Why is a chin like this attractive? What is the scientific explanation?

[Uglybrazilian]

if a lion is asymmetric then something in his development went wrong. but you never see any. humans are so asymmetric in comparison because nobody is perfectly developed since we all grow up in shit environments.

we are all asymmetric and animals too, there's not such a thing as a perfect symmetric person, thats why symmetry is a bad way to have a clue about a person's health(and also why studies have never found a significant correlation between symmetry and health)

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Google it. There are several studies that prove that, and none of them have been debuked.

not true

 

[.*my*.]

we are all asymmetric and animals too, there's not such a thing as a perfect symmetric person, thats why symmetry is a bad way to have a clue about a person's health(and also why studies have never found a significant correlation between symmetry and health)

Are you just coping brah

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Are you just coping brah

?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

we are all asymmetric and animals too, there's not such a thing as a perfect symmetric person, thats why symmetry is a bad way to have a clue about a person's health(and also why studies have never found a significant correlation between symmetry and health)

the average person is definitely not this symmetrical

my point stands

 

[Uglybrazilian]

the average person is definitely not this symmetrical
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my point stands

I dont really know if monkeys are more symmetrical than humans on average, I cant conclude it just by looking at a picture + I dont even know how that has something to do with what we are discussing

 

[AutisticBeaner]

I dont really know if monkeys are more symmetrical than humans on average, I cant conclude it just by looking at a picture + I dont even know how that has something to do with what we are discussing

how do you not understand what this has to do with what we are discussing? i literally mentioned this exact thing. go on google and google any animal and you're gonna find that they're all much more symmetric on average. keep in mind this is how asymmetric the average human is if you point a camerae directly into his face:

 

[Uglybrazilian]

how do you not understand what this has to do with what we are discussing? i literally mentioned this exact thing. go on google and google any animal and you're gonna find that they're all much more symmetric on average. keep in mind this is how asymmetric the average human is if you point a camerae directly into his face:
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I dont know if they are more or less symmetric, maybe we are just better at spoting human assymmetries than we are at spoting monkey/animals assymetries(thats probably the case tbh)

a monkey probably wouldnt be able to notice as much asymmetries on a human being face as humans do

 

[AutisticBeaner]

I dont know if they are more or less symmetric, maybe we are just better at spoting human assymmetries than we are at spoting monkey/animals assymetries(thats probably the case tbh)

a monkey probably wouldnt be able to notice as much asymmetries on a human being face as humans do

no that is definitely not the case. that might be for other things concerning the face, but clearly asymmetry is objective. it is easy to tell, i don't know why you're purposely denying it.

 

[.*my*.]

no that is definitely not the case. that might be for other things concerning the face, but clearly asymmetry is objective. it is easy to tell, i don't know why you're purposely denying it.

Coping probably

 

[Uglybrazilian]

tbh my theory is that humans simply prefer symmetrical things
I like things to be symmetric, not only faces or bodies, but everything for me is better when its symmetric

thats just how humans are imo, it has nothing to do with health or genetics, its just how our brains are wired

much better to believe in this than believing in some pseudoscientific bullshit

 

[Uglybrazilian]

no that is definitely not the case. that might be for other things concerning the face, but clearly asymmetry is objective. it is easy to tell, i don't know why you're purposely denying it.

"no that is definitely not the case."

or maybe it is, we dont know brah im sorry I dont know why you are so emotionally attached to theories which have 0 to no empirical evidence

 

[AutisticBeaner]

"no that is definitely not the case."

or maybe it is, we dont know brah im sorry I dont know why you are so emotionally attached to theories which have 0 to no empirical evidence

i didn't say "no that is definitely not the case." about the whole theory, don't twist my words. i was simply talking about the fact that we're not better at determining asymmetry in humans than in other animals. you don't need any emperical to make that realization. asymmetry is OBJECTIVE you can MEASURE it. "maybe we are just better at spoting human assymmetries than we are at spoting monkey/animals assymetries" how does that make any sense at all? do you really not see this? stop running away from the truth

 

[Uglybrazilian]

i didn't say "no that is definitely not the case." about the whole theory, don't twist my words. i was simply talking about the fact that we're not better at determining asymmetry in humans than in other animals. you don't need any emperical to make that realization. asymmetry is OBJECTIVE you can MEASURE it. "maybe we are just better at spoting human assymmetries than we are at spoting monkey/animals assymetries" how does that make any sense at all? do you really not see this? stop running away from the truth

