Will vertically shortening maxilla will be ever possible?

[Deleted member 5385]

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[Chintuck22]

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[needsolution]

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[Mongrelcel]

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[needsolution]

Zephir

 

[Deleted member 399]

I think its probably possible, but its a brutal surgery.

 

[needsolution]

I think its probably possible, but its a brutal surgery.

It would require soft tissue shortening in middle of face, honestly i dont think its possible.

 

[Deleted member 399]

It would require soft tissue shortening in middle of face, honestly i dont think its possible.

Ah you're right! Having the right base is so important! Base > Surgerymaxxing.

 

[tianeptinelook]

It is already possible but it is not a getting fillers

 

[Deleted member 8846]

btw, shooting your midface with a shotgun make your maxilla recessed?

 

[Deleted member 7866]

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[Swolepenisman]

Reducing nose length by pulling skin up then getting a lil lift would essentially be vertically shortening it

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Reducing nose length by pulling skin up then getting a lil lift would essentially be vertically shortening it

I have never thought about this

 

[orthochadic]

Under the orbital portion it's possible.(nose under the orbital portion with high lefort 1 impaction/philtrum with lefort 1 impaction)
And ccwising the orbital portion is possible with modified oblique lefort III.
Orbital portion doesn't lengthen as much as the nose which doesn't lengthen as much as the philtrum. The lower it is, the more altered it will be in lengthening. So after ccw the orbital portion, you would almost have your genetic height level of "upper middle third" (orbital portion of the maxilla lol too much repetition of the same word sorry)

Also if your nose is long but your philtrum small it's because your philtrum is recessed so the philtrum soft tissue fall over the teeth and the upper lip muscle isn't needed as the deep bite created, force the lower lip to do all the hard work for the seal, so the lower lips goes high and the upper lips doesn't bulk up during growth, and stay relatively high on the upper incisor during the seal which is why the philtrum may look short. But if the upper lip was at the somion level (when forward grown at the philtrum), Philtrum would show it's real length.
This is why John Mew use the indicator line, because watching the soft tissue philtrum doesn't help determining the actually lengthening. As the bony philtrum is what lengthen the most, indicator line helps perfectly determining the amount of lengthening.)

-So infraorbital part of maxilla get ccwised so that their lengthening is almost gone (which wasn't huge excepted on deformed case 0,5 psl)

-Nose is shortened untill the infraorbital part

-philtrum is shortened as well.

So it's actually possible nowdays. Modified oblique lefort III and High lefort I impaction aren't extreme, they are done on non syndromic patients.

 

[Swolepenisman]

I have never thought about this

Like look at pitts nose in pictures just Google young pitt his nose is really pulled up like a pigs and chiseled like there's no loose or thick skin, his philtrum seems almost sorta long on some pics bc of it so if someone like me with a nose that isn't horribly ling but could be better had all that excess thick skin removed and the sides pulled up and then got lip lift I'm pretty sure my face would appear a decent bit more compact

 

[orthochadic]

So many grammatical errors but lazy af

 

[000]

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Fuck that I need to find ways to vertically lengthen my maxilla (no surgeries).

 

[orthochadic]

Fuck that I need to find ways to vertically lengthen my maxilla (no surgeries).

Send pic in private i wanna now if this is what you need or not. It seems unlikely you need more maxilla length. Maybe your just recessed without any downward growth (child face), and that you only need modified leofrt 3 advancement ?

 

[000]

Send pic in private i wanna now if this is what you need or not. It seems unlikely you need more maxilla length. Maybe your just recessed without any downward growth (child face), and that you only need modified leofrt 3 advancement ?

I plan on rotating my maxilla CCW a lot which will make my midface even shorter, so I need something to balance it out. I don’t know if HGH makes it longer or shorter.

 

[orthochadic]

I plan on rotating my maxilla CCW a lot which will make my midface even shorter, so I need something to balance it out. I don’t know if HGH makes it longer or shorter.

Why ccwising it if it's already short ?

