Why is the first result so great and the second so underwhelming despite similar looking movements?

[DoctorLooksmax]

LTB to HTB in just a few mms of bone

Mid LTB to low MTB with sinilar movements

Both were clockwise rotation and maxillary downgraft with vertical genio- minimal linear advancement

Is this a phenotype pill?

 

[Deleted member 23558]

First one is strong ltb to weak mtb

Second is weak ltb to strong ltb

Stop falling for lighting angle and smile. You’re 24.

 

[Deleted member 23558]

Pussy so good has to safe that shit for lster

 

[Deleted member 17872]

First failo was lower third especially her chin. Second one's major failo was nose and eyes. Her lower third wasn't even that bad.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

First one is strong ltb to weak mtb

Second is weak ltb to strong ltb

Stop falling for lighting angle and smile. You’re 24.

Resting face also looks great and so did her profile and 3/4 in the other pics

No way is that girl below average post surgery unless you’re just heavily taxing her for short hair

 

[KingBetaTut]

This is why side profile is cope. I’ll cope with genio only thanks

 

[Deleted member 23558]

Resting face also looks great and so did her profile and 3/4 in the other pics

No way is that girl below average post surgery unless you’re just heavily taxing her for short hair

You are falling for phrno first one looks like an Indian girl in my neighbour terrace who watch me tan everyday. If girl in OP was Indian you’d give her weak ltb she looks weird and 0 sex appeal.

 

[Bashan]

First failo was lower third especially her chin. Second one's major failo was nose and eyes. Her lower third wasn't even that bad.

Is your nose a problem?

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

This is why side profile is cope. I’ll cope with genio only thanks

But maxillary downgraft effecrs the front HUGELY

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Where's the HTB

 

[Deleted member 25667]

But maxillary downgraft effecrs the front HUGELY

what does it even do, like lookswise? if youre moving the maxilla downwards does it not make the philtrum longer

 

[KingBetaTut]

what does it even do, like lookswise? if youre moving the maxilla downwards does it not make the philtrum longer

Mostly improves smile and makes lips fuller/less collapsed looking

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

what does it even do, like lookswise? if youre moving the maxilla downwards does it not make the philtrum longer

Lengthens the midface

 

[RazerGlazer]

This is why side profile is cope. I’ll cope with genio only thanks

side profile is also important.
imagine you going in a club and a foid sees your face only from profile. Automatically if you side profile is bad then you just missed a chance with her

 

[Deleted member 25667]

Mostly improves smile and makes lips fuller/less collapsed looking

Elab because wouldn't moving the maxilla forwards + ccw do the same thing

 

[KingBetaTut]

side profile is also important.
imagine you going in a club and a foid sees your face only from profile. Automatically if you side profile is bad then you just missed a chance with her

I mean you’re right but if you have to get a CCW bimax and it gives your a chimp lip and upturned nose then it detracts from your front which is your bread and butter alongside 3/4 view.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Elab because wouldn't moving the maxilla forwards + ccw do the same thing

It improves the smile if you have a lack of teeth show- if you’ve got a gummy smile then to improve smile you need CCW

 

[KingBetaTut]

Elab because wouldn't moving the maxilla forwards + ccw do the same thing

Teeth show in long faced people is usually gummy while short faced people have that low IQ look where even when fully smiling only half their teeth height shows due to lack for downward maxilla growth. The biggest ascensions from bimax have been CW rotation though.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

side profile is also important.
imagine you going in a club and a foid sees your face only from profile. Automatically if you side profile is bad then you just missed a chance with her

Unless severely recessed birdcel, side profile is cope for the most part
fyi this is what the "psl gods" look like from the side, unfrauded

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Teeth show in long faced people is usually gummy while short faced people have that low IQ look where even when fully smiling only half their teeth height shows due to lack for downward maxilla growth. The biggest ascensions from bimax have been CW rotation though.

I need like a 1.5mm downgraft on maxilla+ BSSO for overbite with a bit of CW on the mandible and maybeee a tiny vertical genio

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Unless severely recessed birdcel, side profile is cope for the most part
fyi this is what the "psl gods" look like from the side, unfrauded
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These aren’t Frankfurt plane

Also your point about birdcels is a bit irrelevant - if you’re a full on birdcel you’ll look like shit from the front too

 

[Deleted member 25667]

These aren’t Frankfurt plane

Also your point about birdcels is a bit irrelevant - if you’re a full on birdcel you’ll look like shit from the front too

Gandy's side is pretty unremarkable despite being declared as one of the most handsome guys of all time.

Closest to frankfurt plane I could find + birdcel-lite but doesnt look like shit from the front.

 

[makeme183]

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o pry is 6'4 ? but org told me he was 5'11 ....

 

[KingBetaTut]

These aren’t Frankfurt plane

Also your point about birdcels is a bit irrelevant - if you’re a full on birdcel you’ll look like shit from the front too

Have your consulted with surgeons yet? Pagnoni does free online ones

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Have your consulted with surgeons yet? Pagnoni does free online ones

I’ve spoke to birbe and ramieri

Speaking to another surgeon about genio in 2 weeks

Still on the fence to go genio or full bimax tbh

Obviously bimax will be way better but it’s hard to do when you’ve got a full time job etc to get the time off for recovery

 

[KingBetaTut]

I’ve spoke to birbe and ramieri

Speaking to another surgeon about genio in 2 weeks

Still on the fence to go genio or full bimax tbh

Obviously bimax will be way better but it’s hard to do when you’ve got a full time job etc to get the time off for recovery

How much for a ramieri consult?

 

[Deleted member 21044]

From MTB to MTB.

From LTB to LTB.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

How much for a ramieri consult?

150

He pretty much never does a genio solo so if you want that I wouldn’t bother consulting tbh

 

[Deleted member 16501]

worse nose and worse colouring

plus generally worse face shape and fat distribution in face- aka harmony

other chick's ceiling was way higher

 

[BoneDensity]

Stop falling for lighting angle and smile. You’re 24.

He's also British. The last time he's seen a non deformed woman was on a lads holiday abroad. Brits are the most desperate and whipped men in Europe.

 

[Deleted member 2382]

gingers have the worst genetic packages
they are just screwed on a base level not screwed by one or two failos