Why is there so many natty supporters here

[MacBurger]

People saying don’t hop on test at 18 unless u want ur balls to shrink, what are they talking about? That won’t happen if you do it properly, and if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months, also people on about u can’t get bone growth cause of plates muh, it increases ur bone density, which isn’t plate reliant so why tf are people saying ts?

 

[Marlow]

People saying don’t hop on test at 18 unless u want ur balls to shrink, what are they talking about? That won’t happen if you do it properly, and if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months, also people on about u can’t get bone growth cause of plates muh, it increases ur bone density, which isn’t plate reliant so why tf are people saying ts?

You ain't the first dumbass 18 year old who thought "If I just do everything right, nothing bad will happen to me"

JFL

 

[MacBurger]

You ain't the first dumbass 18 year old who thought "If I just do everything right, nothing bad will happen to me"

JFL

It seems like a cope by ugly fucks who aren’t willing to do it, so they say “muh you’ll bald and be infertile by 30 haha loser” to cope

 

[ghoulmania]

You ain't the first dumbass 18 year old who thought "If I just do everything right, nothing bad will happen to me"

JFL

yoooo marlow no AI slop guides today

 

[Marlow]

It seems like a cope by ugly fucks who aren’t willing to do it, so they say “muh you’ll bald and be infertile by 30 haha loser” to cope

Believe what you want with your non-existent Endocrinology knowledge

You got it all figured out

 

[MacBurger]

Believe what you want with your non-existent Endocrinology knowledge

Ok explain to me why a 18 year old shouldn’t hop on test

 

[Diyorldar]

Ok explain to me why a 18 year old shouldn’t hop on test

Your hpta isn't fully developed and neither is your brain

 

[MacBurger]

Your hpta isn't fully developed and neither is your brain

Now give me the reasons why a 18 year old should hop on

 

[bluem30]

Now give me the reasons why a 18 year old should hop on

halo dimo mog boiiiii

 

[MacBurger]

halo dimo mog boiiiii

Serious

 

[actualunderstander]

Well im a natty supporter cause I did it natty and it worked out great with no side effects of roids. But i may just have decent genes for building muscle cause some people literally have like 100 level test their whole lives and are like 120lbs naturally at 6 foot.

I also tell people cause if somebody doesnt atleast gain the discipline and experience to build a base physique naturally, they are going to go into the gym as a complete begginer and start blasting roids and wont know shit about working out or nutrition and will end up with roid muscles on a skinny, unworked frame. I can always tell who ended up using roids before ever lifting natty for atleast a year or two, cause they look like skinny dudes with anchor arms and have an unbalanced physique cause they dont know anything about programming a routine

 

[Outlander]

You ain't the first dumbass 18 year old who thought "If I just do everything right, nothing bad will happen to me"

JFL

 

[Vass]

People saying don’t hop on test at 18 unless u want ur balls to shrink, what are they talking about? That won’t happen if you do it properly, and if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months, also people on about u can’t get bone growth cause of plates muh, it increases ur bone density, which isn’t plate reliant so why tf are people saying ts?

Your balls will shrink and they are supposed to shrink if the testosterone is working properly. You can make it unshrink by taking HCG.

It seems like a cope by ugly fucks who aren’t willing to do it, so they say “muh you’ll bald and be infertile by 30 haha loser” to cope

You won't be infertile by 30. You'll be infertile in a few days. But also completely temporary. You'll definitely not go bald if you take the proper ancilleries.

 

[MacBurger]

Your balls will shrink and they are supposed to shrink if the testosterone is working properly. You can make it unshrink by taking HCG.


You won't be infertile by 30. You'll be infertile in a few days. But also completely temporary. You'll definitely not go bald if you take the proper ancilleries.

Hmm how is the infertility temporary, u mean u gain it back if I ever do pct or is it just what happens when u first pin, also if I notice hair shedding I’ll be ordering fin and dusteride immediately also, just a question, if my balls shrink and stay shrank for like a month or two will hcg still reverse it?

 

[Vass]

Hmm how is the infertility temporary

Exogenous testosterone suppresses your HPTA axis, which suppresses your natural testosterone production (doesn't matter since you're pinning it back), but it also suppresses your LH and FSH hormones which are responsible for creating testosterone. LH and FSH are also responsible for sperm production, so while pinning you'll have little to no sperm production. This isn't actually toxic to your sperm though, nor does it damage them, you just don't produce any.

