Why shouldn't I gatekeep ?

[Peco]

This is not ragebait or anything like that but rather just a genuine question. Why would someone share what they learned and risk it becoming popular, thus losing all the advantages of being one of the first to know about it ?

I think there should be a negative correlation between the risk of something and how much it should be gatekept. The riskier something is the least it should be gatekept, because even if it becomes mainstream most people still won't do it because of the inherit risk. On the other hand, if something is highly benefitial and carries close to no side effects it should definitely be gatekept. In this second scenario the only thing stopping people from doing that specific thing would be their ignorance of it, not inhibition or fear.

 

[Peco]

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[SamMar]

This is not ragebait or anything like that but rather just a genuine question. Why would someone share what they learned and risk it becoming popular, thus losing all the advantages of being one of the first to know about it ?

I think there should be a negative correlation between the risk of something and how much it should be gatekept. The riskier something is the least it should be gatekept, because even if it becomes mainstream most people still won't do it because of the inherit risk. On the other hand, if something is highly benefitial and carries close to no side effects it should definitely be gatekept. In this second scenario the only thing stopping people from doing that specific thing would be their ignorance of it, not inhibition or fear.

you can share it, so people create better ways to use it, advance it, and in the end everyone wins, but it really depends on who you share it to

 

[gallo]

This is not ragebait or anything like that but rather just a genuine question. Why would someone share what they learned and risk it becoming popular, thus losing all the advantages of being one of the first to know about it ?

I think there should be a negative correlation between the risk of something and how much it should be gatekept. The riskier something is the least it should be gatekept, because even if it becomes mainstream most people still won't do it because of the inherit risk. On the other hand, if something is highly benefitial and carries close to no side effects it should definitely be gatekept. In this second scenario the only thing stopping people from doing that specific thing would be their ignorance of it, not inhibition or fear.

On this forum only 5% of people end up actually doing something serius. Your’e right gatekeeping gives you an advantage, but only over a small fraction of people that would actually do it. Even if it is a safe thing many people just don’t do it, take neck training for example, one of the easiets and safest softmax out there and yet practically nobody does it.
You will have a small advantage but on people that are in your situation and in your mindest, so why not just help us all? If everyone was gatekepping this forum wouldn’t even exist
Btw sorry for bad eng

 

[KT-34]

You do not have unlimited knowledge even about what you're gatekeeping, having people test it out and adding their personal experiences, will only improve it

 

[Layd]

imo especially if it is about lm, gatekeeping doesnt rlly matter since even if some advice you give becomes mainstream, only a few people will actually listen and take it and by actually giving it you are helping the community and the community might help back (you arent helping idiots that wont do anything with your help, you are helping others that are willing to give the help back)

 

[K34]

This is not ragebait or anything like that but rather just a genuine question. Why would someone share what they learned and risk it becoming popular, thus losing all the advantages of being one of the first to know about it ?

I think there should be a negative correlation between the risk of something and how much it should be gatekept. The riskier something is the least it should be gatekept, because even if it becomes mainstream most people still won't do it because of the inherit risk. On the other hand, if something is highly benefitial and carries close to no side effects it should definitely be gatekept. In this second scenario the only thing stopping people from doing that specific thing would be their ignorance of it, not inhibition or fear.

nigga everything can just be googled

 

[Peco]

You do not have unlimited knowledge even about what you're gatekeeping, having people test it out and adding their personal experiences, will only improve it

I don't need people to test it out if I already did it myself. What you are saying would make sense if that specific thing was just a theory and you wanted to confirm it. But then again this would only apply to things that have an inherit risk to them (which like I said should not be gatekept) , because if something carries no risk you can just try it for yourself, you don't need external feedback.

 

[Peco]

nigga everything can just be googled

You have to know about if before you can google it though

 

[KT-34]

I don't need people to test it out if I already did it myself. What you are saying would make sense if that specific thing was just a theory and you wanted to confirm it. But then again this would only apply to things that have an inherit risk to them (which like I said should not be gatekept) , because if something carries no risk you can just try it for yourself, you don't need external feedback.

