Would u do OBO for 43.6% ESR?

[fakechadtillyoumake]

I have a lil close set eyes. Ideally I wanna make it to 46%. My FWHR is 1.87x and 1.33x total height to width ratio. Midface ratio 0.93-0.95 (depends). One eye apart test around 1.06x (Asian pheno). I'll do trimax probably before. So do u think OBO is high iq move? My orbitals a bit assymetrical but not that substantially visible. Also I have low set cheekbones. I plan to lengthen chin via trimax (genio) so total height to width will be around 1.37x(ish) and cheekbone implants to make look them high set. P.S. very old photos where I'm somehow not bloated, now i'm more bloated with poor features but can send it anyways. Also I'm frauding front with subtle smile for better mouth width to nose ratio. Let me know if i'm overthinking. I just wanna brutally mog

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

I considered upper blepharoplasty but now I think maybe i just need full reconstruction. FWHR will be ideal after implants, ESR too. Total width probably too if i do genio with vertical lengthening before. Then soft tissue work like upper bleph + i think i will need eyelid retraction cuz i have a lil sclera taht visible under eye. Ipsilateral angle will be ideal (if we don't take skin, it's around 81-82, so moving pupils should fix it too). That's how i see my hardmax path. Also what u think about order of surgeries

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

Alternative solution I thought about is to get minimal lip lift so my midface ratio and fwhr would be ideal too. (accepted philtrum call). Then just to do cheekbone reduction (risky cuz decreases fwhr but makes better esr) and hairline reduction to restore total height to width ratio.

Alternative plan:
Trimax
Rhinoplasty
Cheekbone reduction + lip lift + hairline reduction
Blepharoplasty+epicanthoplasty+lower lid retraction repair (???) + canthoplasty(???).
Endoscopic midface lift for downturned mouth and widening a bit mouth.

 

[oculus]

obo for what

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

obo for what

to increase ipd

 

[oculus]

double eyelid surgery and need more nasal projection

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

double eyelid surgery and need more nasal projection

but maxilla quite flat, and chin flat and feminine too. Nasolabial folds like of 60yo femboy

 

[qwertynineofive]

Absolutely not. Based on the pic of you i see no need for obo. You’ve measured so you know the exact numbers but to my eyes, on immediate glance they look perfectly spaced. You have other priorities to attend to.

 

[Nonethnic]

im also considering obo with tripod osteotomy + impants i have 43 esr as well. im pretty sure obo should be done before trimax tho

 

[oculus]

Absolutely not. Based on the pic of you i see no need for obo. You’ve measured so you know the exact numbers but to my eyes, on immediate glance they look perfectly spaced. You have other priorities to attend to.

i literally measured it with my thumb and index lolll

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

Absolutely not. Based on the pic of you i see no need for obo. You’ve measured so you know the exact numbers but to my eyes, on immediate glance they look perfectly spaced. You have other priorities to attend to.

so what's then? Just blepharo?

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

i literally measured it with my thumb and index lolll

You would leave it 43ish? On faceiq labs it's around (6.5-7)/10

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

im also considering obo with tripod osteotomy + impants i have 43 esr as well. im pretty sure obo should be done before trimax tho

Why? They're pretty non-intersactional i guess

 

[oculus]

You would leave it 43ish? On faceiq labs it's around (6.5-7)/10

it’s perfect bro face iq labs seriously

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

it’s perfect bro face iq labs seriously

so u mean 46 is not better or is not worth it? And what u think about else surgeries that i listed? Like either way it's OBO+cheekbone implants or lip lift to improve midface ratio and FWHR. Or philtrum pretty okay too?

 

[accutanefuckedme]

@PEENO08 @Maxillular

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

@PEENO08 @Maxillular

what u think bro

 

[Nonethnic]

so u mean 46 is not better or is not worth it? And what u think about else surgeries that i listed? Like either way it's OBO or lip lift to improve midface ratio and FWHR. Or philtrum pretty okay too?

im ngl obo isnt worth it for you
ur philtrum is pretty long u should get a lip lift

 

[Foreverbrad]

No and to be honest many ideal ESR standards have been based on photos with lens distortion typical of wide angle cameras. The whole “science” of facial ratios is very problematic as they can vary wildly between - at the extremes - a front camera selfie and a CT scan measured orthogonally.

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

im ngl obo isnt worth it for you
ur philtrum is pretty long u should get a lip lift

chin to philtrum ratio around 2.26x and lower third proportion 34%. I thought it's either philtrum shortening or a lil chin lengthening. But in ur case u also said u have 43%, what's the difference between us?

