Why men suffer from low self esteem

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Introduction

It's a know fact that men suffer more that women in actual society, 70% of suicides being men.
In this thread, we will see why men have low self-esteem.

I also want to write this thread because of being someone who was bluepilled/redpilled before eventually being blackpilled; It makes me understand somehow why I had a low esteem while being bluepilled. Before getting my face rated seriously, due to brutal past experiences I thought I was a LTN or even worse.
Note : This thread may seem water to you, indeed some concepts we talk about here are water but the reasoning in the end isn't.


Content

Before we start, let's just say that most men are average in term of looks ( below or above average ), 1 in 2 is MTN .
In the other extreme sides of the bell curve are subhumans/LTN and HTN/chads (more rare)
This is very important because it implies statistically in terms of looks we are average for the majority of men.
Also greycels of this forum have this shitty and false idea that the average man is LTN.

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Image : The concept of Hypergamy

Hypergamy can be explained by the mathematical Pareto Principle : 80% of women going for the top %20 of men, The bottom 80% of men having to fight for 20% of bottom of women. These numbers are from the Pareto Principle, unfortunately reals numbers for dating may be more extreme.

Read this good blog post if you want to get documented more on this :

Bear in mind that the concept of hypergamy is only accepted among blackpill/incel related spaces. This will be important for the rest of the thread.

The real big problem is bluepilled normies mostly think it's an looksmatched lobby , so they try with average foids (not that ugly neither stacies).
You can guess what happens most of the time: It's a failure, they get rejected.

This is where it gets interesting,. Since they don't believe in the concept of hypergamy due to their ideology (Just shoot your shot bro, the worst she can say is no..) or didn't learn about it , the rate they give to themselves in term of looks decrease the more they get rejected by women of their look level...
"I am a 5/10 and asked out a 5/10, she rejected me while we are on the same looks level . I must be a 3/10 then ".

Women aiming for the top of men and rejecting perfectly average men who are unaware of the hypergamy make the later believe they're on the beginning of the bell curve (unattractive). When you think about it, there is no big difference between a subhuman and a LTN.

This result on these men getting mistakenly very low-esteem and posting on different subreddits such as :
r/FreeCompliments
r/amiugly
or any other subreddit just to get some compliments.

People here know for sure how all sub-chad men are invisible to women but a few talk about the psychological effects of this on the average bluepilled man plenty of hope.

TLDR; Most men have low self esteem because they see themselves in a more negative way than they really are . This because of foids selecting only in the top % of the males thus treating subhuman and average men the same.

Tagging the best : @Sloppyseconds @edodalic29 @takethewhitepill @Prøphet
 
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Introduction

It's a know fact that men suffer more that women in actual society, 70% of suicides being men.
In this thread, we will see why men have low self-esteem.

I also want to write this thread because of being someone who was bluepilled/redpilled before eventually being blackpilled; It makes me understand somehow why I had a low esteem while being bluepilled. Before getting my face rated seriously, due to brutal past experiences I thought I was a LTN or even worse.
Note : This thread may seem water to you, indeed some concepts we talk about here are water but the reasoning in the end isn't.


Content

Before we start, let's just say that most men are average in term of looks ( below or above average ), 1 in 2 is MTN .
In the other extreme sides of the bell curve are subhumans/LTN and HTN/chads (more rare)
This is very important because it implies statistically in terms of looks we are average for the majority of men.
Also greycels of this forum have this shitty and false idea that the average man is LTN.

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Image : Bell curve

View attachment 4377188

Image : The concept of Hypergamy

Hypergamy can be explained by the mathematical Pareto Principle : 80% of women going for the top %20 of men, The bottom 80% of men having to fight for 20% of bottom of women. These numbers are from the Pareto Principle, unfortunately reals numbers for dating may be more extreme.

Read this good blog post if you want to get documented more on this :

Bear in mind that the concept of hypergamy is only accepted among blackpill/incel related spaces. This will be important for the rest of the thread.

The real big problem is bluepilled normies mostly think it's an looksmatched lobby , so they try with average foids (not that ugly neither stacies).
You can guess what happens most of the time: It's a failure, they get rejected.

