Why big jaw is a sign of high T

[KrissKross]

As we know, men with high T naturally are stronger and more muscular even in their untrained state. You could blast T and not gym, and still get stronger.
When on T, all muscles in the body hypertrophy including the masseter.
Now as @retard and @RecessedPrettyboy can also state, it is the MASSETER not the tounge that guides forward growth. Tounge is more for the teeth and arch.
What if high T males have naturally hypertrophied masseter muscles despite not having to chew maxx. This would explain the correlation with high T and good jaws.

It’s just something that occurred to me a few moments ago tbh so could be cope, but it makes sense

 

[ShineBright]

Dear diary,

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[Deleted member 6305]

No... It's a sign of masculinity not high T

 

[herring]

No... It's a sign of masculinity not high T

why are you treating masculinity and testosterone like two different things kek

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

Its about a larger mandible. Higher testosterone, prenatally and at puberty, leads to more growth in the jaw. It is one of the most dimorphic features in the face and the presence and ratio of testosterone and estrogen had a big role to play in its size and shape. Although higher testosterone would lead to more muscle mass even in the masseter, the most pronounced difference is the bone size and shape.

 

[Time Travel]

Another low T cope

 

[Deleted member 6305]

why are you treating masculinity and testosterone like two different things kek

Because they're
You can have masculine features with low t levels

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Sorry tongue posture doesn't play a role on forard growth?

Are you sure? Nose breathing an tongue posture aren't the hallmarks to forward growth with good maxillary positioning? It's just chewing and/or high T, because the masseter pressing against the respective bones and encourages growth to go forwards?

 

[herring]

Because they're
You can have masculine features with low t levels

you literally can't, any person with a wide mandible, prominent browbone and sloping forehead is top 10% in terms of test levels.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Because they're
You can have masculine features with low t levels

The key here I think is triggering high T levels when you are going through puberty, which then enables you to develop more masculine features.

 

[Deleted member 3323]

As we know, men with high T naturally are stronger and more muscular even in their untrained state. You could blast T and not gym, and still get stronger.
When on T, all muscles in the body hypertrophy including the masseter.
Now as @retard and @RecessedPrettyboy can also state, it is the MASSETER not the tounge that guides forward growth. Tounge is more for the teeth and arch.
What if high T males have naturally hypertrophied masseter muscles despite not having to chew maxx. This would explain the correlation with high T and good jaws.

It’s just something that occurred to me a few moments ago tbh so could be cope, but it makes sense

Nah not all the time. Mongoloids usually have big jaws but its not a sign of being high t. Also bone thickness can be determined by masseter muscle.

 

[Rabbi]

idk bro im pretty high E

 

[herring]

idk bro im pretty high E

yeah but you prob have above average t levels for a curry, also, your frame and height are mediocre

 

[Deleted member 6908]

you literally can't, any person with a wide mandible, prominent browbone and sloping forehead is top 10% in terms of test levels.

You're talking poop. Once you have developed masculine features, you can drop your T levels and increase your E by getting fat and developing bitch tits, but you will still have a square jaw, just with some layers of fat covering it. Think logically.

T is important during the boy to teenager to adult phase. Puberty and adolesence. T will still help your face beyond 25, but not in terms of its fundamental development, as that is now over.

 

[Rabbi]

you literally can't, any person with a wide mandible, prominent browbone and sloping forehead is top 10% in terms of test levels.

Its mostly puberty DHT and T my guy.
A dude could go through puberty then inject E after they would still get the bones.
My grandad bonemogs 90% of young dudes no way he T mogs them too.

 

[herring]

You're talking poop. Once you have developed masculine features, you can drop your T levels and increase your E by getting fat and developing bitch tits, but you will still have a square jaw, just with some layers of fat covering it. Think logically.

T is important during the boy to teenager to adult phase. Puberty and adolesence. T will still help your face beyond 25, but not in terms of its fundamental development, as that is now over.

you still need high t in either the womb or during puberty (or both tbh) to develop masc facial features in the first place.
obviously your hormonal profile matters jack shit once your bones have already grown.

 

[Rabbi]

You're talking poop. Once you have developed masculine features, you can drop your T levels and increase your E by getting fat and developing bitch tits, but you will still have a square jaw, just with some layers of fat covering it. Think logically.

T is important during the boy to teenager to adult phase. Puberty and adolesence. T will still help your face beyond 25, but not in terms of its fundamental development, as that is now over.

underrated but true: Most facial changes are more from DHT rather than T its 5x more androgenic.

 

[Rabbi]

yeah but you prob have above average t levels for a curry, also, your frame and height are mediocre

height is mediocore, frame id say is above average but my fat distribution is famine tier.

 

[herring]

Its mostly puberty DHT and T my guy.
A dude could go through puberty then inject E after they would still get the bones.
My grandad bonemogs 90% of young dudes no way he T mogs them too.

if you're high t during puberty, you're probably still high t after puberty

 

[Deleted member 6572]

It’s all genetics puberty is a cope

 

[Deleted member 6908]

you still need high t in either the womb or during puberty (or both tbh) to develop masc facial features in the first place.
obviously your hormonal profile matters jack shit once your bones have already grown.