 

[000]

Why ccwising it if it's already short ?

I will do it when I find a solution to make my midface bone longer. CCW rotating has multiple benefits like improving cheekbones and all of that, it reshapes the entire structure.

 

[orthochadic]

Ccw

I will do it when I find a solution to make my midface bone longer. CCW rotating has multiple benefits like improving cheekbones and all of that, it reshapes the entire structure.

send a pic in pm if you want to. If your cheekbones are low how the fuck the rest would be short ? Now go to the mirror please and get a straight forehead posture (forehead perpendicular to the ground) and tell me if your nose is either:
-too short
-balanced
-too long

And tell me if your outer eye canthus is pct or nct

And tell me if your cheekbone is low or high ?

Maybe you don't need to ccw but just advancement.

Also take a ruler and cheek your mew indicator line:

measure the distance from the bottom of your incisor untill your nose tip.

 

[000]

Ccw

send a pic in pm if you want to. If your cheekbones are low how the fuck the rest would be short ? Now go to the mirror please and get a straight forehead posture (forehead perpendicular to the ground) and tell me if your nose is either:
-too short
-balanced
-too long

And tell me if your outer eye canthus is pct or nct

And tell me if your cheekbone is low or high ?

Maybe you don't need to ccw but just advancement.

Also take a ruler and cheek your mew indicator line:

measure the distance from the bottom of your incisor untill your nose tip.

CCW will always make your features better no matter what, I don’t need it, I want it. I plan on rotating A LOT.

 

[orthochadic]

Uggly cheek bones either come from falling down or recession, or lack of width.

And the only reason you would need to ccw wouod be tgar your face has collapsed downward.

Many people doesn't look long because they have the short face syndrome (small lower third).

 

[000]

Uggly cheek bones either come from falling down or recession, or lack of width.

And the only reason you would need to ccw wouod be tgar your face has collapsed downward.

Many people doesn't look long because they have the short face syndrome (small lower third).

My lower third is kind of short sadly

 

[curryslayerordeath]

yes, in the case that u have excess. if not, its not possible, the guy above sperging with his paragraphs is completely wrong. those same exact things were considered an option for me by a renowned surgeon, and they are no different from conventional things recommended (just less time/money needed).

tbh idek why ur so concerned abt ur 1.0 midface, u seem to have the wide balkan skull which would look good w/ ur truecel lower third fixed

 

[orthochadic]

yes, in the case that u have excess. if not, its not possible, the guy above sperging with his paragraphs is completely wrong. those same exact things were considered an option for me by a renowned surgeon, and they are no different from conventional things recommended (just less time/money needed).

tbh idek why ur so concerned abt ur 1.0 midface, u seem to have the wide balkan skull which would look good w/ ur truecel lower third fixed

totally wrong jfl. CCW movement does exist for the whole maxilla.
And impacting over the ans with a high lefort 1 to the point the ans is almost at the floor of the orbital portion level is lifefuel.
The myth about cutting the skull in half for the nose is easily debunked by this beautiful surgery.
Ans and maxilla orbital portion both go upside.
The guy on the before is sloping his forehead more, yet his nose take the same amount of vertical length than the guy on the after pic adopting a straight forehead.

3rd pic tells us what happen with that surgery:
Ans moves up and forward while nasion doesn't move, which implies for a given neck/forehead posture the nose would take less height.
And then if the nose is still long a high lefort 1 impaction can be done.
So tell me what's wrong you've never given me an answer that i could understand yet.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

totally wrong jfl. CCW movement does exist for the whole maxilla.
And impacting over the ans with a high lefort 1 to the point the ans is almost at the floor of the orbital portion level is lifefuel.
The myth about cutting the skull in half for the nose is easily debunked by this beautiful surgery.
Ans and maxilla orbital portion both go upside.
The guy on the before is sloping his forehead more, yet his nose take the same amount of vertical length than the guy on the after pic adopting a straight forehead.

