Why do white niggas larp Greeks?

[Vannx]

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They were close to North Africans. You see dudes named Muhammad like this all the time.

True Atlantis descedant

 

[Ghoulish]

european meds are more similar to north europeans than to mena meds

no. english or germans are genetically closer to greeks than arabs are closer to greeks

 

[Ghoulish]

Levant arabs are mutted so could be
Actual arabian arabs are very distinct

Levantine Arabs arent even “Arabs”

Theyre just named that like English people are named Anglo Saxons despite being 75% Celtic on average. Theyre just named after their conquerors.

Levantines have always been closer and more connected to the Mediterranean than to the gulf peninsula. A Saudi Arabian is very different to a Greek but a Syrian or Palestinian is far more similar.

 

[JewishNationalist]

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slop chatgpt

 

[JewishNationalist]

Levant arabs are mutted so could be
Actual arabian arabs are very distinct

greeks are also mutted some of them are even 30% slavic

 

[Ghoulish]

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I'm sure the way things are going after Africa grows in popularity Whites would include North Indians just to pump up their numbers.

“Swedes are brown” -said Benjamin Franklin, with dark brown hair and hazel eyes

 

[0das0ky0]

Pretty sure ξανθήν means dirty blonde or slightly ginger

i know a dude whos half egyptian and half italian and irish who is dirty blonde

 

[bordan jarrett]

i think you are exaggarating a bit but i might just be biased

I've been to greece several times, like every other dude looks like this, or is obviously mixed.

if you told me these were pale indians I'd believe you.

Greeks also founded western civilisation as a whole, alongside the Romans. Western Europe would still be a shithole slum without both.

modern western civilization sucks, europeans were just fine when they were still worshipping trees, living in mud huts and fishing.

Also Greeks and Roman empires were forged from whatever scraps they had, northern and western euro empires came from all the natives being wiped by measles (up to 99% of the population) which gave them infinite resources, which was needed in the Industrial Revolution and the divide and conquer strategy the Brits used in India.

developing your society more doesn't make you superior sadly, if we're talking about how effective you're able to conquer people with minimal means then everyone just gets mogged by mongolians.

If the Western Europeans didnt have colonies, they would have stayed a shittier less melanated version of the easterm Mediterranean and the MENA as they were for the entire medieval era.

they still are depending on what you consider west europe.

 

[Ghoulish]

slop chatgpt
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Ok so according to this Jewish Tunisians are closer to Greeks than a Syrian or most Turks?

I absolutely despise this formatting btw every country is some weird shape and I have to look at a shape, then look for which one it is, then look and compare it to the last one I saw

Where is this from anyways

 

[diarrhetic]

I've been to greece several times, like every other dude looks like this, or is obviously mixed.

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if you told me these were pale indians I'd believe you.

What part of greece have you been to?Most greeks def do not look like that

 

[Hess]

From the 1700s onwards till the 2000s yeah. 300 years vs a thousand years.

Not true, the HRE was an extremely dominant force during medieval times, and germanic groups like the franks, saxons and normans were dominating even in that time period, not to mention all of the gothic architecture was uniquely germanic, not to mention that the franks had the carolingian empire and germanics were heavily expanding into central/eastern europe, as well as the french being extremely influential

And the only reason Northern Europe was able to do any of that stuff was due to the massive influx of silver from the Americas, which funded everythung, from the British divide and conquer strategy of paying off local Indian rulers, to the Industrial Revolution.

This is just false, majority of the intial wealth in the colonization of the americas was obtained by the spanish not northern europe, northern europe got it mostly indirectly due to the spanish borrowing lots of money from said northern euros, but even if this were the case what would this prove? that they effectively used the resources at their disposal while the southern euros that actually obtained it wasted it, all of this just shows the ingeniunity of the northern euros

And the only reason that was possible was from sheer luck of the natives dying from smallpox and measles in mass (up to 99% of the native population died from diseases) else the European colonisation would have ended the same as the failed Viking settlements, only reason the aztecs fell was because their entire leadership was dead including the emperor from disease and most it’s people were also dead and it’s economy was in collapse.

