Why don’t incels.is users just take testosterone blockers?

[gamma]

Premarital and homosexual sex is bad because your sandy god said so? Not everyone believes this nonsense, and your moral demands are inherently totalitarian. All you can say is, "This is a sex crime!"


"It wasn't real conservatism" XD


Whose propaganda? You are repeating the Russian propaganda that persecutes sexual minorities and divides Western society. You are no different from the Russian government, which uses homophobic rhetoric to scare society with "degeneration"

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Yes, there are suicides before transition due to gender dysphoria and the persecution of transgender people by bigots like you. Here are some links to research that I know you won't read because all you don't like is "Jewish propaganda" or some other slogan:

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/ - Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence, Valeria P. Bustos, Samyd S. Bustos, Andres Mascaro, Gabriel Del Corral, Antonio J. Forte, Pedro Ciudad, Esther A. Kim, Howard N. Langstein, Oscar J. Manrique, 2021

2. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15532739.2011.675233 - Use of the Informed Consent Model in the Provision of Cross-Sex Hormone Therapy: A Survey of the Practices of Selected Clinics, Madeline B. Deutsch, 2012

3. https://epath.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Boof-of-abstracts-EPATH2019.pdf#page=139 - „Detransition rates in a national UK Gender Identity Clinic", Skye Davis, Stephan McIntyre, Craig Rypma w: „3rd biennal EPATH Conference InsideMatters. On Law, Ethics and Religion", 2019

4. https://www.nuffieldbioethics.org/a...cedures-Post-procedure-experiences-review.pdf - Literature review. Post-procedure experiences, Nuffield Bioethics, 2016

5. https://arthroplasty.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s42836-019-0007-3 - Patient satisfaction and total hip arthroplasty: a review, Lauren Okafor, Antonia F. Chen, 2019

6. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02303829 - Patient regrets after bilateral prophylactic mastectomy, Patrick I. Borgen, Arnold D. K. Hill, Katherine N. Tran, Kimberly J. Van Zee, Mary J. Massie, David Payne, Carina G. Biggs, 1998

7. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14768320601124899 - Regret associated with the decision for breast reconstruction: The association of negative body image, distress and surgery characteristics with decision regret, Joanne Sheehan, Kerry A. Sherman, Thomas Lam, John Boyages, 2005


"The more common adverse events associated with the use of aromatase inhibitors include decreased rate of bone maturation and growth, infertility, aggressive behavior, adrenal insufficiency, kidney failure, hair loss, and liver dysfunction"

You will never be a woman

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

You will never be a woman

Learn to read illiterate, because I never intended to be a woman.

Anyways, yes, how can you call yourself conservative if you're having premarital sex? Seems strange to me. Could it be that the real criteria you're using for a nation to be considered conservative is whether or not most of it's population identifies as Christian?

I am talking about conservative views. You can be a conservative and be a hypocrite. If someone has sex before marriage, but has a conservative views, then he is a conservative.

It's only too convenient that the most conservative nations you mentioned also have populations with some of the lowest socioeconomic statuses on earth by far. And the real reason people there aren't using condoms there is because they simply cannot afford them and they don't feel good.

Where there is poverty, there is conservatism.

Yeah, how many of those people who reported they didn't regret surgery will end up killing themselves anyways?

How does this relate to sexual orientation? If you bully these people, you will only increase the suicide rate among them. Scientists agree that there is nothing wrong with other sexual preferences, so I don't know why you feel like crusading against them.

I don't behave in a traditional way.

But you have conservative views - that's the point.

 

[Deleted member 12002]

Learn to read illiterate, because I never intended to be a woman.


I am talking about conservative views. You can be a conservative and be a hypocrite. If someone has sex before marriage, but has a conservative views, then he is a conservative.


Where there is poverty, there is conservatism.


How does this relate to sexual orientation? If you bully these people, you will only increase the suicide rate among them. Scientists agree that there is nothing wrong with other sexual preferences, so I don't know why you feel like crusading against them.


