Why you shouldn’t go vegan

[thecel]

Healthmaxxing Prologue: Why meat can kill your Health + Looks

Key Red - Crucial points (can be treated as TL;DR's) Orange - Key terms Blue - Quotes directly from the source Meat and Health In 2015, the World Health Organization had looked over 800 studies from 10 different countries and concluded a direct link to consuming processed meat and...

looksmax.org

Kudos to @christmasnight for making the giga-high-IQ post linked above and citing scientific studies.

However, I think you should NOT go vegan just because of the negative effects of meat consumption. Now, if you’re vegan or want to go vegan for moral reasons, that’s cool, do it bro. But if you want to take meat off your plate for supposed health benefits, it’s not worth it.

First let’s see why the downsides of meat consumption aren’t that big of a deal. So, meat has carcinogens and other bad stuff like high amounts of cholesterol, and the animals are consuming toxins and antibiotics and shit.

Well guess what? Those problems aren’t unique to processed meats. Plants aren’t completely clean and healthy either.



The main points of the YouTube video “Vegetables are Dirtier than Meat” by Frank Tufano are:

• Plants are full of toxins from multiple coats of pesticides sprayed on them, and these toxins cannot be washed off because they’re absorbed into the tissue as the plants are growing.
• They’re grown in manure, like dirt that’s actual shit. Like pesticides, you can’t just rinse this stuff off. Would you eat food out of a toilet? And just like how fish absorb mercury from the ocean, plants absorb toxins from polluted soil.
• Many workers have touched a particular vegetable with their bare hands before you buy it from the grocery store. This is unlike meat processing, where they go to great efforts to sanitize everything.

So you see, vegetables suffer from the same sort of issues as meat, such as containing carcinogens.

Even if meat contains more harmful chemicals than vegetables, grains, and other foods, how many years could you realistically add to your life expectancy just by not eating meat? Like 5 years, max? Tell me what are you gonna be doing at 80, 85, 90, 95 years old. How many women will you be having sex with? Zero.

But the fact that vegetables aren’t any cleaner is not the main reason why you should eat meat. The main reason is the nutrients present in meat that you cannot get from a plant-based diet. For example, although you can get some protein in a vegan diet, the only way to get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight necessary for optimal muscle gain is by eating meat. Furthermore, saturated fat is not really unhealthy, contrary to what many people believe. It’s actually really important to eat saturated fat.

Not all the science agrees on this, but meat in the diet may be essential to becoming a high-testosterone Chad.

A study found switching men from a balanced diet to a plant-based diet caused a 36% testosterone decrease.

In the following video, Frank Tufano explains how the record-breaking sprinter Matthew Boling is so fast because of his diet high in animal-based foods. According to the video, the recent trend of men turning into low-T estrogen factories is due to the modern diet, namely an insufficient amount of animal-based foods.



Frank Tufano has followed a carnivore diet and then quit because of his iron overload issues, but that doesn’t invalidate his points by any means. In the video above, he’s talking about the importance of having meat in the human diet; he’s not saying you should only eat meat.

Like I said before, not all the science agrees with this, but remember what looksmaxxing is all about. If something has even as low as a 10% chance of making you 5% more attractive, logically you’d do that thing. Everything counts.



EDIT: Check out this thread:

https://looksmax.org/threads/veganism-is-a-gigalooksmin.172499/

 

[Deleted member 4209]

its gay /thread

 

[Deleted member 6873]

bold of you to assume i'll take diet advice from Asians JFL. Ah yes lets eat dogs and worms for dinnel hmm velly yummry

 

[Deleted member 4804]

I like how u guys r debating with facts, and science. Legit gave me a break from the shitty mog battles and bullying

 

[Deleted member 6873]

I like how u guys r debating with facts, and science. Legit gave me a break frol the shitty mog battles and bullying

indeed, finally a break from GL man 1 vs Gl man 2 JFL. They'll both slay.

