Why capital might be making Inceldom worse (and why that's bad for Incels).

[whiteegyptian]

Capitalism is not just about money, and jobs, it's also very much linked to dating and sex, and for you incels that can make things even worse, let me explain.

1 - Dating feels like a market.

In Capitalism, everything's a competition, including sex and dating, you're constantly being judged, about how you look, how much money you make, your social status, etc, It's like literally Amazon, some people (the good quality products) get all the attention, while some people get dumped in the trash (the bad quality products), which makes Incels feel like they're on the bottom of this market, which crushes the self esteem absurdly.

2 - Being left behind.
- Capitalism gives 0 fucks about your mental health or why are you lonely, It breaks down entire communities, and keeps Incels isolated, and tells you to grind non stop 24/7, alot of men end up being stuck inside, online, with no real purpose in life.

3 - It's always YOUR FAULT, you are not WORKING HARD enough.
- Capitalist culture emphasizes self improvement, If you're not good looking, successful, rich or loved, it must be because you are lazy or you do not try hard enough to improve yourself, even when PEOPLE literally try their hardest, but no try harder, which is a fucking shitty mindset, for men, It turns into like a spiral or something? they try to fix themselves (i think we have all gone through the red pill phase), and when that doesn't work, they feel like TOTAL failures, the system says they are broken, but how about the system itself is BROKEN?

All of what i said, above, the points i talked about pretty much correlates very well, capitalism literally trains us to think in markets, we're taught everything is a damn market from childhood, not just in dating as well, we're told to compete in schools, in jobs, in life style, success being more valuable than others (money, status, looks), this mindset leaks into dating and sex, people start using terms like ''high value man'' and ''dating down'', neo liberal capitalism makes you blame yourself, it's always your fault is the same, as you are not trying hard enough, no bitches, you aren't trying hard enough, no money, try harder, etc.

Conclusion: At the end of the day, capitalism didn’t invent loneliness or rejection, but it supercharged them, It turned dating into a competition, connection into a product, and people into profiles. If you're not “winning” in love, the system tells you it’s your fault like you're just not grinding hard enough to be attractive, successful, or lovable.

@mentally_ill_chad @hopecel @ToryToad @Manchild_v2 @Hernan

 

[whiteegyptian]

@Jason Voorhees @whitebitchslayer @psychomandible @aryan mogger @Volksstaffel

 

[registerfasterusing]

yeah it all goes back to a social emphasis on production and utility, in some form or another

 

[Deleted member 141098]

capitalism is natural. its in our nature to do this

 

[whiteegyptian]

yeah it all goes back to a social emphasis on production and utility, in some form or another

Yeah exactly, you're only valuable if you're producing something or being useful too someone.

 

[KT-34]

Didn't read but if it's about money you're definitely right cause yk, your pfp

 

[toptop1222]

oy vey oy vey

 

[psychomandible]

Capitalism is the most natural way of economics, the reason dating is bad rn is because of culture and globalism

 

[R@m@]

capitalism is natural. its in our nature to do this

Completely different from nature

 

[Deleted member 141098]

Capitalism is the most natural way of economics, the reason dating is bad rn is because of culture and globalism

this

 

[whiteegyptian]

Capitalism is the most natural way of economics, the reason dating is bad rn is because of culture and globalism

I get what you're saying culture and globalism do play a good role, but the thing is, capitalism shapes the culture, the way we date, interact, and even see ourselves is deeply influenced by the economic system we're in, like, why does dating feel transactional? why are we obsessed with "value," "improving our marketability," or "optimizing attraction"? that’s not just culture it’s culture being molded by a capitalist mindset, It's not a coincidence that dating apps are profit driven platforms designed to keep people swiping, not connecting.

 

[Deleted member 141098]

Completely different from nature

i mean resource competition is natural, self interest is natural, division of labor and social hierarchies are all natural
and we've always been striving for improvement and reward

 

[Deleted member 141098]

the disparity in sexual reproduction success has always existed

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/21/11/2047/1147770?login=false

this is natural in humans
like @psychomandible said, it only got worse because of other modern factors

 

[whiteegyptian]

the disparity in sexual reproduction success has always existed

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/21/11/2047/1147770?login=false

this is natural in humans
like @psychomandible said, it only got worse because of other modern factors

Did you read what i said above, capitalism literally influences culture, yes it's natural, but capitalism supercharged this and made it like a market, we literally call it a fucking ''DATING market''

 

[registerfasterusing]

and we've always been striving for improvement and reward

Not true

 

[psychomandible]

I get what you're saying culture and globalism do play a good role, but the thing is, capitalism shapes the culture, the way we date, interact, and even see ourselves is deeply influenced by the economic system we're in, like, why does dating feel transactional? why are we obsessed with "value," "improving our marketability," or "optimizing attraction"? that’s not just culture it’s culture being molded by a capitalist mindset, It's not a coincidence that dating apps are profit driven platforms designed to keep people swiping, not connecting.

