Why do men consistently cope with muscles and refuse to acknowledge the facepill?

[fogdart]

I realized that my male friends are more comfortable attributing my success with women (like the text below) to the fact that I have big muscles (i'm natty so nothing crazy) rather than acknowledging that my face mogs.

Then we have others who say that gym bros who don't get girls don't have the "game" to get them because muscles definitely gets you girls. Nah bro it's all about your face first.

And other gym bros saying that women are scared of fit men because they are "insecure". Nah bro if she likes your face she will approach you or make it easier for you to talk to her

NB: Muscles only will definitely get you some roasties and older single moms tho. Being low BF is way more important than just big muscles. Every man should be working out to lower his body fat that's it.

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[Deleted member 9274]

Cuz face is more difficult to change and gym gets you respect my boi

 

[TsarTsar444]

True, except my ogre tier acne scars, my face is what is carrying me strong now while im a giga skinny 6.25 wrists NON NT subhuman, all because of being lean and having decent face. In fact if it only wasn't for acne scars it would be much better. But i train muscles unironically for my self tbh, i love flexing and looking myself in the mirror when i fuck a girl tbh

 

[Kekee]

Its easier and simpler to grow muscles than to fix your face. It's also seen as more NT and "Masculine" than getting facial surgeries.

There's also a bigger limit on how much you can improve your face than muscles. So people give up and convince themselves that it doesn't really matter that much.

 

[sorrowfulsad]

Cuz face is more difficult to change and gym gets you respect my boi

.. respect from men

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Mate guarding vs attractiveness. Men think the ideal man is the most dimorphic and dangerous, but women want the guy who’s pretty and will give her butterflies and would give her pretty sons and daughters. The main places they see eye to eye are height and maybe dick which is why those blackpills are more mainstream but men probably still put more emphasis on those than women do

 

[fogdart]

Mate guarding vs attractiveness. Men think the ideal man is the most dimorphic and dangerous, but women want the guy who’s pretty and will give her butterflies and would give her pretty sons and daughters. The main places they see eye to eye are height and maybe dick which is why those blackpills are more mainstream but men probably still put more emphasis on those than women do

Based pretty boy pill.

 

[germanlooks]

Mate guarding vs attractiveness. Men think the ideal man is the most dimorphic and dangerous, but women want the guy who’s pretty

It’s a mix tbh. Deep down girls also want the most Dom and dimorphic guy but he has to have a good looking face. And this combo is pretty much extremely rare. Some men like Tyler Maher come close to this

 

[Adriana Lima]

Gym represents hope in the sense that it enables man to change something about their outward form, face of course cannot be changed, so normies will do everything to obfuscate around this issue, I would put it to you that girls do this, with gym put probably more with clothes too in a way, I see it as some kind of calming ritual that everyone partakes into order to maintain the proverbial shroud of free will in regards to self-improvement, for if that didnt exist normies may as well just rope

 

[volcelfatcel]

Good body is attractive
good trait nonetheless
most people with good faces will also be gymmaxxed
its a multiplier depending on face.

Beyond cope to say its useless.

 

[Beetlejuice]

Cuz face is more difficult to change and gym gets you respect my boi

 

[turkproducer]

dnr ogres mog

 

[Deleted member 15595]

gym is teracope

 

[fogdart]

Good body is attractive
good trait nonetheless
most people with good faces will also be gymmaxxed
its a multiplier depending on face.

Beyond cope to say its useless.

I’m not saying it’s useless - you just need to be lean and have some muscle definition like you lift. Anything beyond that is cope for attracting young and attractive women. Extra muscles and being hyper shredded will land you fitness freak girls, roasties and single moms - I’ve done tinder experiments and I’m 100% certain.

anything beyond this body is cope for your overall SMV

 

[volcelfatcel]

I’m not saying it’s useless - you just need to be lean and have some muscle definition like you lift. Anything beyond that is cope for attracting young and attractive women. Extra muscles and being hyper shredded will land you fitness freak girls, roasties and single moms - I’ve done tinder experiments and I’m 100% certain.

anything beyond this body is cope for your overall SMV
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there's a reason why RTT is considered the easiest path to ascension
Mike Thurston tinder experiments are god tier
stacies, beckies all of them huge masse results.