3rd pic tells us what happen with that surgery:
Ans moves up and forward while nasion doesn't move, which implies for a given neck/forehead posture the nose would take less height.
And then if the nose is still long a high lefort 1 impaction can be done.

dude what the fuck are u saying? there is no high lefort 1 impaction. the nasal spine isnt changing at all. ur too retarded to tell whats an illusion and whats real with the posture. i was considering putting down a deposit on the exact fucking procedures u talk abt, but decided to go with a different approach. i have seen multiple cases from well known surgeons and know what results look like.

i myself would be elated at the possibility of having that level of dystrophic correction, but i know whats realistic and not.

So tell me what's wrong you've never given me an answer that i could understand yet.

i dont know how u dont understand the last time i posted on ur prev thread, but look at it this way. no surgeon has a conventional protocol for this seemingly "simple" thing that u happened to discover right? are u that crazy lucky/intelligent to stumble upon a new approach?

 

[orthochadic]

dude what the fuck are u saying? there is no high lefort 1 impaction. the nasal spine isnt changing at all. ur too retarded to tell whats an illusion and whats real with the posture. i was considering putting down a deposit on the exact fucking procedures u talk abt, but decided to go with a different approach. i have seen multiple cases from well known surgeons and know what results look like.

i myself would be elated at the possibility of having that level of dystrophic correction, but i know whats realistic and not.


i dont know how u dont understand the last time i posted on ur prev thread, but look at it this way. no surgeon has a conventional protocol for this seemingly "simple" thing that u happened to discover right? are u that crazy lucky/intelligent to stumble upon a new approach?

Impaction over ANS is performed in Korea:
And sergio OMS said it's done as well.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Impaction over ANS is performed in Korea:
And sergio OMS said it's done as well.

thats done in the case of excess growth below the nose, so only in certain cases is it applicable (gummy smile). the soft tissue of the nose doesnt change (which is why midface is unchangeable), but yea it is a ccw movement for certain ppl. you over-extrapolated sergio's response.

no matter what bone cuts you make, the soft tissue of the nose [and whole midface structure] stays the same.

 

[orthochadic]

thats done in the case of excess growth below the nose, so only in certain cases is it applicable (gummy smile). the soft tissue of the nose doesnt change (which is why midface is unchangeable), but yea it is a ccw movement for certain ppl. you over-extrapolated sergio's response.

no matter what bone cuts you make, the soft tissue of the nose [and whole midface structure] stays the same.

isn't the nose base the anterior nasal spine ?

 

[curryslayerordeath]

isn't the nose base the anterior nasal spine ?

well in those chronic mouthbreather dytrophic cases u see, that point grows in excess also causing a gummy smile, lip incompetence, etc. so its like the nose is getting "stretched" more than its actual amount, so impacting brings it to proper orientation. this doesnt shorten midface nor does it rly apply to any other cases (like u or OP).

 

[orthochadic]

well in those chronic mouthbreather dytrophic cases u see, that point grows in excess also causing a gummy smile, lip incompetence, etc. so its like the nose is getting "stretched" more than its actual amount, so impacting brings it to proper orientation. this doesnt shorten midface nor does it rly apply to any other cases (like u or OP).

"that point" refer to the ANS ?
=>So the nose base move up and forward right ? after the impaction while the nasion doesn't right ?
=>So on a vertical axis, the relative level of the nasion to the ans is lower right ?

I'm not saying wether it's a shortening or not as maybe we are using different terms to talk a out the same phenomenon.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

look for urself:

the other osteotomies u mentioned dont even impact any section, so even further away.

"that point" refer to the ANS ?
=>So the nose base move up and forward right ? after the impaction while the nasion doesn't right ?
=>So on a vertical axis, the relative level of the nasion to the ans is lower right ?

I'm not saying wether it's a shortening or not as maybe we are using different terms to talk a out the same phenomenon.

yes technically it does (its overgrown in certain cases), but your whole motivation behind mention it is the nose height and midfacial structure positions, which doesnt fuckign change. the soft tissue relationships do not change since they arent attached to the cuts. if u cant understand past this, stop posting ur dogshit broscience and get a lobotomy to restore some semblance of brain function.