Dating has always been transactional, the market was just way smaller back then

 

[psychomandible]

Not true

Maybe if you're a sub 80 iq negro but the for the rest of us what he said is true

 

[Deleted member 141098]

Did you read what i said above, capitalism literally influences culture, yes it's natural, but capitalism supercharged this and made it like a market, we literally call it a fucking ''DATING market''

yes, capitalism has gotten more agressive, what we call hypercapitalism. If thats what you criticize i agree with that, but my point is that its natural and im not sure that capitalism, in essence, is the problem. Other factors have promoted this hypercapitalism

 

[psychomandible]

Did you read what i said above, capitalism literally influences culture, yes it's natural, but capitalism supercharged this and made it like a market, we literally call it a fucking ''DATING market''

It was always a market you literally can't change that

 

[registerfasterusing]

Dating has always been transactional, the market was just way smaller back then

I disagree, commensurability is a product of capitalism

 

[psychomandible]

yes, capitalism has gotten more agressive, what we call hypercapitalism. If thats what you criticize i agree with that, but my point is that its natural and im not sure that capitalism, in essence, is the problem. Other factors have promoted this hypercapitalism

Hyper capitalism doesn't exist what we have is mixed market corporatism

 

[registerfasterusing]

Maybe if you're a sub 80 iq negro but the for the rest of us what he said is true

Alr nigga

 

[psychomandible]

I disagree, commensurability is a product of capitalism

And capitalism is the natural state of economics...

 

[whiteegyptian]

Dating has always been transactional, the market was just way smaller back then

Back then, people didn’t think about themselves as “products.” Capitalism made us internalize that logic now people talk about being “high value,” “improving their brand,” or “increasing their SMV'', that’s not just a bigger market that’s a whole different way of thinking about self worth and attraction

 

[registerfasterusing]

c

yes, capitalism has gotten more agressive, what we call hypercapitalism. If thats what you criticize i agree with that, but my point is that it’s natural and im not sure that capitalism, in essence, is the problem. Other factors have promoted this hypercapitalism

capitalism is what prompted ‘hypercapitalism’ if ur talking abt ‘hyperreality’ it’s a direct product of capitalist market dynamics

 

[psychomandible]

Back then, people didn’t think about themselves as “products.” Capitalism made us internalize that logic now people talk about being “high value,” “improving their brand,” or “increasing their SMV'', that’s not just a bigger market that’s a whole different way of thinking about self worth and attraction

So you're complaining that people are consciously trying to improve their value ?

 

[registerfasterusing]

And capitalism is the natural state of economics...

what the Egyptian nigga said is true. subjectivity is an enlightenment invention. ppl didnt always consider themselves as subjects the way we do now. i believe capitalism results in a social dynamic in which production and ‘positivity’ is favored over negation and loss

 

[registerfasterusing]

Back then, people didn’t think about themselves as “products.” Capitalism made us internalize that logic now people talk about being “high value,” “improving their brand,” or “increasing their SMV'', that’s not just a bigger market that’s a whole different way of thinking about self worth and attraction

this is true af nigga

 

[registerfasterusing]

So you're complaining that people are consciously trying to improve their value ?

ppl didn’t always use to operate ‘consciously’

 

[psychomandible]

ppl didn’t always use to operate ‘consciously’

Most people are unable to, you're trying to act like conscious decision making is a bad thing

 

[registerfasterusing]

Most people are unable to, you're trying to act like conscious decision making is a bad thing

nigga u sound like a self help retard

 

[Deleted member 141098]

I reread your thread and I understand your point that capitalism amplifies the issue
I agree with you on that, I was too quick to form a counterargument
I don't think capitalism is the cause but it does amplifiy the problem, along with technology/social media

 

[Deleted member 141098]

c

capitalism is what prompted ‘hypercapitalism’ if ur talking abt ‘hyperreality’ it’s a direct product of capitalist market dynamics

yeah I was talking about both really
I think both are the issue. This ultracapitalistic thinking + this shift into hyperreality which makes facial aesthetics the current highest form of social status

 

[sluttysuzy420]

Capitalism is not just about money, and jobs, it's also very much linked to dating and sex, and for you incels that can make things even worse, let me explain.

1 - Dating feels like a market.