"i was simply talking about the fact that we're not better at determining asymmetry in humans than in other animals. you don't need any emperical to make that realization."

yes I fuckin need nigga, how can I know? before PSL I wasnt able to spot huge asymmetries even in humans, for example, before PSL I wasnt able to see Bradley Cooper's eye asymmetry which is borderline deformed

and stop saying things like "running away from the truth", this is not a fucking fight, we are just having a conversation as two normal person's, please stop treating this like a contest or something. we just seem to have different standards for accepting a theory

As I said before my guess is that symmetry is attractive cause its less complex and more pleasant for the brain to understand, I dont think it has to do with health because there's no empirical evidence for such a thing

At the end of the day it is what it is, symmetrical faces are more attractive it doesnt matter why

 

[SadnessWYJ]

I believe that browridge exist to both protect the eyes form sun etc and to absorb force created when chewing (if you chew gum you may feel it there, also people who reported bro rodge growth since starting chewing

 

[AutisticBeaner]

"i was simply talking about the fact that we're not better at determining asymmetry in humans than in other animals. you don't need any emperical to make that realization."

yes I fuckin need nigga, how can I know? before PSL I wasnt able to spot huge asymmetries even in humans, for example, before PSL I wasnt able to see Bradley Cooper's eye asymmetry which is borderline deformed

and stop saying things like "running away from the truth", this is not a fuck fight, we are just having a conversation as two normal person's, please stop treating this like a contest or something. we just seem to have different standards for accepting a theory

As I said before my guess is that symmetry is attractive cause its less complex and more pleasant for the brain to understand, I dont think it has to do with health because there's no empirical evidence for such a thing

At the end of the day it is what it is, symmetrical faces are more attractive

didn't you say there's no emperical evidence?

FACIAL ASYMMETRY IS NEGATIVELY RELATED TO CONDITION IN FEMALE MACAQUE MONKEYS

The face is an important visual trait in social communication across many species. In evolutionary terms there are large and obvious selective advantages in detecting healthy partners, both in terms of avoiding individuals with poor health to minimise ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Analysis revealed that facial asymmetry was negatively related to condition related health measures, with symmetric individuals being healthier than more asymmetric individuals.

why are you lying?

oh and guess how they determined asymmetry? they MEASURED it. because you can do that, despite what you seem to believe.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

I believe that browridge exist to both protect the eyes form sun etc and to absorb force created when chewing (if you chew gum you may feel it there, also people who reported bro rodge growth since starting chewing

also to absorb force from punches

 

[.*my*.]

also to absorb force from punches

Yeah I’ve absorbed a few in my time

 

[Deleted member 7863]

i didn't say "no that is definitely not the case." about the whole theory, don't twist my words. i was simply talking about the fact that we're not better at determining asymmetry in humans than in other animals. you don't need any emperical to make that realization. asymmetry is OBJECTIVE you can MEASURE it. "maybe we are just better at spoting human assymmetries than we are at spoting monkey/animals assymetries" how does that make any sense at all? do you really not see this? stop running away from the truth

but how does assymetry mean bad development , theres plenty of people who are 99% symmetric but still subhuman recessed trash

 

[AutisticBeaner]

but how does assymetry mean bad development , theres plenty of people who are 99% symmetric but still subhuman recessed trash

thats where the theory of craniofacial development comes in. the main cause of the asymmetry is most likely not genetic but environmental. i believe the asymmetries are mostly from mouthbreathing or soft diets. some get less asymmetric over time and some more.

 

[Uglybrazilian]

didn't you say there's no emperical evidence?

FACIAL ASYMMETRY IS NEGATIVELY RELATED TO CONDITION IN FEMALE MACAQUE MONKEYS

The face is an important visual trait in social communication across many species. In evolutionary terms there are large and obvious selective advantages in detecting healthy partners, both in terms of avoiding individuals with poor health to minimise ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

why are you lying?

oh and guess how they determined asymmetry? they MEASURED it. because you can do that, despite what you seem to believe.

