You don't have a short ramus; you have downward growth.

[Deleted member 1660]

The illusion of a short ramus comes from a large gonial angle:

This occurs because the maxilla is recessed which also forces the mandible to recess as well. SInce the mandible is "stuck" it has to grow downward in order to fit in the skull. Remember: the bones in your skull have to cooperate in a way where they function properly together. As a result improper growth of certain parts will affect other parts. If you are using retractive rubber bands and have downward growth, you will recess your face more and the downward growth will get worse.


As the maxilla moves forward, the mandible can also start to move forward as well which could also align your bite as well.

Your skull already has all the bones it needs to properly form your face. However, the misalignment is the reason why it looks like you lack the bones.

 

[Ascendant]

in general correct, however it also has to do with genes, prenatal T and so on. Someone with a low T face and appearance in general, will rarely have long ramus, even with perfect craniofacial development.

 

[Deleted member 1660]

in general correct, however it also has to do with genes, prenatal T and so on. Someone with a low T face and appearance in general, will rarely have long ramus, even with perfect craniofacial development.

It is all about alignment.

 

[Deleted member 1660]

bump

 

[Deleted member 17763]

Bimaxfuel

 

[Deleted member 1660]

in general correct, however it also has to do with genes, prenatal T and so on. Someone with a low T face and appearance in general, will rarely have long ramus, even with perfect craniofacial development.

Wrong. Chewing hard foods at a young age causes ramus development.

 

[qwertynineofive]

Wrong. Chewing hard foods at a young age causes ramus development.

chewing hard foods at any age causes ramus development

 

[AscendingHero]

The illusion of a short ramus comes from a large gonial angle:
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This occurs because the maxilla is recessed which also forces the mandible to recess as well. SInce the mandible is "stuck" it has to grow downward in order to fit in the skull. Remember: the bones in your skull have to cooperate in a way where they function properly together. As a result improper growth of certain parts will affect other parts. If you are using retractive rubber bands and have downward growth, you will recess your face more and the downward growth will get worse.


As the maxilla moves forward, the mandible can also start to move forward as well which could also align your bite as well.
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Your skull already has all the bones it needs to properly form your face. However, the misalignment is the reason why it looks like you lack the bones.

You are correct, this is water info but good post nonetheless

How even if you have insane maxillary growth in the saggital plane, the body of the ramus can still be short

Perfect example of this is Jordan Barrett. All of his upper thirds, his entire face is forward grown but his lower third, especially ramii is short.

What a fucking mogger nonetheless tho

 

[Momolooksmax]

i have a long ramus and downward growth

 

[2d v2]

Total shit thread, baseless. Short ramus does not mean downward growth, it means less bone. If you took that angle and rotated it upwards his head would be so small that it would be comical.

I know this because I had a slanted forward jaw, not downward, just zero ramus, and igf-1 + bone smashing filled the angle out like some type of obscure early 20s massive growth spurt. The mandible is supposed to be dense in bone at the ramus.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

how to fix this

 

[thereallegend]

how to fix this

Surgical: Bimax

Non-surgical: Mewing and face pulling

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Surgical: Bimax

Non-surgical: Mewing and face pulling

I will do ccw bimax

 

[Deleted member 18372]

Surgical: Bimax

Non-surgical: Mewing and face pulling

it's genetic mewing won't do anything

 

[thereallegend]

it's genetic mewing won't do anything

Mewing will expand your palate and broaden your maxilla.

 

[Pendejo]

Total shit thread, baseless. Short ramus does not mean downward growth, it means less bone. If you took that angle and rotated it upwards his head would be so small that it would be comical.

I know this because I had a slanted forward jaw, not downward, just zero ramus, and igf-1 + bone smashing filled the angle out like some type of obscure early 20s massive growth spurt. The mandible is supposed to be dense in bone at the ramus.

