Why should I not take a vaccine?

[ifyouwannabemylover]

I don't see why I shouldn't get an FDA approved vaccine. Millions are being vaccinated as we speak and they're not dropping like flies or something.

Someone link me legit sources demonstrating why you shouldn't get it (not some random quack said this and that in his blog, etc)

 

[Gargantuan]

Scepticism plays a big role. Ask yourself, why can't we question the vaccine and its supposed legitimacy? Why are people who express scepticism with regards to the vaccine ridiculed, victims of smear campaigns by the media, have had their twitter/facebook/youtube/instagram whatever accounts taken down for expressing views that go against the mainstream narrative?

If the vaccine were to be legit, why don't they invite these people for an honest debate, on an open platform, instead of trying to aggressively censor them? After all, if they're all wrong, disproving their claims would be easy, right?
But why can't we discuss these things? Sounds like those who are in power are either scared or they're trying to hide something from the public.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Scepticism plays a big role. Ask yourself, why can't we question the vaccine and its supposed legitimacy? Why are people who express scepticism with regards to the vaccine ridiculed, victims of smear campaigns by the media, have had their twitter/facebook/youtube/instagram whatever accounts taken down for expressing views that go against the mainstream narrative?

If the vaccine were to be legit, why don't they invite these people for an honest debate, on an open platform, instead of trying to aggressively censor them? After all, if they're all wrong, disproving their claims would be easy, right?
But why can't we discuss these things? Sounds like those who are in power are either scared or they're trying to hide something from the public.

I agree but that's still no proof

and they probably ignore them because most of the sceptics are hillbillies, that's like trying to have a debate with a green haired 200kg feminist

 

[lutte]

Idk bill gates said it good me go take it

 

[Gargantuan]

I agree but that's still no proof

Sure, but how do we know if mRNA vaccines are even safe in the first place? No proof of that either.

 

[WadlowMaxxing]

FDA approved

Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained

FDA explains the Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines

www.fda.gov

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Sure, but how do we know if mRNA vaccines are even safe in the first place? No proof of that either.

well there's been clinical studies done on the pfizer one

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

The lack of proof is why the vaccine should be avoided. Not even a year total development and testing time. Ordinary vaccines require years of testing and modification to be considered safe enough to use but this one flew by it all because everyone was paranoid and they desperately wanted an easy solution. The manufacturers of these vaccines even made the governments that are using them clear them from any liability if anything goes wrong, because they know the dangers of using something so untested on millions of people.

Very similar vaccines have already been developed and used and the chances are nothing will happen to any healthy person who takes this vaccine. But it doesnt meet the standards for safety and efficacy that it should and this sets a bad precedent that anytime people are scared and theres some new virus or disease that we can bypass all the safety and testing

Also “fda approved” doesnt mean anything for safety, many things are fda approved because of lobbying and other bureaucratic garbage. And obviously companies like pfizer and moderna and astrazeneca have huge pull with the money and power they possess over lawmakers

 

[Gargantuan]

well there's been clinical studies done on the pfizer one

We'll have to wait and see what's gonna happen in the long run. As for now, I don't trust the vaccine so I'll just wait to see how those who have taken the vaccine will respond in the long run etc.

 

[Growth Plate]

I don't see why I shouldn't get an FDA approved vaccine. Millions are being vaccinated as we speak and they're not dropping like flies or something.

Someone link me legit sources demonstrating why you shouldn't get it (not some random quack said this and that in his blog, etc)

 

[Worthlesshapa777]

I don't see why I shouldn't get an FDA approved vaccine. Millions are being vaccinated as we speak and they're not dropping like flies or something.

Someone link me legit sources demonstrating why you shouldn't get it (not some random quack said this and that in his blog, etc)

Youre glowing in the dark nigher

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

We'll have to wait and see what's gonna happen in the long. As for now, I don't trust the vaccine so I'll just wait to see how those who have taken the vaccine will respond in the long run etc.

that's also why I planned on waiting. now we've already vaccinated millions and it seems fine for now so now I'm contemplating how much longer I should wait.

the thing is, you don't know what long term side effects covid has either. it could be some chinese lab made rat piss for all we know so god knows what that does to you in the long term as opposed to vaccines that were tested and approved here (although quicker than usual).