I think body still matters a lot, because the reality is every chad will be jacked thye are not retarded.
A good body is a must in 2021 and women like it
it's a sign of high T and virility.

 

[BearBoy]

so ur telling me girls arent into this? bullshit.

 

[fogdart]

there's a reason why RTT is considered the easiest path to ascension
Mike Thurston tinder experiments are god tier
stacies, beckies all of them huge masse results.

I think body still matters a lot, because the reality is every chad will be jacked thye are not retarded.
A good body is a must in 2021 and women like it
it's a sign of high T and virility.

RTT without a good face is the surest way to land roasties. Mike thurston has a chad face ffs he’s not a good example - he would still slay if he was natty. Run an experiment on someone with RTT and average face and report back because I’ve done it and the results were shit.

RTT copers on suicide watch. Chest brah gets destroyed by Natty Tyrone. Tinder experiment. [GTFIH]

I read in one post that RTT (roidmaxing, Tanning and tattoos) is a legit formula for slaying on Tinder because Chest brah get 99+ likes in 4.5 hours so I decided to put the idea to test in a small city in Canada. Not only did chest brah fail abyssmally compared to Tyrone (28 likes in 24hours)...

looksmax.org

 

[volcelfatcel]

RTT without a good face is the surest way to land roasties. Mike thurston has a chad face ffs he’s not a good example - he would still slay if he was natty. Run an experiment on someone with RTT and average face and report back because I’ve done it and the results were shit.

RTT copers on suicide watch. Chest brah gets destroyed by Natty Tyrone. Tinder experiment. [GTFIH]

I read in one post that RTT (roidmaxing, Tanning and tattoos) is a legit formula for slaying on Tinder because Chest brah get 99+ likes in 4.5 hours so I decided to put the idea to test in a small city in Canada. Not only did chest brah fail abyssmally compared to Tyrone (28 likes in 24hours)...

looksmax.org

well yea obviously
i said
body is a multiplier on face

if that tyrone did RTT he'd slay even harder
you're comparing some uncanny ass retard vs some tyrone in the US.

 

[volcelfatcel]

Sexual dominance = everything

The relative importance of intra- and intersexual selection on human male sexually dimorphic traits

Recent evidence suggests that in sexual selection on human males, intrasexual competition plays a larger role than female choice. In a sample of men (…

www.sciencedirect.com

Results from structural equation models and selection analyses revealed that physical dominance, but not sexual attractiveness, predicted mating success. Physical dominance mediated associations of upper body size, physical strength, as well as vocal and facial physical dominance and attractiveness with mating success. These findings thus suggest a greater importance of intrasexual competition than female choice in human male sexual selection.

 

[Deleted member 9819]

dnr ogres mog

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prettyboy in albania

 

[Uglybrazilian]

post your face

 

[Dark Latino]

Not again...

Didnt want to make this thread but I had girls telling me since I've lost bodyfat that I should stop

I had a few girls telling me that I look smaller now ,2 girls said you should stop it does not suit you. I still want to reach 12 % but words are words maybe some girls prefer some guys more buff ... Weird

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Girls do like muscles cause they want to feel protected also how much depends also on how skinny is the girl or if she workouts herself.

 

[fogdart]

Not again...

Didnt want to make this thread but I had girls telling me since I've lost bodyfat that I should stop

I had a few girls telling me that I look smaller now ,2 girls said you should stop it does not suit you. I still want to reach 12 % but words are words maybe some girls prefer some guys more buff ... Weird

looksmax.org

Girls do like muscles cause they want to feel protected also how much depends also on how skinny is the girl or if she workouts herself.

How tall are you? What’s your weight and BMI? Anything from 10 - 15% body fat is ideal.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Cope
Girls care about body too

I have no body pic on bumble and body pic on tinder and I get more hookups/dates from tinder even tho I get lots of matches on bumble too

 

[fogdart]

Cope
Girls care about body too

I have no body pic on bumble and body pic on tinder and I get more hookups/dates from tinder even tho I get lots of matches on bumble too

Women on bumble are looking for relationships and are less likely to do casual sex. Also, tinder has way more users so there’s a higher probability of meeting girls who are interested in you. I had shirtless pics on tinder and bumble, but I’ve also hooked up with way more women on tinder than bumble - the bumble crowd is more conservative.