When you stop pinning your natural production is no longer suppressed so you will start producing sperm again. In some cases people's natural production doesn't come back 100%. Personally I don't think this is a big issue, you're gonna be fine if you produce 50 million sperms instead of 100 million sperms a day . The bigger "issue" might be you'll just have lower testosterone. But pinning lifelong is totally an option.

u mean u gain it back if I ever do pct or is it just what happens when u first pin

PCT isn't necessary though it's a good idea since it helps your production recover better. You don't have to do PCT however, you can stay on test and pin HCG. This mimics LH and tells your testes to produce sperm, even if you're on test.

if I notice hair shedding I’ll be ordering fin and dusteride immediately

Ideally you want to be on dutasteride before it starts shedding. If you don't want to suppress your DHT (or if you're taking masteron or some highly androgenic roid), you can also use topical RU-58841 which is a topical androgen blocker. This only blocks DHT where you apply it.

if my balls shrink and stay shrank for like a month or two will hcg still reverse it?

Yes it can restore size, or if you take it the whole time it can maintain size

 

[MacBurger]

Exogenous testosterone suppresses your HPTA axis, which suppresses your natural testosterone production (doesn't matter since you're pinning it back), but it also suppresses your LH and FSH hormones which are responsible for creating testosterone. LH and FSH are also responsible for sperm production, so while pinning you'll have little to no sperm production. This isn't actually toxic to your sperm though, nor does it damage them, you just don't produce any.

When you stop pinning your natural production is no longer suppressed so you will start producing sperm again. In some cases people's natural production doesn't come back 100%. Personally I don't think this is a big issue, you're gonna be fine if you produce 50 million sperms instead of 100 million sperms a day . The bigger "issue" might be you'll just have lower testosterone. But pinning lifelong is totally an option.


PCT isn't necessary though it's a good idea since it helps your production recover better. You don't have to do PCT however, you can stay on test and pin HCG. This mimics LH and tells your testes to produce sperm, even if you're on test.


Ideally you want to be on dutasteride before it starts shedding. If you don't want to suppress your DHT (or if you're taking masteron or some highly androgenic roid), you can also use topical RU-58841 which is a topical androgen blocker. This only blocks DHT where you apply it.


Yes it can restore size, or if you take it the whole time it can maintain size

I see, I’m personally only doing 500mg test/week and gonna cruise on that, so some of these may not apply to me???

 

[nbfmyb]

will end up with roid muscles on a skinny, unworked frame

jfl

 

[Vass]

I see, I’m personally only doing 500mg test/week and gonna cruise on that, so some of these may not apply to me???

It 100% applies

Why would it not apply even people on 150/week will have almost complete suppression

 

[MacBurger]

It 100% applies

Why would it not apply even people on 150/week will have almost complete suppression

I meant more about the hair loss lol

 

[MacBurger]

Well im a natty supporter cause I did it natty and it worked out great with no side effects of roids. But i may just have decent genes for building muscle cause some people literally have like 100 level test their whole lives and are like 120lbs naturally at 6 foot.

I also tell people cause if somebody doesnt atleast gain the discipline and experience to build a base physique naturally, they are going to go into the gym as a complete begginer and start blasting roids and wont know shit about working out or nutrition and will end up with roid muscles on a skinny, unworked frame. I can always tell who ended up using roids before ever lifting natty for atleast a year or two, cause they look like skinny dudes with anchor arms and have an unbalanced physique cause they dont know anything about programming a routine

My starting frame is pretty decent, I had already been going to the gym 3-4 months before hopping on

 

[nbfmyb]

I meant more about the hair loss lol

its genetic, personally i dont think youll lose hair on just test but to be safe use topical dht blockers like ru58841

 

[Vass]

I meant more about the hair loss lol

It's not gonna happen instantly but it will happen sooner or later. 500mg isn't a low amount

If you are 20 years old+ hop on dutasteride

If you don't want to, I still recommend getting RU-58841 there's no reason not to, it's not systemic

 

[MacBurger]

It's not gonna happen instantly but it will happen sooner or later. 500mg isn't a low amount

If you are 20 years old+ hop on dutasteride

If you don't want to, I still recommend getting RU-58841 there's no reason not to, it's not systemic

Yeah I’m 18 haha

 

[MacBurger]

It's not gonna happen instantly but it will happen sooner or later. 500mg isn't a low amount

If you are 20 years old+ hop on dutasteride

If you don't want to, I still recommend getting RU-58841 there's no reason not to, it's not systemic

You mean this?