 

[thecel]

I like how u guys r debating with facts, and science. Legit gave me a break from the shitty mog battles and bullying

Morphs and mog battles are the best content on the forum

 

[Deleted member 6488]

Kudos to @christmasnight for making the giga-high-IQ post linked above and citing scientific studies.

thanks for the praise man

meat consumption aren’t that big of a deal. So, meat has carcinogens and other bad stuff like high amounts of cholesterol, and the animals are consuming toxins and antibiotics and shit.

this is juxtaposition. you have essentially said: "meat isn't bad at all! it does cause cancer and contain tons of chemicals, but that's ok."

the effects of consuming meat that you stated are severely undervalued as each individual effect is extremely detrimental in the long-term:

high amount of cholesterol => significantly higher risk of heart disease/blood clotting
toxins and antibiotics => neoplasm formations, decreased immunity, weaker musculoskeletal system

• Plants are full of toxins from multiple coats of pesticides sprayed on them, and these toxins cannot be washed off because they’re absorbed into the tissue as the plants are growing.
• They’re grown in manure, like dirt that’s actual shit. Like pesticides, you can’t just rinse this stuff off. Would you eat food out of a toilet? And just like how fish absorb mercury from the ocean, plants absorb toxins from polluted soil.
• Many workers have touched a particular vegetable with their bare hands before you buy it from the grocery store. This is unlike meat processing, where they go to great efforts to sanitize everything.

yes, plants do have many chemicals sprayed on them. but you have not mentioned anything about organic plants which contain much less chemicals and are subject to much more quality standards. also, several chemicals (specifics on my thread) are used in meat too, so meat is not off the hook with anything.
yes, many plants are grown in manure-like soil/compost, but there is a bright-side to this as they act as a natural fertilizer + provide adequate amounts of micronutrients for the plants to grow.
also, sanitization is not a huge issue if you wash your fruits/vegetable thoroughly with hot water and peel the skin off (a lot of effort but you are doing yourself a favor). they do "sanitize" meat, but there's also a reason why you have risks of fungus + other deadly diseases (ie E.coli) in your meat.

But the fact that vegetables aren’t any cleaner is not the main reason why you should eat meat. The main reason is the nutrients present in meat that you cannot get from a plant-based diet. For example, although you can get some protein in a vegan diet, the only way to get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight necessary for optimal muscle gain is by eating meat. Furthermore, saturated fat is not really unhealthy, contrary to what many people believe. It’s actually really important to eat saturated fat.

this is huge cope. every nutrient you need for an optimal diet that's present in meat is also present in plants. yes, you do have to eat more quantities of plant-based food if you're vegan, but you will still get the same nutrients for sure. look at patrick baboumian, the strongest man in germany. also look at novak djokovic (world #1 tennis player). look at zac efron (jb slayer and popular shredded actor). all of them are 100% plant-based.

Like I said before, not all the science agrees with this, but remember what looksmaxxing is all about. If something has even as low as a 10% chance of making you 5% more attractive, logically you’d do that thing. Everything counts.

if this is your go-to motto, ill understand why you think eating meat would be good for your body. however, out of everything you've described, the only negative aspects of plants (and that too, just non-organic plants) is that they have chemicals, however, meat contains chemicals too and contains much worse (carcinogens (officially declared by the WHO to be on the same-carcinogenic grouping as plutonium), excessive cholesterol, and the rest (which is on the thread).

TL;DR my response to this thread

 

[GigaMogger]

Healthmaxxing Prologue: Why meat can kill your Health + Looks

Key Red - Crucial points (can be treated as TL;DR's) Orange - Key terms Blue - Quotes directly from the source Meat and Health In 2015, the World Health Organization had looked over 800 studies from 10 different countries and concluded a direct link to consuming processed meat and...

looksmax.org

Kudos to @christmasnight for making the giga-high-IQ post linked above and citing scientific studies.

However, I think you should NOT go vegan just because of the negative effects of meat consumption. Now, if you’re vegan or want to go vegan for moral reasons, that’s cool, do it bro. But if you want to take meat off your plate for supposed health benefits, it’s not worth it.

First let’s see why the downsides of meat consumption aren’t that big of a deal. So, meat has carcinogens and other bad stuff like high amounts of cholesterol, and the animals are consuming toxins and antibiotics and shit.

Well guess what? Those problems aren’t unique to processed meats. Plants aren’t completely clean and healthy either.



The main points of the YouTube video “Vegetables are Dirtier than Meat” by Frank Tufano are:

• Plants are full of toxins from multiple coats of pesticides sprayed on them, and these toxins cannot be washed off because they’re absorbed into the tissue as the plants are growing.
• They’re grown in manure, like dirt that’s actual shit. Like pesticides, you can’t just rinse this stuff off. Would you eat food out of a toilet? And just like how fish absorb mercury from the ocean, plants absorb toxins from polluted soil.
• Many workers have touched a particular vegetable with their bare hands before you buy it from the grocery store. This is unlike meat processing, where they go to great efforts to sanitize everything.

