Why Jaw Narrowing Surgeries Look Like Shit: The Bi-Condylar Breadth Pill

[thecel]

Most jaw-narrowing surgeries for overly wide jaws take away patients’ gonial definition and jawline angularity, making them look boneless and bad.

The answer isn’t simply “don’t narrow the jaw”, as often times a narrower jaw can look better. But it’s not possible to narrow the jaw all the way up to the condyles; surgeons only remove bone at the gonial area.

Take the bi-condylar breadth pill.

The only jaw narrowing surgery possible is to narrow the bi-gonial breadth, making the lower third more tapered and rounded—narrowing down from wide condyles—which usually does not look attractive.

Additionally, the surgery before/after shows that she got temple implants, which I think make her look worse because it worsens her ES ratio and makes her look more brachy.

Anyway,

A narrowing lower third is not the same thing as a narrow lower third.

My morph narrows her jaw in a cohesive way:

You may be able to achieve something like this change with botox on the masseters, but there's no way to do it with osteotomies AFAIK (correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[Deleted member 131540]

but there's no way to do it with osteotomies

good thread as always thecel

 

[thecel]

Masseter botox example:

 

[thecel]

over

 

[Lookologist003]

@Klasik616

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It's a unique topic. Certainly rare if not unique.

It's not possible to narrow the condyles because they are the one piece of the TMJ. In v-line surgery, the surgeon can only access the gonion and chin through an inter-oral incision.

Additionally I think there is no big disparity between bicondylar breadth and bigonial breadth. This woman has huge masseters and maybe flared gonions that intensify the size of the masseters. If there is a disparity between bicondylar breadth and bigonal breadth, it defines a taper of the ramus and its not a good thing because that shape is structurally weaker.

I'm not certain that ramus taper is a thing outside of how the artists draw Disney princesses.

Your bigonial breadth can never be shorter than your palette breadth.

 

[Deleted member 143044]

Malar reduction moggs

 

[Klasik616]

Over for wide skull cels

 

[kaydd]

what if the "osteotomy" is a downgraft? Of course there would be functional reasons for it too.