 

[Vass]

View attachment 4919699You mean this?

This gotta be a joke

Are you seriously buying research substances and amazon

This makes me wonder if your test you're pinning is real too

Also rep me nigga

 

[MacBurger]

This gotta be a joke

Are you seriously buying research substances and amazon

This makes me wonder if your test you're pinning is real too

Also rep me nigga

Jfl I’m trolling, I’ll js buy off indiamart or wwb

 

[Sub->CL]

unworked frame

Yup, this nigger's retarded

 

[MacBurger]

This gotta be a joke

Are you seriously buying research substances and amazon

This makes me wonder if your test you're pinning is real too

Also rep me nigga

Yup, this nigger's retarded

LMAOOOOO

 

[sonic55555]

the human body in its natty state isnt designed to put on muscle tissue.

there are more mehanisms and pathways in the body designed to keep muscle OFF you and strip it away and stop it from growing, than there are pathways designed to grow muscles bigger.

Simply put, natty training does nothing. End fo story, period.

 

[sonic55555]

and you can bitch and moan about that fact and you can cope till youre blue in the face but it wont change the fact that working out natty is a waste of time in all metrrics and aspects. the only people that benefit from natty training are geriatrics and solely because it strengthens their joints

 

[Finncelchud]

Well im a natty supporter cause I did it natty and it worked out great with no side effects of roids. But i may just have decent genes for building muscle cause some people literally have like 100 level test their whole lives and are like 120lbs naturally at 6 foot.

I also tell people cause if somebody doesnt atleast gain the discipline and experience to build a base physique naturally, they are going to go into the gym as a complete begginer and start blasting roids and wont know shit about working out or nutrition and will end up with roid muscles on a skinny, unworked frame. I can always tell who ended up using roids before ever lifting natty for atleast a year or two, cause they look like skinny dudes with anchor arms and have an unbalanced physique cause they dont know anything about programming a routine

Yeah, roiding should be only considered if you have worked out for atleast 1-2 years

 

[Zagro]

Height gets raped

 

[MacBurger]

Height gets raped

My plates are defo closed dude I’m 5’9 barefoot so kinda sad but I am 18

 

[MacBurger]

Yeah, roiding should be only considered if you have worked out for atleast 1-2 years

??? This is retarded imo

 

[Zagro]

My plates are defo closed dude I’m 5’9 barefoot so kinda sad but I am 18

Then you should talk for yourself and not others

 

[Oesteogenesis]

??? This is retarded imo

Its not, if you go straight into test you wont have the foundation/system built in place to make sure that your doing things right.

If your eating like a fat slob and your on 500mg weekly of test imagine how that would effect you, just a waste of test and causes shit health. If you already train and have been training for 1-2 years, its likely you have a good grasp on how nutrition and training works and the most important factor is that you have applied that knowledge and should be consistently following it.

This makes Test alot more useful since you actually know what your doing, just imagine you gave a random person on the street 500mg of test and knowledge about how to actually use it and the optimal training routine, nutrition etc.. but whats the chance they actually follow that consistently?

Its recommended to train for 1-2 years but i mean its your body so you do you. I personally have been training for 5 months and im going on test soon (just trt though whilst im cutting) but its still good to train and learn for a while and get consistent before you hop on.

if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months

This already tells me that your retarded because running 500mg a week without blood tests are stupid, you should not touch this stuff without knowing what to do, you didnt talk about any ancs beside ai too. And good luck finding doses for ai or EQ when you have no clue whaat your e2 levels are off and on cycle. Please learn more

 

[MacBurger]

Its not, if you go straight into test you wont have the foundation/system built in place to make sure that your doing things right.

If your eating like a fat slob and your on 500mg weekly of test imagine how that would effect you, just a waste of test and causes shit health. If you already train and have been training for 1-2 years, its likely you have a good grasp on how nutrition and training works and the most important factor is that you have applied that knowledge and should be consistently following it.

This makes Test alot more useful since you actually know what your doing, just imagine you gave a random person on the street 500mg of test and knowledge about how to actually use it and the optimal training routine, nutrition etc.. but whats the chance they actually follow that consistently?

