underlying subconscious factors in your brain look at objects and grade them in the ethical gradient?

Once again as hominem is all you can do you can’t make an account for anything I asked you so now you chimp out
@Giggling Elmo these 2 were the easiest Gaytheist I rattled. 2 questions I asked them and they unraveled

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Where does “knowledge” come from and what is it?

Knodkge is the endeavour or finding truth and falsehood and understanding using rationality which implies logic. neither of which cannot Be justified in tha Gaytheistic paradise what is it grounded in? Can you make an account for it? We cannot see epistemology truth or logic in a microscope but we know they exist so WHERE? What grounds it

You can’t say it grounds itself either that’s Circular and a fallacy in philosophy just a heads up

Gods of the gaps argument doesn’t work here as I’m not arguing for some generic god in arguing that transidentals require an higher personalised mind to be grounded within because they cannot be grounded within the natural law and materialism. Nice try though you tried but fell for the trap as all Gaythwists do

Take a look at this nigga @noodlelover
Brutal humiliation ceremony, him calling things "traps" in a desperate bid for a "gotcha!" moment, which no one is falling for, as he's confused and isn't actually getting anyone out

I'm not replying anymore, after this next notification I just got from this same dumbass nigga. It's like trying to debate a tinfoil hat wearer

 

[optimisticzoomer]

You can’t gather ethics from nature you imbecile that makes it relative therefore meaningless. Means a rapist is just as justified to rape a woman and he’s not wrong and neither is the woman for not wanting to be raped… ethics is either a real ontological thing or it is completely subjective, does your brain prescribe ethical importance to objects in the real world or does underlying subconscious factors in your brain look at objects and grade them in the ethical gradient?

Once again as hominem is all you can do you can’t make an account for anything I asked you so now you chimp out
@Giggling Elmo these 2 were the easiest Gaytheist I rattled. 2 questions I asked them and they unraveled

Take a look at this nigga @noodlelover
Brutal humiliation ceremony, him calling things "traps" in a desperate bid for a "gotcha!" moment, which no one is falling for, as he's confused and isn't actually getting anyone out

Genuinely consider roping

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Genuinely consider roping

Glad to see your idiocy has driven you to the point of roping because you realised you can’t make a simple account for these invariant immaterial universal abstract entities which you know exist outside of materialism and laws of nature but you have no way of accounting for them you probably also realise seconds also relies on this such as epistemology truth claims and identity over time which it itself cannot also justify

Your paradise as I said is reductionist and filled with holes.

Mine is the only one that can give an coherent account for all of this you cannot, in fact saying “There is no god” in of itself is an universal quantifier fallacy and self defeating as your worldview doesn’t have an account for metaphysics outside of the material

 

[noodlelover]

Where does “knowledge” come from and what is it?

"knowledge" is a model of reality in the brains of cognitive agents.

Humans and animals have evolved to model their reality to make predictions and decisions that improve their odds of survival and replication.

Knodkge is the endeavour or finding truth and falsehood and understanding using rationality which implies logic. neither of which cannot Be justified in tha Gaytheistic paradise what is it grounded in? Can you make an account for it? We cannot see epistemology truth or logic in a microscope but we know they exist so WHERE? What grounds it

We can literally see it in a microscope, as neurons and connections in a brain. Again, "knowledge" just a model of reality.

You can’t say it grounds itself either that’s Circular and a fallacy in philosophy just a heads up

Gods of the gaps argument doesn’t work here as I’m not arguing for some generic god in arguing that transidentals require an higher personalised mind to be grounded within because they cannot be grounded within the natural law and materialism.

"Being" doesn't require god as an explanation.

Nice try though you tried but fell for the trap as all Gaythwists do

I use to be an arrogant Christian, who thought atheists were dumb. But if you keep learning, you'll eventually come to the conclusion that there is no god, it's a myth.

 

[looksmaxxed]

most atheists are just cowards and followers, and in a less secular period they'd be god fearers like everyone else.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

"knowledge" is a model of reality in the brains of cognitive agents.

Humans and animals have evolved to model their reality to make predictions and decisions that improve their odds of survival and replication.


We can literally see it in a microscope, as neurons and connections in a brain. Again, "knowledge" just a model of reality.



"Being" doesn't require god as an explanation.


I use to be an arrogant Christian, who thought atheists were dumb. But if you keep learning, you'll eventually come to the conclusion that there is no god, it's a myth.

How can you trust that what you’re seeing is real if we are just a mishmash of random particles molecules reacting to all things? How does one get order from chaos? How can you be sure what you are experiencing isn’t a mental phantasm as coined by the great late philosopher Rene Descartes.

You can’t say “MUH because I experience it duh “ that is circular. So your whole epistemology collapses at the gate because you have no way in the materialistic worldview to even say you can trust your own perceived reality to be true

Atheists are dumb… they have no account for anything like you.