So you see, vegetables suffer from the same sort of issues as meat, such as containing carcinogens.

Even if meat contains more harmful chemicals than vegetables, grains, and other foods, how many years could you realistically add to your life expectancy just by not eating meat? Like 5 years, max? Tell me what are you gonna be doing at 80, 85, 90, 95 years old. How many women will you be having sex with? Zero.

But the fact that vegetables aren’t any cleaner is not the main reason why you should eat meat. The main reason is the nutrients present in meat that you cannot get from a plant-based diet. For example, although you can get some protein in a vegan diet, the only way to get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight necessary for optimal muscle gain is by eating meat. Furthermore, saturated fat is not really unhealthy, contrary to what many people believe. It’s actually really important to eat saturated fat.

Not all the science agrees on this, but meat in the diet may be essential to becoming a high-testosterone Chad.

A study found switching men from a balanced diet to a plant-based diet caused a 36% testosterone decrease.

In the following video, Frank Tufano explains how the record-breaking sprinter Matthew Boling is so fast because of his diet high in animal-based foods. According to the video, the recent trend of men turning into low-T estrogen factories is due to the modern diet, namely an insufficient amount of animal-based foods.



Frank Tufano has followed a carnivore diet and then quit because of his iron overload issues, but that doesn’t invalidate his points by any means. In the video above, he’s talking about the importance of having meat in the human diet; he’s not saying you should only eat meat.

Like I said before, not all the science agrees with this, but remember what looksmaxxing is all about. If something has even as low as a 10% chance of making you 5% more attractive, logically you’d do that thing. Everything counts.



EDIT: Check out this thread:

https://looksmax.org/threads/veganism-is-a-gigalooksmin.172499/

Oh shit bro what have you done now they're gonna start making biased comments and tagging their ideological buddies for moral support

 

[Patient A]

lol he's wearing make up

 

[Patient A]

people who only eat meat or only eat vegetables are gay

 

[thecel]

thanks for the praise man

this is juxtaposition. you have essentially said: "meat isn't bad at all! it does cause cancer and contain tons of chemicals, but that's ok."

the effects of consuming meat that you stated are severely undervalued as each individual effect is extremely detrimental in the long-term:

high amount of cholesterol => significantly higher risk of heart disease/blood clotting
toxins and antibiotics => neoplasm formations, decreased immunity, weaker musculoskeletal system


yes, plants do have many chemicals sprayed on them. but you have not mentioned anything about organic plants which contain much less chemicals and are subject to much more quality standards. also, several chemicals (specifics on my thread) are used in meat too, so meat is not off the hook with anything.
yes, many plants are grown in manure-like soil/compost, but there is a bright-side to this as they act as a natural fertilizer + provide adequate amounts of micronutrients for the plants to grow.
also, sanitization is not a huge issue if you wash your fruits/vegetable thoroughly with hot water and peel the skin off (a lot of effort but you are doing yourself a favor). they do "sanitize" meat, but there's also a reason why you have risks of fungus + other deadly diseases (ie E.coli) in your meat.

this is huge cope. every nutrient you need for an optimal diet that's present in meat is also present in plants. yes, you do have to eat more quantities of plant-based food if you're vegan, but you will still get the same nutrients for sure. look at patrick baboumian, the strongest man in germany. also look at novak djokovic (world #1 tennis player). look at zac efron (jb slayer and popular shredded actor). all of them are 100% plant-based.

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if this is your go-to motto, ill understand why you think eating meat would be good for your body. however, out of everything you've described, the only negative aspects of plants (and that too, just non-organic plants) is that they have chemicals, however, meat contains chemicals too and contains much worse (carcinogens (officially declared by the WHO to be on the same-carcinogenic grouping as plutonium), excessive cholesterol, and the rest (which is on the thread).

TL;DR my response to this thread

High IQ

 

[Patient A]

Over for his subhuman eye area

this nigga preaching health but his skin looks fucked and is covered in make up and lipstick JFL TBH

 

[GigaMogger]

This is huge cope. every nutrient you need for an optimal diet that's present in meat is also present in plants. yes, you do have to eat more quantities of plant-based food if you're vegan, but you will still get the same nutrients for sure. look at patrick baboumian, the strongest man in germany. also look at novak djokovic (world #1 tennis player). look at zac efron (jb slayer and popular shredded actor). all of them are 100% plant-based.