In Capitalism, everything's a competition, including sex and dating, you're constantly being judged, about how you look, how much money you make, your social status, etc, It's like literally Amazon, some people (the good quality products) get all the attention, while some people get dumped in the trash (the bad quality products), which makes Incels feel like they're on the bottom of this market, which crushes the self esteem absurdly.

2 - Being left behind.
- Capitalism gives 0 fucks about your mental health or why are you lonely, It breaks down entire communities, and keeps Incels isolated, and tells you to grind non stop 24/7, alot of men end up being stuck inside, online, with no real purpose in life.

3 - It's always YOUR FAULT, you are not WORKING HARD enough.
- Capitalist culture emphasizes self improvement, If you're not good looking, successful, rich or loved, it must be because you are lazy or you do not try hard enough to improve yourself, even when PEOPLE literally try their hardest, but no try harder, which is a fucking shitty mindset, for men, It turns into like a spiral or something? they try to fix themselves (i think we have all gone through the red pill phase), and when that doesn't work, they feel like TOTAL failures, the system says they are broken, but how about the system itself is BROKEN?

All of what i said, above, the points i talked about pretty much correlates very well, capitalism literally trains us to think in markets, we're taught everything is a damn market from childhood, not just in dating as well, we're told to compete in schools, in jobs, in life style, success being more valuable than others (money, status, looks), this mindset leaks into dating and sex, people start using terms like ''high value man'' and ''dating down'', neo liberal capitalism makes you blame yourself, it's always your fault is the same, as you are not trying hard enough, no bitches, you aren't trying hard enough, no money, try harder, etc.

Conclusion: At the end of the day, capitalism didn’t invent loneliness or rejection, but it supercharged them, It turned dating into a competition, connection into a product, and people into profiles. If you're not “winning” in love, the system tells you it’s your fault like you're just not grinding hard enough to be attractive, successful, or lovable.

@mentally_ill_chad @hopecel @ToryToad @Manchild_v2 @Hernan

your not wrong. But I would appreciate a more well thought out post

 

[thereallegend]

capitalism is natural. its in our nature to do this

Tribes were communist

 

[liber333]

It’s only because slavery is (artificially) banned by the state. Capitalism is a perfect system, the state is the broken system, not capitalism. If slavery was legal, you wouldn’t have to worry about inceldom

 

[whitebitchslayer]

Capitalism is not just about money, and jobs, it's also very much linked to dating and sex, and for you incels that can make things even worse, let me explain.

1 - Dating feels like a market.

In Capitalism, everything's a competition, including sex and dating, you're constantly being judged, about how you look, how much money you make, your social status, etc, It's like literally Amazon, some people (the good quality products) get all the attention, while some people get dumped in the trash (the bad quality products), which makes Incels feel like they're on the bottom of this market, which crushes the self esteem absurdly.

2 - Being left behind.
- Capitalism gives 0 fucks about your mental health or why are you lonely, It breaks down entire communities, and keeps Incels isolated, and tells you to grind non stop 24/7, alot of men end up being stuck inside, online, with no real purpose in life.

3 - It's always YOUR FAULT, you are not WORKING HARD enough.
- Capitalist culture emphasizes self improvement, If you're not good looking, successful, rich or loved, it must be because you are lazy or you do not try hard enough to improve yourself, even when PEOPLE literally try their hardest, but no try harder, which is a fucking shitty mindset, for men, It turns into like a spiral or something? they try to fix themselves (i think we have all gone through the red pill phase), and when that doesn't work, they feel like TOTAL failures, the system says they are broken, but how about the system itself is BROKEN?

All of what i said, above, the points i talked about pretty much correlates very well, capitalism literally trains us to think in markets, we're taught everything is a damn market from childhood, not just in dating as well, we're told to compete in schools, in jobs, in life style, success being more valuable than others (money, status, looks), this mindset leaks into dating and sex, people start using terms like ''high value man'' and ''dating down'', neo liberal capitalism makes you blame yourself, it's always your fault is the same, as you are not trying hard enough, no bitches, you aren't trying hard enough, no money, try harder, etc.

Conclusion: At the end of the day, capitalism didn’t invent loneliness or rejection, but it supercharged them, It turned dating into a competition, connection into a product, and people into profiles. If you're not “winning” in love, the system tells you it’s your fault like you're just not grinding hard enough to be attractive, successful, or lovable.