Indeed, these greycels JFL.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

You are correct, this is water info but good post nonetheless

How even if you have insane maxillary growth in the saggital plane, the body of the ramus can still be short

Perfect example of this is Jordan Barrett. All of his upper thirds, his entire face is forward grown but his lower third, especially ramii is short.
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What a fucking mogger nonetheless tho
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bro disproved his theory by trying to prove his theory jfl. unless you actually think barrett’s lower third is actually recessed

 

[AscendingHero]

bro disproved his theory by trying to prove his theory jfl. unless you actually think barrett’s lower third is actually recessed

Are u retarded? i never said he was recessed i just said his ramus is short

u cant read for shit, this is a warning warranting post tbh

 

[joseph]

The illusion of a short ramus comes from a large gonial angle:
View attachment 1613183View attachment 1613186
This occurs because the maxilla is recessed which also forces the mandible to recess as well. SInce the mandible is "stuck" it has to grow downward in order to fit in the skull. Remember: the bones in your skull have to cooperate in a way where they function properly together. As a result improper growth of certain parts will affect other parts. If you are using retractive rubber bands and have downward growth, you will recess your face more and the downward growth will get worse.


As the maxilla moves forward, the mandible can also start to move forward as well which could also align your bite as well.
View attachment 1613204View attachment 1613206



Your skull already has all the bones it needs to properly form your face. However, the misalignment is the reason why it looks like you lack the bones.

I have the complete opposite due to bruxism and madseter hypertrophy. It looks bad tho

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Surgical: Bimax

Non-surgical: Mewing and face pulling

Does face pulling give you ccw rotation

 

[5.5psl]

Total shit thread, baseless. Short ramus does not mean downward growth, it means less bone. If you took that angle and rotated it upwards his head would be so small that it would be comical.

I know this because I had a slanted forward jaw, not downward, just zero ramus, and igf-1 + bone smashing filled the angle out like some type of obscure early 20s massive growth spurt. The mandible is supposed to be dense in bone at the ramus.

Wtf you bonesmashed your ramus ??
You could have got the same results if not better by just chewing hard foods which devlop the masseters and overtime remodels the ramus

 

[thereallegend]

Does face pulling give you ccw rotation

No. Only incisor chewing or bimax can give that

 

[Orc]

You are correct, this is water info but good post nonetheless

How even if you have insane maxillary growth in the saggital plane, the body of the ramus can still be short

Perfect example of this is Jordan Barrett. All of his upper thirds, his entire face is forward grown but his lower third, especially ramii is short.
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What a fucking mogger nonetheless tho
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mogged.

 

[2d v2]

Wtf you bonesmashed your ramus ??
You could have got the same results if not better by just chewing hard foods which devlop the masseters and overtime remodels the ramus

jaw muscles dont just keep growing and growing, I injected steroids and igf into the muscles and it still barely even made them bigger after like 50 injections of various shit into my masseters.

Bonesmashing actually gets results for me, but i remember one dude saying it fucke dup his jaw and made it swell up and he had to get it drained or something.

Yeah at first it hurt so bad i couldnt do it, now it doesnt feel like anything.

 

[5.5psl]

jaw muscles dont just keep growing and growing, I injected steroids and igf into the muscles and it still barely even made them bigger after like 50 injections of various shit into my masseters.

Bonesmashing actually gets results for me, but i remember one dude saying it fucke dup his jaw and made it swell up and he had to get it drained or something.

Yeah at first it hurt so bad i couldnt do it, now it doesnt feel like anything.

So is there any safe way to bonesmash ramus i only smash my chin as of now I don't smash cheekbones as the are the middle part of the face and I don't want to fuck my collagen there and neither i smash my brow ridge because it will just give brain damage
My plan was to chew to grow my ramus and smashh my chin to make it projected and wide and if bonesmashing doesn't work i would get chin fillers
My question is how can you smash ramus without damaging your jaw permanently?

 

[Deleted member 24444]

bonesmash

It's cope

 

[5.5psl]

It's cope

I also don't have huge expectation from it I am doing it for experiment basis I know it's retarded to smash your face to become a chad but hey I will do anything possible to become chad be it steroids surgeries or smashing my own face

 

[Skry]

jaw muscles dont just keep growing and growing, I injected steroids and igf into the muscles and it still barely even made them bigger

why would u do this shit, also if ur jaw muscles did grow that much it would just look retarded, its like telling framecels just roid and do lateral raises and it will make up for their 1 foot clavicles.

 

[5.5psl]

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mogged.

Is that you bro ?

