You guys don't get it

[Peco]

This forum is steering you away from the correct path. The reason most people are unattractive is that they are missing function. If you look at any very attractive person you'll notice they are very healthy and functional. Most of the procedures that are suggested in this forum do not help with restoring function, but rather try to put a band aid on a bullet wound. Fat grafts, implants, surgery... they hide the problem but don't fix it. That's why most results are uncanny or eventually lead to relapse.

 

[avgsub5human]

I like your takes but this is just missing the point completely. Fat graft will fix your methaddict eyebags softmaxxes will help you look more attractive and healthier via frauding etc etc

 

[Peco]

I like your takes but this is just missing the point completely. Fat graft will fix your methaddict eyebags softmaxxes will help you look more attractive and healthier via frauding etc etc

They try to mimic that function. But don't you think that adressing the problem directly would be more benefitial and give you better results ?

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

This forum is steering you away from the correct path. The reason most people are unattractive is that they are missing function. If you look at any very attractive person you'll notice they are very healthy and functional. Most of the procedures that are suggested in this forum do not help with restoring function, but rather try to put a band aid on a bullet wound. Fat grafts, implants, surgery... they hide the problem but don't fix it. That's why most results are uncanny or eventually lead to relapse.

What do you suggest the real problem is then for a person with a jaw-width of a 9 year old girl? Whats the underlying problem? Genetics? We are not technologically advanced enough *YET* to fix that.

I mean jaw surgeries here are suggested often, and they are very good at fixing aesthetical AND functional concerns.

So what is your point? Mental health?

 

[avgsub5human]

They try to mimic that function. But don't you think that adressing the problem directly would be more benefitial and give you better results ?

I mean depends on the context give me some examples of how you could fix persistent meth eyebags with good sleep and diet?

 

[Peco]

What do you suggest the real problem is then for a person with a jaw-width of a 9 year old girl? Whats the underlying problem? Genetics?

I just told you it's function. Nobody has the jaw width of a 9 yo girl genetically, unless you have some severe deformities.

We are not technologically advanced enough *YET* to fix that.

I mean jaw surgeries here are suggested often, and they are very good at fixing aesthetical AND functional concerns.

Out of all the procedures mentioned surgery is definitely the best, since there is at least some movement and thus some restored function. Its not even close to being the best or most optimal though

So what is your point? Mental health?

I won't give you the solution

 

[Peco]

I mean depends on the context give me some examples of how you could fix persistent meth eyebags with good sleep and diet?

I can't tell you how to fix such a specific problem without knowing more about the person suffering from it

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

I just told you it's function. Nobody has the jaw width of a 9 yo girl genetically, unless you have some severe deformities.



Out of all the procedures mentioned surgery is definitely the best, since there is at least some movement and thus some restored function. Its not even close to being the best or most optimal though

I won't give you the solution

What the hell are you even trying to say dude ? You are just saying things at this point. "I won't give you the solution" what is the point of this thread then ? Tell us that we are wrong about everything and that you have some kind of secret sauce which you won't share with us?

I just told you it's function. Nobody has the jaw width of a 9 yo girl genetically, unless you have some severe deformities.

Your brain function seems to be the problem here, you cannot even understand sarcasm. If I tell someone that "he looks like shit", I don't mean that he literally looks like human fecies, it just means that he looks bad.


Offtopic, but do you have down syndrome? Replying to you reminded me the time I tried to explain some basic logic to a dude who was a down syndrome patient. His replies were similar to your replies, actually maybe even better.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

I mean depends on the context give me some examples of how you could fix persistent meth eyebags with good sleep and diet?

Forget about it, he probably just forgot to take his schizo meds and thinks he figured the world out somehow.

 

[Peco]

What the hell are you even trying to say dude ? You are just saying things at this point. "I won't give you the solution" what is the point of this thread then ? Tell us that we are wrong about everything and that you have some kind of secret sauce which you won't share with us?

Not some secret sauce but yeah. Im not willing to give you the solutions but I have no problem telling you what isn't the solution.

The reasons I gave for why those procedures don't work don't require me to give an alternative for them to be true.

Your brain function seems to be the problem here, you cannot even understand sarcasm. If I tell someone that "he looks like shit", I don't mean that he literally looks like human fecies, it just means that he looks bad.