This is where it gets interesting,. Since they don't believe in the concept of hypergamy due to their ideology (Just shoot your shot bro, the worst she can say is no..) or didn't learn about it , the rate they give to themselves in term of looks decrease the more they get rejected by women of their look level...
"I am a 5/10 and asked out a 5/10, she rejected me while we are on the same looks level . I must be a 3/10 then ".

Women aiming for the top of men and rejecting perfectly average men who are unaware of the hypergamy make the later believe they're on the beginning of the bell curve (unattractive). When you think about it, there is no big difference between a subhuman and a LTN.

This result on these men getting mistakenly very low-esteem and posting on different subreddits such as :
r/FreeCompliments
r/amiugly
or any other subreddit just to get some compliments.

People here know for sure how all sub-chad men are invisible to women but a few talk about the psychological effects of this on the average bluepilled man plenty of hope.

TLDR; Most men have low self esteem because they see themselves in a more negative way than they really are . This because of foids selecting only in the top % of the males thus treating subhuman and average men the same.

Tagging the best : @Sloppyseconds @edodalic29 @takethewhitepill @Prøphet

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Introduction

It's a know fact that men suffer more that women in actual society, 70% of suicides being men.
In this thread, we will see why men have low self-esteem.

I also want to write this thread because of being someone who was bluepilled/redpilled before eventually being blackpilled; It makes me understand somehow why I had a low esteem while being bluepilled. Before getting my face rated seriously, due to brutal past experiences I thought I was a LTN or even worse.
Note : This thread may seem water to you, indeed some concepts we talk about here are water but the reasoning in the end isn't.


Content

Before we start, let's just say that most men are average in term of looks ( below or above average ), 1 in 2 is MTN .
In the other extreme sides of the bell curve are subhumans/LTN and HTN/chads (more rare)
This is very important because it implies statistically in terms of looks we are average for the majority of men.
Also greycels of this forum have this shitty and false idea that the average man is LTN.

View attachment 4377174
Image : Bell curve

View attachment 4377188

Image : The concept of Hypergamy

Hypergamy can be explained by the mathematical Pareto Principle : 80% of women going for the top %20 of men, The bottom 80% of men having to fight for 20% of bottom of women. These numbers are from the Pareto Principle, unfortunately reals numbers for dating may be more extreme.

Read this good blog post if you want to get documented more on this :

Bear in mind that the concept of hypergamy is only accepted among blackpill/incel related spaces. This will be important for the rest of the thread.

The real big problem is bluepilled normies mostly think it's an looksmatched lobby , so they try with average foids (not that ugly neither stacies).
You can guess what happens most of the time: It's a failure, they get rejected.

This is where it gets interesting,. Since they don't believe in the concept of hypergamy due to their ideology (Just shoot your shot bro, the worst she can say is no..) or didn't learn about it , the rate they give to themselves in term of looks decrease the more they get rejected by women of their look level...
"I am a 5/10 and asked out a 5/10, she rejected me while we are on the same looks level . I must be a 3/10 then ".

Women aiming for the top of men and rejecting perfectly average men who are unaware of the hypergamy make the later believe they're on the beginning of the bell curve (unattractive). When you think about it, there is no big difference between a subhuman and a LTN.

This result on these men getting mistakenly very low-esteem and posting on different subreddits such as :
r/FreeCompliments
r/amiugly
or any other subreddit just to get some compliments.

People here know for sure how all sub-chad men are invisible to women but a few talk about the psychological effects of this on the average bluepilled man plenty of hope.

TLDR; Most men have low self esteem because they see themselves in a more negative way than they really are . This because of foids selecting only in the top % of the males thus treating subhuman and average men the same.

Tagging the best : @Sloppyseconds @edodalic29 @takethewhitepill @Prøphet

Nah ur retarded, shut the fuck up
 
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Introduction

It's a know fact that men suffer more that women in actual society, 70% of suicides being men.
In this thread, we will see why men have low self-esteem.