You probably didnt even read the study you posted

The sample size is ridiculously small(93 monkeys) and only accounts for females
the same study has said: " Clearly, there are multiple ways to address health and it is difficult to define a true general measure of overall health in primates. While subjective ratings may be noisy and/or biased by expectations, objective measures are more difficult to obtain and reliance on self-report is prone to similar issues as subjective other ratings. "

This very study also states that its not clear if symmetry is even heritable, which would be another problem for the genetic hypothesis:" Likewise, if symmetry is linked to health then there are potential indirect benefits to offspring in terms of improved health, although the heritability of symmetry itself is debated "

thats consistent with the study I posted later that said that most studies that found correlations between health and symmetry were poor and not reliable

but the sole fact that you posted a study that you didnt even bother to read already shows that you are willing to do anything to "win" an argument instead of just having a normal conversation

 

[Deleted member 7863]

thats where the theory of craniofacial development comes in. the main cause of the asymmetry is most likely not genetic but environmental. i believe the asymmetries are mostly from mouthbreathing or soft diets. some get less asymmetric over time and some more.

every gl person with example huge zygos , has one cheekbone clearly stronger then the other. Assymetry is cope for 90% of humans

 

[AutisticBeaner]

every gl person with example huge zygos , has one cheekbone clearly stronger then the other. Assymetry is cope for 90% of humans

look at people that are really well developed, like top athletes.

you can still detect asymmetries, but this is like 99.99th percentile in terms of asymmetries compared to the average person, wouldn't you agree?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

You probably didnt even read the study you posted

The sample size is ridiculously small(93 monkeys) and only accounts for females
the same study has said: " Clearly, there are multiple ways to address health and it is difficult to define a true general measure of overall health in primates. While subjective ratings may be noisy and/or biased by expectations, objective measures are more difficult to obtain and reliance on self-report is prone to similar issues as subjective other ratings. "

This very study also states that its not clear if symmetry is even heritable, which would be another problem for the genetic hypothesis:" Likewise, if symmetry is linked to health then there are potential indirect benefits to offspring in terms of improved health, although the heritability of symmetry itself is debated "

thats consistent with the study I posted later that said that most studies that found correlations between health and symmetry were poor and not reliable

but the sole fact that you posted a study that you didnt even bother to read already shows that you are willing to do anything to "win" an argument instead of just having a normal conversation

alright, let's leave the argument here then. i'm not gonna convince no matter what i give you. but can you tell me why you really don't want this to be true?

 

[Deleted member 7863]

look at people that are really well developed, like top athletes.
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you can still detect asymmetries, but this is like 99.99th percentile in terms of asymmetries compared to the average person, wouldn't you agree?

yes but still zach cox is better looking

and he has noticably a stronger right side , better jaw and zygos .Symmetry is useless without other good features and pheno

 

[Uglybrazilian]

alright, let's leave the argument here then. i'm not gonna convince no matter what i give you. but can you tell me why you really don't want this to be true?

I dont have any reason to "dont want this to be true" as I do accept that symmetry is attractive, what difference would it make for me? if symmetry is attractive because of health or because its easier for our brains to process(my guess), what would change at the end of the day for me and you? I just dont believe in the health theory cause there's not enough evidence LOL

but you do seem to want your theory to be true, since you are here posting studies you didnt read just to win an argument which is not a healthy behaviour tbh, maybe your face is very asymmetrical

 

[AutisticBeaner]

yes but still zach cox is better looking View attachment 745373 and he has noticably a stronger right side , better jaw and zygos .Symmetry is useless without other good features and pheno

zach is better looking but i don't think he's better developed. and i'm not saying that symmetry is the essence of attractiveness or something, it's really not that important.

 

[Deleted member 7863]

zach is better looking but i don't think he's better developed. and i'm not saying that symmetry is the essence of attractiveness or something, it's really not that important.

ye the thing about beauty thats annoying is that its all luck , someone can have the shittiest enviroment like ramirez and still turn out insanely gl

 

[AutisticBeaner]

I dont have any reason to "dont want this to be true" as I do accept that symmetry is attractive, what difference would it make for me? if symmetry is attractive because of health or because its easier for our brains to process(my guess), what would change at the end of the day for me and you? I just dont believe in the health theory cause there's not enough evidence LOL

but you do seem to want your theory to be true, since you are here posting studies you didnt read just to win an argument which is not a healthy behaviour tbh, maybe your face is very asymmetrical

i haven't said that we find symmetry attractive necessarily because of it's connection to health, symmetry simply being nicer to look at might be a factor. all i have said is that symmetry is connected to health. do you understand the theory of craniofacial development? (the theory that says that we all develop in a certain way depending on our habits and our lifestyle (like mouth breathing and tough diets), mike mew talks about this a lot.

if my face were very asymmetric then why would i be pushing a theory that suggest that i'm very unhealthy? does that make sense? also, i did read the study, how are 93 monkeys not enough? you'd still be saying the same thing if it were 1000 monkeys.

