Why I left Islam (Muslimcels come debate me)

[muwahhid]

trash argument

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

To anyone who’s Muslim and wonders why people leave this 70 iq religion Here’s why


The scribe of Muhammad, Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Abi Sarh also the brother of Othman left Islam. The story is simple. After Muhammad preached for a decade and had no believers, he and his small group of followers were kicked out, and they went to Medina. Since Muhammad was illiterate, he needed a person to write down the Qur’an when revelations came down.


Everything was normal until one day Muhammad finished a verse, and Abdullah was breath-taken and said, “Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” (Tafsir al-Qurtubi/ Quran 23:14). Muhammad told him to write that down. This happened multiple times, and Abdullah thought to himself: if this is truly the word of God, then why is Muhammad taking suggestions from a man?


Anyway, after thinking, Abdullah decided to escape Medina, and he left Islam. Upon coming to Makkah, the people were furious at him. Since Muhammad’s followers used to loot caravans, they saw him as a traitor, and they told him, “Why should we let you back into the city?” He told them everything, saying Muhammad is a fraud and that “your religion is better than his.” He even told them the verses where Muhammad took suggestions. One of them is:



“Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators” — Surah Al-Mu’minun (23:14).

This line, according to historical accounts (see Tafsir al-Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir), was reportedly said by Abdullah and then included in the Qur’an, raising his doubts about the divine source.

After that, they let him back in. 5–6 years later, Muhammad gained enough followers and was able to conquer Mecca. He had a list of people he wanted executed even if they were clinging to the fabric of the Kaaba. The list included some women and men. After Muhammad’s soldiers entered Mecca, they immediately executed everyone on that list.



Abdullah was scared, and he hid until tensions went down. After that, Abdullah saw Othman, his foster brother (later a Caliph). Othman loving Abdullah as a brother, took him to Muhammad asking for forgiveness. Muhammad, out of respect, let Abdullah go if Othman wasn’t there, he probably would’ve killed him.



After Othman and Abdullah left, Muhammad spoke to his bodyguards, telling them, “Is there not a man amongst you who would’ve killed this guy?” And they told him, “O Prophet of Allah, how could we have known?”



Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Messenger of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a Prophet to have a treacherous eye.

(Sunan Abi Dawud 2683)

(Muslim cels before you say the Hadith is daif it’s Sahih graded by Sheikh Al Albani رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ one of the best scholars)

Many Muslims will claim that since he came back to the religion, this story shouldn’t matter but it’s far beyond that. Muhammad would’ve killed Abdullah if it wasn’t for Othman. Anyway, after this, Muhammad died a year or two later. Then Abdullah gained a lot of political power, and at some point, he was the governor of Egypt.


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@Jason Voorhees @Gengar @loyolaxavvierretard @Angutoid

I genuinely pity Muslims


They work so hard for a frud

They will die and see Jesus Christ and shit themselves knowing it was all a lie mohammeded was a lie . I feel so bad for them ngl

 

[muwahhid]

nigga worships a human

I genuinely pity Muslims


They work so hard for a frud

They will die and see Jesus Christ and shit themselves knowing it was all a lie mohammeded was a lie . I feel so bad for them ngl

 

[muwahhid]

Then you would have been the first non-degen salafi I’d have encountered. They lost a good one.

Yes following the Quran, Sunnah and Salaf is degeneracy saar

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

nigga worships a human

Oh and btw you worship Mohammed, according to him any dua is worship any salat. Guess what you do every time you do your Tashahud “Peace and blessings BE UPON YOUUU oh prophet”.

I worship god who became incarnate to let himself be truly known by us humans and to purity our nature, you worship a man called Mohammed who raped a 9yr old

 

[muwahhid]

View attachment 3698184 Why r hindus wrong for worshipping idols in the name of worshipping Brahma lmao, "ya ali" logic

Oh and btw you worship Mohammed, according to him any dua is worship any salat. Guess what you do every time you do your Tashahud “Peace and blessings BE UPON YOUUU oh prophet”.