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

No and to be honest many ideal ESR standards have been based on photos with lens distortion typical of wide angle cameras. The whole “science” of facial ratios is very problematic as they can vary wildly between - at the extremes - a front camera selfie and a CT scan measured orthogonally.

yeah i consider i could overthink about some man created human stats but the eye area still pretty bad, like for example what you think about other surgeries that I mentioned? btw i already did eyebrow transplant, still scars left after 1.5 months but results only seems to be after a year

 

[idont]

I have a lil close set eyes. Ideally I wanna make it to 46%. My FWHR is 1.87x and 1.33x total height to width ratio. Midface ratio 0.93-0.95 (depends). One eye apart test around 1.06x (Asian pheno). I'll do trimax probably before. So do u think OBO is high iq move? My orbitals a bit assymetrical but not that substantially visible. Also I have low set cheekbones. I plan to lengthen chin via trimax (genio) so total height to width will be around 1.37x(ish) and cheekbone implants to make look them high set. P.S. very old photos where I'm somehow not bloated, now i'm more bloated with poor features but can send it anyways. Also I'm frauding front with subtle smile for better mouth width to nose ratio. Let me know if i'm overthinking. I just wanna brutally mog View attachment 4713672View attachment 4713681View attachment 4713719View attachment 4713720

you do not require an obo for your esr
ian somerhalder looks worse with an “ideal esr”

it is one of the ratios that isnt perfect yk

u probs need genio ccw with lefort and rhino augmentation for projection
post op u probs need implants

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

Also i scheduled 14th april upper blepharoplasty + epicanthoplasty, but i can easily dismiss it if needed

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

you do not require an obo for your esr
ian somerhalder looks worse with an “ideal esr”

it is one of the ratios that isnt perfect yk

u probs need genio ccw with lefort and rhino augmentation for projection
post op u probs need implants

what about eye area, just blepharoplasty? And do u think i need lower eyelid retraction repair? Or again overthinking? Dunno about implants, ideally i wanna increase projection of subnasion via lefort, cuz i had choice where surgeon just recommended paranasal implants for me, but it's kinda meh

 

[Lefor3Laser]

No and to be honest many ideal ESR standards have been based on photos with lens distortion typical of wide angle cameras. The whole “science” of facial ratios is very problematic as they can vary wildly between - at the extremes - a front camera selfie and a CT scan measured orthogonally.

And that's why you can never trust the camera.

You'd better figure ratios out by the scans rather than photos with lens distortion, unless the photo was taken without lens distortion.

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

And that's why you can never trust the camera.

You'd better figure ratios out by the scans rather than photos with lens distortion, unless the photo was taken without lens distortion.

Gotcha, btw what u think about overall that i've mentioned? Btw photo 2m away, back camera, on eyes level

 

[Nonethnic]

chin to philtrum ratio around 2.26x and lower third proportion 34%. I thought it's either philtrum shortening or a lil chin lengthening. But in ur case u also said u have 43%, what's the difference between us?

i think for you both lip lift would do more since it would help ur mfr n fwhr. but blepharoplasty would ascend ur eye area the most
i have 43 esr but my pfl isnt very wide. also my icd is low but urs isnt

 

[idont]

what about eye area, just blepharoplasty? And do u think i need lower eyelid retraction repair? Or again overthinking? Dunno about implants, ideally i wanna increase projection of subnasion via lefort, cuz i had choice where surgeon just recommended paranasal implants for me, but it's kinda meh

no dont get paranasal implants lefort will give you subnasal projection

upper blepharo yes
infra orbital ridge implants

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I have a lil close set eyes. Ideally I wanna make it to 46%. My FWHR is 1.87x and 1.33x total height to width ratio. Midface ratio 0.93-0.95 (depends). One eye apart test around 1.06x (Asian pheno). I'll do trimax probably before. So do u think OBO is high iq move? My orbitals a bit assymetrical but not that substantially visible. Also I have low set cheekbones. I plan to lengthen chin via trimax (genio) so total height to width will be around 1.37x(ish) and cheekbone implants to make look them high set. P.S. very old photos where I'm somehow not bloated, now i'm more bloated with poor features but can send it anyways. Also I'm frauding front with subtle smile for better mouth width to nose ratio. Let me know if i'm overthinking. I just wanna brutally mog View attachment 4713672View attachment 4713681View attachment 4713719View attachment 4713720

Will be straight forward to the point:
Obo?, no.
Trimax?, probably (because chin height is already in the ideal range)
Cheekbone implant?, no (there's no such a thing as low set cheekbones, only high bone volume in the region).

Gotcha, btw what u think about overall that i've mentioned? Btw photo 2m away, back camera, on eyes level

That's still not enough even if it's 2 m away, there will always be lens distortion no matter what, the lowest lens distortion you'll see is when it was taken with a professional camera from afar.

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

i think for you both lip lift would do more since it would help ur mfr n fwhr. but blepharoplasty would ascend ur eye area the most
i have 43 esr but my pfl isnt very wide. also my icd is low but urs isnt

But my ipsilateral alar angle isn't optimal tbf. After my skin will be opened after blepharo, it will be around 81-82, ideally should be 84ish+. so it's either eyes could me more distanced or nose shorter (fs not the case). And what u think about lower eyelid retraction? Coping or decent?