not really, whether smallpox was spread or not would have only slightly slowed things down, both southern and northern euros had advantages because they were smart enough to take advantage of native political alliances as well as reintroducing horses/cavalry warfare to the americas paired with their technological advantages, also idk why you brought this up since this also applies to your southern euro group did the exact same thing with diseases

Vs Mediterraneans (excluding iberians) having to forge their own empires from whatever scraps they had and still dominating for most of history. Also barbarian victories only come once the Roman Empire collapses and splits into two, eastern Roman Empire (the true heir of Rome) was untouchable for the Germanics

Southern europeans have not dominated history since the end of antiquity, I will give credit to the byzantines but you are vastly overestimating them when they were heavily challeneged by the normans who took sicilliy and southern italy from them and regularly attacked byzantine, not to mention the varangian guard was heavily reliant on norsemen, also not to mention constantinople was sacked by northern euros during the fourth crusade, byzantine was a decaying state delaying the inevitable, also not to mention that majority of rome was heavily reliant on germanic soldiers as well as the group that preserved majority of western roman instutions were the franks as well as groups like the visigothic and burgundians also preserving a huge chunk of roman law, and as for the collapse of western rome it was precisely because germanic barbarians were such a threat that lead to the sacking of rome, overall this just sounds like cope

 

[bordan jarrett]

What part of greece have you been to?Most greeks def do not look like that

coast or islands, I was on corfu last time, it was a shithole.

 

[Ghoulish]

developing your society more doesn't make you superior sadly, if we're talking about how effective you're able to conquer people with minimal means then everyone just gets mogged by mongolians.

Mongolians showed up when everyone was weak, outnumbered everyone in the Asian wars severely especially the Arabs in the siege of Baghdad, and then lose to Indians led by an Afghan and Egyptians led by a Turk despite having an objectively better army

 

[diarrhetic]

coast or islands, I was on corfu last time, it was a shithole.

Most greeks there are mixed or their skin is raped by the sun.People in Thesaloniki or patra would be a much better representation of greek people

 

[Hess]

Interesting perspective on western civilization

its the correct take, take one look at antiquity and western civilization and the two differ enough to be classified as different, spengler recognized this as the two civilizations have very differing philosophies despite them also deriving from similar sources

greeks are only mixed with slavs near macedonia

No it applies for a big chunk of mainland greece outside of the pontics iirc

 

[bordan jarrett]

Mongolians showed up when everyone was weak, outnumbered everyone in the Asian wars severely especially the Arabs in the siege of Baghdad, and then lose to Indians led by an Afghan and Egyptians led by a Turk despite having an objectively better army

romans literally got their asses kicked repeatedly by what were essentially just retards using farm tools and couldn't stop drowning in flood planes, every great army tends to do stupid shit.

 

[egyptiansub5]

Just two aryans looking at each other

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@Lightskin Ethnic @EuphoricAsianNormie @JewishNationalist @Jason Voorhees I need a debate not silence bro

thats me on the right

 

[bordan jarrett]

Most greeks there are mixed or their skin is raped by the sun.People in Thesaloniki or patra would be a much better representation of greek people

there were so many brits there, they've ruined every restaurant with their dietary preferences (chips with everything)

 

[Hess]

romans literally got their asses kicked repeatedly by what were essentially just retards using farm tools and couldn't stop drowning in flood planes, every great army tends to do stupid shit.

Roman empire was a lot like america today in that although it was a strong political force, it made a plethora of fuck ups that lead to its constant slow decline and decay, the roman republic was more admirable

 

[Ghoulish]

Not true, the HRE was an extremely dominant force during medieval times, and germanic groups like the franks, saxons and normans were dominating even in that time period, not to mention all of the gothic architecture was uniquely germanic, not to mention that the franks had the carolingian empire and germanics were heavily expanding into central/eastern europe, as well as the french being extremely influential

HRE was nothing comparable to any southern European or MENA nation. Hell, the crusades were literally every European nation including the HRE ganging up on a single Arab, Levantine, North African or Turkic nation and still getting their shit kicked most of the time. Meanwhile the Byzantines/romans had to hold them off in a 1v1.

