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No, he won’t be dogmaxxed if he does BIMAX with counter clockwise rotation.OP needs bimax.
It's interesting it looks like his maxilla is in front of his eyes and brow area (although it is hard to see with the censored area), yet his lower face/neck area still looks very receded. Is this the kind of face that would look dogmaxxed if he gets his jaws advanced?
Absolutely not, you should pursue bimaxillary surgery, specifically with counter clockwise rotation. Let me explain.Wondering if genio alone can fix my subhuman side profile
That's exactly what i'm fearing.OP needs bimax.
It's interesting it looks like his maxilla is in front of his eyes and brow area (although it is hard to see with the censored area), yet his lower face/neck area still looks very receded. Is this the kind of face that would look dogmaxxed if he gets his jaws advanced?
Wow. Thanks for the reply! Another relevant piece of info is that my bite is perfect as it is now, do you think this might complicate the case for this surgery? Additionaly, who are the best surgeons to perform this? I know that Ramieri is great for bimax, but i don't know about CCW.Absolutely not, you should pursue bimaxillary surgery, specifically with counter clockwise rotation. Let me explain.
Your posture is fooling you.
I rotated your head in line with the Frankfurt plane, a line which runs from above your ear canal through the orbital rim. It reveals your true recession using a line I dropped from your forehead. This recession is of your jaws, not your chin.
View attachment 1675036
The most aesthetic profile, I believe, is when soft tissue aligns somewhere closer to the line.
Your upper maxilla is downward grown, causing your mandible to have grown short and hence your chin looks small. The issue isn't your chin however, it’s shortness and downward direction of the jaws.
Here is the change we want to replicate with bimaxillary surgery, specifically counter-clockwise rotation of the jaws:
View attachment 1675040
See how by rotating the upper jaw in a counter-clockwise direction the mandible can 'swing up' into the correct position?
Well I morphed a very rough potential outcome of such a procedure:
View attachment 1675047
It's pretty hard to morph this nicely because of where your jaws are sitting though.
You can also expect the soft tissue under your chin to stretch out around the new longer jaws as I morphed. It also improves your posture as your head does not rotate back to open the airway anymore. Breathing improved, aesthetics improved.... it is the only answer for you in my opinion.
So, do not pursue genioplasty. If you get bimax (double jaw) surgery with a good surgeon, they usually include that as part of the procedure any way.
Did you have orthodontic treatment when younger? Extractions? Elastics? You might need decompensation for your teeth. The surgeon will know about this.Wow. Thanks for the reply! Another relevant piece of info is that my bite is perfect as it is now, do you think this might complicate the case for this surgery?
Ramieri does ccw. So do Pagnoni, Alfaro and a few others. If you fear looking overdone then Ramieri is the best choice since he is very careful with his movements. However the drawback is that you risk an underwhelming result.Additionaly, who are the best surgeons to perform this? I know that Ramieri is great for bimax, but i don't know about CCW.
Perfect bite can still get bimax, in fact CCW is the only way you can realign jaws when teeth meet. However, as Zenturio said your orthodontic treatment may have masked a class II.Wow. Thanks for the reply! Another relevant piece of info is that my bite is perfect as it is now, do you think this might complicate the case for this surgery? Additionaly, who are the best surgeons to perform this? I know that Ramieri is great for bimax, but i don't know about CCW.
Also one other thing about this image. Because your jaws are small, they play a huge role in your bad posture. You stand with your head rotated back slightly because your jaws interfere with your airway. So in order to compensate for your airway, your body reverts to poor posture because it opens your airway up.
If you send a proper side profile pic to Ramieri, he would probably write a referral letter for you to get a cone beam CT, and specify how he wants it done. Using the DICOM files from that he can take a full look at your bone, soft tissue and airway in 3D.I can talk to my orthodontist to get more info if relevant.
Such a high IQ take. I can’t believe I almost considered getting only genio and rhino 6 months ago. Bimax or Death babyyyyyAbsolutely not, you should pursue bimaxillary surgery, specifically with counter clockwise rotation. Let me explain.
Your posture is fooling you.
I rotated your head in line with the Frankfurt plane, a line which runs from above your ear canal through the orbital rim. It reveals your true recession using a line I dropped from your forehead. This recession is of your jaws, not your chin.
View attachment 1675036
The most aesthetic profile, I believe, is when soft tissue aligns somewhere closer to the line.
Your upper maxilla is downward grown, causing your mandible to have grown short and hence your chin looks small. The issue isn't your chin however, it’s shortness and downward direction of the jaws.