I don’t even have to refute your whole spiel because even making statements requires the precondition of truth, identity over time and other metaphysical aspects your worldview denies or doesn’t have an answer 2.

Where are these things grounded.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

"knowledge" is a model of reality in the brains of cognitive agents.

Humans and animals have evolved to model their reality to make predictions and decisions that improve their odds of survival and replication.


We can literally see it in a microscope, as neurons and connections in a brain. Again, "knowledge" just a model of reality.



"Being" doesn't require god as an explanation.


I use to be an arrogant Christian, who thought atheists were dumb. But if you keep learning, you'll eventually come to the conclusion that there is no god, it's a myth.

Take a look at this nigga @noodlelover
Brutal humiliation ceremony, him calling things "traps" in a desperate bid for a "gotcha!" moment, which no one is falling for, as he's confused and isn't actually getting anyone out

I'm not replying anymore, after this next notification I just got from this same dumbass nigga. It's like trying to debate a tinfoil hat wearer

Abstract Objects: Neurons and brain activity alone cannot explain the existence of abstract objects such as numbers, logic, or moral laws. These concepts exist outside of material space and time and imply an immaterial source, this points to God.


Intentionality and Qualia: Cognitive models might map reality, but they do not explain the why of intentionality (the “aboutness” of thoughts) or subjective experience (qualia). These features suggest an immaterial mind, consisitent which is best explained by a divine source. Is ought issue posed by the renown atheistic philosopher David Hume

My point about epistemology was that naturalistic frameworks lack a sufficient basis for objective knowledge. If knowledge is just a byproduct of evolutionary processes aimed solely at survival, then truth is secondary to utility. This undercuts trust in our cognitive faculties to provide reliable and objective truths.


logical laws are invariant, universal, and immaterial. A purely materialistic explanation fails to ground why such laws should exist in a consistent form. Only a divine mind, he would argue, can account for the objective nature of logic.


Objective Truth: A worldview without Christian God cannot account for objective truth, as it collapses into relativism or subjectivism. The existence of objective, transcendent truths points to a source beyond material existence.


TLDR:
Evolution cannot account for rational self-reflection, abstract thinking, or moral reasoning. Evolutionary naturalism, it, provides no reason to trust that our beliefs are true—only that they are useful for survival.
materialistic and evolutionary explanations fail to adequately explain knowledge, logic, and being. The consistency of logical laws, the existence of immaterial concepts, and the grounding of existence itself point to CHRISTIAN Trinitarian God as a necessary foundation for reality and knowledge.

 

[noodlelover]

How can you trust that what you’re seeing is real if we are just a mishmash of random particles molecules reacting to all things?

We have evolved brains that are good at modeling reality, to allow us to survive and replicate.

We've gone above and beyond this basic capacity and culturally evolved scientific methods, mathematics, and logic to even more accurately model reality. This has allowed us to build many technologies.

How does one get order from chaos?

The branch of science that explains this is called "emergent complexity". There are experiments and simulations you can run showing how simple rules, over time create complexity.

But the main way this occurs in our universe is patterns of molecules self replicate or get created in mass from chemical reactions.

Some of those molecules will bind with other molecules that help them form structures that last longer through time. These more stable structures are often more complex.

So over time, complexity emerges. This complexiy creates problems for other molecular configurations, and we get a form of co-evolution, or "red queen" scenario. Where multiple structures are co-evolving to survive and compete for resources. This results in greater and greater complexity.

We see it in plants, organisms, culture, technology, and even language.

How can you be sure what you are experiencing isn’t a mental phantasm as coined by the great late philosopher Rene Descartes.

You can’t say “MUH because I experience it duh “ that is circular. So your whole epistemology collapses at the gate because you have no way in the materialistic worldview to even say you can trust your own perceived reality to be true

My word view is true and your is not.

You trust your world view only because you are in a state of delusion.

Atheists are dumb… they have no account for anything like you.

I'm answering all of your questions. I have a better model of reality than you do, which is why you require fantasy to explain what you haven't yet learned.

I don’t even have to refute your whole spiel because even making statements requires the precondition of truth, identity over time and other metaphysical aspects your worldview denies or doesn’t have an answer 2.

Where are these things grounded.

We evolved brains to help us survive and reproduce. We evolved culture, and mathematics, and logic to better model reality, which aided us in survival and reproduction by allowing us to accrue more power.

Religion has evolved to better and better infect minds, and brain wash them. It is a sort of parasite of the mind. Taking advantage of gaps in logic and reason. Religion most effectively infects the minds of the young.

 

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We have evolved brains that are good at modeling reality, to allow us to survive and replicate.

We've gone above and beyond this basic capacity and culturally evolved scientific methods, mathematics, and logic to even more accurately model reality. This has allowed us to build many technologies.



The branch of science that explains this is called "emergent complexity". There are experiments and simulations you can run showing how simple rules, over time create complexity.