You cannot have a 100% knowledge that something is guaranteed, maybe your method worked on you, maybe it wouldn't on someone else

If you don't know why then you don't understand it and if you understand it you cannot improve upon it, it's not necessarily about danger it's about extra information

 

[Peco]

On this forum only 5% of people end up actually doing something serius. Your’e right gatekeeping gives you an advantage, but only over a small fraction of people that would actually do it. Even if it is a safe thing many people just don’t do it, take neck training for example, one of the easiets and safest softmax out there and yet practically nobody does it.
You will have a small advantage but on people that are in your situation and in your mindest, so why not just help us all? If everyone was gatekepping this forum wouldn’t even exist
Btw sorry for bad eng

Yes this is what I think as well and I think it's the best argument for not gatekeeping. But even in this case there is no advantage for the person who stop gatekeeping. In that case you would just do it out of kindness I guess.

 

[gallo]

Yes this is what I think as well and I think it's the best argument for not gatekeeping. But even in this case there is no advantage for the person who stop gatekeeping. In that case you would just do it out of kindness I guess.

Yeah it’s more of a mindset, generally being selfish is the way to go but if everyone shares it’s better for everyone, it’s a pretty hard argumentss to talk about but if everyone is generous and shares everyone wins, if everyone is selfish nobody Wins, if someone is selfish in a word full of generous people he wins. Your’e right in this case gatekeeping would be the best move, but doing it makes you kind of a dick.
And as other people are sayng if you discover something other people will de elio it and make it better

 

[Peco]

You cannot have a 100% knowledge that something is guaranteed, maybe your method worked on you, maybe it wouldn't on someone else

But why would I care if it worked on others or not, or why would I want to know that ? If it worked on me that's good enough.

If you don't know why then you don't understand it and if you understand it you cannot improve upon it, it's not necessarily about danger it's about extra information

No I don't think that would be the case. If it didn't work for others it could very much be that they just aren't doing it correctly. I would have no way of confirming that. The fact that it makes reasonable sense and the fact that it worked on me are the only 2 parameters I need, to know if something is legit or not. Personally I don't see how external feedback would help me in anyway. I also doubt someone would know more about something than me after learning it from me, doesn't make much sense right ? This would also imply that those people also know more than the people that know more than me, which are the ones I learned from. Again that's pretty unlikely.

 

[KT-34]

But why would I care if it worked on others or not, or why would I want to know that ? If it worked on me that's good enough.

No I don't think that would be the case. If it didn't work for others it could very much be that they just aren't doing it correctly. I would have no way of confirming that. The fact that it makes reasonable sense and the fact that it worked on me are the only 2 parameters I need, to know if something is legit or not. Personally I don't see how external feedback would help me in anyway. I also doubt someone would know more about something than me after learning it from me, doesn't make much sense right ? This would also imply that those people also know more than the people that know more than me, which are the ones I learned from. Again that's pretty unlikely.

Depends what we are talking about exactly

 

[Peco]

Depends what we are talking about exactly

Anything that has not inherit risk and many benefits, which I argued in the post should be gatekept

 

[Peco]

Yeah it’s more of a mindset, generally being selfish is the way to go but if everyone shares it’s better for everyone, it’s a pretty hard argumentss to talk about but if everyone is generous and shares everyone wins, if everyone is selfish nobody Wins, if someone is selfish in a word full of generous people he wins. Your’e right in this case gatekeeping would be the best move, but doing it makes you kind of a dick.
And as other people are sayng if you discover something other people will de elio it and make it better

I explained in the other replies why I don't think it would help the person improve their knowledge of the topic, since you would share it with people who know less about it then you do. Again the only reason why someone would not gatekeep is out of kindness but that's not convincing enough

 

[HeavyMetalcel]

gatekeeping is what keeps underground communities healthy, quality over quantity

 

[Peco]

gatekeeping is what keeps underground communities healthy, quality over quantity

I'm talking about gatekeeping from everyone though, not only from the people outside of the community. At this point the forum has become so mainstream that if you share something here and it's actually valuable, sooner than later it will make it out of the forum, into tiktok and from there becomes more and more popular.

 

[HeavyMetalcel]

I'm talking about gatekeeping from everyone though, not only from the people outside of the community. At this point the forum has become so mainstream that if you share something here and it's actually valuable, sooner than later it will make it out of the forum, into tiktok and from there becomes more and more popular.

fair I guess, I was thinking about a more broad term when it comes to gatekeeping