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Cope - Patrick Baboumian and Zac Efron obviously have roids to thank for their respective attributes, and for all we know so does Djokovic (we didn't know Lance Armstrong was using until he got found out) and they all have good genetics as well as the fact that they didn't grow up (aka, develop) on a plant-based diet.

 

[Deleted member 6488]

Cope - Patrick Baboumian and Zac Efron obviously have roids to thank for their respective attributes, and for all we know so does Djokovic (we didn't know Lance Armstrong was using until he got found out) and they all have good genetics as well as the fact that they didn't grow up (aka, develop) on a plant-based diet.

i don't know much about steroids but all i can say is that they have those bodies maintained on a 100% plant-based diet.

and to be honest, djokovic looks really natty, but i always had a small feeling that this guy used to use.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Healthmaxxing Prologue: Why meat can kill your Health + Looks

Key Red - Crucial points (can be treated as TL;DR's) Orange - Key terms Blue - Quotes directly from the source Meat and Health In 2015, the World Health Organization had looked over 800 studies from 10 different countries and concluded a direct link to consuming processed meat and...

looksmax.org

Kudos to @christmasnight for making the giga-high-IQ post linked above and citing scientific studies.

However, I think you should NOT go vegan just because of the negative effects of meat consumption. Now, if you’re vegan or want to go vegan for moral reasons, that’s cool, do it bro. But if you want to take meat off your plate for supposed health benefits, it’s not worth it.

First let’s see why the downsides of meat consumption aren’t that big of a deal. So, meat has carcinogens and other bad stuff like high amounts of cholesterol, and the animals are consuming toxins and antibiotics and shit.

Well guess what? Those problems aren’t unique to processed meats. Plants aren’t completely clean and healthy either.



The main points of the YouTube video “Vegetables are Dirtier than Meat” by Frank Tufano are:

• Plants are full of toxins from multiple coats of pesticides sprayed on them, and these toxins cannot be washed off because they’re absorbed into the tissue as the plants are growing.
• They’re grown in manure, like dirt that’s actual shit. Like pesticides, you can’t just rinse this stuff off. Would you eat food out of a toilet? And just like how fish absorb mercury from the ocean, plants absorb toxins from polluted soil.
• Many workers have touched a particular vegetable with their bare hands before you buy it from the grocery store. This is unlike meat processing, where they go to great efforts to sanitize everything.

So you see, vegetables suffer from the same sort of issues as meat, such as containing carcinogens.

Even if meat contains more harmful chemicals than vegetables, grains, and other foods, how many years could you realistically add to your life expectancy just by not eating meat? Like 5 years, max? Tell me what are you gonna be doing at 80, 85, 90, 95 years old. How many women will you be having sex with? Zero.

But the fact that vegetables aren’t any cleaner is not the main reason why you should eat meat. The main reason is the nutrients present in meat that you cannot get from a plant-based diet. For example, although you can get some protein in a vegan diet, the only way to get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight necessary for optimal muscle gain is by eating meat. Furthermore, saturated fat is not really unhealthy, contrary to what many people believe. It’s actually really important to eat saturated fat.

Not all the science agrees on this, but meat in the diet may be essential to becoming a high-testosterone Chad.

A study found switching men from a balanced diet to a plant-based diet caused a 36% testosterone decrease.

In the following video, Frank Tufano explains how the record-breaking sprinter Matthew Boling is so fast because of his diet high in animal-based foods. According to the video, the recent trend of men turning into low-T estrogen factories is due to the modern diet, namely an insufficient amount of animal-based foods.



Frank Tufano has followed a carnivore diet and then quit because of his iron overload issues, but that doesn’t invalidate his points by any means. In the video above, he’s talking about the importance of having meat in the human diet; he’s not saying you should only eat meat.

Like I said before, not all the science agrees with this, but remember what looksmaxxing is all about. If something has even as low as a 10% chance of making you 5% more attractive, logically you’d do that thing. Everything counts.



EDIT: Check out this thread:

https://looksmax.org/threads/veganism-is-a-gigalooksmin.172499/

i respect your open minded approach to disagreements without name calling or sperging out.

you made some valid claims and good on you for citing the counter-claims you brought up.

