Why some immigrants are perpetually Outsiders

[Jason Voorhees]

Nationality and ethnicity are not the same. Certain disporas no matter how integrated they become will always be viewed and seen as outsiders. It depends on phenotype and the political climate at that time once upon a time Irish and Italian Americans were also ostracized, were hated by people and given the otherworldly treatment

but in general it's a lot easier for certain groups to identify as their countries of birth because they are more readily accepted. Think of Mikael a Swedishcel with a thick Swedish accent who moved over from stockholm to settle in Minnesota suburbs working some typical blue collar job will be considered 10x more American than Rajesh an Indian Origin American who was born and raised in LA, has all white friends went to target school has a tech job but will still be treated as an outsider..

East Asian immigrants in the 1970s were seen as perpetual foreigners despite being second generation Americans while white European immigrants were accepted with open arms and even here there was discrimination were slavs were given the boot. This isn't a American thing either. In Germany Turkish immigrants have been living there for decades, but get treated as Talahons..

Some of this boils down to perceived default identity in a society. People unconsciously associate being American German or Swedish with European features accents or cultural markers. That's why no matter how integrated or native someone is they still be treated as an outsider if they don't fit those markers.Certain things are just the way they are and can't be changed. They are out of your control. Even after my H1B application goes through even if I somehow do get a green card I am fully aware that I'll not be seen as anyone but an outsider in this lifetime.

That said, communities, culture, and self identification do matter and over time perceptions can and do shift just look at how Irish, Italian, Blacks and Jewish Americans went from being marginalized to fully part of the mainstream. It is what it is in the end.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@enchanted_elixir @Gengar @IraniancelV2 @5'7" 3/4s @BeanCelll

 

[Gengar]

I thought this was supposed to be a looksmaxxing forum when I signed up.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Still to this day, some Americans of Irish and Italian descent say they’re Irish or Italian, Jfl

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@iblamechico @BigBallsLarry @FaceandBBC

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Still to this day, some Americans of Irish and Italian descent say they’re Irish or Italian, Jfl

that’s cultural identity people can still say they’re Irish or Italian but a century ago they were treated as outsiders. Perception changes over time not identity.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

that’s cultural identity people can still say they’re Irish or Italian but a century ago they were treated as outsiders. Perception changes over time not identity.

Yeah I know.

 

[idealistsynth]

r u chillin wit ur h1b shit bhai

 

[lastofus123]

Blacks are definitely not seen as americans period

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@PlzEndIt @ReadBooksEveryday @takethewhitepill @Swarthy Knight

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Nationality and ethnicity are not the same. Certain disporas no matter how integrated they become will always be viewed and seen as outsiders. It depends on phenotype and the political climate at that time once upon a time Irish and Italian Americans were also ostracized, were hated by people and given the otherworldly treatment


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but in general it's a lot easier for certain groups to identify as their countries of birth because they are more readily accepted. Think of Mikael a Swedishcel with a thick Swedish accent who moved over from stockholm to settle in Minnesota suburbs working some typical blue collar job will be considered 10x more American than Rajesh an Indian Origin American who was born and raised in LA, has all white friends went to target school has a tech job but will still be treated as an outsider..

East Asian immigrants in the 1970s were seen as perpetual foreigners despite being second generation Americans while white European immigrants were accepted with open arms and even here there was discrimination were slavs were given the boot. This isn't a American thing either. In Germany Turkish immigrants have been living there for decades, but get treated as Talahons..

Some of this boils down to perceived default identity in a society. People unconsciously associate being American German or Swedish with European features accents or cultural markers. That's why no matter how integrated or native someone is they still be treated as an outsider if they don't fit those markers.Certain things are just the way they are and can't be changed. They are out of your control. Even after my H1B application goes through even if I somehow do get a green card I am fully aware that I'll not be seen as anyone but an outsider in this lifetime.