Its recommended to train for 1-2 years but i mean its your body so you do you. I personally have been training for 5 months and im going on test soon (just trt though whilst im cutting) but its still good to train and learn for a while and get consistent before you hop on.

Ive also been training around 5 months and trained for 2 years in the past

 

[MacBurger]

Its not, if you go straight into test you wont have the foundation/system built in place to make sure that your doing things right.

If your eating like a fat slob and your on 500mg weekly of test imagine how that would effect you, just a waste of test and causes shit health. If you already train and have been training for 1-2 years, its likely you have a good grasp on how nutrition and training works and the most important factor is that you have applied that knowledge and should be consistently following it.

This makes Test alot more useful since you actually know what your doing, just imagine you gave a random person on the street 500mg of test and knowledge about how to actually use it and the optimal training routine, nutrition etc.. but whats the chance they actually follow that consistently?

Its recommended to train for 1-2 years but i mean its your body so you do you. I personally have been training for 5 months and im going on test soon (just trt though whilst im cutting) but its still good to train and learn for a while and get consistent before you hop on.

Also nutrition wise is really simple jfl at retards who don’t already know how to have a good nutritious rich diet

 

[Oesteogenesis]

Also nutrition wise is really simple jfl at retards who don’t already know how to have a good nutritious rich diet

fucking read dibshit. Even if you did know, its likely that someone who hasnt trained that long would not be consistent with it so running shit would be stupid

 

[MacBurger]

fucking read dibshit. Even if you did know, its likely that someone who hasnt trained that long would not be consistent with it so running shit would be stupid

You’ll still gain muscle on test even if ur not consistent + quality of life enhancements

 

[Oesteogenesis]

You’ll still gain muscle on test even if ur not consistent + quality of life enhancements

Yea never touch it bro icl you have no clue what your talking about lmao. Yea bro fosho let me run 500mg test and eat like fat snob and ill still gain muscle right, so optimal.

 

[nbfmyb]

People saying don’t hop on test at 18 unless u want ur balls to shrink, what are they talking about? That won’t happen if you do it properly, and if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months, also people on about u can’t get bone growth cause of plates muh, it increases ur bone density, which isn’t plate reliant so why tf are people saying ts?

run 300 first

 

[MacBurger]

Yea never touch it bro icl you have no clue what your talking about lmao. Yea bro fosho let me run 500mg test and eat like fat snob and ill still gain muscle right, so optimal.

Holy shit ur an iqlet! Yeah dude even if u eat like a fat snob, if ur still getting ur protein markers ur going to gain muscle this goes for being natty too holy shit ur a fucking retard ofc it’s not optimal but it’s still gonna work just nowhere near as good, please remove urself from this forum

 

[MacBurger]

run 300 first

Nah

 

[MacBurger]

run 300 first

Many people have told me there’s no point tritaritijg 250/300 and I may aswell do 500

 

[nbfmyb]

Many people have told me there’s no point tritaritijg 250/300 and I may aswell do 500

see how you feel on 300 and when you can manage sides then up the dose, why rush so quickly when we are all so young

 

[Oesteogenesis]

Holy shit ur an iqlet! Yeah dude even if u eat like a fat snob, if ur still getting ur protein markers ur going to gain muscle this goes for being natty too holy shit ur a fucking retard ofc it’s not optimal but it’s still gonna work just nowhere near as good, please remove urself from this forum

holy shit your actually such a retard My entire answer before was about having the correct habits before you run a cycle and you literally said that "and if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months" this proves you have no fucking idea what your talking about lmao, 0 side effects my ass bro lmao. Never touch test, you clearly have no idea what your talking about.

 

[MacBurger]

see how you feel on 300 and when you can manage sides then up the dose, why rush so quickly when we are all so young

I wouldn’t call 500 a high dose at all, it’s a pretty standard starting dose

 

[krieg]

natty lifting is cope “just train hard and eat right for 7 years and you’ll get ur dream physique”

 

[MacBurger]

holy shit your actually such a retard My entire answer before was about having the correct habits before you run a cycle and you literally said that "and if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months" this proves you have no fucking idea what your talking about lmao, 0 side effects my ass bro lmao. Never touch test, you clearly have no idea what your talking about.

Jfl stay natty, whilst I mog the fuck outta u in just a couple months then watch