Some evidence isn't on the same level as others though. big brain @GigaMogger also cited a manic carnivores youtuber who has been hospitalised because of his diet multiple times as counter evidence to giant randomised WHO studies and you're falling into a similar direction by bringing up Frank Tuffano.

These are your 2 main arguments:
Even if meat contains more harmful chemicals than vegetables, grains, and other foods, how many years could you realistically add to your life expectancy just by not eating meat? Like 5 years, max? Tell me what are you gonna be doing at 80, 85, 90, 95 years old. How many women will you be having sex with? Zero.

--> this is an argument ad absurdum. if it doesn't make a difference for you if you live longer, why bring it up. it doesn't validate your point in any way.

But the fact that vegetables aren’t any cleaner is not the main reason why you should eat meat. The main reason is the nutrients present in meat that you cannot get from a plant-based diet. For example, although you can get some protein in a vegan diet, the only way to get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight necessary for optimal muscle gain is by eating meat. Furthermore, saturated fat is not really unhealthy, contrary to what many people believe. It’s actually really important to eat saturated fat.

--> that's sadly simply not true. if you cite frank tufano, let me cite nut-case Vegangains:


watch any of his "full day of eating videos" and track what he eats. he get's well over the recommended 1g/kg body weight of protein

Keep your open-mindedness and always compare facts to come to a conclusion of your own. just don't eat carnivore until then because that could seriously harm you.

 

[GigaMogger]

Some evidence isn't on the same level as others though. big brain @GigaMogger also cited a manic carnivores youtuber who has been hospitalised because of his diet multiple times as counter evidence to giant randomised WHO studies and you're falling into a similar direction by bringing up Frank Tuffano.

I didn't 'cite' him jfl I linked a compilation of vegan influencers who experienced rapid aging (LOOKSMINNED FAGGOTS) that happened to be made by him while expressing no support for him as an individual OR his diet (I advocate a balanced diet, carnivore and vegan diets both lead to nutritional deficiencies and are therefore not the optimal diet for health you absolute retard)

I even clarified this earlier when I said:

"Ah yeah I should probably make this clear I don't advocate for that guy or his diet

But the compilation speaks for itself and there's no use making ad hominems against him as it doesn't adequately refute the clear accelerated aging experienced by many vegan influencers "

For someone who claims to be so intelligent you seem to rely on ad hominems a lot, here's a useful link for you buddy boyo:

Ad hominem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Never even began for MoeZartcels

 

[Deleted member 7098]

I didn't 'cite' him jfl I linked a compilation of vegan influencers who experienced rapid aging (LOOKSMINNED FAGGOTS) that happened to be made by him while expressing no support for him as an individual OR his diet (I advocate a balanced diet, carnivore and vegan diets both lead to nutritional deficiencies and are therefore not the optimal diet for health you absolute retard)

I even clarified this earlier when I said:

"Ah yeah I should probably make this clear I don't advocate for that guy or his diet

But the compilation speaks for itself and there's no use making ad hominems against him as it doesn't adequately refute the clear accelerated aging experienced by many vegan influencers "

For someone who claims to be so intelligent you seem to rely on ad hominems a lot, here's a useful link for you buddy boyo:

Ad hominem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Never even began for MoeZartcels

take a philosophy class. you literally don't know what these words mean. +. you can't read basic articles and lack IQ if you think some self-starving people give a fair representative of the entire vegan population.

let me show you balanced diet cancer patients, they look similar to the guys in your compilation. so your diet must also be bad because i've seen skeletons on a balanced diet.

try to engage in normal arguments instead of googleing random words you've heard once on a tv show and spamming wikipedia articles of it. you're the one who didn't go to university i know what they mean

 

[GigaMogger]

take a philosophy class. you literally don't know what these words mean.

You're such a fucking retard it's unbelievable

 

[Deleted member 7098]

You're such a fucking retard it's unbelievable

you're the one looking at mentally ill self-starving people and say they give a fair representation of a much wider population. if you think you're that smart bring up good arguments instead of talking out of your ass

 

[GigaMogger]

you're the one looking at mentally ill self-starving people and say they give a fair representation of a much wider population. if you think you're that smart bring up good arguments instead of talking out of your ass

Some high level cope you get there fren

 

[thecel]

Even if meat contains more harmful chemicals than vegetables, grains, and other foods, how many years could you realistically add to your life expectancy just by not eating meat? Like 5 years, max? Tell me what are you gonna be doing at 80, 85, 90, 95 years old. How many women will you be having sex with? Zero.