Holy retard, making dua FOR someone and making dua TO something are entirely different concepts. Fucking low iq

I worship god who became incarnate to let himself be truly known by us humans and to purity our nature, you worship a man called Mohammed who raped a 9yr old

God needs to become a fallible fetus to be "truly known by humans" now? Depressing to see this cope. Anyways, no one's getting raped except the 50 shekel girls nigga. Gtfo

 

[muwahhid]

To anyone who’s Muslim and wonders why people leave this 70 iq religion Here’s why


The scribe of Muhammad, Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Abi Sarh also the brother of Othman left Islam. The story is simple. After Muhammad preached for a decade and had no believers, he and his small group of followers were kicked out, and they went to Medina. Since Muhammad was illiterate, he needed a person to write down the Qur’an when revelations came down.


Everything was normal until one day Muhammad finished a verse, and Abdullah was breath-taken and said, “Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” (Tafsir al-Qurtubi/ Quran 23:14). Muhammad told him to write that down. This happened multiple times, and Abdullah thought to himself: if this is truly the word of God, then why is Muhammad taking suggestions from a man?


Anyway, after thinking, Abdullah decided to escape Medina, and he left Islam. Upon coming to Makkah, the people were furious at him. Since Muhammad’s followers used to loot caravans, they saw him as a traitor, and they told him, “Why should we let you back into the city?” He told them everything, saying Muhammad is a fraud and that “your religion is better than his.” He even told them the verses where Muhammad took suggestions. One of them is:



“Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators” — Surah Al-Mu’minun (23:14).

This line, according to historical accounts (see Tafsir al-Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir), was reportedly said by Abdullah and then included in the Qur’an, raising his doubts about the divine source.

After that, they let him back in. 5–6 years later, Muhammad gained enough followers and was able to conquer Mecca. He had a list of people he wanted executed even if they were clinging to the fabric of the Kaaba. The list included some women and men. After Muhammad’s soldiers entered Mecca, they immediately executed everyone on that list.



Abdullah was scared, and he hid until tensions went down. After that, Abdullah saw Othman, his foster brother (later a Caliph). Othman loving Abdullah as a brother, took him to Muhammad asking for forgiveness. Muhammad, out of respect, let Abdullah go if Othman wasn’t there, he probably would’ve killed him.



After Othman and Abdullah left, Muhammad spoke to his bodyguards, telling them, “Is there not a man amongst you who would’ve killed this guy?” And they told him, “O Prophet of Allah, how could we have known?”



Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Messenger of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a Prophet to have a treacherous eye.

(Sunan Abi Dawud 2683)

(Muslim cels before you say the Hadith is daif it’s Sahih graded by Sheikh Al Albani رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ one of the best scholars)

Many Muslims will claim that since he came back to the religion, this story shouldn’t matter but it’s far beyond that. Muhammad would’ve killed Abdullah if it wasn’t for Othman. Anyway, after this, Muhammad died a year or two later. Then Abdullah gained a lot of political power, and at some point, he was the governor of Egypt.


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@Jason Voorhees @Gengar @loyolaxavvierretard @Angutoid

This entire argument is retarded cause the whole story about ibn sa'd is attributed to ibn abbas by AL KALBI, A MURTAD. the hadith u referenced is completely irrelevant, no muslim denies that the scribe apostated. Nigga copypasted ts off david wood the schizo, this has been refuted like 10 million times.
Even so, lets just go with ur narrative and say the whole event was true. How does that disprove islam lol? Does a line of speech being exactly in correlation with the revelation of Allah make the whole religion false or smth? Matter of fact, Umar radiallahu anh reverted cause in war he was trying to sneak up on the prophet salallahu alayhi wasallam, and heard the revelation of verses that corresponded EXACTLY to his thoughts at the time, being a miracle for him.
So nigga TLDR ur onto nothing and ur a retard gtfo. Islam is the haqq and always has been