 

[Uglybrazilian]

i haven't said that we find symmetry attractive necessarily because of it's connection to health, symmetry simply being nicer to look at might be a factor. all i have said is that symmetry is connected to health. do you understand the theory of craniofacial development? (the theory that says that we all develop in a certain way depending on our habits and our lifestyle (like mouth breathing and tough diets), mike mew talks about this a lot.

if my face were very asymmetric then why would i be pushing a theory that suggest that i'm very unhealthy? does that make sense? also, i did read the study, how are 93 monkeys not enough? you'd still be saying the same thing if it were 1000 monkeys.

Considering that asymmetry probably is not even heritable, it must be indeed true that asymmetries are caused by environmental factors, althought I dont know, I need to search for studies

"if my face were very asymmetric then why would i be pushing a theory that suggest that i'm very unhealthy? does that make sense?"

cause you think its true? why do you seem to think that supporting the theory x or y has something to do with personal reasons ? plus I was just kidding nigga relax

"how are 93 monkeys not enough? you'd still be saying the same thing if it were 1000 monkeys."

here is a quick read about the importance of sample size:https://www.iwh.on.ca/what-researchers-mean-by/sample-size-and-power

And if it was 1000 monkeys from both sexes I would probably change my mind, cause its a respectable sample size
the thing is that the only study about symmetry that had a respectable sample size(4k humans) didnt found any correlation with health

 

[AutisticBeaner]

I was just kidding nigga relax

that's really cheap, why do you think i'm not relaxed?

"how are 93 monkeys not enough? you'd still be saying the same thing if it were 1000 monkeys."

here is a quick read about the importance of sample size:https://www.iwh.on.ca/what-researchers-mean-by/sample-size-and-power

And if it was 1000 monkeys from both sexes I would probably change my mind, cause its a respectable sample size
the thing is that the only study about symmetry that had a respectable sample size(4k humans) didnt found any correlation with health

yes, sure, higher margin of error. so do you think this is just a coincidence or what?

again, why are you so adamant about this? everything is pointing toward it.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Well there’s still a reason why chins like that are attractive. Everything that we find attractive has a survival reason.

Not everything that's perceived to be attractive has a survival reason lol. Light eyes are universally attractive what functional purpose do they have outside of few light deprived regions.

They are actually dysgenic in tropical areas same with lightskin. The highest cases of skin cancer are in Australia and New Zealand for a reason.

Skin cancer statistics | World Cancer Research Fund

The latest statistics on skin cancer rates globally. Skin cancer is the 17th most common cancer worldwide. It is the 14th most common cancer in men and the 14th most common cancer in women.

www.wcrf.org

 

[.*my*.]

Not everything that's perceived to be attractive has a survival reason lol. Light eyes are universally attractive what functional purpose do they have outside of few light deprived regions.

They are actually dysgenic in tropical areas same with lightskin. The highest cases of skin cancer are in Australia and New Zealand for a reason.

Skin cancer statistics | World Cancer Research Fund

The latest statistics on skin cancer rates globally. Skin cancer is the 17th most common cancer worldwide. It is the 14th most common cancer in men and the 14th most common cancer in women.

www.wcrf.org

“Lighter eyes, such as blue or green eyes, have less pigment in the iris, which leaves the iris more translucent and lets more light into the eye. This means that light-eyed people tend to have slightly better night vision than dark-eyed people.”

Here’s one reason. It’s not a big time reason but still. It’s enough to prefer blue and green eyes over dark eyes.

 

[Deleted member 5189]

INVENTOR OF THE CLEFTCHINPILL

 

[Uglybrazilian]

that's really cheap, why do you think i'm not relaxed?

yes, sure, higher margin of error. so do you think this is just a coincidence or what?
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again, why are you so adamant about this? everything is pointing toward it.