I understood what you meant, I just used the same hyperbole you used to explain that if you have a very recessed feature or very far from the optimal range it's probably not a genetic problem but rather a functional one. There are exceptions of course, traits that are highly genetical like the distance between your eyes, but for the most part it's how I explained

 

[فاشل]

nigga wtf is this cope, "I need to restore my function to become chad "
It's all genetics nigga, and looksmaxing is just frauding your shitty genes whether via surgery or softmaxxes, etc.

 

[Peco]

nigga wtf is this cope, "I need to restore my function to become chad "

Not saying you will become chad by doing that, but you definitely won't with those other procedures either. What I'm claiming is that the best way to improve your looks is restoring the missing function

It's all genetics nigga, and looksmaxing is just frauding your shitty genes whether via surgery or softmaxxes, etc.

Not at all. I feel like a lot of people have this idea that genetic determine everything but that's not really the case. I debated this many times with people here, but nobody was able to give me a satisfying justification for why they would believe that, other then them being brainwashed by this community. So what is your justification for saying that ?

 

[فاشل]

Not saying you will become chad by doing that, but you definitely won't with those other procedures either. What I'm claiming is that the best way to do it is by restoring the missing function

Yea i kinda over exaggerated a bit, obviously you wont become a chad after X amount of procedures, but wtf does attractiveness have anything to do with function? can u give examples or some shit.

Not at all. I feel like a lot of people have this idea that genetic determine everything but that's not really the case. I debated this many times with people here, but nobody was able to give me a satisfying justification for why they would believe that, other then them being brainwashed by this community. So what is your justification for saying that ?

I take back what I said earlier, it's a mix of both genetics and habits during your youth. ( proper posture, breathing, nutrition, sufficient breastfeeding, etc.)

 

[Peco]

Yea i kinda over exaggerated a bit, obviously you wont become a chad after X amount of procedures, but wtf does attractiveness have anything to do with function? can u give examples or some shit.

If you look at any attractive person you'll see that they have no postural problems, no breathing issues, no digestive or circulation issues, usually athletic and overall very healthy. On the other hand if you are unattractive you are not only ugly, but you probably have postural issues, breathing issues and overall you probably aren't very healthy.
Procedures like implants or fillers don't fix any of that, but rather try to mimic what an healthy person looks like.
Surgery out of those is probably the best, because since it actually moves your bones it can somewhat help with breathing for example. But it still does not adress the other things so it's not really the most optimal.

I take back what I said earlier, it's a mix of both genetics and habits during your youth. ( proper posture, breathing, nutrition, sufficient breastfeeding, etc.)

I would say habits in general, not only during youth. Certainly the habits contribute more during youth but they are important at every age

 

[Peco]

Forget about it, he probably just forgot to take his schizo meds and thinks he figured the world out somehow.

You reacted very emotionally to my replies. It seems you are frustrated by the fact that I might know something you don't but won't tell it to you.
If you were to approach this more rationally you would understand that I'm right and this should be enough of an hint to start looking somewhere else.
But you can't control your resentment and decide to reply by mocking me. Yours is a very common coping mechanism people use when faced with something they can't logically debunk but also don't want to be true, since it might result in them having to revaluate some of their most rooted beliefs and choices.

 

[فاشل]

If you look at any attractive person you'll see that they have no postural problems, no breathing issues, no digestive or circulation issues, usually athletic and overall very healthy. On the other hand if you are unattractive you are not only ugly, but you probably have postural issues, breathing issues and overall you probably aren't very healthy.
Procedures like implants or fillers don't fix any of that, but rather try to mimic what an healthy person looks like.
Surgery out of those is probably the best, because since it actually moves your bones it can somewhat help with breathing for example. But it still does not adress the other things so it's not really the most optimal.

I kinda agree with most of what u said, but still, there are hundreds if not thousands of extremely attractive models that have the most unhealthy lifestyles yet they are still very attractive.
but according to what youv'e stated they should be subhumans which is simply not the case.

for example lets take a look at the supposed "most healthiest man on earth"

according to what you just said he should be the most attractive person on earth right?

but if we take a look at jordan barret one of the most attractive people alive, his lifestyle isn't really great. smoking and partying all day prob does drugs, and god knows what this nigga takes, yet hes still one of the most attractive people on earth.

same with sean o pry and almost every other model.

lastly, just because there is a correlation between function/health and attractivness does not mean that being more healthy or improving your function will make ur more attractive. infact, there are some cases of people getting jaw surgery to improve their airway just for them to descend and end up looking worse.

Procedures like implants or fillers don't fix any of that, but rather try to mimic what an healthy person looks like.

