You do NOT care about ascension. You just want to COMPLAIN (Alexander Technique Redux)

[///FORTY6IX]

Wouldn't having your chest like this induce horrible fhp
View attachment 4868243

Left side is perfect, forward head posture would never have the ribcage or neck oriented like that. The neck would be at that angle but it would not be straight, and the ribcage would be falling like the image on the right. The first image is similar to depoots posture, except the figure is a little better as you can see that depoots sternum is angled a bit.

Ideally his ribcage would be further back in space and this would probably lead to him being less downgrown, but he already mogs so who cares?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Wouldn't having your chest like this induce horrible fhp
View attachment 4868243

 

[Movi]

Left side is perfect, forward head posture would never have the ribcage or neck oriented like that. The neck would be at that angle but it would not be straight, and the ribcage would be falling like the image on the right. The first image is similar to depoots posture, except the figure is a little better as you can see that depoots sternum is angled a bit.
View attachment 4868397
Ideally his ribcage would be further back in space and this would probably lead to him being less downgrown, but he already mogs so who cares?

Aight so, do you force yourself into that posture until you've gotten accustomed to it or are there a set of things you can do so that your posture naturally transforms into it


update: I can barely feel a slight stretch in my upper back, so thats progress
holy shit bro this feels so good icl

 

[Luh?nn?]

Aight so, do you force yourself into that posture until you've gotten accustomed to it or are there a set of things you can do so that your posture naturally transforms into it


update: I can barely feel a slight stretch in my upper back, so thats progress
holy shit bro this feels so good icl

How I see it, the most important thing is changing your breathing and slowly tweaking things here and there. Trying to fix your entire posture at once is low-key pointless and won’t make it stick.

Start by breathing differently up and back. This should do most of the heavy lifting since most people aren’t even doing that. Then let your knees bend slightly boom. Rotate your shoulders forward.

I haven’t even worked on my SCM muscles yet, but after a couple of days maybe a week of focusing on breathing and slightly adjusting my posture, I can tense/activate my SCM muscles much more easily now.

This is without even trying to build a mind-to-muscle connection. I also stretch daily to loosen my body it’s just a habit now

 

[Movi]

How I see it, the most important thing is changing your breathing and slowly tweaking things here and there. Trying to fix your entire posture at once is low-key pointless and won’t make it stick.

Start by breathing differently up and back. This should do most of the heavy lifting since most people aren’t even doing that. Then let your knees bend slightly boom. Rotate your shoulders forward.

I haven’t even worked on my SCM muscles yet, but after a couple of days maybe a week of focusing on breathing and slightly adjusting my posture, I can tense/activate my SCM muscles much more easily now.

This is without even trying to build a mind-to-muscle connection. I also stretch daily to loosen my body it’s just a habit now

Bet, I'll keep you updated

 

[Movi]

2nd is natural, 1st is what I get when I try to sort of elongate my back

How I see it, the most important thing is changing your breathing and slowly tweaking things here and there. Trying to fix your entire posture at once is low-key pointless and won’t make it stick.

Start by breathing differently up and back. This should do most of the heavy lifting since most people aren’t even doing that. Then let your knees bend slightly boom. Rotate your shoulders forward.

I haven’t even worked on my SCM muscles yet, but after a couple of days maybe a week of focusing on breathing and slightly adjusting my posture, I can tense/activate my SCM muscles much more easily now.

This is without even trying to build a mind-to-muscle connection. I also stretch daily to loosen my body it’s just a habit now

Valid or nah

 

[Luh?nn?]

View attachment 4868833View attachment 4868834
2nd is natural, 1st is what I get when I try to sort of elongate my back

Valid or nah

2nd is valid

 

[JkCel]

Any proof a flat plane mouthguard works on molar tipping and the other stuff ?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Any proof a flat plane mouthguard works on molar tipping and the other stuff ?

It’s been tipping mine up, in my regular posture my molars still don’t touch perfect but they are for sure more upright and they touch in some areas.

I know if you wear it for long enough it’s basically garunteed if you look at any results online.

 

[anthony267]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

Mirin high iq post vro

 

[JkCel]

It’s been tipping mine up, in my regular posture my molars still don’t touch perfect but they are for sure more upright and they touch in some areas.

I know if you wear it for long enough it’s basically garunteed if you look at any results online.

Could I see some of these results please ? Think about buying one

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Could I see some of these results please ? Think about buying one

There is some not of my teeth in this thread, at some point I’ll make a detailed results thread of my entire ascension but I’m going to need a few months.

Buy it and see for yourself it’s only like 10 bucks online.

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Also btw, to anyone reading this thread:

The mouthguard is a tool and won’t do all that much on its own. Keep that in mind. All it’s gonna do is balance the mandible and maxilla’s development and reduce molar tipping.

 

[JkCel]

There is some not of my teeth in this thread, at some point I’ll make a detailed results thread of my entire ascension but I’m going to need a few months.

Buy it and see for yourself it’s only like 10 bucks online.

night will do

 

[idahomey]

You got sources? Just want to learn more

 

[///FORTY6IX]

You got sources? Just want to learn more

Watch @asdfposture on TikTok, along with “Delsarte, Alexander, Masoero, You” on YouTube.