 

[imontheloose]

Holy retard, making dua FOR someone and making dua TO something are entirely different concepts. Fucking low iq

God needs to become a fallible fetus to be "truly known by humans" now? Depressing to see this cope. Anyways, no one's getting raped except the 50 shekel girls nigga. Gtfo

@PrinceLuenLeoncur

 

[imontheloose]

This entire argument is retarded cause the whole story about ibn sa'd is attributed to ibn abbas by AL KALBI, A MURTAD. the hadith u referenced is completely irrelevant, no muslim denies that the scribe apostated. Nigga copypasted ts off david wood the schizo, this has been refuted like 10 million times.
Even so, lets just go with ur narrative and say the whole event was true. How does that disprove islam lol? Does a line of speech being exactly in correlation with the revelation of Allah make the whole religion false or smth? Matter of fact, Umar radiallahu anh reverted cause in war he was trying to sneak up on the prophet salallahu alayhi wasallam, and heard the revelation of verses that corresponded EXACTLY to his thoughts at the time, being a miracle for him.
So nigga TLDR ur onto nothing and ur a retard gtfo. Islam is the haqq and always has been

Isn't it so convenient that as soon as we mention there's a problem in Islamic literature, you all scramble to find someone anywhere in the passing of narrators you can discredit when it has been accepted for centuries beforehand?

Islam has no proof. You have no reason to call it the truth, point blank. If you believe fucking 9 year olds is totally fine, praying with leftover cum on yourself (after fucking Aisha BTW) is clean, and that Muhammad flew to heaven on a pony and split the moon... I need lest say more.

Even Shia Muslims, @shia.jihadist, reject your schizophrenia.

Islam is a vehicle for destruction. Bans drawing living organisms but permits fucking children.

@PrinceLuenLeoncur

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Holy retard, making dua FOR someone and making dua TO something are entirely different concepts. Fucking low iq

God needs to become a fallible fetus to be "truly known by humans" now? Depressing to see this cope. Anyways, no one's getting raped except the 50 shekel girls nigga. Gtfo

Not why god became incarnate you idiot. He did it to uplift human corrupted nature it’s called recapitulation, but the nuances are lost on you.

After all isn’t your pagan moon god the one that has already predestined what will happen and already decreed who he created to send to hell and heaven according to your Hadith and Quran? If Allah chooses to misguide who he wills and guide who he wants then why bother this “Test” as your gay cult calls it

Not much of a test when ShitLLAH has programmed every human to go to heaven or hell

YOU SAY PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON YOUUUUU UPON YOUUUUU that’s not making DUA FOR somebody that’s making DUA TOOOOO SOMEBODY YOU GAY MOHAMMEDEN



Here’s your own gay religious sites and Hadith proving you worship Mohammed and pray DIRECTLY to him

What to Say in Tashahhud - Islam Question & Answer

You can say one of the following wordings for Tashahhud: 1- At-tahiyyatu Lillahi was-salawatu wat-tayyibat, As-salamu `alayka ayyuhan-Nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu `alayna wa `ala `ibadillah As-salihin. Ash-hadu allaa ilaha illallah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan `abduhu wa...

islamqa.info

@PrinceLuenLeoncur

Cheers I put him in his place he’s a GAYHAMMODEN

 

[doxcine]

dumbass nigger bringing a weak hadith

 

[puniteking]

dumbass nigger bringing a weak hadith

It’s sahih cope lil bro

 

[Gengar]

Yes following the Quran, Sunnah and Salaf is degeneracy saar

“Saar, only the first 3 generations!!”

