Why do people have the impression that libertarianism will become degenerate?

[psychomandible]

I hear this alot but never got a real answer, why ?
@Whatever
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Tagging guys that I'm pretty sure said this and also libertarians (I think)

 

[Whatever]

It’s a stupid argument and the people making it are cowards and also ignorant. They project degeneracy onto freedom when really they should just look around and see that society is both less free and more degenerate than ever. They also don’t understand black markets, forbidden fruit effect, they just assume that the government banning things is an effective solution.

And what they really don’t understand when they propose making the government/state more fascist will solve society’s problems is that the government is a self serving entity. It doesn’t matter what type of government it claims to be. It will always serve itself, capital and power, it will never be truly loyal to the people/nation. Sometimes the best interests of the two can align, but it will only be a matter of time before the government has to choose between a course of action that benefits either itself or the people, in which case it is liable to betray the people every time.

Their argument comes from distrust of the wrong thing, they should be distrusting government, not freedom.

 

[romanstock]

i thought it already was

 

[psychomandible]

i thought it already was

We don't have anything close to it right now ?

 

[psychomandible]

It’s a stupid argument and the people making it are cowards and also ignorant. They project degeneracy onto freedom when really they should just look around and see that society is both less free and more degenerate than ever. They also don’t understand black markets, forbidden fruit effect, they just assume that the government banning things is an effective solution.

And what they really don’t understand when they propose that making the government/state more fascist is that the government is a self serving entity. It doesn’t matter what type of government it claims to be. It will always serve itself, capital and power, it will never be truly loyal to the people/nation. Sometimes the best interests of the two can align, but it will only be a matter of time before the government has to choose between a course of action that benefits either itself or the people, in which case it is liable to betray the people every time.

Their argument comes from distrust of the wrong thing, they should be distrusting government, not freedom.

I agree, I was going down that rabbit hole but when I looked at it from outside of the echo chamber I noticed alot of inconsistencies with the ideas of national socialism

 

[romanstock]

We don't have anything close to it right now ?

they always talk about free speech then get scared when they have to defend white nationalists right to free speech being trampled on by the govt and say nothing

 

[psychomandible]

they always talk about free speech then get scared when they have to defend white nationalists right to free speech being trampled on by the govt and say nothing

you can call yourself one but that does not mean you are one. I do not think you understand what I am asking

 

[gooner23]

I hear this alot but never got a real answer, why ?
@Whatever
@castizo_ascender
@CorinthianLOX
@Gargantuan
Tagging guys that I'm pretty sure said this and also libertarians (I think)

Only on reddit, but thats like every political party tbh, every like solid democrat from 2015 are moderate conservatives like trump, elon, yang were democrat and progressive at some point and offensive to conservatives from the past now they're role model conservatives politics a joke in general tho

 

[Deleted member 86046]

I hear this alot but never got a real answer, why ?

Humans are like any other animal, we dont have that much will-power in comparison to our instincts. The argument is that if you give most people the ability to have safe and cheap drugs then they most likely will use them even if they arent healthy (As an example candy and soda) on top of that, unhealthy industries could seek to promote bad products just for profit like cigarette companies used to do before.

(Thats just from what i understand from it)

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Literally the case for every liberal

 

[The Homelander]

I am a liberal

 

[Whatever]

I agree, I was going down that rabbit hole but when I looked at it from outside of the echo chamber I noticed alot of inconsistencies with the ideas of national socialism

Yes, the Nazis were a big government gone wrong. Even if the state is thriving enough to afford social programs, they're only a windfall that can and will be cut off at the government's discretion. And invading Poland, let alone Russia, was a stupid risk and showed how fascist governments ultimately don't care and view their own people's lives as expendable, drafting/enslaving/stealing Germany's young men away from their families and homes in Germany to go die on foreign soil at Hitler's whims.

And the innovation and inventions of 1930s Germany should be credited to the German people, not the Nazi government or because it was fascist. There is little to no good that you can ever credit a government for but plenty of bad.