That said, communities, culture, and self identification do matter and over time perceptions can and do shift just look at how Irish, Italian, Blacks and Jewish Americans went from being marginalized to fully part of the mainstream. It is what it is in the end.

If immigration stopped, or slowed down by a lot, we could get the perceptions to shift (takes time, and assimilation, and only speaking for the USA) and stabilize our ethnographic composition (or have a white rebound to like ~70-80% if you deport freshies and second gens that never properly integrated for whatever reason or are treasonous hostiles, like prioritizing your country of ethnicity over your own country; a us that has that happen probably will also see a baby boom that is going to be disproportionately white (Germanic white) imo)

Blacks are definitely not seen as americans period

Nonsense. That shouldn’t be a debate.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Blacks are definitely not seen as americans period

Not true. Blacks are seen as Americans. Many have deep roots going back centuries including in the South. US has literally had a black president

 

[lastofus123]

Not true. Blacks are seen as Americans. Many have deep roots going back centuries including in the South. US has literally had a black president

They arent and never will be and they contributed absolutely nothing here, they are parasites who leech off us americans

 

[lastofus123]

Nonsense. That shouldn’t be a debate.

Only europeans can be americans since america has an inherent white identity

 

[Jason Voorhees]

What do you think of spics in america? Side lines group or integrated? @BeanCelll @Tigermoggerlol

 

[lastofus123]

What do you think of spics in america? Side lines group or integrated? @BeanCelll @Tigermoggerlol

They can integrate but often they create enclaves here and its irritating having to learn Spanish and shit in certain places but I have no other issues with them, id rather illegal latinos than niggers or h1b indian

 

[BeanCelll]

What do you think of spics in america? Side lines group or integrated? @BeanCelll @Tigermoggerlol

side line for the most part you don't see any of us doing anything too important

They have damn near colonized areas like L.A though

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

What do you think of spics in america? Side lines group or integrated? @BeanCelll @Tigermoggerlol

Good I guess

 

[Jason Voorhees]

side line for the most part you don't see any of us doing anything too important

They have damn near colonized areas like L.A though

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[enchanted_elixir]

Not true. Blacks are seen as Americans. Many have deep roots going back centuries including in the South. US has literally had a black president

Mulatto*

They arent and never will be and they contributed absolutely nothing here, they are parasites who leech off us american

You just have a distaste for blacks (we can make it illegal and hard to commit the kind of parasitism we see within their groups and it is fixable once we exterminate leftist ideology, since a lot of it is just leftist coddling with welfare and telling police they’re racist if they try to correct the ghetto gangboys and we can’t pass laws and fortify our institutions against it)

But they pass the American test with flying colors, sorry.

 

[lastofus123]

You just have a distaste for blacks (we can make it illegal and hard to commit the kind of parasitism we see within their groups and it is fixable once we exterminate leftist ideology, since a lot of it is just leftist coddling with welfare and telling police they’re racist if they try to and we can’t pass laws and fortify our institutions against it)

But they pass the American test with flying colors, sorry.

All i will say is that there was a reason Terence Crawford got a gun pulled on him by a police officer despite being an "american hero"

And this isnt me, this is my friends and other whites view on this as well most likely

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@gonnabehappy @Jager

 

[gonnabehappy]

As a white guy idfk if I should be a fan of indian immigration or not. On one hand my status goes higher, on the other hand there’s more brainless emotionless indian STEMcels to compete with. At least I will always have an advantage over them because I’m white, but that advantage ceases to exist once I’m interviewed by an indian manager.

 

[gonnabehappy]

And btw when I say that indian people are the most brainless emotionless people I have ever interacted with I’m serious, like they have no creative (“white”) energy at all

White people are generally more creative

 

[Gengar]

As a white guy idfk if I should be a fan of indian immigration or not. On one hand my status goes higher, on the other hand there’s more brainless emotionless indian STEMcels to compete with. At least I will always have an advantage over them because I’m white, but that advantage ceases to exist once I’m interviewed by an indian manager.

