why do muslims want cristiano ronaldo to be a muslim so bad?

[SecularIslamist]

He's the only one who comes to mind after arab expansion.

Holy shit you literally don't know history.

 

[Deleted member 28691]

Holy shit you literally don't know history.

What history?

Umayyad calliphate was the peak of muslim expansion lol, after that they all got pushed back besides the ottoman turks, who were defeated too.

Arabs lost but they still prefer to live in their made up shisha tales lol.

 

[Deleted member 28691]

The trush is: Zion always wins.

Resistance is futile and pointless, you VILL host a congo bull in your house, you VILL eat ze bugs, you VILL be happy.

All hail the land of Zion, haliluya!

 

[SecularIslamist]

What history?

Umayyad calliphate was the peak of muslim expansion lol, after that they all got pushed back besides the ottoman turks, who were defeated too.

What the fuck you talking about Muslims were the most dominant political players up to the 19th century.

Yes Ottomans were defeated. But if Muslims were defeated after after 1300 years that's fine. Europe and western world was always a backward shit hole compared to it.

Islam predicts its own downfall anyway. Until it is resurrected before judgement day. Based.

 

[Bushman]

@JackTheKnife you know history better than me , i think he is wrong. is he?

Rashidun, Ummayad, Abbasid and Ottoman were mogger empires. They had pyrhicc losses only. 12/13 out of the 14 hundred year history Muslims were either one of the most dominant or dominant empires or sultanates.

Things turned to shit around 19th century.

Inb4 muh much crusaders (who failed), Mongols (who converted to Islam) etc.

The ummayad caliphate did not just suffer pyrrhic losses. Their dynasty was wiped out ironically by your list’s penultimate member after the Zab River. In addition, their campaigns in southern France floundered.

Abbasids were eventually pushed back by theRomans in the 10th century. Baghdad was obliterated by Mongols in the 12th century.

There are so many ottoman defeats after the 16th century, it’s almost comical,
Lepanto
Calugareni
Battle of the Raab
Second Siege of Vienna
Battle of zenta
Russian conquest of their Black Sea holdings

The British had to step in and save ottoman Palestine from Napoleon. He crushed them at the Battle of Mount Tabor.


Zenta(1697) was particularly humiliating, and it was far from a Pyrrhic victory for the Holy League. Prince Eugene drove an Ottoman army into the Tisza river, inflicting at least 20,000 casualties and capturing a staggering 160 guns; he only suffered about a thousand dead

 

[Deleted member 28691]

What the fuck you talking about Muslims were the most dominant political players up to the 19th century.

Yes Ottomans were defeated. But if Muslims were defeated after after 1300 years that's fine. Europe and western world was always a backward shit hole compared to it.

Islam predicts its own downfall anyway. Until it is resurrected before judgement day. Based.

West was always backwards shithole, yep, the same west where the steam machine was invented.

Be glad you are where you are, because if not for the backwards western shithole achievements you'd be some back breaking peasant/holop/chelyad working the fields in the scorching sun.

 

[SecularIslamist]

The ummayad caliphate did not just suffer pyrrhic losses. Their dynasty was wiped out ironically by your list’s penultimate member after the Zab River. In addition, their campaigns in southern France floundered.

Abbasids were eventually pushed back by theRomans in the 10th century. Baghdad was obliterated by Mongols in the 12th century.

There are so many ottoman defeats after the 16th century, it’s almost comical,
Lepanto
Calugareni
Battle of the Raab
Second Siege of Vienna
Battle of zenta
Russian conquest of their Black Sea holdings

The British had to step in and save ottoman Palestine from Napoleon. He crushed them at the Battle of Mount Tabor.


Zenta(1697) was particularly humiliating, and it was far from a Pyrrhic victory for the Holy League. Prince Eugene drove an Ottoman army into the Tisza river, inflicting at least 20,000 casualties and capturing staggering 160 guns; he only suffered about a thousand dead

Don't you realize who the 'bigger' power was in all this? Most of these battles were defensive from the non-Muslim side. Exception is perhaps the Mongol who had meteoric rise but converted anyway.