 

[doxcine]

It’s sahih cope lil bro

its not dumbass, yes he wasn't killed because of othman but the whole story of him writing shit he miss heard is garbage and weak and david wood nigger lying ass forgot to tell you that not every hadith in tafsur book is true, if you read the introduction it tells you to double check the authenticity of them

 

[newgen/cel]

holy dnr, atheism mogs everything else, its like blackpill, the brutal truth

 

[muwahhid]

It’s sahih cope lil bro

Just ignore my response nigga

 

[muwahhid]

holy dnr, atheism mogs everything else, its like blackpill, the brutal truth

Superiority complex from 0 rationality? "Yes saar I spawned in from darwinian evolution and big bang saar"

 

[muwahhid]

“Saar, only the first 3 generations!!”

Jahil falsemanhajcel, Ima make dua for ur guidance akhi

https://madeenah.com/wp-content/uploads/proof-for-following-the-way-of-the-salaf.pdf

 

[muwahhid]

Isn't it so convenient that as soon as we mention there's a problem in Islamic literature, you all scramble to find someone anywhere in the passing of narrators you can discredit when it has been accepted for centuries beforehand?

Are we deadass nigga? Hadith sciences are based on the chains of narrations of reliable and trustworthy people. If there's a single fabricator or liar or false report in the chain, it makes it weaker. In this case the whole thing was attributed to a well known fucking liar who muslims all takfir. Just because an ignorant scholar saw it and noted it in a book doesn't mean they necessarily agree with it, they wouldnt have known about al kalbi the way we do now. No one blind follows scholars if the evidence contradicts them

Islam has no proof. You have no reason to call it the truth, point blank. If you believe fucking 9 year olds is totally fine, praying with leftover cum on yourself (after fucking Aisha BTW) is clean, and that Muhammad flew to heaven on a pony and split the moon... I need lest say more.

Mostly ad hominem coping, anyways a miracle that defies bounds of logic doesnt make the religion false.. what. theres a reason its called a fucking MIRACLE retarded nigger. We dont use that as a proof in the modern day, because it cant be proven through objective evidence. It was a proof for the people receiving revelation at the time.

Even Shia Muslims, @shia.jihadist, reject your schizophrenia.

Idc ab shirkcels soz

Islam is a vehicle for destruction. Bans drawing living organisms but permits fucking children.

We're 100% consistent and unapologetic about our rulings unlike a certain religion

 

[muwahhid]

Not why god became incarnate you idiot. He did it to uplift human corrupted nature it’s called recapitulation, but the nuances are lost on you.

dnr, recycled coping niggas cant even prove im not god

After all isn’t your pagan moon god the one that has already predestined what will happen and already decreed who he created to send to hell and heaven according to your Hadith and Quran? If Allah chooses to misguide who he wills and guide who he wants then why bother this “Test” as your gay cult calls it

level 1 argument, just use ur brain. u have the freedom to do whatever u want, to do good or bad, the choices u would make were simply written down in the inscribed tablet beforehand. its a reflection of yourself.

Not much of a test when ShitLLAH has programmed every human to go to heaven or hell

again, allah gave us the freedom to do whatever we want, good or bad and to follow his guidance or not, unlike the angels. allah controls everything and the choices you would make are written, but its simply a reflection of what you were going to do anyway. the choices were always yours.

YOU SAY PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON YOUUUUU UPON YOUUUUU that’s not making DUA FOR somebody that’s making DUA TOOOOO SOMEBODY YOU GAY MOHAMMEDEN

r u fucking retarded nigger, dk if im bothered w this 2iqcel shi. is "peace be upon you" and "may allah send blessings upon you" etc doing any kind of istighaatha? its still inherently asking Allah to do something, pls use ur brain or stfu coper

Here’s your own gay religious sites and Hadith proving you worship Mohammed and pray DIRECTLY to him

What to Say in Tashahhud - Islam Question & Answer

You can say one of the following wordings for Tashahhud: 1- At-tahiyyatu Lillahi was-salawatu wat-tayyibat, As-salamu `alayka ayyuhan-Nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu `alayna wa `ala `ibadillah As-salihin. Ash-hadu allaa ilaha illallah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan `abduhu wa...