My best friend works with Indians and he says they’re basically low sentient robots. But not in a high IQ type of way. More like subservient, doing as they’re told, and just meek in general, etc.

 

[Jager]

My best friend works with Indians and he says they’re basically low sentient robots. But not in a high IQ type of way. More like subservient, doing as they’re told, and just meek in general, etc.

most jeets and brownoids are just brainless they have no original thought they are brainless robots

 

[Gengar]

most jeets and brownoids are just brainless they have no original thought they are brainless robots

Yah, idk though I’ve thankfully never had to deal with them.

 

[TheStonerOne]

Nationality and ethnicity are not the same. Certain disporas no matter how integrated they become will always be viewed and seen as outsiders. It depends on phenotype and the political climate at that time once upon a time Irish and Italian Americans were also ostracized, were hated by people and given the otherworldly treatment


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but in general it's a lot easier for certain groups to identify as their countries of birth because they are more readily accepted. Think of Mikael a Swedishcel with a thick Swedish accent who moved over from stockholm to settle in Minnesota suburbs working some typical blue collar job will be considered 10x more American than Rajesh an Indian Origin American who was born and raised in LA, has all white friends went to target school has a tech job but will still be treated as an outsider..

East Asian immigrants in the 1970s were seen as perpetual foreigners despite being second generation Americans while white European immigrants were accepted with open arms and even here there was discrimination were slavs were given the boot. This isn't a American thing either. In Germany Turkish immigrants have been living there for decades, but get treated as Talahons..

Some of this boils down to perceived default identity in a society. People unconsciously associate being American German or Swedish with European features accents or cultural markers. That's why no matter how integrated or native someone is they still be treated as an outsider if they don't fit those markers.Certain things are just the way they are and can't be changed. They are out of your control. Even after my H1B application goes through even if I somehow do get a green card I am fully aware that I'll not be seen as anyone but an outsider in this lifetime.

That said, communities, culture, and self identification do matter and over time perceptions can and do shift just look at how Irish, Italian, Blacks and Jewish Americans went from being marginalized to fully part of the mainstream. It is what it is in the end.

Stop right there. There is no such thing as "European features". There are GENERAL Western Eurasian craniofacial features that overlap throughout Western Eurasia and to a lesser extent Central Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa. Turks are not this seperate concept from "Europeans" especially not in relation to "Italians".

Turks are disliked in Germany mainly for their religion and to a lesser extent their darker skin. Armenians aren't disliked in Greece for example whilst Turks are despite all three groups largely being largely indistinguishable using sight alone. Armenians are liked because Armenians have a unique cultural and religious link with Greece. Turks are disliked because of their religion. It isn't "morphology" that causes Greeks to seethe at Turks or they'd have to seethe at themselves and Armenians.

 

[decadouche57]

Stop right there. There is no such thing as "European features". There are GENERAL Western Eurasian craniofacial features that overlap throughout Western Eurasia and to a lesser extent Central Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa. Turks are not this seperate concept from "Europeans" especially not in relation to "Italians".

Turks are disliked in Germany mainly for their religion and to a lesser extent their darker skin. Armenians aren't disliked in Greece for example whilst Turks are despite all three groups largely being largely indistinguishable using sight alone. Armenians are liked because Armenians have a unique cultural and religious link with Greece. Turks are disliked because of their religion. It isn't "morphology" that causes Greeks to seethe at Turks or they'd have to seethe at themselves and Armenians.

Turks are literally white imagine comparing them to Indians in America

 

[enchanted_elixir]

What do you think of spics in america? Side lines group or integrated? @BeanCelll @Tigermoggerlol

I am an expert here. Grew up, live around them and I also live in a place where it’s not just Mexican but a good mix of Latino ethnicities and nationalities, so I can definitely say.


