Would you call this exploitation or predatory behaviour by the corporation

[Jason Voorhees]

So this is what the job offer days. It is for a software developer position in Austin, Texas. They demand proficiency in Microsoft .net, javascript and Python and AI tools. They are ready to pay you $115k can go as much $145k if have some additional skills and experience. Also ready to sponsor h1b visa with the 100k fees, healthcare, 401k, health insurance, 10 days paid holidays etc

But there's a catch you'll have to stay in this company for atleast 2-3 years. It's not enforceable by law because of Texas's Employement by will laws but they still have you on leash because they sponsored you the visa and also have RSU power so if you leave them you will be paying them and will have to find another employer to sponsor you visa

Also keep in mind that after 2-3 year your value will go higher and the salary you can command in the market will inevitably be higher than what they will probably offer by then, even keeping in mind promotions and salary hikes, so this compensation might seem good upfront but later might become a baggage and hindering your growth. Expected to work 50 hours a week. You can't leave them easily but they can fire you anytime they want. Would you take the deal? Is this exploitation, predatory? What do you think.

 

[asdvek]

TLDR?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Gomez @lnceIs @LXR @Swarthy Knight @Glorious King @ltnbrownacnecel

 

[Jason Voorhees]

TLDR?

Company ready to pay 6 figures and give visa but you have to work 50 hours and stay at the company for 3 years minimum but they can fire you anytime they want.

 

[asdvek]

Company ready to pay 6 figures and give visa but you have to work 50 hours and stay at the company for 3 years minimum but they can fire you anytime they want.

Well let me ask you this, would Ramirez take the job?

 

[PSLbbc]

Well let me ask you this, would Ramirez take the job?

No

 

[CkldPsycho]

if they made those terms clear (and not hide them in small print) before you joined i dont see any problem with that

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Former Shortcel

 

[Gomez]

Definietly borderline
no one is forcing anyone to sign it if someone does it's their choice to do so
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[LXR]

Would this offer be accepted by natives ? If no then by standards of that region they are undercutting foreigners

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Would this offer be accepted by natives ? If no then by standards of that region they are undercutting foreigners

Ofc no. Why would an American take this offer and be stuck in it for 3 years. He has more opportunities and no Visa haunting him

 

[LXR]

Ofc no. Why would an American take this offer and be stuck in it for 3 years. He has more opportunities and no Visa haunting him

Yeah so its exploitative. Predatory, I wouldnt agree because its not forced down anyone's throat. Ultimately, they can because they are not stopped from doing so

 

[Jason Voorhees]

No

Thoughts on this

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Sprinkles @134applesauce456 @chudcopehardmaxer

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@vernier @Jatt @NotAMogger

 

[Deleted member 276814]

A lot of people stay at jobs for way longer than 2-3 years and this is over a 6 figure salary, and I'm not American but I suppose the benefits are quite good for America no?
If you can find a job with similar pay that doesn't put you on a lease I suppose that would be better. Idk how valuable you are to the market but from a raw perspective I think it looks like a good deal

 

[NotAMogger]

Isn’t this the standard for Big Tech companies when it comes to hiring junior devs?

 

[PSLbbc]

Thoughts on this

This is actually good c

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Foreverbrad @Acquiescence

 

[lnceIs]

I chose borderline, since they could technically fuck you over. If it's a reputable company that's highly unlikely, though.

I would take the offer

But keep in mind I have no clue what I'm talking about

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Isn’t this the standard for Big Tech companies when it comes to hiring junior devs?

Big tech doesn't do this. They couldn't care less about penny pinching this way. Its mid tier firms and startups that do this very often.

