Why Jews are considered white by ‘POC’ but non-white by white gentiles

[Olivecel]

White people (particularly the nationalists) cannot accept Jews as white because that would ultimately degrade the ‘high status’ and taint the morality of the white race (in their worldview).
But for POC, it only legitimizes their resentments toward white people even further.

This is just my observation as somebody who’s neither a Jew or white nationalist, or a leftist.

 

[tict]

White people (particularly the nationalists) cannot accept Jews as white because that would ultimately degrade the ‘high status’ of the white race.

 

[elliottttt]

White people (particularly the nationalists) cannot accept Jews as white because that would ultimately degrade the ‘high status’ of the white race.
For POC, it only legitimizes their resentments toward white people even further.

jews love to pretend to be white when its convenient. like doing evil shit

 

[Olivecel]

jews love to pretend to be white when its convenient. like doing evil shit

But they also love pretending to be Semitic/Middle Eastern for similar reasons.

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

White people (particularly the nationalists) cannot accept Jews as white because that would ultimately degrade the ‘high status’ of the white race.
For POC, it only legitimizes their resentments toward white people even further.

Its mimickry like spiders that mimmick ants

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

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[elliottttt]

But they also love pretending to be Semitic/Middle Eastern for similar reasons.

dr taban is jewish
but he loves to be iranian

 

[elliottttt]

 

[Olivecel]

dr taban is jewish
but he loves to be iranian

Mizrahi?

 

[elliottttt]

Mizrahi?

no clue, iranian jew tho

 

[Olivecel]

no clue, iranian jew tho

Yeah, he’s def not white.
I should’ve clarified my main focus are Ashkenazy.

 

[Sub->CL]

Its mimickry like spiders that mimmick ants

aggressive mimicry

 

[JellyBelly]

Let's be real here, Ashkenazis were living in Southern Europe, then migrated to Germany and then to Poland over the span of a 1200 years, jews are fully white at this point, but they are schizo.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Jews can look fully White if they are descended from European converts.

This Ashkenazi woman is Semitic mixed and clearly has a Semitic mixed phenotype(high pitched nose)



Jews are/were merchants who travel and mix. There are Chinese Jews who even have Armenoid or Semitic/Arabid admixture.

Jews were Semites who were enslaved in Egypt where they picked up E1b1b/Aethiopid ydna. Then they migrated to "Israel"/Palestine and then migrated to Babylon during the Roman exile of them.

Jews can be found all over the world. Jews come in all sorts of phenotypes since anyone can convert into Judaism and marry blood Jews.

Cohens(the priestly caste of Jews) carry J1 ydna which is found highest in Gulf countries.

Jews also mixed with the Aryan Hittites in Israel.

King David had illicit affair with a Hittite woman named Bathsheeba and appointed a Hittite warrior as a his general to fight wars.

So they been mixing with Aryans since millenia owing to the Hittites.

 

[kisslessvirgin]

in group and out group

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

DNR but it’s because people tend to outgroup when convenient. It’s hilarious at the end of the day because many “Jewish elites” are whites (WestEU’s) who’ve converted into Judaism.

 

[Olivecel]

Jews can look fully White if they are descended from European converts.

This Ashkenazi woman is Semitic mixed and clearly has a Semitic mixed phenotype(high pitched nose)

I don’t understand this stereotype. So many non-Jewish Europeans also have big, long noses. Especially around the Mediterranean region and the Balkans.

I guess.. but like I said, many Greeks and Italians share her phenotype.
Are they not white too?
Plus there are many Jews without her phenotype. When I see Jews at the airport they all have white features, not those classical ‘Semitic features’. If it weren’t for their beards and religious clothing, I probably wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from other Europeans.

Jews are/were merchants who travel and mix. There are Chinese Jews who even have Armenoid or Semitic/Arabid admixture.

Jews were Semites who were enslaved in Egypt where they picked up E1b1b/Aethiopid ydna. Then they migrated to "Israel"/Palestine and then migrated to Babylon during the Roman exile of them.

Jews can be found all over the world. Jews come in all sorts of phenotypes since anyone can convert into Judaism and marry blood Jews.