But the main way this occurs in our universe is patterns of molecules self replicate or get created in mass from chemical reactions.

Some of those molecules will bind with other molecules that help them form structures that last longer through time. These more stable structures are often more complex.

So over time, complexity emerges. This complexiy creates problems for other molecular configurations, and we get a form of co-evolution, or "red queen" scenario. Where multiple structures are co-evolving to survive and compete for resources. This results in greater and greater complexity.

We see it in plants, organisms, culture, technology, and even language.



My word view is true and your is not.

You trust your world view only because you are in a state of delusion.

I'm answering all of your questions. I have a better model of reality than you do, which is why you require fantasy to explain what you haven't yet learned.

We evolved brains to help us survive and reproduce. We evolved culture, and mathematics, and logic to better model reality, which aided us in survival and reproduction by allowing us to accrue more power.

Religion has evolved to better and better infect minds, and brain wash them. It is a sort of parasite of the mind. Taking advantage of gaps in logic and reason. Religion most effectively infects the minds of the young.

I answered this above… in my recent post and I debunk everything you say here quite brutally tbh I’ll reply to the first part

while emergent complexity can describe how systems evolve over time under specific rules, it does not explain why those rules exist or where the initial conditions come from. Using analogies involving design (e.g., a watch requires a watchmaker) can emphasize that underlying order points to an intelligent source.


Information Theory: The idea that information and complex codes (such as DNA) imply a source of intelligence. The appearance of stable and ordered structures in nature could indicate an intelligent principle guiding the process, which emergent complexity alone does not explain.


explaining complexity through simple physical processes and chemical reactions avoids deeper questions about the metaphysical basis of existence

Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing? Emergent complexity describes how order arises under certain conditions but does not address why those conditions are there in the first place.


I stand unconvinced, the idea that true chaos (disorder) can generate ordered, rational systems without an organising principle. Asserting complex systems emerge purely through natural processes without any metaphysical or divine principle overlooks the need for a fundamental, ordering cause.

consciousness and intentional thought cannot be fully explained by emergent properties of matter, as they imply an immaterial aspect not accounted for by physical processes.

Just as software or language requires a programmer, the structured systems of nature suggest a Mind that imposes order.

Basically you tried but like all fail unfortunately

 

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I answered this above… in my recent post and I debunk everything you say here quite brutally tbh

nah you iqmogged those filthy ningen gaytheists to oblivion. They converting to satanism next morning

 

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I answered this above… in my recent post and I debunk everything you say here quite brutally tbh

You didn't debunk anything.

Abstract Objects: Neurons and brain activity alone cannot explain the existence of abstract objects such as numbers, logic, or moral laws. These concepts exist outside of material space and time and imply an immaterial source, this points to God.

Arguing with religious people is like trying to explain all of science.

All I hear is "Why is the sky blue?". If you don't know something, look it up, saying "god did it" only proves your ignorance.

Morality is a set of evolved instincts to help us better cooperate in groups.

Numbers, and Logic are cognitive heuristics that culturally evolved so that we could better model our reality and acquire more power and resources.

Intentionality and Qualia: Cognitive models might map reality, but they do not explain the why of intentionality (the “aboutness” of thoughts) or subjective experience (qualia).

Qualia is just models of reality represented in matter and energy. There is no "soul" to your qualia. Your qualia is just a configuration of matter and energy.

If there was distinct "soul" substance there would have been some shred of evidence for it.

These features suggest an immaterial mind, consisitent which is best explained by a divine source. Is ought issue posed by the renown atheistic philosopher David Hume

Holey fucking leaps of logic.

"I don't understand how qualia emerges" therefore "god is real".

My point about epistemology was that naturalistic frameworks lack a sufficient basis for objective knowledge. If knowledge is just a byproduct of evolutionary processes aimed solely at survival, then truth is secondary to utility. This undercuts trust in our cognitive faculties to provide reliable and objective truths.

Which is why we have invented mathematics, science, the study of phycology and cognitive biases, to error correct out the majority of that.

Belief that your model of reality is "right" because of "religious beliefs" and "divine knowledge", doesn't make you more correct, it makes you ignorant.

In 2024, it's bothersome that people are still living in the dark ages.

logical laws are invariant, universal, and immaterial. A purely materialistic explanation fails to ground why such laws should exist in a consistent form. Only a divine mind, he would argue, can account for the objective nature of logic.

Logic isn't objective, it's just a better way to model reality than your religious superstition.

Objective Truth: A worldview without Christian God cannot account for objective truth, as it collapses into relativism or subjectivism. The existence of objective, transcendent truths points to a source beyond material existence.

There is no god. It's a false belief, that is objectively NOT true.

This objectivism comes from mathematics, science, probability theory, psychology and human biases. If you believe in god, you haven't accrued enough useful heuristics to get an accurate intuition of what's imaginary.