But the thing is both of these guys are pretty “enlightened” so to speak and they tend to describe all this very esoteric. I prefer ASDF because I can physically see the changes and how it reflects on the face.

It’ll take a couple weeks of ruminating most likely before you can understand the system, but once you get everything you’ll see very quick progress.

 

[ivan.kuk]

This is what .org should have been. Good to see high iq people are still here.

 

[ivan.kuk]

I think this is the basis of what Mewing.world also preaches, although they have mixed opinions from people.

 

[ivan.kuk]

So this is me after trying to maintain the right Alexander posture (left), vs the "right" one that is usually recommended (right). I am very recessed, yet I don't notice that mutch pelvic titl that would explain my recession. Thsi was also me as a child before my recession started, but you see I was a mouthbreather, which was most likely the cause of my recession.

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

is there any point of me having the mouthguard in if i have an underbite? or should i start to wear it a few months after my surgery?

 

[just a chud]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

Dnr bookmarked looks good

 

[///FORTY6IX]

is there any point of me having the mouthguard in if i have an underbite? or should i start to wear it a few months after my surgery?

If you are getting surgery I would wear it after not before

 

[///FORTY6IX]

So this is me after trying to maintain the right Alexander posture (left), vs the "right" one that is usually recommended (right). I am very recessed, yet I don't notice that mutch pelvic titl that would explain my recession. Thsi was also me as a child before my recession started, but you see I was a mouthbreather, which was most likely the cause of my recession.
View attachment 4897208

Your posture in the left photo is closer to ideal, but you need to breathe even MORE into your back. I advise keeping the knees more bent as a step.

What I noticed recently is that if In bad posture I expand my ribcage, I end up with rib flare. However if I’m in the Alexander posture with my ribcage flat against a wall at the bottom along with my lower back, my ribs don’t protrude at all from the front.



Try spamming this wall excerise, and monitor head and ribcage positioning throughout the day if possible.

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

If you are getting surgery I would wear it after not before

Okay ty, would it still work at age 19 or has the mouthguard got nothing to do with puberty?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Okay ty, would it still work at age 19 or has the mouthguard got nothing to do with puberty?

Would still work, I’m 21 so ur chilling.

 

[twinkslayer271]

It’s been tipping mine up, in my regular posture my molars still don’t touch perfect but they are for sure more upright and they touch in some areas.

I know if you wear it for long enough it’s basically garunteed if you look at any results online.

Where did u get ur mouthguard?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Where did u get ur mouthguard?

Amazon, you could probably find even cheaper on aliexpress or something but as long as it looks like the image.

https://a.co/d/09HvjrLg

Link to the one I bought.

 

[therandomorg83]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

is it ok if you feel some sort of tingling along your back when you maintain this posture

 

[///FORTY6IX]

is it ok if you feel some sort of tingling along your back when you maintain this posture

Good, ideal. Especially when ur purposefully breathing hard into the back or stretching it

 

[Dolorous]

this is a high effort post, and thanks for not being a dick to people asking honest questions. what video on Delsarte Alexander's youtube channel should I watch to further understand proper posture?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

this is a high effort post, and thanks for not being a dick to people asking honest questions. what video on Delsarte Alexander's youtube channel should I watch to further understand proper posture?

Watch basic excersize routine video and also if u want a visual of which movements influence the soft tissue and jaw area watch @asdposture on tiktok.

Another thing to not is that while delsarte is a great resource I don't believe that he himself has fully executed the information he has obtained to its aesthetic and functional potential. His ribcage is a bit wide from the front and a bit flat as well (he got the diaphram depth part good tho which makes sense as he seems more actor oriented). So hes great to learn from but don't necessarily utilize him as an example for yourself so to speak.

Ideally you find how your face soft tissue differs from someone of your phenotype that is more attractive, and then see how your posture and breathing differs as well.

 

[nathan V]

Posturepill is underrated, man

 

[Dolorous]

Watch basic excersize routine video and also if u want a visual of which movements influence the soft tissue and jaw area watch @asdposture on tiktok.

Another thing to not is that while delsarte is a great resource I don't believe that he himself has fully executed the information he has obtained to its aesthetic and functional potential. His ribcage is a bit wide from the front and a bit flat as well (he got the diaphram depth part good tho which makes sense as he seems more actor oriented). So hes great to learn from but don't necessarily utilize him as an example for yourself so to speak.

Ideally you find how your face soft tissue differs from someone of your phenotype that is more attractive, and then see how your posture and breathing differs as well.

thanks, it's just the breathing up and backwards part with the ribcage is hard to grasp. and yeah i've had a bookmark on one of asdfposture's videos for a long time now but once again it is kind of hard to understand. but i think he said that its most important to just continuously make adjustments and watch clips of Barrett walking.

 

[Dolorous]

Posturepill is underrated, man

"Destroyer of blue pill and red pill copes" reminds me so much of Yad and Rehab's videos on him

 

[///FORTY6IX]

thanks, it's just the breathing up and backwards part with the ribcage is hard to grasp. and yeah i've had a bookmark on one of asdfposture's videos for a long time now but once again it is kind of hard to understand. but i think he said that its most important to just continuously make adjustments and watch clips of Barrett walking.