This is just false, majority of the intial wealth in the colonization of the americas was obtained by the spanish not northern europe, northern europe got it mostly indirectly due to the spanish borrowing lots of money from said northern euros, but even if this were the case what would this prove? that they effectively used the resources at their disposal while the southern euros that actually obtained it wasted it, all of this just shows the ingeniunity of the northern euros

I said 1700s explicitly because that’s when the northern euros started getting masses of land in the Americas, and were fighting one another for it (which is a lot easier than fighting millions of armed natives) also a lot of Europe also technologically advanced due to Portuguese and Spanish wealth and development, caused by the Americas.

not really, whether smallpox was spread or not would have only slightly slowed things down, both southern and northern euros had advantages because they were smart enough to take advantage of native political alliances as well as reintroducing horses/cavalry warfare to the americas paired with their technological advantages, also idk why you brought this up since this also applies to your southern euro group did the exact same thing with diseases

By southern euro im not referring to Spaniards, they got destroyed by a much smaller Arab army and were ruled for 800 years. By southern I explicitly said apart from the Iberian peninsula.

I’ll answer the rest of ur stuff in more detail in a bit I gtg do smth I’ll be back in an hr or so

 

[bordan jarrett]

Roman empire was a lot like america today in that although it was a strong political force, it made a plethora of fuck ups that lead to its constant slow decline and decay, the roman republic was more admirable

jomsviking also got their entire army fucked by what were essentially just farmers at some point here too.

 

[diarrhetic]

its the correct take, take one look at antiquity and western civilization and the two differ enough to be classified as different, spengler recognized this as the two civilizations have very differing philosophies despite them also deriving from similar sources

No it applies for a big chunk of mainland greece outside of the pontics iirc

Looked it up and you are right on the slavic admixture.My fault g.Havent read spengler but might tbh.

there were so many brits there, they've ruined every restaurant with their dietary preferences (chips with everything)

Yea the tourist spots are shit and the brits just run around drunk breaking stuff and being absolute degens.I remember a year or two ago two pair of british( or some other westerners couples were having sex in public.

 

[JewishNationalist]

Ok so according to this Jewish Tunisians are closer to Greeks than a Syrian or most Turks?

I absolutely despise this formatting btw every country is some weird shape and I have to look at a shape, then look for which one it is, then look and compare it to the last one I saw

Where is this from anyways

i sampled their genetics here are results

and idk myself where is that map from, just do google research

 

[Hess]

HRE was nothing comparable to any southern European or MENA nation. Hell, the crusades were literally every European nation including the HRE ganging up on a single Arab, Levantine, North African or Turkic nation and still getting their shit kicked most of the time. Meanwhile the Byzantines/romans had to hold them off in a 1v1.

Just not true, the hohenstaufen emperors like frederick I of barbarossa and frederick II were consistently projecting substantial millitary power across europe and italy, and majority of german fiefdoms in the HRE participated extensively in the baltic crusades, italian wars as well as all the conflicts with hungary, poland, slavic peoples and within the HRE itself, also not to mention that majority of the time the crusades werent some ganging up but heavily conflicting with each other, the fact that the HRE was able to compete so heavily without even being a fully unified state shows the severe competence of them and their abillity to mobilize heavily into not only germany but into italy.

I said 1700s explicitly because that’s when the northern euros started getting masses of land in the Americas, and were fighting one another for it (which is a lot easier than fighting millions of armed natives) also a lot of Europe also technologically advanced due to Portuguese and Spanish wealth and development, caused by the Americas.

This is just the fault of your incompetence, you borrowed money heavily while northern europeans invested it far more, but even then this is such a stretch, the fact that such a tiny state like the dutch who didnt participate directly or get much wealth intially from the american conquest shows how much more competent they were and punching far more above their weight, but also not to mention european technological development in northern europe already had substantial roots that predate 1492 that were dependent on their instiutions, their scientific development and innovation they already had, the fact that the southern europeans were the first to gain access to all the silver and wealth just shows their incompetence in handling it, not that northern europeans were dependent on it

I’ll answer the rest of ur stuff in more detail in a bit I gtg do smth I’ll be back in an hr or so

