You can't really argue against the morals of a religion

[ØUROBOROS]

Because if the God of said religion is real then whatever he says is good is good whatever he says is bad is bad your opinion doesn't matter. What are your thoughts on this tho?

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[ØUROBOROS]

@ICXCLuvr @horseman. @Mooglesan @unknownuser @Tesarossa

 

[duzxk1]

Only goes for people who believe in Religions/Gods

 

[horseman.]

I agree

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Because of the God of said religion is real then whatever he says is good is good whatever he says is bad is bad your opinion doesn't matter. What are your thoughts on this tho?

Yeah so if he says or does something heinous you have to accept it and follow him

Like in the Bible it supports slavery, child molestation and genocide. All morally correct if you’re Christian

 

[ØUROBOROS]

Only goes for people who believe in Religions/Gods

You are arguing with people that believe in gods bro

Yeah so if he says or does something heinous you have to accept it and follow him

Like in the Bible it supports slavery

If he was real then yes you have to unless you want to end up in Eternal hell

 

[ICXCLuvr]

You are arguing with people that believe in gods bro

If he was real then yes you have to unless you want to end up in Eternal hell

That’s why all abrahamic religions are rubbish instantly

 

[ØUROBOROS]

That’s why all abrahamic religions are rubbish instantly

Shia islam is the truth. Also to expand on my point to disprove a religion you have to go against its core beliefs not morality because God is the one that decides what is good and what is bad.

 

[the zodiac]

Thats why religions like islam is retarded it uses a static moral framework that refuses to change and hold into 7th century ethics

 

[duzxk1]

You are arguing with people that believe in gods bro

That's why arguing/debating with them is pointless, no matter how good of a point you make.

It won't change their opinion they'll still spout the rubbish they've been saying for the past 10 mins just because their god said it's right/correct.

Woke nonsense.

 

[Mooglesan]

Because if the God of said religion is real then whatever he says is good is good whatever he says is bad is bad your opinion doesn't matter. What are your thoughts on this tho?

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In general yes but you can't know for sure whether a particular interpretation of his words is accurate and whether he said it at all

 

[ØUROBOROS]

That's why arguing/debating with them is pointless, no matter how good of a point you make.

It won't change their opinion they'll still spout the rubbish they've been saying for the past 10 mins just because their god said it's right/correct.

Woke nonsense.

Well you can disprove it (that is if it was wrong) by going against its core beliefs going against the morality of a religion is obviously useless because god is the one that decides right and wrong.

 

[the zodiac]

Shia islam is the truth.

You guys literally hit yourselves over someone who died 1400 years ago

 

[Mooglesan]

Yeah so if he says or does something heinous you have to accept it and follow him

Like in the Bible it supports slavery, child molestation and genocide. All morally correct if you’re Christian

Nobody in Bible supports that

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Nobody in Bible supports that

Pick one I’ll show proof

 

[ØUROBOROS]

You guys literally hit yourselves over someone who died 1400 years ago 

Not every مرجع says that it is right to do and a lot of other explanations that I don't want to get into

 

[Mooglesan]

Pick one I’ll show proof

show the proof of each one of them

 

[duzxk1]

Well you can disprove it (that is if it was wrong) by going against its core beliefs going against the morality of a religion is obviously useless because god is the one that decides right and wrong.

Yeah, you obviously can.

But it wont change the guy you're debating's mind. You can literally counter all of his answers and it won't change his mind one little bit, no matter how right you are.

These kids are passionate.

 

[ØUROBOROS]

Yeah, you obviously can.

But it wont change the guy you're debating's mind. You can literally counter all of his answers and it won't change his mind one little bit, no matter how right you are.

These kids are passionate.

Well online of course arguing online is utterly useless irl if you explain well enough you can change some ones mind.

 

[duzxk1]

Well online of course arguing online is utterly useless irl if you explain well enough you can change some ones mind.

Yeah IRL you can definitely change some people's mind.

Online however it's as if the guy you're debating is typing blind without reading you're reply jfl

 

[ICXCLuvr]

show the proof each one of them

Child molestation

Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Slavery

Leviticus 25:44-46 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly



Exodus 21:2-7 If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free



Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.