 

[orthochadic]

look for urself:

the other osteotomies u mentioned dont even impact any section, so even further away.



yes technically it does (its overgrown in certain cases), but your whole motivation behind mention it is the nose height and midfacial structure positions, which doesnt fuckign change. the soft tissue relationships do not change since they arent attached to the cuts. if u cant understand past this, stop posting ur dogshit broscience and get a lobotomy to restore some semblance of brain function.

Seems lile they digged into the bone to recreate the before nasal cavity anterior opening in the video or am i autistic jfl.
what the fuck is that shit ?

I either missunderstood, or surgeons are bluepilled AF.
Why would they dig into the bone while reducing nasal carthilage height is much easier ?

1st pic: long nose

2nd pic:shorter nose

3rd pic:long nose

Time to ask ..........:

@Sergio-OMS
I guess this is what you meant on this messages talking about rhinoseptoplasty in order to get a shorter nose which is the alternative of digging into the maxilla to recreate the former space, if i inderstood well unless i'm autistic.

Lifefuel question i feel i'm getting closer to my dreams sergio, i need your help, all the forum is preying you to know if our bird nose can be fixed or not
.

If it's possible i wanna get it done by you i'm in France and i know well Madrid as i used to study there. Just getting a 16 hours bus and i'm in Madrid estacion sur jfl.
Also do you know fernandez pedroche the Madrid Orthotropics ?

 

[orthochadic]

I'm getting cloooooseeerrrrrrr and hope the C will be kept haahahaha so funny lmfao hahahahaha.
Can't sleep lol. Potential life change.

 

[orthochadic]

YEAH VICTORY I JUST READ ABOUT RHINOSEPTOPLASTY. IT'S LEGIT AS FUCK GOOD BYE LONG NOSES

 

[orthochadic]

@Taylorswift don't be a motherfucker and read this thread please bro. Lifefuel finallt for you. ❤❤❤
You always seem depressed ngl.

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Why the f this happen again

 

[Deleted member 4430]

after the devil goes to work on ice skates

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Fuckin genome

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Seems lile they digged into the bone to recreate the before nasal cavity anterior opening in the video or am i autistic jfl.
what the fuck is that shit ?

I either missunderstood, or surgeons are bluepilled AF.
Why would they dig into the bone while reducing nasal carthilage height is much easier ?

1st pic: long nose

2nd pic:shorter nose

3rd pic:long nose

Time to ask ..........:

@Sergio-OMS
I guess this is what you meant on this messages talking about rhinoseptoplasty in order to get a shorter nose which is the alternative of digging into the maxilla to recreate the former space, if i inderstood well unless i'm autistic.

Lifefuel question i feel i'm getting closer to my dreams sergio, i need your help, all the forum is preying you to know if our bird nose can be fixed or not
.

If it's possible i wanna get it done by you i'm in France and i know well Madrid as i used to study there. Just getting a 16 hours bus and i'm in Madrid estacion sur jfl.
Also do you know fernandez pedroche the Madrid Orthotropics ?

yea lol thats why its for certain ppl w excess. height doesnt change at all since there is no soft tissue cut.

what sergio means (i think) is that rhinoseptoplasty can take care of a droopy tip, which does indeed make the nose look longer. its not actuall reducing the bridge height tho.

stop presenting this shit as smth it isnt.

 

[Deleted member 5385]

yea lol thats why its for certain ppl w excess. height doesnt change at all since there is no soft tissue cut.

what sergio means (i think) is that rhinoseptoplasty can take care of a droopy tip, which does indeed make the nose look longer. its not actuall reducing the bridge height tho.

stop presenting this shit as smth it isnt.