I also want to write this thread because of being someone who was bluepilled/redpilled before eventually being blackpilled; It makes me understand somehow why I had a low esteem while being bluepilled. Before getting my face rated seriously, due to brutal past experiences I thought I was a LTN or even worse.
Note : This thread may seem water to you, indeed some concepts we talk about here are water but the reasoning in the end isn't.


Content

Before we start, let's just say that most men are average in term of looks ( below or above average ), 1 in 2 is MTN .
In the other extreme sides of the bell curve are subhumans/LTN and HTN/chads (more rare)
This is very important because it implies statistically in terms of looks we are average for the majority of men.
Also greycels of this forum have this shitty and false idea that the average man is LTN.

View attachment 4377174
Image : Bell curve

View attachment 4377188

Image : The concept of Hypergamy

Hypergamy can be explained by the mathematical Pareto Principle : 80% of women going for the top %20 of men, The bottom 80% of men having to fight for 20% of bottom of women. These numbers are from the Pareto Principle, unfortunately reals numbers for dating may be more extreme.

Read this good blog post if you want to get documented more on this :

Bear in mind that the concept of hypergamy is only accepted among blackpill/incel related spaces. This will be important for the rest of the thread.

The real big problem is bluepilled normies mostly think it's an looksmatched lobby , so they try with average foids (not that ugly neither stacies).
You can guess what happens most of the time: It's a failure, they get rejected.

This is where it gets interesting,. Since they don't believe in the concept of hypergamy due to their ideology (Just shoot your shot bro, the worst she can say is no..) or didn't learn about it , the rate they give to themselves in term of looks decrease the more they get rejected by women of their look level...
"I am a 5/10 and asked out a 5/10, she rejected me while we are on the same looks level . I must be a 3/10 then ".

Women aiming for the top of men and rejecting perfectly average men who are unaware of the hypergamy make the later believe they're on the beginning of the bell curve (unattractive). When you think about it, there is no big difference between a subhuman and a LTN.

This result on these men getting mistakenly very low-esteem and posting on different subreddits such as :
r/FreeCompliments
r/amiugly
or any other subreddit just to get some compliments.

People here know for sure how all sub-chad men are invisible to women but a few talk about the psychological effects of this on the average bluepilled man plenty of hope.

TLDR; Most men have low self esteem because they see themselves in a more negative way than they really are . This because of foids selecting only in the top % of the males thus treating subhuman and average men the same.

Tagging the best : @Sloppyseconds @edodalic29 @takethewhitepill @Prøphet

putting effort into your posts isnt allowed in offtopic, you will receive a 30% warning.
 
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DNR fuck this thread water only chads are confident besides that iqlets can’t believe there ugly
 
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Comparison is the thief of joy
 
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Introduction

It's a know fact that men suffer more that women in actual society, 70% of suicides being men.
In this thread, we will see why men have low self-esteem.

I also want to write this thread because of being someone who was bluepilled/redpilled before eventually being blackpilled; It makes me understand somehow why I had a low esteem while being bluepilled. Before getting my face rated seriously, due to brutal past experiences I thought I was a LTN or even worse.
Note : This thread may seem water to you, indeed some concepts we talk about here are water but the reasoning in the end isn't.


Content

Before we start, let's just say that most men are average in term of looks ( below or above average ), 1 in 2 is MTN .
In the other extreme sides of the bell curve are subhumans/LTN and HTN/chads (more rare)
This is very important because it implies statistically in terms of looks we are average for the majority of men.
Also greycels of this forum have this shitty and false idea that the average man is LTN.

View attachment 4377174
Image : Bell curve

View attachment 4377188

Image : The concept of Hypergamy

Hypergamy can be explained by the mathematical Pareto Principle : 80% of women going for the top %20 of men, The bottom 80% of men having to fight for 20% of bottom of women. These numbers are from the Pareto Principle, unfortunately reals numbers for dating may be more extreme.

Read this good blog post if you want to get documented more on this :

Bear in mind that the concept of hypergamy is only accepted among blackpill/incel related spaces. This will be important for the rest of the thread.

The real big problem is bluepilled normies mostly think it's an looksmatched lobby , so they try with average foids (not that ugly neither stacies).
You can guess what happens most of the time: It's a failure, they get rejected.