Correct, and yes it’s extremely hard to grasp it takes months of research to understand. However in hindsight its benefits are obvious and it makes me feel stupid looking back considering how long it took for me to figure it out (I still think I have more to learn on this shit tbh)

The breathing should be both relieving on your organs, brain, body etc but also uncomfortable to your conscious mind. It’s hard to explain. My chest really WANTs to rise with every breath, but I’m forcing my back instead. Breaking out of habit is extremely hard.

 

[JkCel]

Correct, and yes it’s extremely hard to grasp it takes months of research to understand. However in hindsight its benefits are obvious and it makes me feel stupid looking back considering how long it took for me to figure it out (I still think I have more to learn on this shit tbh)

The breathing should be both relieving on your organs, brain, body etc but also uncomfortable to your conscious mind. It’s hard to explain. My chest really WANTs to rise with every breath, but I’m forcing my back instead. Breaking out of habit is extremely hard.

You should make a more in-depht guide on this

 

[///FORTY6IX]

You should make a more in-depht guide on this

I’m considering doing so soon, but I want to be more sure I won’t regret anything I say in the post fact wise.

As Albert Einstein said: “if you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.”

 

[JkCel]

I’m considering doing so soon, but I want to be more sure I won’t regret anything I say in the post fact wise.

As Albert Einstein said: “if you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.”

Tag me when you do it

 

[akldojsojaas]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

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• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

will read tmr i skimmed through it and cant even be bothered reading allat seems confusing , il read it when i not tired

 

[Dolorous]

Correct, and yes it’s extremely hard to grasp it takes months of research to understand. However in hindsight its benefits are obvious and it makes me feel stupid looking back considering how long it took for me to figure it out (I still think I have more to learn on this shit tbh)

The breathing should be both relieving on your organs, brain, body etc but also uncomfortable to your conscious mind. It’s hard to explain. My chest really WANTs to rise with every breath, but I’m forcing my back instead. Breaking out of habit is extremely hard.

Ok this is good to know. I also have to force the movement of my back and keep my chest and stomach still so I think I’m doing at least something right.

 

[Bedfrost21]

Good thread bother

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Good thread bother

Thank you bro, and tbh I wanna make a more in depth thread on fascia and breathing, what influences what on your face, and how to practically execute all this. I may need some more weeks to compile my thoughts.

This thread is still useful in my opinion, but my understanding on all of this tends to slowly change over time as I figure out the system.

Edit: this post was originally from advice that I was giving on another post, and I deemed it worth turning into a standalone post. In my opinion this topic has more nuance than what I presented here, and it would be beneficial to fully reveal this topic on here to help out those who aren’t completely brainless on org. I certainly have learned more than when I posted this originally.

 

[mistermogsalot]

Thank you bro, and tbh I wanna make a more in depth thread on fascia and breathing, what influences what on your face, and how to practically execute all this. I may need some more weeks to compile my thoughts.

This thread is still useful in my opinion, but my understanding on all of this tends to slowly change over time as I figure out the system.

Edit: this post was originally from advice that I was giving on another post, and I deemed it worth turning into a standalone post. In my opinion this topic has more nuance than what I presented here, and it would be beneficial to fully reveal this topic on here to help out those who aren’t completely brainless on org. I certainly have learned more than when I posted this originally.

very high iq thread , ive been trying to practice alexander posture and i think a key factor is definitely ribcage expansion when my scm is taut and my neck elongated i get a much deeper breath where the back of my ribcage feels expansion as long as the side im not using the front so much anymore feels very good, ive also been using the mouthguard for help my occlusion , im 17 in a few months so i hope i get good results although consistency is very difficult

 

[///FORTY6IX]

very high iq thread , ive been trying to practice alexander posture and i think a key factor is definitely ribcage expansion when my scm is taut and my neck elongated i get a much deeper breath where the back of my ribcage feels expansion as long as the side im not using the front so much anymore feels very good, ive also been using the mouthguard for help my occlusion , im 17 in a few months so i hope i get good results although consistency is very difficult

It’s very hard, the most garunteed way to know you are expanding is that you stretch to the point that it hurts a bit to return to your normal.

It can be done with both actual stretches externally, and breathing internally expanding from the inside out.

 

[ApexColonizer]

Hey I saw you mentioned something about bending the knees, but doesn’t the YouTube channel about the Alexander technique mention not to bend the knees? I understand slightly bending makes it easier to posteriorly tilt the pelvis but wouldn’t it make more sense to not bend them if what you’re looking for is elongation in the entire body?

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

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compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

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Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

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The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

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Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

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after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

I

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Hey I saw you mentioned something about bending the knees, but doesn’t the YouTube channel about the Alexander technique mention not to bend the knees? I understand slightly bending makes it easier to posteriorly tilt the pelvis but wouldn’t it make more sense to not bend them if what you’re looking for is elongation in the entire body?

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It’s only to get the rest of the body in place when ur practicing, I don’t think you should bend the knees during the day. Only in front of a mirror to trial and error this posture.