 

[Dark Latino]

How tall are you? What’s your weight and BMI? Anything from 10 - 15% body fat is ideal.

I am now at 14-15 % used to be fatter but looked bigger now I am 158lbs at 5"8

I don't care what girls say cause I want to reach 12% cause I like it

 

[JosephGarrot123]

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I’m not saying it’s useless - you just need to be lean and have some muscle definition like you lift. Anything beyond that is cope for attracting young and attractive women. Extra muscles and being hyper shredded will land you fitness freak girls, roasties and single moms - I’ve done tinder experiments and I’m 100% certain.

anything beyond this body is cope for your overall SMV
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Pic shows that wide skull is cope to certain extent

 

[tyronelite]

Over time I realized face doesn't matter in terms of "PSL".. you just gotta not be DISGUSTING to look at

Some girls will smash simply for the fact you have nice arms, or chest etc.. and face will be like 2nd or 3rd

 

[Deleted member 9666]

Muscles halo a good looking face

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

.. respect from men

If you're Mid-tier normie+ in the face being muscular AND lean gets you respect from women also

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

Mate guarding vs attractiveness. Men think the ideal man is the most dimorphic and dangerous, but women want the guy who’s pretty and will give her butterflies and would give her pretty sons and daughters. The main places they see eye to eye are height and maybe dick which is why those blackpills are more mainstream but men probably still put more emphasis on those than women do

Perfectly said, I love this website so much

 

[Blackgymmax]

Lol you were rated a 6/10 black guy w gymcel. Get fat and watch your smv dwindle. Obv face matters. Your friends are prob right. Youd basically be fucked if you didnt lift lol. "My face mogs" LOL. If wheat waffles rated you as high for a black dude as stephiscold then youre clearly not some mogger in the face no offence

 

[n0rthface]

The ideal is a mix of good face and good physique
women love knightesque figures who are both attractive and capable of dishing out physical violence

 

[fogdart]

Lol you were rated a 6/10 black guy w gymcel. Get fat and watch your smv dwindle. Obv face matters. Your friends are prob right. Youd basically be fucked if you didnt lift lol. "My face mogs" LOL. If wheat waffles rated you as high for a black dude as stephiscold then youre clearly not some mogger in the face no offence

He updated my face rating to 7/10. You've also rated me 6.5-7/10. Of course, I don't have a Tyrone face, but I do mog my friends who claim I slay only because of my body. Gymcelled body means nothing if your face is below a 6 - 7 range. I was still getting women when I wasn't gymcelled but my options increased when I gymcelled. I'm also natty so I'm not on some Mike Thurston tier physique. I've run Tinder experiments with average black guys with Thurston tier physique and guess what? they flopped hard - couldn't match with any decent looking women. Lastly, even Chad's SMV will be fucked if he's not gymcelled - being fat ruins your facial aesthetics.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Perfectly said, I love this website so much

I’m basically quoting Tails but thanks

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Mate guarding vs attractiveness. Men think the ideal man is the most dimorphic and dangerous, but women want the guy who’s pretty and will give her butterflies and would give her pretty sons and daughters. The main places they see eye to eye are height and maybe dick which is why those blackpills are more mainstream but men probably still put more emphasis on those than women do

The ironic part about mate guarding is that women can still exercise selection about who breeds. She can let a man "mate guard" her for a majority of the month and then sneak off for one day on her fertile window to get impregnated by another man.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Sexual dominance = everything

The relative importance of intra- and intersexual selection on human male sexually dimorphic traits

Recent evidence suggests that in sexual selection on human males, intrasexual competition plays a larger role than female choice. In a sample of men (…

www.sciencedirect.com

I read that study also.

How can it be in irl laycount, that a man that more women chose as more attractive looking. losses from a lesser attractive looking man( in women eyes) that is more domm/ masculine strong aggressive looking????


It's

female choice (what she finds most hot),
Vs
Mate guarding of a man (from other men)

Because, is my hypothesis.