Europe had to unite and chip away at Ottomans since Vienna for nearly 400 years.

 

[SecularIslamist]

West was always backwards shithole, yep, the same west where the steam machine was invented.

Go back and read the timelines I was referring to.

 

[Deleted member 28691]

Go back and read the timelines I was referring to.

What timelines?

Sure, muslims had their scholarly golden age during the Abbasid caliphate, but did they capitalise on it?

Nope.

Also ottomans were already a neutered state at the beginning of the 19th century.

 

[SecularIslamist]

What timelines?

Sure, muslims had their scholarly golden age during the Abbasid caliphate, but did they capitalise on it?

Nope.

Also ottomans were already a neutered state at the beginning of the 19th century.

Answer this? Who were the biggest power in the world between Abbasid til 19th century?

JFL if you think it was Britain, France or America.

 

[Deleted member 28691]

Answer this? Who were the biggest power in the world between Abbasid til 19th century?

JFL if you think it was Britain, France or America.

Britain and France were already world powers in the 18th century.

What were the ottomans doing?

The same shit they did for hundreds od years aka selling slaves and controlling the spice trade?

Meanwhile le french and le anglo colonised americas together with the med moggers.

I don't understand this debate, for me, west has won, ottoman empire is no more, meanwhile the western countries still live, and are doing quite well.

Unlike the hyperinflation ridden turkey.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Britain and France were already world powers in the 18th century.

JFL they were in their infancy.

Also nice of you to ignore the years 650-1800. No answer here. Didn't think so.

What were the ottomans doing?

They were still an influence. In fact you say Britain - they only went to America because Muslims gave them the finger trying to access the East.

The same shit they did for hundreds od years aka selling slaves and controlling the spice trade?

Meanwhile le french and le anglo colonised americas together with the med moggers.

I don't understand this debate, for me, west has won, ottoman empire is no more, meanwhile the western countries still live, and are doing quite well.

Unlike the hyperinflation ridden turkey.

Yes the West has won now. But throughout the 1400 Islamic history Muslim powers were dominant for most of it until the last 150-200 years.

It's not an argument. It's literally a fact.

 

[Deleted member 28691]

JFL they were in their infancy.

Also nice of you to ignore the years 650-1800. No answer here. Didn't think so.

They were still an influence. In fact you say Britain - they only went to America because Muslims gave them the finger trying to access the East.

Yes the West has won now. But throughout the 1400 Islamic history Muslim powers were dominant for most of it until the last 150-200 years.

It's not an argument. It's literally a fact.

Dominant where.

They couldn't conquer Vienna that was on their doorstep, i don't understand the domination part.

Pushed out of spain, kept in check in eastern europe.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Dominant where.

They couldn't conquer Vienna that was on their doorstep, i don't understand the domination part.

Pushed out of spain, kept in check in eastern europe.

Lmao Spain - where Christians were the backward ones

Nigga stfu and stop coping even the most anti-Islam scholar agrees Muslims were the most dominant players on the world stage til modern age.

You are low IQ read a book (if you ever have).

What Went Wrong? The Clash Between Islam & Modernity in…

For many centuries, the world of Islam was in the foref…

www.goodreads.com

 

[Bushman]

Don't you realize who the 'bigger' power was in all this? Most of these battles were defensive from the non-Muslim side. Exception is perhaps the Mongol who had meteoric rise but converted anyway.

Europe had to unite and chip away at Ottomans since Vienna for nearly 400 years.

Several of the wars/battles I mentioned were offensive from the Christian side.

Zenta was the culmination of an offensive imperial campaign, nigga. Eugene even pivoted south and sacked Sarajevo.
The Habsburgs extracted a shit ton of ottoman territory from Karlowitz.


The idea that the past thousand years of history have been westerner’s religious struggle against a Muslim onslaught is a vast oversimplification
It’s not black and white Christianity vs Islam.
States wage war; Not Religions.
“Islamic” and “Christian” states have often allied with each other against their coreligionists for pragmatic gain.


Catholic France and Islamic Ottomans against Catholic Habsburgs.

Byzantines and Fatimids against Seljuks.