@mentally_ill_chad @hopecel @ToryToad @Manchild_v2 @Hernan

Kill all the billionaires tbh

 

[psychomandible]

nigga u sound like a self help retard

No you just argued yourself into a corner that you can't escape

 

[psychomandible]

Tribes were communist

Not true

 

[thereallegend]

Not true

Primitive communism
There were no classes

There was no surplus value

 

[registerfasterusing]

No you just argued yourself into a corner that you can't escape

ur not even arguing anything atp nigga. i alr made my point

 

[psychomandible]

Primitive communism
There were no classes

There was no surplus value

There has always been class though Hierarchy is in everything hierarchy in a tribe is class.

 

[psychomandible]

ur not even arguing anything atp nigga. i alr made my point

I'm showing the holes in your argument muh self help retard

 

[thereallegend]

There has always been class though Hierarchy is in everything hierarchy in a tribe is class.

Class is an economic distinction

Like owners and slaves
Lords and serfs
Boss and workers

There was no class difference in nature. We were all the same and had the same incentives.

 

[registerfasterusing]

I'm showing the holes in your argument muh self help retard

i dont think u understand what im saying nigga

 

[Depresso]

Capitalism is not just about money, and jobs, it's also very much linked to dating and sex, and for you incels that can make things even worse, let me explain.

1 - Dating feels like a market.

In Capitalism, everything's a competition, including sex and dating, you're constantly being judged, about how you look, how much money you make, your social status, etc, It's like literally Amazon, some people (the good quality products) get all the attention, while some people get dumped in the trash (the bad quality products), which makes Incels feel like they're on the bottom of this market, which crushes the self esteem absurdly.

2 - Being left behind.
- Capitalism gives 0 fucks about your mental health or why are you lonely, It breaks down entire communities, and keeps Incels isolated, and tells you to grind non stop 24/7, alot of men end up being stuck inside, online, with no real purpose in life.

3 - It's always YOUR FAULT, you are not WORKING HARD enough.
- Capitalist culture emphasizes self improvement, If you're not good looking, successful, rich or loved, it must be because you are lazy or you do not try hard enough to improve yourself, even when PEOPLE literally try their hardest, but no try harder, which is a fucking shitty mindset, for men, It turns into like a spiral or something? they try to fix themselves (i think we have all gone through the red pill phase), and when that doesn't work, they feel like TOTAL failures, the system says they are broken, but how about the system itself is BROKEN?

All of what i said, above, the points i talked about pretty much correlates very well, capitalism literally trains us to think in markets, we're taught everything is a damn market from childhood, not just in dating as well, we're told to compete in schools, in jobs, in life style, success being more valuable than others (money, status, looks), this mindset leaks into dating and sex, people start using terms like ''high value man'' and ''dating down'', neo liberal capitalism makes you blame yourself, it's always your fault is the same, as you are not trying hard enough, no bitches, you aren't trying hard enough, no money, try harder, etc.

Conclusion: At the end of the day, capitalism didn’t invent loneliness or rejection, but it supercharged them, It turned dating into a competition, connection into a product, and people into profiles. If you're not “winning” in love, the system tells you it’s your fault like you're just not grinding hard enough to be attractive, successful, or lovable.

@mentally_ill_chad @hopecel @ToryToad @Manchild_v2 @Hernan

More government intervention? Sounds like Marxism

"Incel ideology" at its core

If you are an *.is lurker then read on, maybe share this post if it is interesting Is "Incel ideology" really a Marxism? "Sex is by far the most evil concept in existence." - Elliott Rodger (Epilogue, Manifesto) The entire point of this post is to try and undestand what is meant by "Incel...

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[hopecel]

Capitalism is not just about money, and jobs, it's also very much linked to dating and sex, and for you incels that can make things even worse, let me explain.

1 - Dating feels like a market.

In Capitalism, everything's a competition, including sex and dating, you're constantly being judged, about how you look, how much money you make, your social status, etc, It's like literally Amazon, some people (the good quality products) get all the attention, while some people get dumped in the trash (the bad quality products), which makes Incels feel like they're on the bottom of this market, which crushes the self esteem absurdly.

2 - Being left behind.
- Capitalism gives 0 fucks about your mental health or why are you lonely, It breaks down entire communities, and keeps Incels isolated, and tells you to grind non stop 24/7, alot of men end up being stuck inside, online, with no real purpose in life.

3 - It's always YOUR FAULT, you are not WORKING HARD enough.
- Capitalist culture emphasizes self improvement, If you're not good looking, successful, rich or loved, it must be because you are lazy or you do not try hard enough to improve yourself, even when PEOPLE literally try their hardest, but no try harder, which is a fucking shitty mindset, for men, It turns into like a spiral or something? they try to fix themselves (i think we have all gone through the red pill phase), and when that doesn't work, they feel like TOTAL failures, the system says they are broken, but how about the system itself is BROKEN?