My verdict: depends on the generation, environment (political orientation, school culture/work environment, social network (more of them = less incentive to integrate), phenotype, ethnicity, and some others.

First gens, 99.99% hell fucking no. Nearly all first gen Latinos can’t speak English despite being there for decades (it’s like they finished 3% of the Duolingo English course and then went to the states). So they speak Spanish at almost all times, and work and surround themselves with people who do as well,

…sometimes puts flags (almost always Mexicans among the Latinos) or accessories in public display on their cars. They’re nice people, civilized, culturally part European, Christian (but catholic), I like how they’re family oriented (they have really good familial relationships) and they don’t bother anyone, and some of them are hot (male and female) but that’s unacceptable and they should be deported for it even if they came here legally.


And if you live in the southern USA (not thr e south but the southern this of the country in general, everything is both written in both English and Spanish for them (almost looks like a bilingual society sometimes) so society bends on their back to disincentivize learning English and making life easier for them, so much so one can get away with not knowing english if there are enough Latinos around (via making their kids translators and doing and going places what are easy for you given your language constraint)
…

Second gens, mostly kind of. Some learn Spanish before English (house environment) and they’re usually bicultural (two-faced, one in public one in their household)

But most of them do integrate but I think they integrate into this leftist created public school culture and listen to pop music and do pop culture stuff (a decent (30%) amount actually act ghetto, and are usually ethnically Mexicans), with (usually) mild Latino elements that haven’t been removed (the culture is not American enough for me but the culture is American).

A majority of them are (integrated) but according to my standards of integration, they’re not there (like 80% there) and enough and missing some important elements Anglo-Americans and third gens+ typically have (Anglo-American manners, English only, sense of respect or veterans, prioritization and LOYALTY to the USA, there’s so much moire but I hope you understand, some core unadulterated American values, etc.)

Some are (non-leftist environment or learned the missing pieces from conservative media), some aren’t (isolation from American society and live entirely in enclaves).

A decent amount of them prioritize their country of ethnicity (the identity), vs the States which is traitorous. Rarely but sometimes they mix Spanish words in their English or speak Spanish outright (second gens btw)


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Third/fourth gens+, almost always yes.

Phenotypically, they range from Amerind looking to Mediterranean looking (although a small minority may have some Black phenotypic influences (Mullatinos) but it definitely leans more Mediterranean (apparently Latinos in the us they’re 2/3 European on average)

 

[decadouche57]

Stop right there. There is no such thing as "European features". There are GENERAL Western Eurasian craniofacial features that overlap throughout Western Eurasia and to a lesser extent Central Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa. Turks are not this seperate concept from "Europeans" especially not in relation to "Italians".

Turks are disliked in Germany mainly for their religion and to a lesser extent their darker skin. Armenians aren't disliked in Greece for example whilst Turks are despite all three groups largely being largely indistinguishable using sight alone. Armenians are liked because Armenians have a unique cultural and religious link with Greece. Turks are disliked because of their religion. It isn't "morphology" that causes Greeks to seethe at Turks or they'd have to seethe at themselves and Armenians.

Turks are despised throughout the world bc of conquering every single country. Look at the Mogul invasions of India they are some of the most violent invasions in history

 

[enchanted_elixir]

As a white guy idfk if I should be a fan of indian immigration or not. On one hand my status goes higher, on the other hand there’s more brainless emotionless indian STEMcels to compete with. At least I will always have an advantage over them because I’m white, but that advantage ceases to exist once I’m interviewed by an indian manager.

How can they be brainless and in stem lol

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I am an expert here. Grew up, live around them and I also live in a place where it’s not just Mexican but a good mix so I can definitely say.

First gens, 99.99% hell fucking no. Nearly all first gen Latinos can’t speak English despite being there for decades (it’s like they finished 3% of the Duolingo English course and then went to the states),

…sometimes puts flags (almost always Mexicans among the Latinos) or accessories in public display on their cars. They’re nice people, civilized, culturally part European, Christian (but catholic), I like how they’re family oriented (they have really good familial relationships) and they don’t bother anyone, and some of them are hot (male and female) but that’s unacceptable.