The byzantines were decaying heavily already while northern europe was actively expanding into central/eastern europe as well as having a huge chunk of control over italy, trying to say the med was more dominant during the medieval time is just laugable, the byzantines were good for quite a bit but not enough to vastly out compete northern europe

 

[Saint Casanova]

there were so many brits there, they've ruined every restaurant with their dietary preferences (chips with everything)

Fucking pigskins can’t even enjoy med cuisine without their trash

 

[Hess]

Looked it up and you are right on the slavic admixture.My fault g.Havent read spengler but might tbh.

hes worth reading imo, he talks about how classical antiquity was driven by the apollonian soul and the characteristic image of that time was the individual human body existing in a bounded visible world with the greek ideal being essentially that what exists is what is immediately present, visible and bounded, western civilization however was driven by the faustian soul with its fundamental experience/image being infinite limitless space, the characteristic western image was not the body like antiquity but was the vast infinite horizon, with western europeans wanting to go beyond what already exists as opposed to classical civilization

 

[JewishNationalist]

There were varying degrees of barbarism tho

For example the thracians were explicitly looked down upon and considered very different. Same with the celts etc

The Persians were seen as an enemy but also seen with admiration. Greeks considered them advanced but still named them barbarians to consider thrm the other

But theyd still consider themselves more akin to the Persians than celts, although they aren’t Persians either.

But regardless this isnt my point, my point is that none of those races are the same as the Greeks and that northern and western euros should stop trying to fit the Greeks as the same as them.

tbh very cope. they considered northern barbarians as more stupid but more masculine and tough, while southern barbarians (persians) were considered higher iq but gay and effeminate. they despised the persians more

 

[diarrhetic]

hes worth reading imo, he talks about how classical antiquity was driven by the apollonian soul and the characteristic image of that time was the individual human body existing in a bounded visible world with the greek ideal being essentially that what exists is what is immediately present, visible and bounded, western civilization however was driven by the faustian soul with its fundamental experience/image being infinite limitless space, the characteristic western image was not the body like antiquity but was the vast infinite horizon, with western europeans wanting to go beyond what already exists as opposed to classical civilization

Sounds interesting and def agree on the fact that the faustian spirit was the reason of western european domination will def read.since you seem like a reader have you read any ernst junger?

 

[Hess]

Sounds interesting and def agree on the fact that the faustian spirit was the reason of western european domination will def read.since you seem like a reader have you read any ernst junger?

Read a bit of storm of steel but have not finished it yet, he is an interesting thinker though

 

[enviouss]

very informative thread mirin the effort

 

[diarrhetic]

Read a bit of storm of steel but have not finished it yet, he is an interesting thinker though

He was truly an interesting personality.He was a nationalist but also liked phychedelics

 

[Hess]

He was truly an interesting personality.He was a nationalist but also liked phychedelics

Interesting guy overall but his critique of the NSDAP is pretty shit and shows one of the bigger flaws with some of the old imperial prussian aristocracy as well as the conservative revolution in weimar

 

[Ghoulish]

tbh very cope. they considered northern barbarians as more stupid but more masculine and tough, while southern barbarians (persians) were considered higher iq but gay and effeminate. they despised the persians more

Persians were never considered effeminate and being gay was seen as a masculine in Greece. Youre referring to this one Roman guy I forgot his name who said Persians were effeminate for propaganda purposes.

Persians were portrayed as handsome and fearsome by the Greeks, heres some copy paste quotes

“Ancient Greek writers, such as Xenophon in his biographical work Cyropaedia, often praised Persian royalty for being remarkably handsome, well-built, and majestic in appearance”

“One account notes that the Persians were considered "a remarkably handsome people" with features described as "entirely of the... good features and expressive countenances"

 

[diarrhetic]

Interesting guy overall but his critique of the NSDAP is pretty shit and shows one of the bigger flaws with some of the old imperial prussian aristocracy as well as the conservative revolution in weimar

By critique of the NSDAP are you reffering to the expansionist goals or the fanaticism with race ?

 

[Hess]

By critique of the NSDAP are you reffering to the expansionist goals or the fanaticism with race ?

Mostly their critiques of race as well as a lot of junger's intellectual detachment and aesthetic isolation as well as his individualism