So your saying healthy people will instantly have chad jaws or some shit nigga ur so delusional.

Surgery out of those is probably the best, because since it actually moves your bones it can somewhat help with breathing for example. But it still does not adress the other things so it's not really the most optimal.

im assuming your referring to osteotemties, and yea they are great procedures but there are limitations and it's quite risky in comparison to implants, so if i were to follow ur advice, id have to get a lefort 3 instead of infraorbital implants to fix a recessed uppermaxilla?
do you know how risky a lefort 3 is?

I would say habits in general, not only during youth. Certainly the habits contribute more during youth but they are important at every age

 

[Peco]

I kinda agree with most of what u said, but still, there are hundreds if not thousands of extremely attractive models that have the most unhealthy lifestyles yet they are still very attractive.
but according to what youv'e stated they should be subhumans which is simply not the case.

It's not about lifestyle here. They might smoke cigs, drink alcohol or do drugs but they still retain their good function. I added overall health as one of the metrics to measure function but it's not the only one. I think postural habits are definitely the most important, as they lead to improvement in all the other categories like breathing, circulation and digestion.

for example lets take a look at the supposed "most healthiest man on earth"

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according to what you just said he should be the most attractive person on earth right.

but if we take a look at jordan barret one of the most attractive people alive, his lifestyle isn't really great. smoking and partying all day prob does drugs, and god knows what this nigga takes, yet hes still one of the most attractive people on earth.

Like I said it's not really about lifestyle. It's mostly postural habits and Sean and Barret are both in the top 1% in that. That is not to say it's the only thing that determines their looks, genetics play a role as well, but they have a big impact

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same with sean o pry and almost every other model.
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lastly, just because there is a correlation between function/health and attractivness does not mean that being more healthy or improving your function will make ur more attractive.

Yes it will

infact, there are some cases of people getting jaw surgery to improve their airway just for them to descend and end up looking worse.

You are agreeing with me here. My post is about the fact that these procedures aren't optimal. There are probably many reasons why your airway might be partially closed. Trying to adress only one of them will probably result in bad results. You need to take an holistic approach

So your saying healthy people will instantly have chad jaws or some shit nigga ur so delusional.

im assuming your referring to osteotemties, and yea they are great procedures but there are limitations and it's quite risky in comparison to implants, so if i were to follow ur advice, id have to get a lefort 3 instead of infraorbital implants to fix a recessed uppermaxilla?
do you know how risky a lefort 3 is?

I know the limitations and risks, that's why my post says I wouldn't recommend any of them, because there are better solutions.

I'm just saying that out of all of the procedures I listed, something like a lefort 1 is better than implants, because at least it does restore some function. That said I still think lefort 1 is not good. Obviously I won't recommend anything like lefort 2 or 3, since those are considered bad even among those who support surgery

 

[فاشل]

It's not about lifestyle here. They might smoke cigs, drink alcohol or do drugs but they still retain their good function. I added overall health as one of the metrics to measure function but it's not the only one. I think postural habits are definitely the most important, as they lead to improvement in all the other categories like breathing, circulation and digestion.

Show proof that having a good posture will make u more attractive or improiving your function will make u directly more attractive?
i don't see any proof here, the only thing i see is some schizo typing a bunch of nonsense.

Like I said it's not really about lifestyle. It's mostly postural habits and Sean and Barret are both in the top 1% in that. That is not to say it's the only thing that determines their looks, genetics play a role as well, but they have a big impact

So your saying if i improve my posture i will instantly become more attrative? lol stop preaching this nonsense.

And again show me proof, i need clinical evidence??

Yes it will

once again 0 proof.

You are agreeing with me here. My post is about the fact that these procedures aren't optimal. There are probably many reasons why your airway might be partially closed. Trying to adress only one of them will probably result in bad results. You need to take an holistic approach

ok then tell me what is the "optimal procedure" ?? or do i just need to improve my posture then ill become a chad

 

[Peco]

Show proof that having a good posture will make u more attractive or improiving your function will make u directly more attractive?
i don't see any proof here, the only thing i see is some schizo typing a bunch of nonsense.

So your saying if i improve my posture i will instantly become more attrative? lol stop preaching this nonsense.

