Uh "God" only makes my life worse
It seems like without Him your 'life sucks'
it genuinely is and you cant even make this up. My parents buy goyslop from costco and these apps like instagram and tiktok have been controlling me im too addicted to them. guess you controls these apps???Because of them
if i follow the wrong religion my parents will probably shame me and kick me out of the country. that will only make shit worse the current religion i am in right now (hinduism) is cope i genuinely just dont understand it maybe thats why.. what religion do you recommend
Very overrated coping mechanism, not everybody is dumb enough to be able to fool themselves into believing in god.
Islam - It has true monotheism and give life guidance to be content in this life and to succeed in the hereafter
Cope not everyone is dumb enough to believe everything came from nothing
what would believing in him acheive
Except atheists don't actually believe this
Its not about getting something - God is the logical neccessity of reality
What is is then if not that?
Cope its simple, not some sort of mystery - just because you're ignorant doesnt mean you have to force it onto me
Cope - Average atheist
"How is it guessing?"
We literally do not know, that's why you had to list 4 possibilities (the last one can be disregarded though)
Not at all, anybody is capable of living an extra fulfilling life without the idea of a god
MeBecause of them
Nice dodgeN*gga who is 'WE'?
I never said that - i said its the logical necessity of reality - not whether you can have a fulfilling life without God
Is there any proof of God without the need of citing the Quran
How are they unrelated?
Explain...
N*gga who is 'WE'?
Did you not read them?
Use your critical thinking now
-Creating itself is impossible since if you already exist, you dont need to create yourself - Its a contradiction
-Coming from nothing - nothing doesnt exist therefore theres noting to come from - also impossible
Since you disregarded the Eternal Universe - there is only 1 option left:
Coming from something - that something must inherently posses a few necessary attributes:
-Power/ability to bring every atom/planet/star etc into existence
-Knowledge to create the laws,constants and how to put them in place
-Will/choice to choose to do it since it chose to bring it in and could have not done it
Are you gonna respond or just say 'wE dOnT kNoW'?
I never said that - i said its the logical necessity of reality - not whether you can have a fulfilling life without God
I didnt - this is pure reason and logic
It’s cause you’re not chadlite bro
Thanks to my parents who both have recessed maxillas
i didnt cite any book - this is just logic and reason
No im just asking a question and I want to genuinely learn..
I'm referring to 'we' as in humanity as a whole
what?
Sure, this is a good argument.
Yes
No, because you're immideately assuming that its an alive being with self awareness and the ability to choose if it wants to do stuff or not.
I've responded, but once again:
Yeah it mentions lots:
How do you know that?
Yeah it is isnt it?
Ok something with no mind or choice could do it?
I wasnt talking about a religion though - that can be investigated after you accept a Creator exists first - which i demonstrated earlier.
More 'we dont know'
Time wasn't a thing before the universe though, since there was nothing before it at all. So there was no delay, we're just 13.8 Billion years down the timeline of it's creation.
Not really, probability/randomness is built into physics.
I am accepting that there was a cause for the universe's creation, but not that there was a sentient creator.
Yes, because we're debating based on very limited knowledge of how the universe works itself, we could be called idiots and retards in 3000 years when we discover something ground-breaking and compared to cavemen.
Yeah it means that the cause is not affected by Time like we are
Randomness comes from our ignorance of hidden variables and factors, not from Nature itself.
Ok nice but i explained why it must posses sentience necessarily earlier.
Logic & math are timeless, but aren't sentient or make decisions.
What? This supports the thing you've been shittalking me using this entire time, you literally just admitted that our current models use probabilities as tools because...
Yeah they are not physical things and cant make decisions - they require a mind to conceptualise
No, it seems like a misunderstanding from your part -
Hmmm...
when did i force?
Red herring
He asked a few questions and i answered them lol
stop eating goyslop nigger, go for a walk and forget abt ur responsibilities for a while
Again, not really.
There are studies debunking this, Here's two:
No, he asked how god would make his life better and you ignored that and just started saying god was a NEEDED part in life (with zero benefit).
this is also kinda weird to sayDestroyed
Yes really
No - you're not understandingThere are studies debunking this, Here's two:
https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.23.880Randomness exists, at least based on what we know.Bell's theorem - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
No i said its the logical necessity of reality
Cope
Your formatting has completely changed throughout the argument, you started using AI's signature "—"s and bolding your text.Yes really
Yeah but to describe the amount of apples and its number - a mind is needed to even describe it that there are 2
It’s true that two apples could exist in a box without anyone being present. But to describe that state as “two,” or to understand it as “1 +1=2,” requires a mind capable of conceptualising numbers, identity, and addition.
The apples are just physical objects, they don’t “know” they are 2, nor does the Universe label them that way. The concept of “2” is an abstract description, not a property of the apples themselves. Without a conscious observer, there are only objects, not quantities.