--> this is an argument ad absurdum. if it doesn't make a difference for you if you live longer, why bring it up. it doesn't validate your point in any way.

This argument counters looksmaxxers who want to switch to a vegan diet because they believe they’ll be exposed to less carcinogens and dangerous chemicals.

Let’s just say, for the sake of argument, it’s true that meat has more harmful chemicals than non-meat foods. The point is, even if a vegan diet can improve your health, the age at which these benefits matter is not an age when you’re gonna be fucking any girls. The prospect of better health when you’re 65 isn’t significant enough to justify giving up meat, as life over the age of 40 isn’t something any incel should be concerned about. Therefore, for an incel/looksmaxxer, going vegan gives you zero benefit, so one should keep his current diet.

watch any of his "full day of eating videos" and track what he eats. he get's well over the recommended 1g/kg body weight of protein

I watched the video and learned some shit

I should’ve done more research jfl

So vegans can get high amounts of protein, and knowing that definitely makes veganism not seem too bad. But what about the lowered testosterone levels? Studies show men’s testosterone decreases when they switch to vegan diets.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

This argument counters looksmaxxers who want to switch to a vegan diet because they believe they’ll be exposed to less carcinogens and dangerous chemicals.

Let’s just say, for the sake of argument, it’s true that meat has more harmful chemicals than non-meat foods. The point is, even if a vegan diet can improve your health, the age at which these benefits matter is not an age when you’re gonna be fucking any girls. The prospect of better health when you’re 65 isn’t significant enough to justify giving up meat, as life over the age of 40 isn’t something any incel should be concerned about. Therefore, for an incel/looksmaxxer, going vegan gives you zero benefit, so one should keep his current diet.



I watched the video and learned some shit

I should’ve done more research jfl

So vegans can get high amounts of protein, and knowing that definitely makes veganism not seem too bad. But what about the lowered testosterone levels? Studies show men’s testosterone decreases when they switch to vegan diets.

i could throw you big recent studies from very reputable sources like the WHO showing that the average vegan male has higher T levels than the average "normal meat eating diet" male.

but rather than doing that, the study you cited is this one:

Sci-Hub | Decrease of serum total and free testosterone during a low-fat high-fibre diet. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry, 18(3), 369–370 | 10.1016/0022-4731(83)90117-6

• literally 2 pages
• 40 years old
• very low sample size (30 participants)
• not released in a reputable journal (hasn't been pear reviewed)
• didn't control for caloric intake

there's so much wrong with it and just because the headline and abstract make a good talking point doesn't make it a good basis on what to form your argument on

 

[thecel]

i could throw you big recent studies from very reputable sources like the WHO showing that the average vegan male has higher T levels than the average "normal meat eating diet" male.

but rather than doing that, the study you cited is this one:

Sci-Hub | Decrease of serum total and free testosterone during a low-fat high-fibre diet. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry, 18(3), 369–370 | 10.1016/0022-4731(83)90117-6

• literally 2 pages
• 40 years old
• not released in a reputable journal (hasn't been pear reviewed)
• didn't control for caloric intake

there's so much wrong with it and just because the headline and abstract make a good talking point doesn't make it a good basis on what to form your argument on

high iq.

you know I don’t read studies tho; I just cite the same studies other people cite lol

 

[Deleted member 7098]

high iq.

you know I don’t read studies tho; I just cite the same studies other people cite lol

noticed that. but Gigamogger or Frank Tuffano aren't reputable sources for information

if you don't want to bother reading through studies (because most, in contrary to yours, are very long, boring and complex) just stick to recent ones that are released in top journals or are from big institutions like the WHO or National Health Ministry

 

[elfmaxx]

Permanent brain damage from vitamin b12 deficiency is the only reason I need

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Permanent brain damage from vitamin b12 deficiency is the only reason I need

scary stuff bro. the meat you eat that contains it also get's it supplemented, the cow is just the middle man

 

[Papal_Guard]

Vegans gotta inject a bunch of supplemental vitamins into their bodies that are in meat that they dont want to eat for whatever reason, they're retarded and usually look 80 yrs old with terrible skin quality

 

[Bewusst]

Jfl at listening to Frank Tufano

 

[thecel]

https://looksmax.org/threads/total-calories-from-animal-protein-vs-mean-male-height.175066/

Yo what do y’all think about this data

 

[CoconutMan]