And again show me proof, i need clinical evidence??




once again 0 proof.


ok then tell me what is the "optimal procedure" ?? or do i just need to improve my posture then ill become a chad

The goal of this post was not to explain what I think the most optimal way is. I will gatekeep the solution because I have no reason to do otherwise. Still I have no problem showing why these procedures I mentioned are not optimal, and the reasons I gave don't require an alternative for them to be true

 

[فاشل]

The goal of this post was not to explain what I think the most optimal way is. I will gatekeep the solution because I have no reason to do otherwise.

I hope both sides of ur pillow will be warm tonight.

 

[Deleted member 93861]

The way you “debate” is slippery asf and comical bro. Not gonna elaborate further

 

[Peco]

The way you “debate” is slippery asf and comical bro. Not gonna elaborate further

Pointless comment then, I don't care about a random opinion unless it's backed by reasonable arguments.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

You reacted very emotionally to my replies. It seems you are frustrated by the fact that I might know something you don't but won't tell it to you.
If you were to approach this more rationally you would understand that I'm right and this should be enough of an hint to start looking somewhere else.
But you can't control your resentment and decide to reply by mocking me. Yours is a very common coping mechanism people use when faced with something they can't logically debunk but also don't want to be true, since it might result in them having to revaluate some of their most rooted beliefs and choices.

I cannot debunk anything you say, because you claim that I'm not looking at the "underlying issue". But when I ask what is the underlying issue, you don't even elaborate. I sincerely do not know what are you talking about.

I cannot even debunk your beliefs because you don't share them, you just claim it's something none of us knows, and I just find your statement kind of stupid, that's all. You provide no value, you just claim you know something we don't and you refuse to elaborate further.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

Pointless comment then, I don't care about a random opinion unless it's backed by reasonable arguments.

You don't care about random opinion, but you post a random opinion with 0 arguments, you provide 0 context lol, what are we supposed to debunk? Your mystery? Is this the moment where you try to sell your "magical mysterious" course to us ?

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

The goal of this post was not to explain what I think the most optimal way is. I will gatekeep the solution because I have no reason to do otherwise. Still I have no problem showing why these procedures I mentioned are not optimal, and the reasons I gave don't require an alternative for them to be true

"I will gatekeep the solution" a.k.a "I just realized how stupid I am and I have 0 arguments to back up my schizo theory".

You kind of sound like Connor Murphy when he hopped on Ayahuasca and "figured out" that the universe is one big mathematical equation that only he knows.

 

[sdy]

This forum is steering you away from the correct path. The reason most people are unattractive is that they are missing function. If you look at any very attractive person you'll notice they are very healthy and functional. Most of the procedures that are suggested in this forum do not help with restoring function, but rather try to put a band aid on a bullet wound. Fat grafts, implants, surgery... they hide the problem but don't fix it. That's why most results are uncanny or eventually lead to relapse.

"just be healthy and fonctional bro you will ascend to cl trust"

 

[Peco]

You don't care about random opinion, but you post a random opinion with 0 arguments, you provide 0 context lol, what are we supposed to debunk? Your mystery? Is this the moment where you try to sell your "magical mysterious" course to us ?

The reasons I gave for why these procedures are bad are there, idk why you say I gave no arguments. You guys asked if I had an alternative later in the replies, and to that I responded that I won't provide it, since I have no reason to

 

[Peco]

"I will gatekeep the solution" a.k.a "I just realized how stupid I am and I have 0 arguments to back up my schizo theory".

Again this is a coping mechanism. You can believe that if it makes you accept that I know something you don't. But I have made posts similar to this, and my first posts on the forum are about why people should gatekeep. But again while I won't give you the right solution I have no problem logically explaining why these other procedures are bad

You kind of sound like Connor Murphy when he hopped on Ayahuasca and "figured out" that the universe is one big mathematical equation that only he knows.

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[Peco]

"just be healthy and fonctional bro you will ascend to cl trust"

Not what I said.

 

[Peco]

I cannot debunk anything you say, because you claim that I'm not looking at the "underlying issue". But when I ask what is the underlying issue, you don't even elaborate. I sincerely do not know what are you talking about.

I cannot even debunk your beliefs because you don't share them, you just claim it's something none of us knows, and I just find your statement kind of stupid, that's all. You provide no value, you just claim you know something we don't and you refuse to elaborate further.

The reasons I gave don't require an alternative to be true like I said in most of my replies. Idk why it's that hard to understand

 

[sdy]

Not what I said.

youre saying that org only provide band aids to people problems wich is true but isnt bad like you said, because this is the only way to efficiently "fix" the problem wich is unfixable in itself. the scar cannot heal and the best solutions are effective band aids/masks