 

[TheAnomaly]

Good news: Mild COVID-19 induces lasting antibody protection | WashU Medicine

People who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last lifetime

medicine.wustl.edu

Drugmakers can’t be sued for COVID-19 vaccine complications due to amended legislation

A new poll suggests people are split on whether to take the COVID-19 vaccine once it’s available.

www.kfyrtv.com

The CDC's New 'Best Estimate' Implies a COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate Below 0.3%

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the current "best estimate" for the fatality rate among Americans…

reason.com

https://www.thedesertreview.com/health/experimental-covid-shots-cannot-be-mandated/article_89b901ae-8126-11eb-a78d-07c0c7e926df.html

User Clip: Fauci admits only 50-60% of CDC and NIH employees have been vaccinated

Fauci admits only 50-60% of CDC and NIH employees have been vaccinated

www.c-span.org

RNA Recombination - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

About a third of health care workers reluctant to get Covid-19 vaccine

Experts say more public health education is critical to combat vaccine hesitancy both in healthcare workers and the general population.

www.cleveland19.com

Do you trust the government, media, big pharma, Fauci/CDC?
Why the full court press, bribery, threats...?



I work in Health Care, at a Covid vaccine clinic. I will, under NO circumstances, get the vacc.

 

[lutte]

well there's been clinical studies done on the pfizer one

Nope there have been 0 studies done they're going to be done in 22/23 and even that only covers the short to medium term

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Nope there have been 0 studies done they're going to be done in 22/23 and even that only covers the short to medium term

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older. Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines.

Funded by Pfizer though. But it's not like they can just straight up lie either.

 

[lutte]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

It even says in the abstract

In an ongoing multinational, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, pivotal efficacy trial, we randomly assigned persons 16 years of age or older in a 1:1 ratio to receive two doses, 21 days apart, of either placebo or the BNT162b2 vaccine candidate (30 μg per dose).

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

It even says in the abstract

In an ongoing multinational, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, pivotal efficacy trial, we randomly assigned persons 16 years of age or older in a 1:1 ratio to receive two doses, 21 days apart, of either placebo or the BNT162b2 vaccine candidate (30 μg per dose).

right, but the same goes for the chinese rat piss virus

and with the vaccines we actually know what they do because we developed them, but we don't really know what the china virus does

 

[Deleted member 7725]

It's the logic behind it. Why does everyone have to get the vaccine? People under 21 have virtually 0 risk and still have less than 1% chance until 60 years old. Yet, they're forcing every college student to get it to go back on campus and are encouraging 12 year olds to get it. Why is the government so insistent on everyone getting it when you only need it if you are at risk?

I don't think that there's some nefarious substance in the vaccine, but businesses and schools get funding for encouraging vaccines and big pharma companies get a government payout for every person who gets vaccinated.

 

[bandit]

Why does everyone have to get the vaccine? People under 21 have virtually 0 risk and still have less than 1% chance until 60 years old.

They can spread it to people at risk groups and old people. now you can debate about that, but that's the reason.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

They can spread it to people at risk groups and old people. now you can debate about that, but that's the reason.

If the people in at risk groups and old people are vaccinated then they can't get COVID. It's called a vaccine for a reason.

 

[bandit]

If the people in at risk groups and old people are vaccinated then they can't get COVID. It's called a vaccine for a reason.

From my knowledge It doesn't work 100% on everyone, but that's a good argument. but if someone doesn't spread it to you, you just don't deal with it.

 

[lutte]

right, but the same goes for the chinese rat piss virus

How?

and with the vaccines we actually know what they do because we developed them

Nope that's not how it works

but we don't really know what the china virus does

We do, it's pretty well established at this point that it's a not very dangerous virus that most don't even have an inflammatory response to and only is dangerous to very sick people as a kind of last straw that breaks the camel's back. It's also been well established how to treat it effectively for those who do get sick.

 

[Deleted member 756]

It’s up to you
No one is forcing you

 

[Deleted member 7725]

From my knowledge It doesn't work 100% on everyone, but that's a good argument. but if someone doesn't spread it to you, you just don't deal with it.

There's a 0% risk of hospitalizations after the vaccine. It's just fearmongering from the left and the exact reason why I'm not getting the vaccine. Why should I submit to anti-scientific policies?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

It’s up to you
No one is forcing you

You can't go back to US colleges and work unless you get it.

 

[Deleted member 756]

You can't go back to US colleges and work unless you get it.

Proof? I heard it was optional

 

[lutte]

They can spread it to people at risk groups and old people. now you can debate about that, but that's the reason.