Thats what I just said and no I still would lnt say jackshit.

Say you were mewing hard for weeks or doing mse.

 

[Rabbi]

if you're high t during puberty, you're probably still high t after puberty

I seriously dont believe jaw has much to do with T imo.
Like its there but not completely its definitely a factor especially browridge imo

No way margot robbie T mogs Diesel

 

[Deleted member 6908]

underrated but true: Most facial changes are more from DHT rather than T its 5x more androgenic.

Dht?

 

[Rabbi]

Dht?

Dihydro testosterone?

 

[Deleted member 6908]

if you're high t during puberty, you're probably still high t after puberty

More fucking bro pseudo science

Absolute bullshit.

You still need to exercise and or lift to promote the testosterone you twit. Even Jamaicans dem der have to promote their testosterone. Sprints, lifting, explosive shit tends to work.

Obviously if you are Jamaican or Greek or Egyptian or anyone of these testosterone blessed mother fuckers, you have to do less to promote the testosterone, but you still can't be a full complete bum. It's a mixture of genetics and environment.

There is also a thing known as gene remodelling over your life time which I am currently looking into. Its being spoken about atm by a dude on lookism

 

[Blackout.xl]

More fucking bro pseudo science

Absolute bullshit.

You still need to exercise and or lift to promote the testosterone you twit. Even Jamaicans dem der have to promote their testosterone. Sprints, lifting, explosive shit tends to work.

Obviously if you are Jamaican or Greek or Egyptian or anyone of these testosterone blessed mother fuckers, you have to do less to promote the testosterone, but you still can't be a full complete bum. It's a mixture of genetics and environment.

There is also a thing known as gene remodelling over your life time which I am currently looking into. Its being spoken about atm by a dude on lookism

Are west Africans blessed

 

[herring]

More fucking bro pseudo science

Absolute bullshit.

You still need to exercise and or lift to promote the testosterone you twit. Even Jamaicans dem der have to promote their testosterone. Sprints, lifting, explosive shit tends to work.

Obviously if you are Jamaican or Greek or Egyptian or anyone of these testosterone blessed mother fuckers, you have to do less to promote the testosterone, but you still can't be a full complete bum. It's a mixture of genetics and environment.

There is also a thing known as gene remodelling over your life time which I am currently looking into. Its being spoken about atm by a dude on lookism

dude your hormonal profile is 70% determined by genetics and 30% by other environmental factors such as diet, quality of life and the stuff jews put into our water. Any attempt at raising test levels without literally injecting testosterone is giga cope. Some balkan fag that never touched weights in his life can still test mog 99% of gymcopers just because of genetics.

Yes lifting raises test levels by maybe 10% or st, yes certain supplements might raise test by a few percent, that's about it tho.
Your test levels peak at like 25 and decline steadily until skydiving at 40.

 

[herring]

Are west Africans blessed

pretty sure africans are also high e

 

[Blackout.xl]

pretty sure africans are also high e

High t means high E

 

[herring]

High t means high E

not necessarily

 

[Blackout.xl]

not necessarily

Well I agree not always will high T mean high E but more often than not it will from what I’ve seen, due to hormones needing to be in balance. Low E Is not a good thing

 

[herring]

Well I agree not always will high T mean high E but more often than not it will from what I’ve seen, due to hormones needing to be in balance. Low E Is not a good thing

it's all about having a well balanced hormonal profile which will result in both the development of masc facial features and help you fight the norwood reaper

 

[Blackout.xl]

it's all about having a well balanced hormonal profile which will result in both the development of masc facial features and help you fight the norwood reaper

Indeed

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

you still need high t in either the womb or during puberty (or both tbh) to develop masc facial features in the first place.
obviously your hormonal profile matters jack shit once your bones have already grown.

Orbital structure, zygos projection and jaw size is mostly genetic and inherited from your parents. Hormones play a role but it's not as big as you think. How do you explain seeing low t girls with bigger jaws than 90% of the male population?

 

[fras]

Orbital structure, zygos projection and jaw size is mostly genetic and inherited from your parents. Hormones play a role but it's not as big as you think. How do you explain seeing low t girls with bigger jaws than 90% of the male population?

Prenatal T. Doesn't matter if you're male or female, if you are exposed to a lot of T during pregnancy/puberty, you will be masculinized. Plus females obviously react much more to T exposure.

 

[MentalistKebab]

Orbital structure, zygos projection and jaw size is mostly genetic and inherited from your parents. Hormones play a role but it's not as big as you think. How do you explain seeing low t girls with bigger jaws than 90% of the male population?

They dont. Its easy to deny your subhuman genes and cry muh I am subhuman because juws put chemicals in the water.