1 Timothy 6:1-2 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare[a] of their slaves



Exodus 21:7 20-21 If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money



Luke 12:47-48 The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked

Genocide

Deuteronomy 20:16-17 16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a]them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

 

[ØUROBOROS]

Yeah IRL you can definitely change some people's mind.

Online however it's as if the guy you're debating is typing blind without reading you're reply jfl

Agreed bro.

Also on that note I want to tell you to go vote for me

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[ICXCLuvr]

Shia islam is the truth. Also to expand on my point to disprove a religion you have to go against its core beliefs not morality because God is the one that decides what is good and what is bad.

What? So if god said rape was a good an atheist couldn’t use that to criticize the religion?

 

[ØUROBOROS]

What? So if god said rape was a good an atheist couldn’t use that to criticize the religion?

Well logically yes God said it was good then it is good you have to disprove the existence of said God to disprove his morals not the other way around.

 

[duzxk1]

Agreed bro.

Also on that note I want to tell you to go vote for me

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You want me to vote you as the worst user of the year.?

Sure..

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Well logically yes God said it was good then it is good you have to disprove the existence of said God to disprove his morals not the other way around.

Well you have to prove why a personal god (the Muslim one) exists anyways. And explain why he has morals that contradict each other

 

[ØUROBOROS]

Well you have to prove why a personal god (the Muslim one) exists anyways. And explain why he has morals that contradict each other

Sheet in not going to argue online bro I said it was a waste of time also I'm really not that knowledgeable when it comes to my religion so I'll pass

 

[Sujumh]

That's why arguing/debating with them is pointless, no matter how good of a point you make.

It won't change their opinion they'll still spout the rubbish they've been saying for the past 10 mins just because their god said it's right/correct.

Woke nonsense.

actually my situation right now
they start putting words into ur put
fucking subhuman low iq retards tbh

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Sheet in not going to argue online bro I said it was a waste of time also I'm really not that knowledgeable when it comes to my religion so I'll pass

Studs when they kids do good in school

 

[duzxk1]

actually my situation right now
they start putting words into ur put
fucking subhuman low iq retards tbh

Don't argue with them, let them be.

They just say what they want to say

 

[Mooglesan]

Child molestation

Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Slavery

Leviticus 25:44-46 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly



Exodus 21:2-7 If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free



Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.



1 Timothy 6:1-2 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare[a] of their slaves



Exodus 21:7 20-21 If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money



Luke 12:47-48 The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked

Genocide

Deuteronomy 20:16-17 16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a]them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Almost all of those examples come from the Old Testament JFL which was written within the context of Israel before christianity existed

Only three of them are from New Testament

Ephesians 6:9
"And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him."

Philemon 1:15–16

"For perhaps he departed for a while for this purpose, that you might receive him forever, no longer as a slave but more than a slave—a beloved brother, especially to me but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord."

All interpretations regarding slavery were framed in that way because at the time slavery was an integral part of the Roman Empire. Paul was addressing people who were already living under the Roman slave system

Galatians 3:28

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile; there is neither slave nor free... you are all one in Christ."



Luke 12:47–48 is a parable, not a teaching about slavery.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

why would a supreme all knowing perfect unique god who exists beyond everything and created all the galaxies, stars, planets, etc, be limited by a 7th century moral and social framework? why did god specifically choose an era of such ignorance and deprivation to spread his final message?

 

[Mooglesan]

why would a supreme all knowing perfect unique god who exists beyond everything and created all the galaxies, stars, planets, etc, be limited by a 7th century moral and social framework? why did god specifically choose an era of such ignorance and deprivation to spread his final message?

Because those were the worst centuries that ever existed right after flood
It would make sense to show up right there

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Almost all of those examples come from the Old Testament JFL which was written within the context of Israel before christianity existed

God doesn’t change, or grow in moral character, otherwise he wouldn’t be perfect. He’s described to not change in the Bible.