 

[2d v2]

So is there any safe way to bonesmash ramus i only smash my chin as of now I don't smash cheekbones as the are the middle part of the face and I don't want to fuck my collagen there and neither i smash my brow ridge because it will just give brain damage
My plan was to chew to grow my ramus and smashh my chin to make it projected and wide and if bonesmashing doesn't work i would get chin fillers
My question is how can you smash ramus without damaging your jaw permanently?

i smacked myself in the face with a hammer, idk how it would effect collgen. Damaged skin regenerated collagen. Brain damage is a good concern to have, I have some memory loss but not horribly severe.

why would u do this shit, also if ur jaw muscles did grow that much it would just look retarded, its like telling framecels just roid and do lateral raises and it will make up for their 1 foot clavicles.

you just dont understant how narrow my jaw once was, and how much fucking larder it is now. Its like two different mandibles.

 

[Orc]

Is that you bro ?

it would be gay if it weren't.

 

[Apolloianbeauty]

i smacked myself in the face with a hammer, idk how it would effect collgen. Damaged skin regenerated collagen. Brain damage is a good concern to have, I have some memory loss but not horribly severe.

you just dont understant how narrow my jaw once was, and how much fucking larder it is now. Its like two different mandibles.

What did you do exactly

 

[Eduardo DOV]

gdfg

 

[2d v2]

What did you do exactly

hit every part of my extrenal jaws with a hammer. Used a phone to record from the non mirror perspective after becoming horribly asymmetric from only using a mirror. it turns out it may look symmetrical in a mirror but totally asymmetric in a non mirror perspectiveaka everyone who looks at you)

 

[Deleted member 19766]

No. Only incisor chewing or bimax can give that

Any proof about incisor chewing claim?

 

[Whatashame]

The illusion of a short ramus comes from a large gonial angle:
View attachment 1613183View attachment 1613186
This occurs because the maxilla is recessed which also forces the mandible to recess as well. SInce the mandible is "stuck" it has to grow downward in order to fit in the skull. Remember: the bones in your skull have to cooperate in a way where they function properly together. As a result improper growth of certain parts will affect other parts. If you are using retractive rubber bands and have downward growth, you will recess your face more and the downward growth will get worse.


As the maxilla moves forward, the mandible can also start to move forward as well which could also align your bite as well.
View attachment 1613204View attachment 1613206



Your skull already has all the bones it needs to properly form your face. However, the misalignment is the reason why it looks like you lack the bones.

its not that simple

, i dont know how much of ramus is downward grown to be honest. It seems to be a dimorphic trait.

 

[bobsmith03]

Wtf you bonesmashed your ramus ??
You could have got the same results if not better by just chewing hard foods which devlop the masseters and overtime remodels the ramus

Ramus can’t grow if maxilla is not up and forward. It has no room. That’s why mewing is important

 

[bobsmith03]

Never heard of incisor chewing.

No. Only incisor chewing or bimax can give that

I thought that it is bad because it grows you are using your cheeks.

 

[Agapan]

in general correct, however it also has to do with genes, prenatal T and so on. Someone with a low T face and appearance in general, will rarely have long ramus, even with perfect craniofacial development.

Haha with low T.. are you a human biologist scientist? Interesting new facts

 

[bobsmith03]

The illusion of a short ramus comes from a large gonial angle:
View attachment 1613183View attachment 1613186
This occurs because the maxilla is recessed which also forces the mandible to recess as well. SInce the mandible is "stuck" it has to grow downward in order to fit in the skull. Remember: the bones in your skull have to cooperate in a way where they function properly together. As a result improper growth of certain parts will affect other parts. If you are using retractive rubber bands and have downward growth, you will recess your face more and the downward growth will get worse.


As the maxilla moves forward, the mandible can also start to move forward as well which could also align your bite as well.
View attachment 1613204View attachment 1613206



Your skull already has all the bones it needs to properly form your face. However, the misalignment is the reason why it looks like you lack the bones.

what surgery to fix downward growth?

 

[inwardgonionscel]

Total shit thread, baseless. Short ramus does not mean downward growth, it means less bone. If you took that angle and rotated it upwards his head would be so small that it would be comical.

I know this because I had a slanted forward jaw, not downward, just zero ramus, and igf-1 + bone smashing filled the angle out like some type of obscure early 20s massive growth spurt. The mandible is supposed to be dense in bone at the ramus.

I always thought of this, do you have b&a pictures i can go on instagram or sum to see them. It's fucking interesting i need so much more bone at the gonions my name tell u my situation jfl