Abbasids and Franks against Umayyad Spain.

 

[Deleted member 23239]

Nigga stfu and stop coping even the most anti-Islam scholar agrees Muslims were the most dominant players on the world stage til modern age.

you know you lost the debate when you have to talk like this

 

[Deleted member 28691]

Lmao Spain - where Christians were the backward ones

Nigga stfu and stop coping even the most anti-Islam scholar agrees Muslims were the most dominant players on the world stage til modern age.

You are low IQ read a book (if you ever have).

What Went Wrong? The Clash Between Islam & Modernity in…

For many centuries, the world of Islam was in the foref…

www.goodreads.com

We were talking about great powers and not who was the smart one.

Not a good look for muslims if the dirty uneducated barbarian spanish kafirs eradicated muslim presence in Spain.

 

[SecularIslamist]

you know you lost the debate when you have to talk like this

Literally just prove my point by referring you to enemies of Islam.

Several of the wars/battles I mentioned were offensive from the Christian side.

Offensive against a bigger power.

Zenta was the culmination of an offensive imperial campaign, nigga. Eugene even pivoted south and sacked Sarajevo.
The Habsburgs extracted a shit ton of ottoman territory from Karlowitz.

Yes against a bigger power again.

The idea that the past thousand years of history has been westerner’s religious struggle against a Muslim onslaught is a vast oversimplification
It’s not black and white Christianity vs Islam.
States wage war; Not Religions.
“Islamic” and “Christian” states have often allied with each other against their coreligionists for pragmatic gain.

Yeah I agree actually. It's just @Ketamine and @Makhachev who can't see beyong Muslim vs Christians.

Orthodox supporting Muslims during Crusdas I thinks.

Catholic France and Islamic Ottomans against Catholic Habsburgs.

Byzantines and Fatimids against Seljuks.

Abbasids and Franks against Umayyad Spain.

Agree. Internal divisions and your enemies uniting together leads to losses.

 

[Deleted member 28691]

Literally just prove my point by referring you to enemies of Islam.


Offensive against a bigger power.

Yes against a bigger power again.

Yeah I agree actually. It's just @Ketamine and @Makhachev who can't see beyong Muslim vs Christians.

Orthodox supporting Muslims during Crusdas I thinks.

Agree. Internal divisions and your enemies uniting together leads to losses.

Wdym i can't see past religious cope, lol, warriors of my country frequently allied themselves with turks/tatars when it was needed, and as frequently waged war against them, raided them etc.

But keep making shit up lol.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Wdym i can't see past religious cope, lol, warriors of my country frequently allied themselves with turks/tatars when it was needed, and as frequently waged war against them, raided them etc.

But keep making shit up lol.

Your country? What small irrelevant country is this?

 

[Deleted member 28691]

Your country? What small irrelevant country is this?

War-torn country where the inflation is still lower than the turkey you suck off so much

 

[SecularIslamist]

War-torn country where the inflation is still lower than the turkey you suck off so much

Turkey was founded in kuffar principles. IDC about them. I only simp for Ottoman/Seljuk history because it kept Eurocucks awake at night for nearly a millennia.

 

[Deleted member 19911]

selling energy drinks is really so muslim? fighting half naked in front of millions , while ring girls walk around showing number of rounds?

Naw outside of MMA Khabib is the most halal out of all of them tbh he’s extremely conservative and isn’t just Muslim for show, the other niggas tho you mentioned are only Muslim for clout

 

[Deleted member 23239]

Naw outside of MMA Khabib is the most halal out of all of them tbh he’s extremely conservative and isn’t just Muslim for show, the other niggas tho you mentioned are only Muslim for clout

khabib is kafir coming from the most degenerate part of russia

 

[OGJBSLAYER]

What the fuck you talking about Muslims were the most dominant political players up to the 19th century.

Yes Ottomans were defeated. But if Muslims were defeated after after 1300 years that's fine. Europe and western world was always a backward shit hole compared to it.

Islam predicts its own downfall anyway. Until it is resurrected before judgement day. Based.