So if it’s in the Old Testament it’s a morally good thing to do. According to god

For perhaps he departed for a while for this purpose, that you might receive him forever, no longer as a slave but more than a slave—a beloved brother, especially to me but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord."

this is not a verse that is explicitly against slavery.

All interpretations regarding slavery were framed in that way because at the time slavery was an integral part of the Roman Empire.

giving instructions on how to buy slavery and telling slaves to obey their masters is direct support

Luke 12:47–48 is a parable, not a teaching about slavery.

The other verses were not parables. Also which one is it? are they metaphors or “regulation”?

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

Because those were the worst centuries that ever existed right after flood
It would make sense to show up right there

sure but logistically it would seem incredibly short sighted and ridiculous to choose this time period of any to send your final revelation

in the 7th century:

97% of people lived in extreme poverty​

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child and maternal mortality was extremely high​

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famine and disease was a common occurrence​

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humanity was not globally connected and most people were isolated in small communities and tribes with little to no knowledge of the outside world​

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most people were not literate and had never attended any educational institution​

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the printing press was not invented​

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the scientific method as we know it today did not exist​

​

human knowledge was primitive and shallow​

​

cameras and other visual recording equipment did not exist to verify anything​

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think about it. why would a merciful and loving god choose this time period to spread his message? would it not be more effective to spread it nowadays? why not in an age where humanity was more connected and global communication was the norm? why during a time of isolation, superstition and scientific illiteracy?​

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[ØUROBOROS]

why would a supreme all knowing perfect unique god who exists beyond everything and created all the galaxies, stars, planets, etc, be limited by a 7th century moral and social framework? why did god specifically choose an era of such ignorance and deprivation to spread his final message?

Well he knows all he must have pretty good reason but idk what the reason is because unfortunately for you I'm not all knowing

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

Well he knows all he must have pretty good reason but idk what the reason is because unfortunately for you I'm not all knowing

i admire your honesty. respect

 

[Mooglesan]

God doesn’t change, or grow in moral character, otherwise he wouldn’t be perfect. He’s described to not change in the Bible.

So if it’s in the Old Testament it’s a morally good thing to do. According to god

this is not a verse that is explicitly against slavery.

giving instructions on how to buy slavery and telling slaves to obey their masters is direct support

The other verses were not merely parables. Which one is it, are they metaphors or “regulation”

Yeah make them the slaves revolt agains Romans so the population gets enslaved/raped/killed once more again
take an Jude's wars/revolts in the 1st century as an example

Yeah (Parable of the Faithful and Unfaithful Servant) spiritual principles about responsibility and judgment. He isn't giving laws about how masters should treat slaves. It's clearly a parable.

God being unchanging does not mean that every law given to a specific people at a specific time is a universal moral command

For example: the Bible regulates divorce in the old testament but Jesus later says divorce was allowed because of human hardness of heart not because it was the original ideal (Matthew 19:8).

"Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."

 

[Mooglesan]

sure but logistically it would seem incredibly short sighted and ridiculous to choose this time period of any to send your final revelation

in the 7th century:

97% of people lived in extreme poverty​

​

child and maternal mortality was extremely high​

​

famine and disease was a common occurrence​

​

humanity was not globally connected and most people were isolated in small communities and tribes with little to no knowledge of the outside world​

​

most people were not literate and had never attended any educational institution​

​

the printing press was not invented​

​

the scientific method as we know it today did not exist​

​

human knowledge was primitive and shallow​

​

cameras and other visual recording equipment did not exist to verify anything​

​

think about it. why would a merciful and loving god choose this time period to spread his message? would it not be more effective to spread it nowadays? why not in an age where humanity was more connected and global communication was the norm? why during a time of isolation, superstition and scientific illiteracy?​

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I cannot know for sure
I know only that things in the world do not unfold as leniently toward people as they should

Because absolute evil rules the world whether it is a human being or not I cannot know for sure either

there is a prophecy about the Second Coming so it stands to reason that people don't get the message the first time around
The closer we get to the climax the worse the times will become. Some might lose electricity or water while another race might already be facing genocide which is indeed happening. In any case according to Christian principles none of this was supposed to happen. We’re in deep shit just because of our flawless behavior towards God, nature, ourselves