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Second gens, mostly kind of. Some learn Spanish before English and they’re usually bicultural.

But most of them do integrate but I think they integrate into this leftist created public school culture, with (usually) mild Latino elements that haven’t been removed (not American enough for me but the culture is American). A majority of them are but according to my standards of integration, they’re not there (like 80% there) and enough and missing some important elements Anglo-Americans and third gens+ have (manners, English only, sense of respect or veterans, prioritization and LOYALTY to the USA, there’s so much moire but I hope you understand, some core unadulterated American values, etc.)

Some are, some aren’t (isolation from American society).

A decent amount of them prioritize their country of ethnicity vs the States which is traitorous imo. At the very least out put an American flag too.


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Third gens+, yes.

Phenotypically, they range from Amerindian looking to Mediterranean looking, but it definitely leans more Mediterranean (apparently Latinos in the us they’re 2/3 European on average)

@Latinolooksmaxxer thoughts?

 

[SplashJuice]

Who cares about fitting in. I'm with the Chinese and Jewish on that one, stick to your own groups and work on your niches, build alliances and leverage, even if the majority hate your guts they can't do much about it.

 

[decadouche57]

most jeets and brownoids are just brainless they have no original thought they are brainless robots

They do the lowest paying tech jobs

 

[LXR]

The sheer immigrant population of Indians going out will make them unlikable for a very long time.

 

[gonnabehappy]

How can they be brainless and in stem lol

Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. I find them to correlate quite well through experience.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

And btw when I say that indian people are the most brainless emotionless people I have ever interacted with I’m serious, like they have no creative (“white”) energy at all

White people are generally more creative

Explain. I don’t have the experience with this so I’d like to know.

 

[decadouche57]

Yah, idk though I’ve thankfully never had to deal with them.

most jeets and brownoids are just brainless they have no original thought they are brainless robots

This Indian guy is well integrated, rich, and jacked and still got rejected by every LTB on this dating show

 

[Gengar]

This Indian guy is well integrated, rich, and jacked and still got rejected by every LTB on this dating show

Indian? He’s black.

 

[decadouche57]

Indian? He’s black.

Skip to 1 minute in

 

[Jager]

ugly and short and a shitskin its over

This Indian guy is well integrated, rich, and jacked and still got rejected by every LTB on this dating show

 

[TheStonerOne]

Turks are despised throughout the world bc of conquering every single country. Look at the Mogul invasions of India they are some of the most violent invasions in history

Well, Turks tend to be excessively proud of the Ottoman Empire which didn't sit well with Syria under Assad or various peoples.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

My best friend works with Indians and he says they’re basically low sentient robots. But not in a high IQ type of way. More like subservient, doing as they’re told, and just meek in general, etc.

I can see that. I don’t know Indians very well but from what I see since I don’t encounter them often but , this is likely valid enough to keep as a rule of thumb.

 

[Gengar]

Skip to 1 minute in

Oh lol. He’s Dravidian I think. Just be Dravidian proven once again.

 

[Gengar]

I can see that. I don’t know Indians very well but from what I see since I don’t encounter them often but , this is likely valid enough to keep as a rule of thumb.

Fair enough.

 

[Copercel]

I thought this was supposed to be a looksmaxxing forum when I signed up.

It’s better. Looksmaxxing is cope

 

[gonnabehappy]

Explain. I don’t have the experience with this so I’d like to know.

Indians are just weird bro, like even if they had a 1600 SAT i’d trust the white guy with a 1600 SAT every day of the week, same with any other race over the indian guy. Indians are just so low trust and low creativity.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Indian? He’s black.

He’s not talking about the host.

 

[Gengar]

It’s better. Looksmaxxing is cope

True.