True. Jews are very mixed. Although I would say Ashkenazy are (mostly) European racially.

Cohens(the priestly caste of Jews) carry J1 ydna which is found highest in Gulf countries.

True but the dominant haplogroup for Jews overall is J2 I believe. Which is common all throughout the Mediterranean.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Clement Greenberg

Jewish Art "critic" with Middle Eastern and Armenoid admixture

Kamala Haasan Crypto-Jew same phenotype without Armenoid admixture NON-INDIAN

 

[Olivecel]

Clement Greenberg

Jewish Art "critic" with Middle Eastern and Armenoid admixture

Kamala Haasan Crypto-Jew same phenotype without Armenoid admixture NON-INDIAN

So I can cherry pick some Greeks and Italians with Middle Eastern phenotypes but does that make them non-white overall?

 

[Olivecel]

Let's be real here, Ashkenazis were living in Southern Europe, then migrated to Germany and then to Poland over the span of a 1200 years, jews are fully white at this point, but they are schizo.

They do have 30-40% Levantine dna as well. BUT many also argue that the ancient Levant region was white before Arabs invaded. By that time Jews were already in Europe.
With that being said, Jews genetically have a similar profile to southern Italians and Greeks.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

"I don’t understand this stereotype. So many non-Jewish Europeans also have big, long noses. Especially around the Mediterranean region and the Balkans."

Nordids have higher pitched noses than Mediterranids, so what? It's the shape of the nose and eyes that reveals the racial origins.

"I guess.. but like I said, many Greeks and Italians share her phenotype."

Not on average. She looks Semitic(Gulf Arabia) mixed. Not European Neolithic farmer.

"Are they not white too?
Plus there are many Jews without her phenotype."

So? Those are mutts.

"When I see Jews at the airport they all have white features, not those classical ‘Semitic features’. If it weren’t for their beards and religious clothing, I probably wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from other Europeans."

Those are Ashkenazis who are descendants of converts. Jews come in all phenotypes. To be considered a Jew all you need to do is identify as a Hebrew/Israelite/Jew.

"True. Jews are very mixed. Although I would say Ashkenazy are (mostly) European racially."

That depends on the individual.

"True but the dominant haplogroup for Jews overall is J2 I believe. Which is common all throughout the Mediterranean."

I don't consider J2 ydna European. Only R1 and I ydna.

 

[Olivecel]

"I don’t understand this stereotype. So many non-Jewish Europeans also have big, long noses. Especially around the Mediterranean region and the Balkans."

Nordids have higher pitched noses than Mediterranids, so what? It's the shape of the nose and eyes that reveals the racial origins.

There’s actually a very big difference between Mediterranean and Nordic features.
That’s why a lot of people mistake Greeks/Italians for Arabs sometimes. Or why “are Mediterraneans white” is such a debated topic.

"I guess.. but like I said, many Greeks and Italians share her phenotype."

Not on average. She looks Semitic(Gulf Arabia) mixed. Not European Neolithic farmer.

I’ve seen plenty. I am half Greek btw.
She doesn’t look gulf Arab

"Are they not white too?
Plus there are many Jews without her phenotype."

So? Those are mutts.

"When I see Jews at the airport they all have white features, not those classical ‘Semitic features’. If it weren’t for their beards and religious clothing, I probably wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from other Europeans."

Those are Ashkenazis who are descendants of converts. Jews come in all phenotypes. To be considered a Jew all you need to do is identify as a Hebrew/Israelite/Jew.

Yup that’s my point.
Seems to be the vast majority of Ashkenazi Jews.
I think the most middle eastern-looking ones were the first to be captured during WW2 because they were the most identifiable. That’s why we see less of them today.

"True. Jews are very mixed. Although I would say Ashkenazy are (mostly) European racially."

That depends on the individual.

Perhaps.

"True but the dominant haplogroup for Jews overall is J2 I believe. Which is common all throughout the Mediterranean."

I don't consider J2 ydna European. Only R1 and I ydna.