This is where it gets interesting,. Since they don't believe in the concept of hypergamy due to their ideology (Just shoot your shot bro, the worst she can say is no..) or didn't learn about it , the rate they give to themselves in term of looks decrease the more they get rejected by women of their look level...
"I am a 5/10 and asked out a 5/10, she rejected me while we are on the same looks level . I must be a 3/10 then ".

Women aiming for the top of men and rejecting perfectly average men who are unaware of the hypergamy make the later believe they're on the beginning of the bell curve (unattractive). When you think about it, there is no big difference between a subhuman and a LTN.

This result on these men getting mistakenly very low-esteem and posting on different subreddits such as :
r/FreeCompliments
r/amiugly
or any other subreddit just to get some compliments.

People here know for sure how all sub-chad men are invisible to women but a few talk about the psychological effects of this on the average bluepilled man plenty of hope.

TLDR; Most men have low self esteem because they see themselves in a more negative way than they really are . This because of foids selecting only in the top % of the males thus treating subhuman and average men the same.

Tagging the best : @Sloppyseconds @edodalic29 @takethewhitepill @Prøphet

''mtn is average'' holy fucking retarded Dnr
 
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Good thread. For most of us this idea is pretty water but having it laid out nicely is good for the site. I think that you will find as well, not only do some people start to think they look worse than they do which leads them down the rabbit hole, but many think the woman must just look better than they realise. This leads to the ridiculous overrating of women that is so prevalent, and when a man underrates himself and overrates a woman spread to a societal scale you have women offering nothing expecting everything. This worsens the problem and creates the cucked bluepillers we see today who wonder 'what did that guy do to pull her? Man, he is so lucky' and he will say 'yeah, I got lucky that she had just had a bad breakup with her abusive ex and I was a shoulder to cry on, after enough trying she agreed to go out with me as long as I paid.' This is also then why everyone is so sympathetic toward women, all we hear about is the 'rampant sexual assault' and how everyone wants to take away her rights, normcucks will give in since they perceive a power imbalance they allowed to happen. And much more happens as a result.
This was my 2500th post, I was saving it for something but wasn't sure what. I appreciate the tag though so I figured you were a worthy choice since it was a good thread and you are a good user :Comfy:
 
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Good thread. For most of us this idea is pretty water but having it laid out nicely is good for the site. I think that you will find as well, not only do some people start to think they look worse than they do which leads them down the rabbit hole, but many think the woman must just look better than they realise. This leads to the ridiculous overrating of women that is so prevalent, and when a man underrates himself and overrates a woman spread to a societal scale you have women offering nothing expecting everything. This worsens the problem and creates the cucked bluepillers we see today who wonder 'what did that guy do to pull her? Man, he is so lucky' and he will say 'yeah, I got lucky that she had just had a bad breakup with her abusive ex and I was a shoulder to cry on, after enough trying she agreed to go out with me as long as I paid.' This is also then why everyone is so sympathetic toward women, all we hear about is the 'rampant sexual assault' and how everyone wants to take away her rights, normcucks will give in since they perceive a power imbalance they allowed to happen. And much more happens as a result.
This was my 2500th post, I was saving it for something but wasn't sure what. I appreciate the tag though so I figured you were a worthy choice since it was a good thread and you are a good user :Comfy:
Thanks for putting the idea in a nice way, I mean everyone here knows hypergamy but nobody know they got down the rabbit hole because of this and it is the reason people vent here everyday 😢.
I like of concept of the whitepill( your nickname) but not if havent tried your best to ascend yet. And thanks for giving me your 2500th post :lul:
 
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Thanks for putting the idea in a nice way, I mean everyone here knows hypergamy but nobody know they got down the rabbit hole because of this and it is the reason people vent here everyday 😢.
I look of concept of the whitepill( your nickname) but not if havent tried your best to ascend yet. And thanks for giving me your 2500th post :lul:
Yeah, people still cope in a lot of ways. Especially people coping that you cant have both hypergamy and 99% of couples being looksmatched, they dont realise they look the same but the man js subservient. This is the foundation of the whitepill really, bluepill says get a girl better than you by having personality, redpill says get whatever girl you want with status, blackpill says different things depending on who you ask but always has the idea that you get her and thats it. Instead we should improve our looks knowing that our partner will be equally matched and change how we move through the world so we have a good dynamic with her. I would say that takes the best parts of each of the predecessors, having a good personality to keep her, good frame to manage her, and good looks to get her.
 