At least he is trying to find solution or improve what already is
Most ppl here only say cope, rope, kill yourself, without 0.01% genetics you are shit, this forum is for looksmaxxing not to took everybody self esteem to negative.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

At least he is trying to find solution or improve what already is

tbh that would be by visiting doctors and planning surgeries based off of what they tell you, instead of misunderstanding papers then attempting to create holy grail solutions.

i have a quite steep gonial angle myself (although my midface is fine), but i dont try and delude myself into believing every aspect of my face can just be played around with. it is kinda frustrating to see ppl claim that it can be, when theyre obviously deluded.

 

[orthochadic]

yea lol thats why its for certain ppl w excess. height doesnt change at all since there is no soft tissue cut.

what sergio means (i think) is that rhinoseptoplasty can take care of a droopy tip, which does indeed make the nose look longer. its not actuall reducing the bridge height tho.

stop presenting this shit as smth it isnt.

Answer to that please:

1)Is the ANS the nose BASE.
2)If so, as the nose base moves upward while the nasion remains constant,
how the fuck would the nose not being shorter ?
First idea was that they dig into the nasal bone to restaure the former cavity height instead of shortening the carthilage septum, which seems to be dumb and bluepilled as fuck. After perfectly cuting into the maxilla/vomer/ they will then dig into the maxilla ? Why would they easily cut bones, and leave the carthilages unchanged to then dig into the nasal cavity floor aka maxilla bone wtf.

I don't get it. WHY can't they reduce the czrthilage as well. Seems as easy to cut the carthilage part of the septup as the vomer part.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Answer to that please:

1)Is the ANS the nose BASE.
2)If so, as the nose base moves upward while the nasion remains constant,
how the fuck would the nose not being shorter ?
First idea was that they dig into the nasal bone to restaure the former cavity height instead of shortening the carthilage septum, which seems to be dumb and bluepilled as fuck. After perfectly cuting into the maxilla/vomer/ they will then dig into the maxilla ? Why can they cut easily bones, and deciding to leave the carthilages unchanged to then dig into the bone wtf.

I don't get it. WHY can't they reduce the czrthilage as well. Seems as easy to cut the carthilage part of the septup as the vomer part.

dude ive answered those already twice in these threads. you consider it "bluepilled", but surgeons consider it impossible to cut into the nasal base cartilage and reattach. its pretty much conventional knowledge that this length cant be changed, idk how u much so much fucking difficulty processing why.

 

[orthochadic]

dude ive answered those already twice in these threads. you consider it "bluepilled", but surgeons consider it impossible to cut into the nasal base cartilage and reattach. its pretty much conventional knowledge that this length cant be changed, idk how u much so much fucking difficulty processing why.

first time you said that cutting the nasal carthilage was impossible.
Are you telling me that midface shortening can't happen because of carthilage not even because of bone. How crazy is that !
So peoples are fucked for life because of 1 fucking thin carthilage .
So cutting bone is easy as fuck, but noooo shit the carthilage is here .

If this is true, we should find a new pill color. Black wouldn't be enough for this case.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

first time you said that cutting the nasal carthilage was impossible.
Are you telling me that midface shortening can't happen because of carthilage not even because of bone. How crazy is that !
So peoples are fucked for life because of 1 fucking thin carthilage .

If this is true, we should find a new pill color. Black wouodn't be enough for this case.

yes and yes...

jesus christ took u an insane amt of fucking time to reach the obvious conclusion

 

[Deleted member 5385]

yes and yes...

jesus christ took u an insane amt of fucking time to reach the obvious conclusion

You must understand that people can be really motivated in fixing problems. And accepting your flaws is cope, also people here don't help in accepting yourself( especially some redcels with really huge knowledge WHO will insult you for your imperfections and make you feel like a shit)

 

[curryslayerordeath]

You must understand that people can be really motivated in fixing problems. And accepting your flaws is cope, also people here don't help in accepting yourself( especially some redcels with really huge knowledge WHO will insult you for your imperfections and make you feel like a shit)

motivated=putting down thousands of dollars and going thru pain, not just rotting

lol bro dont get influenced that much, especially by ppl here. everyone reaches an end to this temporary existence, theres no meaning to those imperfections in the end...