So most southern Europeans and Balkans aren’t white either by this logic.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

"They do have 30-40% Levantine dna as well."

Levantine is Syrian and Lebanese. Jews can be mutted with those Assyroid phenotypes

"BUT many also argue that the ancient Levant region was white before Arabs invaded."

No R1 ydna evolved in Europe. R2 ydna is found exclusively in India. So R ydna must be somewhere around Europe and India. O ydna the cousin of R ydna is East Asian. So Whites couldn't have evolved in the Levantine climate as the Gulf is directly below the Levantine region and Gulf Arabs carry J1 ydna.

"Jews genetically have a similar profile to southern Italians and Greeks."

Those are Sephardi mutts. Mixing creates autosomal similarity. But Jews consider themselves as a distinct people. They just lie that Israel is a "Western" country because those mutts were Europeanized from living in Europe for ages and acquired European culture. And they also lie that Israel is a "Western" country to deceive Europeans into supporting Israel over the "foreign Arabs" Muslims that they are fighting against. It's all trickery.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

"There’s actually a very big difference between Mediterranean and Nordic features."

Atlantid/Atlanto Med is robust Mediterranid and looks "North Western European" when mixed with Nordids like the English poeople.

"That’s why a lot of people mistake Greeks/Italians for Arabs sometimes."

Greeks and Italians aka Mediterranean proper look more similar to Gracile Indids than they do to Arabids. Because Arabids have negative canthal tilt and expressive eyes and high pitched noses. Whereas Indids are plain faced and descend from R2 ydna a cousin clade of R1 ydna. Whereas Arabids are J ydna.

"Or why “are Mediterraneans white” is such a debated topic."

Southern Europeans carry R1b ydna which is the brother of Indo European R1a ydna.

"I’ve seen plenty. I am half Greek btw.
She doesn’t look gulf Arab "

She looks like what she is. A mutt. Her nose and eyes look Semitic not Greek or whatever.

"So most southern Europeans and Balkans aren’t white either by this logic."

Southern Europeans are descended from Southern European farmers. They look different from Northern Europeans ON AVERAGE but they are still Europeans. Nobody thinks Mediterranid David Gandy is Arabid Semitic.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

This Sicilian woman looks more similar to Indians than Arabs.

 

[JellyBelly]

They do have 30-40% Levantine dna as well. BUT many also argue that the ancient Levant region was white before Arabs invaded. By that time Jews were already in Europe.
With that being said, Jews genetically have a similar profile to southern Italians and Greeks.

Yup, look up Druze or other religious minorities in Western Syria, Lebanon and Pali. They look Greek.

 

[Olivecel]

"They do have 30-40% Levantine dna as well."

Levantine is Syrian and Lebanese. Jews can be mutted with those Assyroid phenotypes

Modern Syrians and Lebanese still have heavy Arabian admixture, plus small hints of SSA admixture due to the Arab slave trade.
These are not the same as ancient Levantines (Phoenician, Canaanite, Israelite, Assyrian, Chaldean, etc.). The ancient Levant was more Mediterranean-like’ and very similar to Aegean populations.
And again, these “Armenoid” features you speak of are present in southern Europe as well. I see those big nose, ‘dead-eyes’ features among Greeks, Italians and Albanians all the time..

"BUT many also argue that the ancient Levant region was white before Arabs invaded."

No R1 ydna evolved in Europe. R2 ydna is found exclusively in India. So R ydna must be somewhere around Europe and India. O ydna the cousin of R ydna is East Asian. So Whites couldn't have evolved in the Levantine climate as the Gulf is directly below the Levantine region and Gulf Arabs carry J1 ydna.

If R1b/a is the determining factor for whiteness then again at least half of Europe lacks these. Are you limiting whiteness to northern/western Europeans only?

"Jews genetically have a similar profile to southern Italians and Greeks."

Those are Sephardi mutts. Mixing creates autosomal similarity. But Jews consider themselves as a distinct people.

It usually has to work both ways.
Ashkenazi Jews are mostly European genetically with minor input of ANCIENT Levantine admixture.
Similarly, Greeks and southern Italians also have West Asian admixture in their dna. This is how they meet in the middle.
But they are both still considered white generally speaking. Only Jews are excluded by some groups.