"that's really cheap, why do you think i'm not relaxed?"
you dont seem to be

"yes, sure, higher margin of error. so do you think this is just a coincidence or what?"

a bigger sample size would be more suited because it can augment or reduce the power of a correlation, do you think that it was just a coincidence that a study with 4k humans didnt found any correlation?
I dont really think that "everything" is pointing torwards it, thats what you believe, not what is true

 

[Deleted member 6273]

“Lighter eyes, such as blue or green eyes, have less pigment in the iris, which leaves the iris more translucent and lets more light into the eye. This means that light-eyed people tend to have slightly better night vision than dark-eyed people.”

Here’s one reason. It’s not a big time reason but still. It’s enough to prefer blue and green eyes.

Those eyes hinder vision during the day time they are dysgenic in tropical areas with alot of sunshine. They also are more susceptible to developing cancer.

Question is why do people in tropical regions prefer lighter skin and lighter eyes if they are definitely dysgenic.

There's a reason they didn't naturally pop up in those regions through natural selection.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

"that's really cheap, why do you think i'm not relaxed?"
you dont seem to be

why not?

a bigger sample size would be more suited because it can augment or reduce the power of a correlation, do you think that it was just a coincidence that a study with 4k humans didnt found any correlation?
I dont really think that "everything" is pointing torwards it, thats what you believe, not what is true

well, everything except for this one study that you keep mentioning

you know the reason why i asked you about the theory of craniofacial developement is because that theory gives you the answer for why asymmetry is connected to worse health.

 

[Uglybrazilian]

why not?

well, everything except for this one study that you keep mentioning

you know the reason why i asked you about the theory of craniofacial developement is because that theory gives you the answer for why asymmetry is connected to worse health.

Why Is Symmetry So Sexy? It Has Nothing to Do with Health

Do healthy people have attractive, symmetrical faces? New research suggests there is no link.

www.livescience.com

just take a look at this: "

In the new study, researchers examined 4,732 British 15- and 16-year-olds whose health had been tracked since birth as part of the United Kingdom's Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children.



The researchers analyzed three-dimensional scans of teens' faces, looking for symmetry, and compared those findings to health measures including birth weight, childhood health problems, body mass index (BMI) and even IQ at age 8.




The results showed no links between health and facial symmetry. Asymmetry was not related to more childhood ailments, nor to a lower birth weight or higher BMI, Pound told Live Science. Low birth weight and high BMI have each been linked with numerous health problems.


"

the sample size is excelent: 4372, the biggest ever in all studies about symmetry

the methodology is also great, since they tracked the lives of those 16 years old teenagers since they were kids
and no correlation between symmetry and health was found

do you really think I have some kind of problem just because I choose to believe in the results of such great, perfect study? do you really think everything is "pointing torwards it" when the best science we have contradicted those beliefs?

 

[Deleted member 6273]

I believe that browridge exist to both protect the eyes form sun etc and to absorb force created when chewing (if you chew gum you may feel it there, also people who reported bro rodge growth since starting chewing

Browridge just emanated from archaic ad mixture especially Neanderthals. Their is no proof it was selected for because it has a functional reason.

Also blacks especially in the savannah region didn't develop browridges despite extremely bright sunlight because they don't have Neanderthal ad mixture.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

also to absorb force from punches

No

 

[SadnessWYJ]

Browridge just emanated from archaic ad mixture especially Neanderthals. Their is no proof it was selected for because it has a functional reason.

Also blacks especially in the savannah region didn't develop browridges despite extremely bright sunlight because they don't have Neanderthal ad mixture.

I see,surivial rate and chewing force coper btfo

 

[AutisticBeaner]

No

it does absorb force from punches though

 

[Deleted member 6273]

it does absorb force from punches though

What I meant is that it didn't develop to absorb force from punches. It's just inherited from archaic ad mixture especially Neanderthal.

 

[Eduardo DOV]

because indicates stronger bone mass??
of course it just indicates, not always the case the chin mogger has other strong features

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Why Is Symmetry So Sexy? It Has Nothing to Do with Health

Do healthy people have attractive, symmetrical faces? New research suggests there is no link.

www.livescience.com

just take a look at this: "

In the new study, researchers examined 4,732 British 15- and 16-year-olds whose health had been tracked since birth as part of the United Kingdom's Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children.