Which proves what i was saying
No - you're not understanding
You're proving my point lol
Quantum theory uses probability because our measurements disturb the system and limit what we can know — not because the universe itself behaves randomly.
The wavefunction evolves smoothly and deterministically according to the Schrödinger equation. The only “random” element appears when we observe the system — an effect of our incomplete knowledge, NOT the system’s intrinsic nature.
Bell’s theorem rules out local hidden variable theories, but not nonlocal or superdeterministic ones.
If the universe is nonlocal or correlations are built in from the start (as in superdeterminism), then quantum outcomes are entirely determined — just in a way that isn’t limited by classical, local causality.
Just because our equations include chance doesn’t mean the Universe itself runs on it.
Its not 'true randomness' just ignorance based on limited knowledge which is what i said EARLIER
Chance/randomness is just ignorace of factors that caused it - randomness from our perception NOT IN REALITY
I think you're agreeing with me but dont realise
No i said its the logical necessity of reality
Meaning that a Creator God is required for the Universe and everything to exist and without Him - nothing would
Cope
No I didnt — I bolded it so you can understand it bro so you dont misunderstand it like before
Cope — If you can't handle it, just say so lil bro
YeahNo I didnt — I bolded it so you can understand it bro so you dont misunderstand it like before
Cope — If you can't handle it, just say so lil bro
For sureHow do you know that?
Yeah it is isnt it?
No - it still falls under the categories that i mentioned
Ok something with no mind or choice could do it?
If you had no self awareness, (were braindead and in coma) could you reply to me? No,obviously not
If it cant happen with this small reply then its impossible for it to happen with the Universe...
Also, the Universe starting 13.8 billion years ago is proof of self awareness
since if the cause of the Universe didnt have a choice/awareness, the Universe would have been eternally existing -this delay proves a choice was made - only minds can make decisions to act.
Coincidents/chance just means ignorance of the variables
If i knew the factors of flipping a coin e.g the force,air resistance etc then i would be able to get the perfect flip every time
So when you say the Universe came by a coincidence - you are saying 'the Universe came from ignorance of the factors that caused it'
Which is a retarded statement isnt it?
I wasnt talking about a religion though - that can be investigated after you accept a Creator exists first - which i demonstrated earlier.
More 'we dont know'
Already explained coincidences - they are not creative forces - just ignorance of the variables...
...Yes really
Yeah but to describe the amount of apples and its number - a mind is needed to even describe it that there are 2
It’s true that two apples could exist in a box without anyone being present. But to describe that state as “two,” or to understand it as “1 +1=2,” requires a mind capable of conceptualising numbers, identity, and addition.
The apples are just physical objects, they don’t “know” they are 2, nor does the Universe label them that way. The concept of “2” is an abstract description, not a property of the apples themselves. Without a conscious observer, there are only objects, not quantities.
Which proves what i was saying
No - you're not understanding
You're proving my point lol
Quantum theory uses probability because our measurements disturb the system and limit what we can know — not because the universe itself behaves randomly.
The wavefunction evolves smoothly and deterministically according to the Schrödinger equation. The only “random” element appears when we observe the system — an effect of our incomplete knowledge, NOT the system’s intrinsic nature.
Bell’s theorem rules out local hidden variable theories, but not nonlocal or superdeterministic ones.
If the universe is nonlocal or correlations are built in from the start (as in superdeterminism), then quantum outcomes are entirely determined — just in a way that isn’t limited by classical, local causality.
Just because our equations include chance doesn’t mean the Universe itself runs on it.
Its not 'true randomness' just ignorance based on limited knowledge which is what i said EARLIER
Chance/randomness is just ignorace of factors that caused it - randomness from our perception NOT IN REALITY
I think you're agreeing with me but dont realise
No i said its the logical necessity of reality
Meaning that a Creator God is required for the Universe and everything to exist and without Him - nothing would
Cope
If you wanna give up — Just say so
What is your counter argument?
Now you've embraced the formatting the AI has told you to use like a cuck.If you wanna give up — Just say so
You challenged the wrong N*gga
It's ok
We ALL make mistakes
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What is your counter argument?
To the numbers and randomness?
If you wanna conclude and say you learnt a few things - you can
The only thing I'm dodging is arguing with a retard who plugs chatgpt into his brain at night.
Which arguments lil bro? - I only used AI to get more knowledge on bells theory so I could refute the points you made on it about randomness — you even agreed which is why you didn't respond but said I was using AI.
What about the numbers bro? - you're dodging because you're going to have to admit it there is a 'timeless' mind which caused the Universe and that 'minds' are required to even conceptualise logic and math to even describe the state of 1+1=2.
Which means a sentient Creator exists but you wanna run and stay safe behind willful ignorance.
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go to sleep
jfl
God made your life be fucking grateful. Athiests when their nonbeliving ass doesnt get a billion dollars, a perfect life and solves world hunger after "praying" once.
Idk I just want to see proof of god even existing
Cause ur ugly or short