They just lie that Israel is a "Western" country because those mutts were Europeanized from living in Europe for ages and acquired European culture. And they also lie that Israel is a "Western" country to deceive Europeans into supporting Israel over the "foreign Arabs" Muslims that they are fighting against. It's all trickery.

Well, they definitely are not the same as Arabs/Muslims either.
From a civilization standpoint, they are really just their own thing, with significant influence from the West.

 

[james_2006]

Part of it is because we don’t wanna be associated with those kennedy-killers

They’ve earned their reputation.

Some Italians look like Jews a little bit but no one hates Italians so they get white status

 

[james_2006]

Part of it is because we don’t wanna be associated with those kennedy-killers

They’ve earned their reputation.

Some Italians look like Jews a little bit but no one hates Italians so they get white status

Like it’s kinda insulting to group a blonde hair blue eyed person with Yk the fucking Goldstein happy merchant looking ass

 

[chang cypionate]

Well because when you're trying to insult other races, whites have the least amount of stereotypes and slurs. But jews, if counted as being white, is an easy target, and acts like a punching bag for all white people. Calling a mayo a kike feels much more insulting than calling them a cracker.

 

[Olivecel]

"There’s actually a very big difference between Mediterranean and Nordic features."

Atlantid/Atlanto Med is robust Mediterranid and looks "North Western European" when mixed with Nordids like the English poeople.

Well, that has nothing to do with deep-south Mediterraneans (Greeks, southern Italians, Maltese, Cypriots, etc.).
And these groups do not only have ‘classic Mediterranean’ phenotypes btw. Sometimes they also have northern euro types, and sometimes they also have those stereotypically Middle Eastern types. It all depends on the Individual.

"That’s why a lot of people mistake Greeks/Italians for Arabs sometimes."

Greeks and Italians aka Mediterranean proper look more similar to Gracile Indids than they do to Arabids.

Hella false.
What about these Greeks?

I see examples like this on the daily.
Greek/Italian features more often overlap with Middle Eastern features. Stop trying to sneak in pajeets..

Because Arabids have negative canthal tilt and expressive eyes and high pitched noses. Whereas Indids are plain faced and descend from R2 ydna a cousin clade of R1 ydna. Whereas Arabids are J ydna.

"Or why “are Mediterraneans white” is such a debated topic."

Southern Europeans carry R1b ydna which is the brother of Indo European R1a ydna.

Southern Europeans carry mostly J2 and E1b.

"I’ve seen plenty. I am half Greek btw.
She doesn’t look gulf Arab "

She looks like what she is. A mutt. Her nose and eyes look Semitic not Greek or whatever.

“Not Greek” but many Greeks have her nose too.

"So most southern Europeans and Balkans aren’t white either by this logic."

Southern Europeans are descended from Southern European farmers. They look different from Northern Europeans ON AVERAGE but they are still Europeans. Nobody thinks

Well, southern Italians and Greek islanders do carry additional INF and Natufian inputs. In some islands these altogether reach up to 25-30%. They are not exclusively ANF.

Mediterranid David Gandy is Arabid Semitic.

Gandy is not Mediterranean.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

"Similarly, Greeks and southern Italians also have West Asian admixture in their dna. This is how they meet in the middle.
But they are both still considered white generally speaking."

That is owing largely to mtdna. That's West Eurasian mtdna.

"Only Jews are excluded by some groups."

Jews first allegiance is to Israel not their host country. They believe that they were exiled and migrated so there's no point in considering them as natives in any country. They follow the Torah and believe that their souls were present in Mt.Sinai when Moses revealed the Torah.

Anyways Jews help fellow Jews with easy Business capital but not so with Gentiles. They lend money with interest to Gentiles.

But Jews do hire Gentiles for jobs like a Jewish merchant did with Prophet Muhammad (selling dates).

Most of the converts to Judaism are people who are close associates to Jews whom Jews ask if they want to convert willingly. Jews convert people through close alliance, inter marriage and professions they hire.