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Women aiming for the top of men and rejecting perfectly average men who are unaware of the hypergamy make the later believe they're on the beginning of the bell curve (unattractive). When you think about it, there is no big difference between a subhuman and a LTN.

Why do I see LTNs with cute girls at the mall?

This stuff only applies to online dating, IRL women date oofy doofy nice guys with good social skills who make them comfortable.
 
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Good thread
 
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Yeah, people still cope in a lot of ways. Especially people coping that you cant have both hypergamy and 99% of couples being looksmatched, they dont realise they look the same but the man js subservient. This is the foundation of the whitepill really, bluepill says get a girl better than you by having personality, redpill says get whatever girl you want with status, blackpill says different things depending on who you ask but always has the idea that you get her and thats it. Instead we should improve our looks knowing that our partner will be equally matched and change how we move through the world so we have a good dynamic with her. I would say that takes the best parts of each of the predecessors, having a good personality to keep her, good frame to manage her, and good looks to get her.
Everything is true to an extent, people think that being attractive make you get away with everything when its false. You need looks but also personnality and status, but still primarely looks
 
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Why do I see LTNs with cute girls at the mall?

This stuff only applies to online dating, IRL women date oofy doofy nice guys with good social skills who make them comfortable.
One example dont make the general rule.

In some context, IRL is easier than dating apps youre right in some way like proximity pill.
 
i didn’t give enough of a shit to read anything but i can tell it was high effort

good job fellow bluecel, manifesting some reps ur way
 
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One example dont make the general rule.

In some context, IRL is easier than dating apps youre right in some way like proximity pill.

There’s thousands of examples, just go outside bro. BP applies to young immature teen girls and females on Tinder/Bumble.

Go to a mall or city center and you’ll see tons of men with looksmatch and above girls.
 
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We love souvlaki :fire:

I agree with you, but I mean luckily bluepilled mfs are typically pretty retarded so they are often not introspective enough to realize how much their lives suck, and thus it won't take as much of a toll on their mental health as it would for someone smarter. I was never really redpilled at all and got blackpilled in elementary school at like age 9 or 10. Its pretty fucking obvious when you look at how the world works around you lol. I think I got like really blackpilled at age 12 tho, and haven't changed much of my philosophy since
 
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There’s thousands of examples, just go outside bro. BP applies to young immature teen girls and females on Tinder/Bumble.

Go to a mall or city center and you’ll see tons of men with looksmatch and above girls.
Why are coping you so hard dude ?

Just because you see people looksmatched doesnt mean you will find your lookmatch, everything is possible but still need to do your max and not except luck to get a girl wtf you think you have still time until you dont
 
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I agree with you, but I mean luckily bluepilled mfs are typically pretty retarded so they are often not introspective enough to realize how much their lives suck, and thus it won't take as much of a toll on their mental health as it would for someone smarter. I was never really redpilled at all and got blackpilled in elementary school at like age 9 or 10. Its pretty fucking obvious when you look at how the world works around you lol. I think I got like really blackpilled at age 12 tho, and haven't changed much of my philosophy since
Yeah its good for them to realize that but many of them suffer for low self esteem and its sad tbh especially since the image they have of them is false
 
There’s thousands of examples, just go outside bro. BP applies to young immature teen girls and females on Tinder/Bumble.

