Why surgery can be honest and not being fake

[.*my*.]

I always thought that you were lying to people if you got surgery, because if you have children they would look like your ugly self, but is that the case?

Any person who has an IQ of over 40 and knows how to read is supposed to know that the face is not purely genetic. The ratio can be genetics to environment ratio 90/10 or 60/40 or even 30/70. Malnutrition, mouth breathing, bottle feeding, pacifier sucking, thumb sucking, illness, injuries etc. all can affect the face.

So let’s say you have a recessed mandible and you go fix it, are you being a fake fag if you do that? I don’t think so. Your genetics allow the mandible to develop fully, however your environment fucked it up. Proof is ancient skulls, and even the recent past, most people didn’t have malocclusion 200 years ago.

You’re a fake fag only if you get surgery for NCT correction, nose width correction, lip fillers, contacts, bleach etc. Anything that’s purely genetics.

 

[Deleted member 10491]

the only surgery i want is lasik tbh and that's not even for looks

 

[.*my*.]

the only surgery i want is lasik tbh and that's not even for looks

How much does it cost?

 

[Deleted member 10491]

How much does it cost?

i think average is around 4-6k it's not too expensive

 

[Deleted member 9989]

It’s not environnement it’s your genetics lmao stop coping

and all surgeon/ortho are jews

 

[.*my*.]

It’s not environnement it’s your genetics lmao stop coping

and all surgeon/ortho are jews

Said the little boy who’s read nothing on this topic

 

[Deleted member 9989]

Said the little boy who’s read nothing on this topic

yes tbh

 

[Deleted member 9989]

Said the little boy who’s read nothing on this topic

Ngl u are right. Osteonomy for recession should be free

 

[Ampere]

i think average is around 4-6k it's not too expensive

2.5k€ in France tbh

You’re a fake fag only if you get surgery for NCT correction, nose width correction, lip fillers, contacts, bleach etc. Anything that’s purely genetics.

Though NCT can be caused by mouth breathing, same as low PFL/high PFH, since the skull develops in length instead of width. I already have good PFL, I would legit have god tier PFL without mouth breathing lmao

 

[Deleted member 6531]

Y'all really overrate the amount the environment has to play in your facial development. It has a miniscule effect compared to your overall genes

 

[Deleted member 643]

To hell with surrendering to an arbitrary self-replicating molecule

 

[.*my*.]

Y'all really overrate the amount the environment has to play in your facial development. It has a miniscule effect compared to your overall genes

Both my parents have straight teeth. My two sisters teeth are crooked. Explanation?

 

[Deleted member 6531]

Both my parents have straight teeth. My two sisters teeth are crooked. Explanation?

Could use a similar example my mum had crooked teeth my dad had straight teeth and I had crooked teeth that needed orthodontics

While my sister came out with perfectly straight teeth,

My dad owns a butcher so we have been having hard meat for proper facial development our whole life

My point is genetics are random, not saying ur sisters didn't fuck up their facial development by the environment but it's likely even with a good environment they would have had crooked teeth definitely to a lesser degree if they had a good environment

 

[Need2Ascend]

These surgeries/osteonomies for fixing your environmental maldevelopment also boost your looks the most
Good functionality = good looks

Fillers/Implants or surgeries that only focus on one little aspect neglecting the bigger picture are the biggest cope and useless in the longterm. If you ever consider them you're not a real looksmaxxer

 

[Deleted member 10615]

most people that mouthbreathed had breathing problems tho, but if you mouthbreathed because something else not genetic then you should be given free surgery to fix what you were meant to have

 

[coping ethnic]

the thing is there is no way to know the ratio, what would be your genetic potential without environmental failure, and whether u maximized your facial attractiveness out of your genetic limitations/potential

I hold the idea that you should be open about your past looks if u enter LTR/marriage, especially if you are gonna procreate

 

[.*my*.]

the thing is there is no way to know the ratio, what would be your genetic potential without environmental failure, and whether u maximized your facial attractiveness out of your genetic limitations/potential

I hold the idea that you should be open about your past looks if u enter LTR/marriage, especially if you are gonna procreate

Bottle fed? Wasted potential. Mouthbreathed? Wasted potential. Thumb sucked? Wasted potential. Mother smoked or drank while pregnant? Wasted potential. No sports in puberty? Wasted potential. Sedentary lifestyle? Wasted potential. Bad hormonal profile in puberty? Wasted potential. So if you had any of these and your child didn’t, more often than not he would be more attractive than you.

 

[Deleted member 3512]

 

[coping ethnic]

Bottle fed? Wasted potential. Mouthbreathed? Wasted potential. Thumb sucked? Wasted potential. Mother smoked or drank while pregnant? Wasted potential. No sports in puberty? Wasted potential. Sedentary lifestyle? Wasted potential. Bad hormonal profile in puberty? Wasted potential. So if you had any of these and your child didn’t, more often than not he would be more attractive than you.

I agree all of them
what I'm saying is different
btw my mother smoked while being pregnant to me, brutal. What I have lost from my potential do you think, also no sports during puberty

 

[.*my*.]

I agree all of them
what I'm saying is different
btw my mother smoked while being pregnant to me, brutal. What I have lost from my potential do you think, also no sports during puberty

Smoking can’t not cause harm while pregnant. What do you look like?

 

[coping ethnic]

I turned out to be average. My teeth are good, no occlusion or bad teeth
my chin is kinda lacking tho, my symmetry could be better, left and right side of my face is not equal enough but is not noticeable to an outsider
forward growth is average

 

[.*my*.]

I turned out to be average. My teeth are good, no occlusion or bad teeth
my chin is kinda lacking tho, my symmetry could be better, left and right side of my face is not equal enough but is not noticeable to an outsider
forward growth is average

What were your habits as a kid and a teenager?

 

[coping ethnic]

mostly sedentary did sport for brief periods
I was breastfed for a good amount of time tho, like 2 years, liked boobs too much