I suspect Jews just test if someone wants to convert by proxy through suggestion. Like a Jewish man might invite a fellow Jew to a potential convert into their vicinity and see if the potential convert is interested in inquiring about and joining the Jews.

Jews say that to be a Jew you need a Jewish soul. But that's all bullshit because it's usually Narcissistic Media personalities, Business men, government officials, Scientists and lawyers.

They only can convert brain-dead people who have no ability to reflect and critique their teachings and traditions and/or verify through personal experience.

Converts rarely become Talmudic scholars or Kabbalah elite mystics themselves. They don't have the brainpower or spiritual soulful power to add to Judaism.

 

[Olivecel]

Like it’s kinda insulting to group a blonde hair blue eyed person with Yk the fucking Goldstein happy merchant looking ass

Who said all whites are blonde and blue eye tho?
Like you said above, many Italians (and Greeks/Balkans) have similar features as Jews.

 

[yeah2]

Jewish is considered more of an ethnoreligious group than a race

 

[Olivecel]

Well because when you're trying to insult other races, whites have the least amount of stereotypes and slurs. But jews, if counted as being white, is an easy target, and acts like a punching bag for all white people. Calling a mayo a kike feels much more insulting than calling them a cracker.

Whites def don’t have the least amount of stereotypes.
Among poc, many of the Jewish and non-Jewish white stereotypes are interchangeable and/or compliment each other (like world domination, colonization, greed, the master/puppet relationship, etc.).

 

[chang cypionate]

Whites def don’t have the least amount of stereotypes.
Among poc, many of the Jewish and non-Jewish white stereotypes are interchangeable and/or compliment each other (like world domination, colonization, greed, the master/puppet relationship, etc.).

Being called a "colonizer" is probably the least insulting stereotype of all time.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

I have zero respect for Jews and Judaism because the Indians they convert have weak souls and just parrot whatever the Jews say.

That crypto Jew Aurobindo who claims to have the Jewess as his "mother" didn't do anything special for interpreting the Vedas. He just repeated common sense.

If Jews are so smart and holy why don't they interpret Hindu scriptures and the symbolism of Hindu Gods?

They don't even have the ability to interpret mystical meanings of their own Torah. It was only Jews of the highest level for their own standards that wrote the Zohar.

Why must I follow you when you are spiritually beneath me?

 

[Olivecel]

Being called a "colonizer" is probably the least insulting stereotype of all time.

Nah but being invaded and cucked by Muslims/Africans in return and being in the pockets of Jews is probably one of the most negative stereotypes in existence.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

The Indians they convert are absolute retards that can't even reason anything for themselves. They tend to have very low IQs on average.

Low class Indians are the dumbest people in the world who were converted to Islam and Christianity or follow Hinduism because it's the majority religion and never question whether Hindu Gods are simply idols with no meanings or something real.

They are not genuine seekers but puppets.

I want nothing in common with these untermensch.

 

[Med Amine]

Lots of whites consider kikes whites since they re allies against muzzies

 

[Olivecel]

Well, that has nothing to do with deep-south Mediterraneans (Greeks, southern Italians, Maltese, Cypriots, etc.).
And these groups do not only have ‘classic Mediterranean’ phenotypes btw. Sometimes they also have northern euro types, and sometimes they also have those stereotypically Middle Eastern types. It all depends on the Individual.


Hella false.
What about these Greeks?
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I see examples like this on the daily.


Southern Europeans carry mostly J2 and E1b.
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“Not Greek” but many Greeks have her nose too.


Well, southern Italians and Greek islanders do carry additional INF and Natufian inputs. In some islands these altogether reach up to 25-30%. They are not exclusively ANF.


Gandy is not Mediterranean.

@GuyFromSingapore

 

[Olivecel]

Lots of whites consider kikes whites since they re allies against muzzies

Not the nationalist ones.

 

[Med Amine]

Not the nationalist ones.

So still like 90% white population

 

[Olivecel]

So still like 90% white population

But like 99% say non-white on ig/tiktok nowadays lmao.