 

[Acquiescence]

Yes

All labor is inherently exploitative

(But especially this offer)

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Yes

All labor is inherently exploitative

(But especially this offer)

What exactly makes this extra bad?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Orgish @BeanCelll @AverageCurryEnjoyer

 

[Orgish]

View attachment 4727634

So this is what the job offer days. It is for a software developer position in Austin, Texas. They demand proficiency in Microsoft .net, javascript and Python and AI tools. They are ready to pay you $115k can go as much $145k if have some additional skills and experience. Also ready to sponsor h1b visa with the 100k fees, healthcare, 401k, health insurance, 10 days paid holidays etc

But there's a catch you'll have to stay in this company for atleast 2-3 years. It's not enforceable by law because of Texas's Employement by will laws but they still have you on leash because they sponsored you the visa and also have RSU power so if you leave them you will be paying them and will have to find another employer to sponsor you visa

Also keep in mind that after 2-3 year your value will go higher and the salary you can command in the market will inevitably be higher than what they will probably offer by then, even keeping in mind promotions and salary hikes, so this compensation might seem good upfront but later might become a baggage and hindering your growth. Expected to work 50 hours a week. You can't leave them easily but they can fire you anytime they want. Would you take the deal? Is this exploitation, predatory? What do you think.

ngl bro the conditions don’t matter to me I would accept it straight away this is my dream job

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

its a shiny collar. Could you find other work elsewhere with the same conditions or rewards. If your visa is paid for and you have other benefits it depeneds.

indenture yourself for 2-3 years and get fat stacks

 

[Jason Voorhees]

ngl bro the conditions don’t matter to me I would accept it straight away this is my dream job

50 hours a week okay for you?

 

[Orgish]

50 hours a week okay for you?

Yes, because I would never get tired of doing the work I love

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Bars would you take it?

 

[Bars]

@Bars would you take it?

Yes

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@BigBallsLarry @Nexom @wishIwasSalludon @sub5outsider

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Yes

Explain why and why vote if it's exploitation or not

 

[Deleted member 51358]

yes tbh

 

[Glorious King]

View attachment 4727634

So this is what the job offer days. It is for a software developer position in Austin, Texas. They demand proficiency in Microsoft .net, javascript and Python and AI tools. They are ready to pay you $115k can go as much $145k if have some additional skills and experience. Also ready to sponsor h1b visa with the 100k fees, healthcare, 401k, health insurance, 10 days paid holidays etc

But there's a catch you'll have to stay in this company for atleast 2-3 years. It's not enforceable by law because of Texas's Employement by will laws but they still have you on leash because they sponsored you the visa and also have RSU power so if you leave them you will be paying them and will have to find another employer to sponsor you visa

Also keep in mind that after 2-3 year your value will go higher and the salary you can command in the market will inevitably be higher than what they will probably offer by then, even keeping in mind promotions and salary hikes, so this compensation might seem good upfront but later might become a baggage and hindering your growth. Expected to work 50 hours a week. You can't leave them easily but they can fire you anytime they want. Would you take the deal? Is this exploitation, predatory? What do you think.

TBH ID RATHER TAKE AN REMOTE OFFER WORTH 80-90K THAN GOING ONSITE FOR 115K

THE FACT THAT WE GOTTA SIGN A CONTRACT FOR 3 YRS IS NUTS

AINT NO WAY NIGGAS BE WILLLING TO TAKE THAT

 

[Chadeep]

Is this GIGA AI

 

[Bars]

Explain why and why vote if it's exploitation or not

Bro I have no idea at first glance it seems good, so I'd accept it as an immigrant, but it all depends on the firm and its reputation. They sponsor visa and provide other benefits, so yes, but Idk, cuz of the 50-hour work week and how safe Austin is. can you negotiate the work schedule?

 

[Acquiescence]

What exactly makes this extra bad?

But there's a catch you'll have to stay in this company for atleast 2-3 years. It's not enforceable by law because of Texas's Employement by will laws but they still have you on leash because they sponsored you the visa and also have RSU power so if you leave them you will be paying them and will have to find another employer to sponsor you visa

Expected to work 50 hours a week. You can't leave them easily but they can fire you anytime they want

Golden handcuffs basically. Also +10 hrs / week of extra expected work

But many jobs are like that. I guess the visa leash is the biggest issue to me

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@User28823

 

[User28823]

looking for a slave

 

[Jason Voorhees]

looking for a slave

The golden cage theory.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

I’d call it illegal, this is not what H1Bs are for and there’s a whole process of effective noncompliance corporations are doing to get
obvi the legal requirements around H1Bs because one ones enforcing it.