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

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no dont get paranasal implants lefort will give you subnasal projection

upper blepharo yes
infra orbital ridge implants

don't u think after lefort i could probably won't need infras implants? So for eye area only blepharo but no lower lid retraction cuz my eye will be more opened and will be rounded more

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

Will be straight forward to the point:
Obo?, no.
Trimax?, probably (because chin height is already in the ideal range)
Cheekbone implant?, no (there's no such a thing as low set cheekbones, only high bone volume in the region).

That's still not enough even if it's 2 m away, there will always be lens distortion no matter what, the lowest lens distortion you'll see is when it was taken with a professional camera from afar.

so you would leave that i have pretty much big distance between pupil and peakest point of my width then? I also thought about it like it won't much improve my face and the worst case i could do some fat grafting there or it's cope too? What u think about eyelid retraction and upper blepharoplasty to make low crease?

 

[idont]

don't u think after lefort i could probably won't need infras implants? So for eye area only blepharo but no lower lid retraction cuz my eye will be more opened and will be rounded more

not always

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

not always

so then at least i need to consider it after just bleph yeah? Cuz I thought about to do them at aonce

 

[idont]

so then at least i need to consider it after just bleph yeah? Cuz I thought about to do them at aonce

depends really
start with orthognathics first

 

[fraudster#1]

I have a lil close set eyes.

OBO will never be worthy it. just risking ruining ur vision for thing i can even notice
u have other things tho worry

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

depends really
start with orthognathics first

btw i thought about what surgeon to potentially go for. Like I have class I so it should be only aesthetic reason for them to do it. Since i don't have severe recessed disbalanced case. Should I overpay for Raffaini/Ramieri or could potentially go for some cheaper surgeons that just could agree with me that i need some projection movement?

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

OBO will never be worthy it. just risking ruining ur vision for thing i can even notice
u have other things tho worry

So my alternative plan is good? Lip lift, bleph and everything i mentioned.

 

[idont]

btw i thought about what surgeon to potentially go for. Like I have class I so it should be only aesthetic reason for them to do it. Since i don't have severe recessed disbalanced case. Should I overpay for Raffaini/Ramieri or could potentially go for some cheaper surgeons that just could agree with me that i need some projection movement?

dm @yussimania for personal advice

he will help you

 

[Nonethnic]

But my ipsilateral alar angle isn't optimal tbf. After my skin will be opened after blepharo, it will be around 81-82, ideally should be 84ish+. so it's either eyes could me more distanced or nose shorter (fs not the case). And what u think about lower eyelid retraction? Coping or decent?

i mean you could improve ipsilateral alar angle by increasing ur pfl and/or ipd with obo. but ur icd looks ideal to me so you u would have to get tripod osteotomy with that if u were to get obo. i dont know much about lower eyelid retraction but im planning on js doing saddled infra implants instead. i dont think lower eyelid retraction would help u imo infra implants would be better.

 

[Jgns]

theres a botb thread about this but its not about ur esr its about ur nose not being defined enough

 

[fraudster#1]

So my alternative plan is good? Lip lift, bleph and everything i mentioned.

yes is good

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

theres a botb thread about this but its not about ur esr its about ur nose not being defined enough

so u think this is number one priority and not the jaw? Btw do u know surgeons that makes this type of rhino? Cuz I only lack in projection that's it, everything else is pretty ideal. So then only bleph for eyes also u think?

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

i mean you could improve ipsilateral alar angle by increasing ur pfl and/or ipd with obo. but ur icd looks ideal to me so you u would have to get tripod osteotomy with that if u were to get obo. i dont know much about lower eyelid retraction but im planning on js doing saddled infra implants instead. i dont think lower eyelid retraction would help u imo infra implants would be better.

ok got it huge thanks. 81 is not that critical tbf, like still decent, so maybe ur right

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

yes is good

thanks

 

[cutecel1337]

Also i scheduled 14th april upper blepharoplasty + epicanthoplasty, but i can easily dismiss it if needed

Can u post results after? im going to get uppers too

 

[nishka]

anyone who gets obo is for looks is stupid af
even double jaw surgery recovery is brutal i can only imagine what obo feels like

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

Can u post results after? im going to get uppers too

Yeah why not

 

[fakechadtillyoumake]

anyone who gets obo is for looks is stupid af
even double jaw surgery recovery is brutal i can only imagine what obo feels like

So then what u recommend then for huge ascension for my front and side?

 

[nishka]

So then what u recommend then for huge ascension for my front and side?

just look into surgeries which most normie asian / korean people do
double eyelid
projection rhino with rib graft etc
also fix your skin, get lean and get some muscle