Anyhow how big your bones can get is determined by your genes, yes growth is promoted by hormones and muscles but only a minimum amount is necessary. Limit is set by genes..

 

[fras]

They dont. Its easy to deny your subhuman genes and cry muh I am subhuman because juws put chemicals in the water.

Anyhow how big your bones can get is determined by your genes, yes growth is promoted by hormones and muscles but only a minimum amount is necessary. Limit is set by genes..

The size is determined by prenatal T though. The higher the T exposure as a fetus = the more masulinization. I wish there would be an experiment on this where they inject a pregnant woman with T. 100% the son would be dom af.

 

[Deleted member 6723]

As we know, men with high T naturally are stronger and more muscular even in their untrained state. You could blast T and not gym, and still get stronger.
When on T, all muscles in the body hypertrophy including the masseter.
Now as @retard and @RecessedPrettyboy can also state, it is the MASSETER not the tounge that guides forward growth. Tounge is more for the teeth and arch.
What if high T males have naturally hypertrophied masseter muscles despite not having to chew maxx. This would explain the correlation with high T and good jaws.

It’s just something that occurred to me a few moments ago tbh so could be cope, but it makes sense

ur right. Thats why John Mew said teeth-in-contact is what causes forward growth and not the tongue.

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

what if i went through puberty below normal BMI and consequently low T? did i fuck up my development?

 

[fras]

what if i went through puberty below normal BMI and consequently low T? did i fuck up my development?

Yes, lots of dudes fall victim to this. People only focus on the fact that being overweight causes high E, but being too low bf also fucks your hormones.

 

[Mr.cope]

Broscience
Source: just believe me bro

 

[Deleted member 7863]

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Not one single pixel was read today.

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[MentalistKebab]

The size is determined by prenatal T though. The higher the T exposure as a fetus = the more masulinization. I wish there would be an experiment on this where they inject a pregnant woman with T. 100% the son would be dom af.

Lmao. Jfl if you dont inject Trenbologne to your pregnant wife.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

As we know, men with high T naturally are stronger and more muscular even in their untrained state. You could blast T and not gym, and still get stronger.
When on T, all muscles in the body hypertrophy including the masseter.
Now as @retard and @RecessedPrettyboy can also state, it is the MASSETER not the tounge that guides forward growth. Tounge is more for the teeth and arch.
What if high T males have naturally hypertrophied masseter muscles despite not having to chew maxx. This would explain the correlation with high T and good jaws.

It’s just something that occurred to me a few moments ago tbh so could be cope, but it makes sense

ur right. Thats why John Mew said teeth-in-contact is what causes forward growth and not the tongue.

this is simply false. I chewed and clenched for 6 years and achieved zero forward growth. the masseters have to be strong enough to keep the mouth closed at rest and that's all the contribution they are making to forward growth. giga hypertrophy of the masseters gives you a robust jaw but not necessarily a forward grown one(you can see people with bruxism and long midface, flat zygos). john and mike have pioneered(or at least popularized) this science, building on the research of weston price and others but they still do not provide a complete, proven, result-oriented guide/program to mewing after many decades which makes anything they say dubious. theory is nice but ultimately useless

 

[JamesHowlett]

High T Punjabi checking in

 

[Deleted member 9344]

As we know, men with high T naturally are stronger and more muscular even in their untrained state. You could blast T and not gym, and still get stronger.
When on T, all muscles in the body hypertrophy including the masseter.
Now as @retard and @RecessedPrettyboy can also state, it is the MASSETER not the tounge that guides forward growth. Tounge is more for the teeth and arch.
What if high T males have naturally hypertrophied masseter muscles despite not having to chew maxx. This would explain the correlation with high T and good jaws.

It’s just something that occurred to me a few moments ago tbh so could be cope, but it makes sense

Not a sign of high T, just makes the face more masculine imo.

 

[Dunkelheit]

Holy shit, this idea that the tongue DOESN'T guide forward growth is just beyond retarded, I can't even.

 

[KrissKross]

Holy shit, this idea that the tongue DOESN'T guide forward growth is just beyond retarded, I can't even.

Cope

 

[Deleted member 6723]

this is simply false. I chewed and clenched for 6 years and achieved zero forward growth. the masseters have to be strong enough to keep the mouth closed at rest and that's all the contribution they are making to forward growth. giga hypertrophy of the masseters gives you a robust jaw but not necessarily a forward grown one(you can see people with bruxism and long midface, flat zygos). john and mike have pioneered(or at least popularized) this science, building on the research of weston price and others but they still do not provide a complete, proven, result-oriented guide/program to mewing after many decades which makes anything they say dubious. theory is nice but ultimately useless

You sure you were pre-teens back then? Of course doing those stuff wont work that much when you become older as the sutures have fused more and more. I'm not an expert in this topic though.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Big jaw is a sign of high T because it is caused by a tall ramus, which is a sign of high T. The taller the ramus, the lower the mandible body attaches to it, and the bigger the jaw is.