But you have conservative views - that's the point.

Yeah, but you're acting like the prevalence of folks in those nations not wearing condoms has to do with their conservative views when it's because of their socioeconomic status.

And yes, where there is poverty there is conservatism. People in the 3rd world don't have the luxury to be retarded. And you could also say for different reasons that where there is wealth there is conservatism.

Why do you point to scientists saying there's nothing wrong with different sexual preferences? What's with this false narrative that in order to know whether something simple is intrinsically right or wring you gotta put it under a microscope and bring out scientists who really have nothing more to offer than an opinion?

The majority of people, including myself, have no interest in bulling these people. There's no crusade against them. The crux of the matter is that nobody deep down is gonna ever accept someone with XY chromosomes as a woman. In their hearts they want to be women, but "trans-women" is the closest they'll ever get to being a woman. And it's ludicrous for anyone, including them, to pretend that there isn't a HUGE difference between a woman and a "trans-woman".

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Yeah, but you're acting like the prevalence of folks in those nations not wearing condoms has to do with their conservative views when it's because of their socioeconomic status.

Conservatism results from poverty, also from mental poverty.

And yes, where there is poverty there is conservatism. People in the 3rd world don't have the luxury to be retarded.

It is conservatism that is backwardness. Countries get richer by breaking traditional concepts.

And you could also say for different reasons that where there is wealth there is conservatism.

Give me examples of such countries and how many there are. The tendency is that the better the standard of living, the less conservative people are.

Why do you point to scientists saying there's nothing wrong with different sexual preferences? What's with this false narrative that in order to know whether something simple is intrinsically right or wring you gotta put it under a microscope and bring out scientists who really have nothing more to offer than an opinion?

You have the opinion - in addition, one that is based on faith, and therefore something unproven. There is no logical reason to use your morals. Scientists have the evidence, and you have cheap moralization with religion. Do you understand the difference?

The majority of people, including myself, have no interest in bulling these people. There's no crusade against them. The crux of the matter is that nobody deep down is gonna ever accept someone with XY chromosomes as a woman. In their hearts they want to be women, but "trans-women" is the closest they'll ever get to being a woman. And it's ludicrous for anyone, including them, to pretend that there isn't a HUGE difference between a woman and a "trans-woman".

Nobody is forcing you to sleep with them.

 

[Deleted member 12002]

Conservatism results from poverty, also from mental poverty.


It is conservatism that is backwardness. Countries get richer by breaking traditional concepts.


Give me examples of such countries and how many there are. The tendency is that the better the standard of living, the less conservative people are.


You have the opinion - in addition, one that is based on faith, and therefore something unproven. There is no logical reason to use your morals. Scientists have the evidence, and you have cheap moralization with religion. Do you understand the difference?


Nobody is forcing you to sleep with them.

If conservatism results from poverty then how come there are so many rich and powerful white anglo-saxon protestents?

You got it backwards. Countries begin to break away from conservatism after they get rich. Being degenerate is a luxury. That's always been the case. I take it history isn't really your strong suit.

My opinion isn't based on faith at all. Scientists can lead you down a marathon of mental gymastics till the cows come home, but the fact of the matter is the less conservstive you are the shorter your lifespan is on average.

My point wasn't about whether or not anybody was forcing me to sleep with them. What I'm trying to say is nobody deep down will ever accept them as women, most importantly they themselves.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

If conservatism results from poverty then how come there are so many rich and powerful white anglo-saxon protestents?

You got it backwards. Countries begin to break away from conservatism after they get rich.

Then the death of conservatism is inevitable. Even conservatism itself is evolving and is not the same as it used to be. Will there be a conservative who would like to restore monarchy, feudalism, serfdom? There are hardly any such people.

Being degenerate is a luxury. That's always been the case.

What does "degeneration" mean? I can't take you seriously xD

My opinion isn't based on faith at all.