The researchers analyzed three-dimensional scans of teens' faces, looking for symmetry, and compared those findings to health measures including birth weight, childhood health problems, body mass index (BMI) and even IQ at age 8.




The results showed no links between health and facial symmetry. Asymmetry was not related to more childhood ailments, nor to a lower birth weight or higher BMI, Pound told Live Science. Low birth weight and high BMI have each been linked with numerous health problems.


"

the sample size is excelent: 4372, the biggest ever in all studies about symmetry

the methodology is also great, since they tracked the lives of those 16 years old teenagers since they were kids
and no correlation between symmetry and health was found

do you really think I have some kind of problem just because I choose to believe in the results of such great, perfect study? do you really think everything is "pointing torwards it" when the best science we have contradicted those beliefs?

everything except this one single study is pointing toward it.

look all i know is that bad facial development is connected to asymmetry and bad facial development is also connected to bad health, that's why i'm so convinced. it could be that most of those health disadvantages only become noticable in later life, maybe that's why your study doesn't show it. also, the study sounds like it's looking for something genetic. birth weight, childhood health problems and bmi at age 8 all aren't stuff that i'm suggesting is connected to asymmetry. do you have studies on cardiovascular problems with people that are a bit older?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

What I meant is that it didn't develop to absorb force from punches. It's just inherited from archaic ad mixture especially Neanderthal.

yea but our browridges look quite a bit different from the browridge of neanderthals and also from the ancestors of homo sapiens, so they must have developed in some way.

 

[Uglybrazilian]

everything except this one single study is pointing toward it.

look all i know is that bad facial development is connected to asymmetry and bad facial development is also connected to bad health, that's why i'm so convinced. it could be that most of those health disadvantages only become noticable in later life, maybe that's why your study doesn't show it. also, the study sounds like it's looking for something genetic. birth weight, childhood health problems and bmi at age 8 all aren't stuff that i'm suggesting is connected to asymmetry. do you have studies on cardiovascular problems with people that are a bit older?

"everything except this one single study is pointing toward it."
No, there's other studies that concluded absolute 0 correlation but they used small sample sizes and have some methodology problems so I wont use them as an argument

"it could be that most of those health disadvantages only become noticable in later life, maybe that's why your study doesn't show it. also, the study sounds like it's looking for something genetic."

It can be, but we dont know so I stick to the current evidence. Also, it does make sense that the study is looking for something genetic, since non-genetic traits are unlikely to create mating pressures, since your offspring wont inherit them. That's another heavy blow on the symmetry-health theory, cause if symmetry is not heritable, it does not make sense to select based on it

"do you have studies on cardiovascular problems with people that are a bit older?"

I have never read any study on this particular subject

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Also, it does make sense that the study is looking for something genetic, since non-genetic traits are unlikely to create mating pressures, since your offspring wont inherit them.

why do recessed faces turn women off so much then?

 

[Uglybrazilian]

why do recessed faces turn women off so much then?

I think recession is indeed a sign of bad genetics/health(but Im not sure), so thats why is not attractive

But for some reason there's recessed people with normal symmetry and people with great bones and borderline deformed symmetry

Imo symmetry is a completely different subject than bones/development

Thats why I think the theory that symmetry is more attractive cause its easier for the brain is more smart than the symmetry-health hypothesis, cause it would explain not only why we find more symmetrical faces attractive, but also why we find almost everything that is symmetrical(art, buildings etc) more appealing than asymmetrical things

 

[AutisticBeaner]

I think recession is indeed a sign of bad genetics/health(but Im not sure), so thats why is not attractive

But for some reason there's recessed people with normal symmetry and people with great bones and borderline deformed symmetry

Imo symmetry is a completely different subject than bones/development

Thats why I think the theory that symmetry is more attractive cause its easier for the brain is more smart than the symmetry-health hypothesis, cause it would explain not only why we find more symmetrical faces attractive, but also why we find almost everything that is symmetrical(art, buildings etc) more appealing than asymmetrical things

i know that asymmetry and recession are at least for the most part environmental, but the proof isn't so simple. i can tell you that most of it is caused by mouthbreathing and soft diets, for more information you should maybe check out mike mew's channel, or simply one of his presentations.