All of what i said, above, the points i talked about pretty much correlates very well, capitalism literally trains us to think in markets, we're taught everything is a damn market from childhood, not just in dating as well, we're told to compete in schools, in jobs, in life style, success being more valuable than others (money, status, looks), this mindset leaks into dating and sex, people start using terms like ''high value man'' and ''dating down'', neo liberal capitalism makes you blame yourself, it's always your fault is the same, as you are not trying hard enough, no bitches, you aren't trying hard enough, no money, try harder, etc.

Conclusion: At the end of the day, capitalism didn’t invent loneliness or rejection, but it supercharged them, It turned dating into a competition, connection into a product, and people into profiles. If you're not “winning” in love, the system tells you it’s your fault like you're just not grinding hard enough to be attractive, successful, or lovable.

@mentally_ill_chad @hopecel @ToryToad @Manchild_v2 @Hernan

it's not because of capitalism, it's because of the side effects of the unsupervised capitalism (le free market) which reflect in the things like the boom of the entertainment industry after WW2 first of all... then you have a society which lost core values once it gave up on religion (which isn't inherently good) and which was being more and more redirected towards materialism and individualism

and let me tell you something, socialism which is the opposite of capitalism wasn't any more immune to those things than capitalism

at the end of the day it's all about values your society believes in, it's not about economical system

@Debetro @John666282

 

[John666282]

In Capitalism, everything's a competition, including sex and dating, you're constantly being judged, about how you look, how much money you make, your social status, etc, It's like literally Amazon, some people (the good quality products) get all the attention, while some people get dumped in the trash (the bad quality products), which makes Incels feel like they're on the bottom of this market, which crushes the self esteem absurdly.

Cope, people prefer buying Chinese shit because it's cheap ... so 'just be a cheap whore brooo'

- Capitalism gives 0 fucks about your mental health or why are you lonely, It breaks down entire communities, and keeps Incels isolated, and tells you to grind non stop 24/7, alot of men end up being stuck inside, online, with no real purpose in life.

True

- Capitalist culture emphasizes self improvement, If you're not good looking, successful, rich or loved, it must be because you are lazy or you do not try hard enough to improve yourself, even when PEOPLE literally try their hardest, but no try harder, which is a fucking shitty mindset, for men, It turns into like a spiral or something? they try to fix themselves (i think we have all gone through the red pill phase), and when that doesn't work, they feel like TOTAL failures, the system says they are broken, but how about the system itself is BROKEN?

This forum contributes to this 'it's over brooo' 'never began if you lack teen love'

All of what i said, above, the points i talked about pretty much correlates very well, capitalism literally trains us to think in markets, we're taught everything is a damn market from childhood, not just in dating as well, we're told to compete in schools, in jobs, in life style, success being more valuable than others (money, status, looks), this mindset leaks into dating and sex, people start using terms like ''high value man'' and ''dating down'', neo liberal capitalism makes you blame yourself, it's always your fault is the same, as you are not trying hard enough, no bitches, you aren't trying hard enough, no money, try harder, etc.

It's not totally because capitalism, sadly human nature (ego) is like this on its own way, people are often stupid/low iq and tend to judge/analyse others even though it doesn’t affect or benefit them at all most of the time

Conclusion: At the end of the day, capitalism didn’t invent loneliness or rejection, but it supercharged them, It turned dating into a competition, connection into a product, and people into profiles. If you're not “winning” in love, the system tells you it’s your fault like you're just not grinding hard enough to be attractive, successful, or lovable.

Yeah, some people exploit it for their own benefit like forum owner (it's a joke, mastah ) clav, and those influensaaars

it's not because of capitalism, it's because of the side effects of the unsupervised capitalism (le free market) which reflect in the things like the boom of the entertainment industry after WW2 first of all... then you have a society which lost core values once it gave up on religion (which isn't inherently good) and which was being more and more redirected towards materialism and individualism

That's true too

and let me tell you something, socialism which is the opposite of capitalism wasn't any more immune to those things than capitalism

Human nature

 

[psychomandible]

Class is an economic distinction

Like owners and slaves
Lords and serfs
Boss and workers

There was no class difference in nature. We were all the same and had the same incentives.

Class is not just ecnomic

 

[hopecel]

Human nature

100%, it's religion that separated us from our nature, so by abandoning religion we've opened the door not only to materialism and individualism, but also to a natural competitive spirit among people

I mean we're still somewhat okay compared to prehistory when only the strongest men survived and reproduced, essentially having a harem of women