Not even the vaccine makers themselves claim that it stops transmission it doesn't

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Proof? I heard it was optional

Most schools are requiring the vaccine:

Harvard joins other elite institutions in vaccine mandate

The university will require returning students to be vaccinated two weeks before they return to campus in the fall.

universitybusiness.com

 

[Deleted member 3672]

 

[StrangerDanger]

Im getting vaccinated

 

[bandit]

Not even the vaccine makers themselves claim that it stops transmission it doesn't

If you don't get it, how can you pass it? if you get it somehow but doesn't get sick, the window (until your body deal with it) is probably significantly shorter.

 

[TheAnomaly]

They can spread it to people at risk groups and old people. now you can debate about that, but that's the reason.

Imagine a vaccine so effective, everyone has to be vaccinated for it to work.

You can't go back to US colleges and work unless you get it.

You can't go back to US colleges and work unless you get it.

Umm. I work & no vacc.

 

[lutte]

If you don't get it, how can you pass it? if you get it somehow but doesn't get sick, the window (until your body deal with it) is probably significantly shorter.

Bruh you clearly aren't knowledgeable about this. The vaccines don't prevent your getting it, all they claim it does is prevent serious symptoms from developing (which there isn't even proof for). It's an imperfect / leaky vaccine

 

[StrangerDanger]

Bruh you clearly aren't knowledgeable about this. The vaccines don't prevent your getting it, all they claim it does is prevent serious symptoms from developing (which there isn't even proof for). It's an imperfect / leaky vaccine

Har du fått tid för vaccination? Jag ska få den om tre veckor

 

[bandit]

Imagine a vaccine so effective, everyone has to be vaccinated for it to work.

We still getting vaccinated for diseases that are no longer exist in the west to keep them at bay. I'm no expert but there's probably a reason for it.

 

[lutte]

Har du fått tid för vaccination? Jag ska få den om tre veckor

Sluta trolla jag är inte på humör

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Imagine a vaccine so effective, everyone has to be vaccinated for it to work.


Umm. I work & no vacc.

Not all places require it. My specific workplace does and my school does so I will need to figure out a way to avoid it.

 

[bandit]

Bruh you clearly aren't knowledgeable about this. The vaccines don't prevent your getting it, all they claim it does is prevent serious symptoms from developing (which there isn't even proof for). It's an imperfect / leaky vaccine

And it doesn't lower the window at all? If i'll look on the web i wouldn't find proofs that it lower it?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

We still getting vaccinated for diseases that are no longer exist in the west to keep them at bay. I'm no expert but there's probably a reason for it.

They don't exist because of herd immunity. You don't need herd immunity for COVID just like you don't need it for the flu. It only affects at risk people. A 12 year old will most likely not even have symptoms.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Bruh you clearly aren't knowledgeable about this. The vaccines don't prevent your getting it, all they claim it does is prevent serious symptoms from developing (which there isn't even proof for). It's an imperfect / leaky vaccine

If it prevents serious symptoms, then why does everyone need to get it? I've heard there's a 0% hospitalization rate after the vaccine. Why do 12 year olds need to get it?

 

[lutte]

And it doesn't lower the window at all? If i'll look on the web i wouldn't find proofs that it lower it?

There is no proof that it is beneficial in any way at all

 

[bandit]

They don't exist because of herd immunity

We got hard immunity from polio?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

We got hard immunity from polio?

Yes.

 

[bandit]

There is no proof that it is beneficial in any way at all

There is, and the numbers do go down. I get it that youre terrified from all the 4chan posts, but I'm not an expert to calm you down.


hard immunity also helps, sure.

 

[lutte]

There is, and the numbers do go down. I get it that youre terrifying from all the 4chan posts, but I'm not an expert to calm you down.

Total mortality goes up that's clear now, and the fact that the american authorities now mandate lower PCR test cycles to confirm post-vaccination covid cases should tell you that they know exactly what's going on

You're clearly not very bright so go take your shots idc

 

[bandit]

You're clearly not very bright so go take your shots idc

Got them straight from bill.

 

[lutte]

I've heard there's a 0% hospitalization rate after the vaccine.

bro what?

 

[WadlowMaxxing]

Got them straight from bill.

don't listen to him, just another cringe 4chan troll. pretty sure hes like 14 as well

 

[Deleted member 7725]

bro what?

0.0017%

 

[lutte]

0.0017%

source?