Would running 300mg Test + 150mg EQ be equivalent to 450mg Test

[Magicmagicians]

Its obvious moderate test doses are better for bloating and side effect profiles.

Since EQ and Test have a similar androgenic rating, would running the sum of both be the exact same gains-wise as running just Test, assuming e2 is in range

And what would be the benefit in running 300mg Test + 150 eq over 450mg Test for 20 weeks

I was thinkign of increasing my Test dose since My bloodwork showed I was 1500ng/dl on 300mg Test. Wanna reach the 1800-2000 range but if 150 eq is already bring the extra adrogenic action then ig Its fine to stay at 1500ng/dl

 

[Magicmagicians]

Bump

 

[Magicmagicians]

Bump

 

[buccalfatremoval]

Its obvious moderate test doses are better for bloating and side effect profiles.

Since EQ and Test have a similar androgenic rating, would running the sum of both be the exact same gains-wise as running just Test, assuming e2 is in range

And what would be the benefit in running 300mg Test + 150 eq over 450mg Test for 20 weeks

I was thinkign of increasing my Test dose since My bloodwork showed I was 1500ng/dl on 300mg Test. Wanna reach the 1800-2000 range but if 150 eq is already bring the extra adrogenic action then ig Its fine to stay at 1500ng/dl

Taking eq would reduce bloat no need to miss out on gains from a higher test dose

 

[Magicmagicians]

Taking eq would reduce bloat no need to miss out on gains from a higher test dose

But would running 300 + 150eq be the same as 450 test? I dont think I neee to run 600mg of gear im tryna stick to under 500

 

[buccalfatremoval]

But would running 300 + 150eq be the same as 450 test? I dont think I neee to run 600mg of gear im tryna stick to under 500

I’m assuming you mean gains wise, no 450 test would mog
Why don’t you want to pin over 500mg?

 

[Magicmagicians]

I’m assuming you mean gains wise, no 450 test would mog
Why don’t you want to pin over 500mg?

I just don't know if theres a point in terms of gains over side effects, like im already 5 years into gym im doing a first and final cut off cycle basically dropping from 17% bf to 12% bf while getting like an extra 4-6 kgs of lean muscle in this 20 week cycle. I wanna make sure im not cooking myself to the point I have to cruise indefinetly, since I have a gf who I dont want to know I started a cycle, I also have like 200 days worth of enclo for pct.

Im just thinking going from 300-450 will just result in more hair loss, more bloating, more skin issues, more body acne.

 

[buccalfatremoval]

I just don't know if theres a point in terms of gains over side effects, like im already 5 years into gym im doing a first and final cut off cycle basically dropping from 17% bf to 12% bf while getting like an extra 4-6 kgs of lean muscle in this 20 week cycle. I wanna make sure im not cooking myself to the point I have to cruise indefinetly, since I have a gf who I dont want to know I started a cycle, I also have like 200 days worth of enclo for pct.

Im just thinking going from 300-450 will just result in more hair loss, more bloating, more skin issues, more body acne.

I understand your concerns but they’re so easily manageable on a test only or test+eq cycle.
And if you’re only blasting once might as well get the best of it.
Oral accutane or tret for acne
Fin, dut or ru58841 for hair loss
Eq would mild bloating
And it’s best to run the cycle post cut for maximum gains on a maintenance calories or ~500 surplus

 

[Magicmagicians]

I understand your concerns but they’re so easily manageable on a test only or test+eq cycle.
And if you’re only blasting once might as well get the best of it.
Oral accutane or tret for acne
Fin, dut or ru58841 for hair loss
Eq would mild bloating
And it’s best to run the cycle post cut for maximum gains on a maintenance calories or ~500 surplus

I would love ru but in NZ its absolutely impossible to get one, there's only 1 supplier for nz and they only have finasteride. One thing I don't understand about finasteride is if u run it during cycle, does it basically stop all the hair loss that would have happened on cycle?
I thought fin takes months to start working, and also when I finish my cycle Id wanna get off Fin, would getting off it result in hair loss?
Those are the main concerns I have

Also, I don't really need too much more muscle. I just need to keep the muscle I have as I drop to low bf and gain a little more in these 20 weeks. That's why I came to the conclusion I'll run it with the cut as the gains I need aren't nearly as needed as me dropping weight, and also the gains I need are probably only 5kgs more.