islamqa.info

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No one is denying we say "peace be upon you", how is that SHIRK nigga YOURE ASKING ALLAH TO SEND PEACE UPON SOMEONE U FUCKTARD

Cheers I put him in his place he’s a GAYHAMMODEN

No u just embarrassed urself please gtfo this site u troglodyte

 

[newgen/cel]

Superiority complex from 0 rationality? "Yes saar I spawned in from darwinian evolution and big bang saar"

dude if u genuinely think an all powerful all good god lets the jews mortar bomb ur people in gaza ur genuinely finished

 

[Sub5UglyMan]

Islam is the most obvious man made religion imo

 

[muwahhid]

prove

Islam is the most obvious man made religion imo

 

[muwahhid]

dude if u genuinely think an all powerful all good god lets the jews mortar bomb ur people in gaza ur genuinely finished

wym by "all good"

 

[doxcine]

dnr, recycled coping niggas cant even prove im not god


level 1 argument, just use ur brain. u have the freedom to do whatever u want, to do good or bad, the choices u would make were simply written down in the inscribed tablet beforehand. its a reflection of yourself.

again, allah gave us the freedom to do whatever we want, good or bad and to follow his guidance or not, unlike the angels. allah controls everything and the choices you would make are written, but its simply a reflection of what you were going to do anyway. the choices were always yours.

r u fucking retarded nigger, dk if im bothered w this 2iqcel shi. is "peace be upon you" and "may allah send blessings upon you" etc doing any kind of istighaatha? its still inherently asking Allah to do something, pls use ur brain or stfu coper


No one is denying we say "peace be upon you", how is that SHIRK nigga YOURE ASKING ALLAH TO SEND PEACE UPON SOMEONE U FUCKTARD


No u just embarrassed urself please gtfo this site u troglodyte

bro they are not looking for the truth, he clearly has an agenda and knows the hadith is weak

 

[Sub5UglyMan]

prove

Religious debates = low iq

 

[RecessedCel5]

It’s sahih cope lil bro

when did you leave islam. i doubt it was as easy as just hearing one argument.

 

[newgen/cel]

wym by "all good"

jfl dont even understand the qualities of the guy you claim to worship

 

[goodgenetic01]

To anyone who’s Muslim and wonders why people leave this 70 iq religion Here’s why


The scribe of Muhammad, Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Abi Sarh also the brother of Othman left Islam. The story is simple. After Muhammad preached for a decade and had no believers, he and his small group of followers were kicked out, and they went to Medina. Since Muhammad was illiterate, he needed a person to write down the Qur’an when revelations came down.


Everything was normal until one day Muhammad finished a verse, and Abdullah was breath-taken and said, “Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” (Tafsir al-Qurtubi/ Quran 23:14). Muhammad told him to write that down. This happened multiple times, and Abdullah thought to himself: if this is truly the word of God, then why is Muhammad taking suggestions from a man?


Anyway, after thinking, Abdullah decided to escape Medina, and he left Islam. Upon coming to Makkah, the people were furious at him. Since Muhammad’s followers used to loot caravans, they saw him as a traitor, and they told him, “Why should we let you back into the city?” He told them everything, saying Muhammad is a fraud and that “your religion is better than his.” He even told them the verses where Muhammad took suggestions. One of them is:



“Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators” — Surah Al-Mu’minun (23:14).

This line, according to historical accounts (see Tafsir al-Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir), was reportedly said by Abdullah and then included in the Qur’an, raising his doubts about the divine source.

After that, they let him back in. 5–6 years later, Muhammad gained enough followers and was able to conquer Mecca. He had a list of people he wanted executed even if they were clinging to the fabric of the Kaaba. The list included some women and men. After Muhammad’s soldiers entered Mecca, they immediately executed everyone on that list.