 

[ChudLarper_67]

a lot of high paying jobs are like this, high risk high reward.

rep me & sign my profile jason

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I’d call it illegal, this is not what H1Bs are for and there’s a whole process of effective noncompliance corporations are doing to get
obvi the legal requirements around H1Bs because one ones enforcing it.

Technically yes. Federal DOL explicitly prohibits employers from imposing penalties and early termination charges on H-1B who leave before the visa period ends, even if the employee "agrees" to it but it's rarely enforced. It's like one of those things that only exists on paper.

Also many people taking this are usually people desperate for US tickets and it's not actually top tier MAANG companies like people think, those companies never impose these kind of restrictions it's startups and mid tier firms that are cash strapped that do this. It's less about underpaying but more about using visa dependency to create a "golden cage" thing that traps workers longer than they'd stay otherwise.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Technically yes. Federal DOL explicitly prohibits employers from imposing penalties and early termination charges on H-1B who leave before the visa period ends, even if the employee "agrees" to it but it's rarely enforced. It's like one of those things that only exists on paper.

Also many people taking this are usually people desperate for US tickets and it's not actually top tier MAANG companies like people think, those companies never impose these kind of restrictions it's startups and mid tier firms that are cash strapped that do this. It's less about underpaying but more about using visa dependency to create a "golden cage" thing that traps workers longer than they'd stay otherwise.

It’s more then just that, H1B are supposed to be for highly specialized and irreplaceable skills. They are required to advertise it and then certify they cannot find an American to fill the position.

There’s no legitimate reason you cannot find an American to do a job that pays sub-300k. Such people do not have irreplaceable skills.

 

[klip11]

Company ready to pay 6 figures and give visa but you have to work 50 hours and stay at the company for 3 years minimum but they can fire you anytime they want.

At least you're farther away from Haitian cannibals that want to eat you and use your meat to put in their stew

 

[klip11]

Explain why and why vote if it's exploitation or not

You better hope they don't offer to pay Haitian cannibals in jason Voorhees meat

 

[Jason Voorhees]

It’s more then just that, H1B are supposed to be for highly specialized and irreplaceable skills. They are required to advertise it and then certify they cannot find an American to fill the position.

There’s no legitimate reason you cannot find an American to do a job that pays sub-300k. Such people do not have irreplaceable skills.

That depends on the job. Like for those skills mentioned in OP the pay is pretty standard plus they are also ready to cover the $100k fees. Prevailing wage doesn't allow for under cutting too much but people sometimes claim mid career positions as junior and under cut it.

There's also legitimate use cases too. A lot of the people in semiconductor design are from Taiwan, China and simply cannot be found in the US due to U.S. pipeline gaps. It's also very hard to fill roles in Devops, Cybersecurity and certain niche and critical IT fields, its simply easier and faster for employers to find a foreign worker

 

[Mess]

I don't see how this is explotation. By predatory, I'll assume you're talking about some ulterior motives.
All I see is good pay, and guaranteed work for the next 2-3 years. Texas is also a (presumably) nice place to settle down in.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I don't see how this is explotation. By predatory, I'll assume you're talking about some ulterior motives.
All I see is good pay, and guaranteed work for the next 2-3 years. Texas is also a (presumably) nice place to settle down in.

Austin mogs bay area so hard tbh too bad bay area salaries are like 2x what you'd get in Austin. But atleast you don't have to deal with trannies and hobos everyday

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

There's also legitimate use cases too. A lot of the people in semiconductor design are from Taiwan, China and simply cannot be found in the US due to U.S. pipeline gaps. It's also very hard to full roles in Devops, Cybersecurity and certain niche fields, its simply easier and faster for employers to find a foreign worker

There’s a legitimate case in terms of semiconductors skills from Taiwan because of the way the supply chain has developed. I’m not sure what those people are paid off hand but actually doing high end simidesign doesn’t sound like a 150k job to me.

This type of thing can’t really be said of general devs who have dev skills in widely used languages. Being easier or faster to find a foreign worker, is outside the legal permissibility of H1B visa. I mean ofc it’s easier to find someone from the 3rd world to do the same job as an American… there be no jobs for Americans if that’s the standard.