Lastly im currently running my cycle subq, as im just use to it, doing daily pins of 0.3mls, pushing to 500ml would probably result in 0.5mls of oil each day subq which might not be absorbed aswell tbh idk

Is the gains from smth like 350mg to (450-500) actually that substatial, watching some utube and mpmd it kinda leans to mass gain drops heavily from after 300 like gains-wise per mg of test

Thx for the help btw

 

[anondude]

Mabye similar to around 400 test but that’s a good first cycle don’t up the test anymore those are both steroids where fin and dut work for

 

[Magicmagicians]

Mabye similar to around 400 test but that’s a good first cycle don’t up the test anymore those are both steroids where fin and dut work for

So I should be running fin for the cycle?, also if I run fin wont I just lose hair as soon as I get off fin after the cycle or can fin temporarily block dht just for the cycle's length and then my fair will be fine after dropping test and fin

 

[anondude]

So I should be running fin for the cycle?, also if I run fin wont I just lose hair as soon as I get off fin after the cycle or can fin temporarily block dht just for the cycle's length and then my fair will be fine after dropping test and fin

Run it forever with minoxidil there’s no reason not to
Rep me unc

 

[Magicmagicians]

Run it forever with minoxidil there’s no reason not to
Rep me unc

Bro, I don't want to run it forever; the fewer supplements, the better, especially if my hair is healthy now. Side effects I experience from fin will just lead to more ancylleries, minox also causes bloating

 

[anondude]

Bro, I don't want to run it forever; the fewer supplements, the better, especially if my hair is healthy now. Side effects I experience from fin will just lead to more ancylleries, minox also causes bloating

Then lose ur hair

 

[SoundnVision]

Bro, I don't want to run it forever; the fewer supplements, the better, especially if my hair is healthy now. Side effects I experience from fin will just lead to more ancylleries, minox also causes bloating

If you're not gonna do high level trt after cycling you will lose all gains made

 

[Magicmagicians]

If you're not gonna do high level trt after cycling you will lose all gains made

Not true at all lol

 

[Magicmagicians]

Then lose ur hair

right, if I havent experienced any hair loss 6 weeks in at 300, I doubt im going down norwoods after this

 

[SoundnVision]

Not true at all lol

Keep coping if you want

 

[Magicmagicians]

Keep coping if you want

Even in this forum, there are hundreds showing that's just not true. I don't know where u thought a decent pct after a cycle leads to no kept gains, that's quite retarded unless ur running 1 gram of gear and tryna gain 15kgs a cycle

 

[SoundnVision]

Even in this forum, there are hundreds showing that's just not true. I don't know where u thought a decent pct after a cycle leads to no kept gains, that's quite retarded unless ur running 1 gram of gear and tryna gain 15kgs a cycle

your natty test isn't enough to keep mass gained on 300mg of test.which is much much higher than your body naturally produces
Your body produces naturally 40mg roughly a week

 

[Magicmagicians]

your natty test isn't enough to keep mass gained on 300mg of test.which is much much higher than your body naturally produces
Your body produces naturally 40mg roughly a week

Correct, but ur logic only applies if you have reached or are nearing your natty limit, muscle retention does not work that way unless ur really close to ur natty limit.

Think about influencers like Hussein that blasted from skinny to jacked, and then kept "natty" status by never taking any testosterone after his batch of gains, sure he hasnt increased his muscle mass from when he took roids but he has definitely kept most of his gains. Not saying everyone is hussein but u are likely to keep 70% or more if ur not reaching natty limit

 

[SoundnVision]

Correct, but ur logic only applies if you have reached or are nearing your natty limit, muscle retention does not work that way unless ur really close to ur natty limit.

Think about influencers like Hussein that blasted from skinny to jacked, and then kept "natty" status by never taking any testosterone after his batch of gains, sure he hasnt increased his muscle mass from when he took roids but he has definitely kept most of his gains. Not saying everyone is hussein but u are likely to keep 70% or more if ur not reaching natty limit

He's on trt

 

[Magicmagicians]

He's on trt

The tests he's realeased show he is not his fsh and lh are fine. Are u just making shit up to ragebait

 

[SoundnVision]

The tests he's realeased show he is not his fsh and lh are fine. Are u just making shit up to ragebait

Unless he's getting tested every month and showing results it means nothing

 

[Magicmagicians]

Unless he's getting tested every month and showing results it means nothing

Im pretty sure he did about 3

 

[SoundnVision]

Im pretty sure he did about 3

Then it proves nothing