If you contemplate going vegan as a man you're already low T

 

[Dionysus]

Even if all facts support veganism I'd never do it purely for the fact i associate it with faggotry

 

[poloralf]

I literally only eat from a plate if an animal was slaughtered to make my food

 

[Schizoidcel]

Because if you do it wrong like 99% of vegans you'll look like this

 

[DrTony]

Healthmaxxing Prologue: Why meat can kill your Health + Looks

Key Red - Crucial points (can be treated as TL;DR's) Orange - Key terms Blue - Quotes directly from the source Meat and Health In 2015, the World Health Organization had looked over 800 studies from 10 different countries and concluded a direct link to consuming processed meat and...

looksmax.org

Kudos to @christmasnight for making the giga-high-IQ post linked above and citing scientific studies.

However, I think you should NOT go vegan just because of the negative effects of meat consumption. Now, if you’re vegan or want to go vegan for moral reasons, that’s cool, do it bro. But if you want to take meat off your plate for supposed health benefits, it’s not worth it.

First let’s see why the downsides of meat consumption aren’t that big of a deal. So, meat has carcinogens and other bad stuff like high amounts of cholesterol, and the animals are consuming toxins and antibiotics and shit.

Well guess what? Those problems aren’t unique to processed meats. Plants aren’t completely clean and healthy either.



The main points of the YouTube video “Vegetables are Dirtier than Meat” by Frank Tufano are:

• Plants are full of toxins from multiple coats of pesticides sprayed on them, and these toxins cannot be washed off because they’re absorbed into the tissue as the plants are growing.
• They’re grown in manure, like dirt that’s actual shit. Like pesticides, you can’t just rinse this stuff off. Would you eat food out of a toilet? And just like how fish absorb mercury from the ocean, plants absorb toxins from polluted soil.
• Many workers have touched a particular vegetable with their bare hands before you buy it from the grocery store. This is unlike meat processing, where they go to great efforts to sanitize everything.

So you see, vegetables suffer from the same sort of issues as meat, such as containing carcinogens.

Even if meat contains more harmful chemicals than vegetables, grains, and other foods, how many years could you realistically add to your life expectancy just by not eating meat? Like 5 years, max? Tell me what are you gonna be doing at 80, 85, 90, 95 years old. How many women will you be having sex with? Zero.

But the fact that vegetables aren’t any cleaner is not the main reason why you should eat meat. The main reason is the nutrients present in meat that you cannot get from a plant-based diet. For example, although you can get some protein in a vegan diet, the only way to get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight necessary for optimal muscle gain is by eating meat. Furthermore, saturated fat is not really unhealthy, contrary to what many people believe. It’s actually really important to eat saturated fat.

Not all the science agrees on this, but meat in the diet may be essential to becoming a high-testosterone Chad.

A study found switching men from a balanced diet to a plant-based diet caused a 36% testosterone decrease.

In the following video, Frank Tufano explains how the record-breaking sprinter Matthew Boling is so fast because of his diet high in animal-based foods. According to the video, the recent trend of men turning into low-T estrogen factories is due to the modern diet, namely an insufficient amount of animal-based foods.



Frank Tufano has followed a carnivore diet and then quit because of his iron overload issues, but that doesn’t invalidate his points by any means. In the video above, he’s talking about the importance of having meat in the human diet; he’s not saying you should only eat meat.

Like I said before, not all the science agrees with this, but remember what looksmaxxing is all about. If something has even as low as a 10% chance of making you 5% more attractive, logically you’d do that thing. Everything counts.



EDIT: Check out this thread:

https://looksmax.org/threads/veganism-is-a-gigalooksmin.172499/

the effect of diet on cancer incidence is laughably low. The biggest risk factor for cancer is age, smoking, lack of physical activity, excess UV exposure and alcohol consumption. Diet is last one the list, and if you have the technical know how to interpret epidemiological studies and statistics you will quickly realize the relative risk and odds ratio quoted even when seemingly high, still it’s terribly low given the low prevalence of cancer. Diet simply does Not have a big impact whether you ll get cancer or not when you get older. It certainly gives people hope they have control tho. Read up on Stanford’s biostatistician John Ioannides on the topic. Being part of the cancer research community We should make a better job at understanding the molecular mechanisms of different types of cancer and finding effective therapies. It’s an extremely hard task but with enough government funding, countless lab hours, progress will come. We have already made tremendous progress for so many cancers already.