And that's why you write me some stupid things like "muh degeneration"

My point wasn't about whether or not anybody was forcing me to sleep with them. What I'm trying to say is nobody deep down will ever accept them as women, most importantly they themselves.

It is not for you to judge.

 

[Deleted member 12002]

It is not for you to judge.

It's an assessment.

Anyways, why are you so against conservatism? It seens like you've got a deep hatred for the thing itself. I have to ask, are you Russian?

 

[vanillaicecream]

If you’re an incel rotting on .co why don’t you just take testosterone blockers? It seems like that would help a lot. That way you will kill your sex drive and maybe you will stop being angry about your lack of sex.

I started taking dutasteride and it totally nuked my sex drive but I’m actually a lot happier, I don’t even care that I’m an incel anymore!

I also take dutasteride but it didnt kill my sex drive. At all. Haha.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

I have to ask, are you Russian?

I am Polish.

Anyways, why are you so against conservatism?

It depends on what conservatism we are talking about. I praise the British Tories for their acceptance of sexual minorities and their general open-mindedness. I do not like conservatism, however, as in Russia - I associate it with totalitarianism, people are limited in freedom there under the pretext of fighting "degeneration", that government allows the construction of concentration camps for these people in Chechnya.

All these abuses of power were possible thanks to justifying this is a defense of tradition.

WHY AM I AGAINST CONSERVATISM?

1. ANDROCIDE​

I am against conservatism because it considers the life of utero-less people to be of less value. This is clearly seen in the example of Ukraine - women were allowed to evacuate, men were forced to fight. Someone will say that it is because men cannot get pregnant ... and I will say that it is a pointless argument, because never after the war in any country has anyone required women to bear children or return to their homeland, full of war devastation.

We no longer live in the Stone Age, and our scientists are close to developing artificial womb technology. Hence, it makes no sense to consider mine or yours as a life of less value than that of any woman. Times have changed, so if there are to be equal rights, there should also be equal obligations. If someone wants to live in a traditional relationship or fight a war - it's your choice, I don't mind but don't expect everyone to do the same.

2. WAGE-SLAVERY

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Chad has sex, the beta male has the so-called dead bed - even if he proves that the child is not his, he has to pay alimony. When women are financially dependent on men, this is the worst possible situation for inferior men. It would be much better for them to masturbate, go to a prostitute or fuck some sex doll. There is no real feeling or desire in a relationship like this - so it's worth nothing. The man only loses on it. He keeps telling himself otherwise to protect his sense of masculinity.

3. WHITEKNIGHTING

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Andrew DiKaiomata from Paul Elam's A Voice for Men wrote a lengthy post about how he thought tradcons were white knights, saying:

"This last one is probably the biggest point to show how feminism overlaps with traditional conservatism. It screams both at the same time. “Save the women!,” “Fight for women!."

4. SIMILARITY TO FEMINISM

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MRA's tend to criticize TradCons as to how they deal with criticism by shaming men, which bears striking resemblance to feminists. Just like feminists, they aim their insults almost exclusively at weak men and/or incels. Feminists will insult a man for being incel (aka not being able to sexually interest a woman enough for her to be around him) and "creepy" (i.e. ugly or unassertive). Tradcons will insult men who do not assert dominance (as "betas"), marcels, i.e. married men who fail to sexually satisfy their female partners, resulting in infidelity (as "cucks") alluding a cuckoldry where the man is so weak that he admits her wife the freedom to see other men. Traditional men tend to despise men who admit this freedom fearing once such behavior becomes normal, it would make it harder to mateguard their woman. Tradcons may also use the "cuck" and "beta" to insult white knights and other types of male feminist who display overly submissive and desperate behavior towards women.

A small but growing number of MGTOWs and MRAs have been complaining that their spaces have been overrun by trad-cons like Janet Bloomfield or "enabling" tradcons, like Karen Straughan does (allegedly), and that trad-cons are worse than feminists (which they also dislike) because they think trad-cons generally believe that men should exchange work for sex, and other 'anti-male' gender roles that put men in a slave-like position.