Abdullah was scared, and he hid until tensions went down. After that, Abdullah saw Othman, his foster brother (later a Caliph). Othman loving Abdullah as a brother, took him to Muhammad asking for forgiveness. Muhammad, out of respect, let Abdullah go if Othman wasn’t there, he probably would’ve killed him.



After Othman and Abdullah left, Muhammad spoke to his bodyguards, telling them, “Is there not a man amongst you who would’ve killed this guy?” And they told him, “O Prophet of Allah, how could we have known?”



Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Messenger of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a Prophet to have a treacherous eye.

(Sunan Abi Dawud 2683)

(Muslim cels before you say the Hadith is daif it’s Sahih graded by Sheikh Al Albani رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ one of the best scholars)

Many Muslims will claim that since he came back to the religion, this story shouldn’t matter but it’s far beyond that. Muhammad would’ve killed Abdullah if it wasn’t for Othman. Anyway, after this, Muhammad died a year or two later. Then Abdullah gained a lot of political power, and at some point, he was the governor of Egypt.


Some tags

@Jason Voorhees @Gengar @loyolaxavvierretard @Angutoid

No one gives af

 

[Specye]

To anyone who’s Muslim and wonders why people leave this 70 iq religion Here’s why


The scribe of Muhammad, Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Abi Sarh also the brother of Othman left Islam. The story is simple. After Muhammad preached for a decade and had no believers, he and his small group of followers were kicked out, and they went to Medina. Since Muhammad was illiterate, he needed a person to write down the Qur’an when revelations came down.


Everything was normal until one day Muhammad finished a verse, and Abdullah was breath-taken and said, “Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” (Tafsir al-Qurtubi/ Quran 23:14). Muhammad told him to write that down. This happened multiple times, and Abdullah thought to himself: if this is truly the word of God, then why is Muhammad taking suggestions from a man?


Anyway, after thinking, Abdullah decided to escape Medina, and he left Islam. Upon coming to Makkah, the people were furious at him. Since Muhammad’s followers used to loot caravans, they saw him as a traitor, and they told him, “Why should we let you back into the city?” He told them everything, saying Muhammad is a fraud and that “your religion is better than his.” He even told them the verses where Muhammad took suggestions. One of them is:



“Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators” — Surah Al-Mu’minun (23:14).

This line, according to historical accounts (see Tafsir al-Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir), was reportedly said by Abdullah and then included in the Qur’an, raising his doubts about the divine source.

After that, they let him back in. 5–6 years later, Muhammad gained enough followers and was able to conquer Mecca. He had a list of people he wanted executed even if they were clinging to the fabric of the Kaaba. The list included some women and men. After Muhammad’s soldiers entered Mecca, they immediately executed everyone on that list.



Abdullah was scared, and he hid until tensions went down. After that, Abdullah saw Othman, his foster brother (later a Caliph). Othman loving Abdullah as a brother, took him to Muhammad asking for forgiveness. Muhammad, out of respect, let Abdullah go if Othman wasn’t there, he probably would’ve killed him.



After Othman and Abdullah left, Muhammad spoke to his bodyguards, telling them, “Is there not a man amongst you who would’ve killed this guy?” And they told him, “O Prophet of Allah, how could we have known?”



Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Messenger of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a Prophet to have a treacherous eye.

(Sunan Abi Dawud 2683)

(Muslim cels before you say the Hadith is daif it’s Sahih graded by Sheikh Al Albani رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ one of the best scholars)

Many Muslims will claim that since he came back to the religion, this story shouldn’t matter but it’s far beyond that. Muhammad would’ve killed Abdullah if it wasn’t for Othman. Anyway, after this, Muhammad died a year or two later. Then Abdullah gained a lot of political power, and at some point, he was the governor of Egypt.


Some tags

@Jason Voorhees @Gengar @loyolaxavvierretard @Angutoid

Time to ChristMaxx pal