1. Women in general are rather passive, and for sure passive compared to men. So, most women will not be pro-active enough in persuing men they find attractive. They will generally be to passive.

2. Domm masculine strong other men dominating type of men. Won't let environment, and other men much. Get in the way when they chat up, pursue women.
They will generally be less scared, and persue more women.
Where mister attractive but weak pretty boy. May not go up to alot of women due to (subconciou) fears in environment: what if shop security guard beats me, what if the guy next to her is her partner or over protective brother that is gonna get aggressive with me if I chat her up, what if .... (Etc . Fears). causing mister good looking, but not feeling strong, maybe to be rather passive.
While, mister strong guy with some MMA skills. He hasn't or limited above fears, and thus in these above scenarios does go chat up a woman. Because he doesn't fear the potential violence from other dudes it may cause. Causing, Mr. Strong to maybe chat up, to try, with 10 times more women .

causing mister strong to have higher irl laycount. Than better looking "weak" ma.
even though the better looking weak man, is more attractive, and will have a higher success rate from number of women her persues.
because a guy with 10% succes rate, that persues 10 women per year. Will still have a lower irl laycount, than a guy with a 3% success rate, that persues 100 women per year.

 

[Tonymontana]

I read that study also.

How can it be in irl laycount, that a man that more women chose as more attractive looking. losses from a lesser attractive looking man( in women eyes) that is more domm/ masculine strong aggressive looking????


It's

female choice (what she finds most hot),
Vs
Mate guarding of a man (from other men)

Because, is my hypothesis.

1. Women in general are rather passive, and for sure passive compared to men. So, most women will not be pro-active enough in persuing men they find attractive. They will generally be to passive.

2. Domm masculine strong other men dominating type of men. Won't let environment, and other men much. Get in the way when they chat up, pursue women.
They will generally be less scared, and persue more women.
Where mister attractive but weak pretty boy. May not go up to alot of women due to (subconciou) fears in environment: what if shop security guard beats me, what if the guy next to her is her partner or over protective brother that is gonna get aggressive with me if I chat her up, what if .... (Etc . Fears). causing mister good looking, but not feeling strong, maybe to be rather passive.
While, mister strong guy with some MMA skills. He hasn't or limited above fears, and thus in these above scenarios does go chat up a woman. Because he doesn't fear the potential violence from other dudes it may cause. Causing, Mr. Strong to maybe chat up, to try, with 10 times more women .

causing mister strong to have higher irl laycount. Than better looking "weak" ma.
even though the better looking weak man, is more attractive, and will have a higher success rate from number of women her persues.
because a guy with 10% succes rate, that persues 10 women per year. Will still have a lower irl laycount, than a guy with a 3% success rate, that persues 100 women per year.

Legit.

Guys who dont gymcel cant understand this concept because its something you have to experience for yourself.

When you put on an appreciable amount of muscle and size on your frame, the respect you gain from other men is completely different. You also develop a confidence that makes you more assertive, and less inhibited with social conflict. You're more likely to speak your mind, and do what you want without fear of repercussions.

Thats all outside the fact that a muscular physique on a man is equivalent to big tits and a fat ass on a woman. It's dimorphism, and if you think humans purely fuck off face, then you severely lack common sense or experience.

 

[Skywalker]

I’m not saying it’s useless - you just need to be lean and have some muscle definition like you lift. Anything beyond that is cope for attracting young and attractive women. Extra muscles and being hyper shredded will land you fitness freak girls, roasties and single moms - I’ve done tinder experiments and I’m 100% certain.

anything beyond this body is cope for your overall SMV
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do you undersatand why this is even the 5% of men
? most men will never reach beyond 18%?
this is ALREADY BB-TIER SUPER DUPER GYMMAXXED in the eyes of 99% of regular normie/ population

there is NO point of me continuing on this forum , cause its made of 99% AUTIST MENTALLY ILL larpers...
i mean DOES even 1 of you in this thread even get it thats ITS BODY on Tinder and NOT face, as in if you DONT have this body= 0 results , its COMPLETELY useless on tinder, if youre the machinist, aka good face but 0 body fat= skinny, lol