Lmao ... Do you anything about Reconquista ? You guys were chased out of Europe

The Mughal and Ottoman empire were declining powers from the 17th century onwards.

The truth is, Europe has cucked all the world for the past 500 years. Only untill now, the Chinese have gained the balls to challenge Whites. You Mudslims need to sit back, you clowns are abused dogs who complain about Islamophobia and Muslim genocide in India/Burma/Bosnia, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan 24/7

The richest Muslim nations rely on the west for military equipment. The strongest Muslim military power (Pakistan) is always begging IMF for loans and a loyal dog of China. Turkey is a partner of the west by being in NATO. What else have you got ?

 

[SecularIslamist]

Lmao ... Do you anything about Reconquista ? You guys were chased out of Europe

The Mughal and Ottoman empire were declining powers from the 17th century onwards.

The truth is, Europe has cucked all the world for the past 500 years. Only untill now, the Chinese have gained the balls to challenge Whites. You Mudslims need to sit back, you clowns are abused dogs who complain about Islamophobia and Muslim genocide in India/Burma/Bosnia, invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan 24/7

You're off by about 300 years and that's being generous.

Lol at saying Mughals and Ottomans were 'declining' that's just acknowledging they were moggers who conquered.

Yeah China / Id say BRICS is challenging US hegemony. Europe/West never really were the most dominant since end of cold war. Even in 20th century spent most of the time at war with each other JFL, and then opposition to soviets.

 

[Deleted member 19911]

khabib is kafir coming from the most degenerate part of russia

Ye true I respect him tho as a fighter and as a person for actually staying true to his religion. I generally hate Islam and think it’s fucking retarded but at least he doesn’t attempt to bastardize it like Andrew Tate who’s legit double digit IQ.

 

[Bushman]

Literally just prove my point by referring you to enemies of Islam.


Offensive against a bigger power.

Yes against a bigger power again.

Yeah I agree actually. It's just @Ketamine and @Makhachev who can't see beyong Muslim vs Christians.

Orthodox supporting Muslims during Crusdas I thinks.

Agree. Internal divisions and your enemies uniting together leads to losses.

I don’t think it’s accurate to portray the Great Turkish War in the 17th century as a David vs Goliath story. Through their Spanish branch, the Habsburgs governed a sizeable chunk of the world.
The Austrian Habsburgs held the Imperial title, and could raise a large armies from their subject German princes.


Framing Byzantine policy during the crusading era as orthodox and “blank religion” against “blank religion” is kinda flawed.
The Byzantines, despite all their religious flare, primarily fought for pragmatic reasons. Crusading was a an alien concept to them. In 1096, The Romans expected a secular mercenary army from the west, not a expedition of religious zealots.

When the orthodox Byzantines shortly allied
with the Islamic ayubbids during the third crusade, the Romans viewed their partnership as a secular alliance against unruly western nobles.

 

[Deleted member 23239]

Ye true I respect him tho as a fighter and as a person for actually staying true to his religion. I generally hate Islam and think it’s fucking retarded but at least he doesn’t attempt to bastardize it like Andrew Tate who’s legit double digit IQ.

he is not staying true to his religion...

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Turkey was founded in kuffar principles. IDC about them. I only simp for Ottoman/Seljuk history because it kept Eurocucks awake at night for nearly a millennia.

Rumelian army (Ottoman army in Europe) was almost entirely made from European (Slavic, Albanian and Greek) muslims.
It was not a middle easterner army like you are trying to portray it.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Rumelian army (Ottoman army in Europe) was almost entirely made from European (Slavic, Albanian and Greek) muslims.
It was not a middle easterner army like you are trying to portray it.

I'm not portraying it as anythign. IDC as long as they were fighting kuffar. IDC about origin, creed or nationality. Neither did the Ottomans.

Nationalism is cope and a secular ideology. I don't identify with that shit. Any kind of nationalism, whether it's Palestinian or Turkish nationalism it's all bullshit to me.

 

[JackTheKnife]

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[Deleted member 15866]

Islam is a totalitarian political ideology in the guise of a religion

I mean what do you expect? You want us to be like monks who sit in the temple all day?