Go to a mall or city center and you’ll see tons of men with looksmatch and above girls.
yeah but what is the likelihood of that happening TO YOU. Furthermore, some of us actually want a girl with some intellectual substance, not just any woman we find moderately physically attractive. If I think 90% of people are retarded, 50% of them are women, 20% have similar intrests, 5% are in a datable age range, I find 35% of women attractive, etc, etc, its gonna add up. The more ND you are, the less people you are compatable with. Not everyone is looking for casual sex, some of us want genuine human connection. The reason I looksmax is because the few times I have actually had a crush / fallen in love, they mog me and I never dare to ask them out. That doesn't mean that there are no women who find me attractive (that I am looksmaxed with), its just very few and the likeliehood of me liking them and them liking me is super low. You want to be in a position where you don't have to pray that a looksmax woman falls for you. If you're ND and bellow htn you are more likely to win the lottery istg
 
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Introduction

It's a know fact that men suffer more that women in actual society, 70% of suicides being men.
In this thread, we will see why men have low self-esteem.

I also want to write this thread because of being someone who was bluepilled/redpilled before eventually being blackpilled; It makes me understand somehow why I had a low esteem while being bluepilled. Before getting my face rated seriously, due to brutal past experiences I thought I was a LTN or even worse.
Note : This thread may seem water to you, indeed some concepts we talk about here are water but the reasoning in the end isn't.


Content

Before we start, let's just say that most men are average in term of looks ( below or above average ), 1 in 2 is MTN .
In the other extreme sides of the bell curve are subhumans/LTN and HTN/chads (more rare)
This is very important because it implies statistically in terms of looks we are average for the majority of men.
Also greycels of this forum have this shitty and false idea that the average man is LTN.

View attachment 4377174
Image : Bell curve

View attachment 4377188

Image : The concept of Hypergamy

Hypergamy can be explained by the mathematical Pareto Principle : 80% of women going for the top %20 of men, The bottom 80% of men having to fight for 20% of bottom of women. These numbers are from the Pareto Principle, unfortunately reals numbers for dating may be more extreme.

Read this good blog post if you want to get documented more on this :

Bear in mind that the concept of hypergamy is only accepted among blackpill/incel related spaces. This will be important for the rest of the thread.

The real big problem is bluepilled normies mostly think it's an looksmatched lobby , so they try with average foids (not that ugly neither stacies).
You can guess what happens most of the time: It's a failure, they get rejected.

This is where it gets interesting,. Since they don't believe in the concept of hypergamy due to their ideology (Just shoot your shot bro, the worst she can say is no..) or didn't learn about it , the rate they give to themselves in term of looks decrease the more they get rejected by women of their look level...
"I am a 5/10 and asked out a 5/10, she rejected me while we are on the same looks level . I must be a 3/10 then ".

Women aiming for the top of men and rejecting perfectly average men who are unaware of the hypergamy make the later believe they're on the beginning of the bell curve (unattractive). When you think about it, there is no big difference between a subhuman and a LTN.

This result on these men getting mistakenly very low-esteem and posting on different subreddits such as :
r/FreeCompliments
r/amiugly
or any other subreddit just to get some compliments.

People here know for sure how all sub-chad men are invisible to women but a few talk about the psychological effects of this on the average bluepilled man plenty of hope.

TLDR; Most men have low self esteem because they see themselves in a more negative way than they really are . This because of foids selecting only in the top % of the males thus treating subhuman and average men the same.

Tagging the best : @Sloppyseconds @edodalic29 @takethewhitepill @Prøphet

DNR but feels like a good thread or smthn
 
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Why are coping you so hard dude ?

Just because you see people looksmatched doesnt mean you will find your lookmatch, everything is possible but still need to do your max and not except luck to get a girl wtf you think you have still time until you dont

@supergoat972 tell this guy how most people are looksmatched at your job. Even fat women date fat men, most couples are looksmatched when you go outside.
 
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@supergoat972 tell this guy how most people are looksmatched at your job. Even fat women date fat men, most couples are looksmatched when you go outside.
Of course ugly landwhales gonna get looksmatched but it doesnt mean they wanted their looksmatch in the beginning, they are chad sexual just the difference with the others foids is attractive men dont even look in their direction so they end up with a guy their look level or +1 or +2 in the normie scale.

« Oh but look a landwhale at work couldnt pull chad so the hypergamy is false » do you understand how this sounds dumb ?
 

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