Here is the change we want to replicate with bimaxillary surgery, specifically counter-clockwise rotation of the jaws:
View attachment 1675040
See how by rotating the upper jaw in a counter-clockwise direction the mandible can 'swing up' into the correct position?
Well I morphed a very rough potential outcome of such a procedure:
View attachment 1675047
It's pretty hard to morph this nicely because of where your jaws are sitting though.
You can also expect the soft tissue under your chin to stretch out around the new longer jaws as I morphed. It also improves your posture as your head does not rotate back to open the airway anymore. Breathing improved, aesthetics improved.... it is the only answer for you in my opinion.
So, do not pursue genioplasty. If you get bimax (double jaw) surgery with a good surgeon, they usually include that as part of the procedure any way.
what app do you use to make these morphs?Absolutely not, you should pursue bimaxillary surgery, specifically with counter clockwise rotation. Let me explain.
Your posture is fooling you.
I rotated your head in line with the Frankfurt plane, a line which runs from above your ear canal through the orbital rim. It reveals your true recession using a line I dropped from your forehead. This recession is of your jaws, not your chin.
View attachment 1675036
The most aesthetic profile, I believe, is when soft tissue aligns somewhere closer to the line.
Your upper maxilla is downward grown, causing your mandible to have grown short and hence your chin looks small. The issue isn't your chin however, it’s shortness and downward direction of the jaws.
Here is the change we want to replicate with bimaxillary surgery, specifically counter-clockwise rotation of the jaws:
View attachment 1675040
See how by rotating the upper jaw in a counter-clockwise direction the mandible can 'swing up' into the correct position?
Well I morphed a very rough potential outcome of such a procedure:
View attachment 1675047
It's pretty hard to morph this nicely because of where your jaws are sitting though.
You can also expect the soft tissue under your chin to stretch out around the new longer jaws as I morphed. It also improves your posture as your head does not rotate back to open the airway anymore. Breathing improved, aesthetics improved.... it is the only answer for you in my opinion.
So, do not pursue genioplasty. If you get bimax (double jaw) surgery with a good surgeon, they usually include that as part of the procedure any way.
Nigga doesn't have forward growth but backward growth his recession is so badYou are very recessed you need trimax
With Ramieri?My surgery is scheduled. Should ascend me hard
Hes tilting his head backOP needs bimax.
It's interesting it looks like his maxilla is in front of his eyes and brow area (although it is hard to see with the censored area), yet his lower face/neck area still looks very receded. Is this the kind of face that would look dogmaxxed if he gets his jaws advanced?
You got bimax brah?Just had the surgery. The surgeon is a brazilian and a very good one. He was very conservative with the movements. His hole team and even my mom (who saw me before the swelling) are vey excited for the results.
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how did the surgery go? are you satisfied with the result, can you show them?
Famous last wordsAbsolutely not.
Your chin is not recessed, the surgeon will not go past your lips. He could perform 2-3mm advancement at best.
You have an absolute recessed jaw, that's your main problem : Don't be a pussy and go full bimax. I'm sick and tired of seing pictures of jawcels trying to cope with genio.
Edit : nevermind, didn't check the date. Glad to see that opie opted for a bimax, good jod bro.
I was never recessed but thanks for the bump.Famous last words
Elab aren’t you the black guy with prognathism?I was never recessed but thanks for the bump.
Brutal.Absolutely not, you should pursue bimaxillary surgery, specifically with counter clockwise rotation. Let me explain.
Your posture is fooling you.
I rotated your head in line with the Frankfurt plane, a line which runs from above your ear canal through the orbital rim. It reveals your true recession using a line I dropped from your forehead. This recession is of your jaws, not your chin.
View attachment 1675036
The most aesthetic profile, I believe, is when soft tissue aligns somewhere closer to the line.
Your upper maxilla is downward grown, causing your mandible to have grown short and hence your chin looks small. The issue isn't your chin however, it’s shortness and downward direction of the jaws.
Here is the change we want to replicate with bimaxillary surgery, specifically counter-clockwise rotation of the jaws:
View attachment 1675040
See how by rotating the upper jaw in a counter-clockwise direction the mandible can 'swing up' into the correct position?
Well I morphed a very rough potential outcome of such a procedure:
View attachment 1675047
It's pretty hard to morph this nicely because of where your jaws are sitting though.
You can also expect the soft tissue under your chin to stretch out around the new longer jaws as I morphed. It also improves your posture as your head does not rotate back to open the airway anymore. Breathing improved, aesthetics improved.... it is the only answer for you in my opinion.
So, do not pursue genioplasty. If you get bimax (double jaw) surgery with a good surgeon, they usually include that as part of the procedure any way.