“You need to have a good base bro”

[SurgeonsAreScammers]

What does this saying even mean? I hear a lot on here that you need a “good base” to ascend, but what’s the difference between an mtn and an LTN when had surgery to reach mtn. Why does the base not change?

Like if you’re a LTN, but your chin is recessed, you can easily go up to MTN from genio alone.

So now can’t you just count that as your “base”?

In general, I feel like the people who scene most from surgeries are ugly fuckers with a lot a flaws. If you have a hooked nose, a recessed chin, and a high hairline, you’re probably pretty damn ugly, fixing those flaws is relatively easy.

 

[esoterik]

a good base means most of the "important" ratios (ipd, pfl, any other major ratios) are solid, and in my opinion, the bigger factor is phenotype, if your a ugly white dude, the yield of surgery would be greater than a average/above average ethnic

 

[Kira@]

a good base is just someone who gets the most ROI out of the least amount of surgeries which would make him good looking afterwards(htn+)

Like if you’re a LTN, but your chin is recessed, you can easily go up to MTN from genio alone.

So now can’t you just count that as your “base”?

No because you had to spend time and money to reach that point so you can't count it as your base obviously

The whole reason you'd want to have a good base is so you spend as little time, money, and risk as possible to be good looking. If you need 3 surgeries that are easy to get but at the end of those surgeries you only went from subhuman to ltn then was it really worth it? that's why people say you need a good base

 

[yussimania]

ive seen seen subhumans go to HTN this base cope is bullshit

 

[Swarthy Knight]

ive seen seen subhumans go to HTN this base cope is bullshit

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Its not that you necessarily need a good base to ascend. But the better your base the easier the process (less risky/expensive surgeries needed). Water, but yeah

 

[CkldPsycho]

its not about how attractive you are born, its about whether the failos that you have can be fixed.

for example, if you have a well developed jaw but a bad cranium, you have a bad base, because there is no way to fix a bad cranium. reversely, if you have a good cranium but bad jaws, you have a good base because your jaws can be fixed via jaw surgery.

 

[kaydd]

ive seen seen subhumans go to HTN this base cope is bullshit

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The one at top had a good base as he had sfs(insanely good roi from dj)
The second person has amazing results but still lmtn.

Base isn’t cope but it isn't the only thing that comes into consideration, things such as surgeon’s skill matter count as well.

 

[Le fort]

its not about how attractive you are born, its about whether the failos that you have can be fixed.

for example, if you have a well developed jaw but a bad cranium, you have a bad base, because there is no way to fix a bad cranium. reversely, if you have a good cranium but bad jaws, you have a good base because your jaws can be fixed via jaw surgery.

This!

@thecel completely opened my eyes how important cranial depth is.

It becomes near impossible you need to build real cranial depth

You can be a HLTN with Chadlite potential from a bimax, but hard stuck MTN unless you get crazy movements.

You get to the point where you need to build implants on the temporal bone to even match advancement of the skull.

 

[kaydd]

This!

@thecel completely opened my eyes how important cranial depth is.

It becomes near impossible when you need more than a lefort 2

You can be a HLTN with Chadlite potential from needing a bimax, but MTN but be near hard stuck without crazy movements.

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You get to the point where you need to build implants on the temporal bone to even match advancement of the skull.

I wonder if theres a mega thread regarding one’s limitations/base?

 

[yussimania]

This!

@thecel completely opened my eyes how important cranial depth is.

It becomes near impossible you need to build real cranial depth

You can be a HLTN with Chadlite potential from a bimax, but hard stuck MTN unless you get crazy movements.

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You get to the point where you need to build implants on the temporal bone to even match advancement of the skull.

no neurocranium can be frauded easily with hair. This only applies if you're bald

what matters more is the frontonasal processes. This limits how far you can advance the jaws during surgery.

Post in thread 'BIMAX HAS LIMITS IN MOVEMENT' https://looksmax.org/threads/bimax-has-limits-in-movement.1304200/post-19215754

 

[yussimania]

@Le fort

this as well in conjunction with having a strong upper third. Facial depth should be measured by gonion - nasion. I'm not sure how to operationalise it but generally you want it more at a horizontal line than a vertical line.

 

[Need Chin]

A good base is everything. I had terrible recession, got a trimax done with crazy movements and look the same if not worse. If your base sucks you’re stuck in hell forever.

 

[ltn_looksminner]

A good base is everything. I had terrible recession, got a trimax done with crazy movements and look the same if not worse. If your base sucks you’re stuck in hell forever.

well trimax is a side profile surgery anyways

 

[lurking truecel]

I mean everything is relative, a good base can be a bad base for a another surgeon. Good base exist but its also to find a good surgeon to your base. Also ofc if you got one deformity which is easily fixed with surgery and the rest is extremly good looking you have good base. But thats really rare

 

[zemult]

ive seen seen subhumans go to HTN this base cope is bullshit

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First guy had SFS, which is what would be considered a good base because you benefit heavily from downgrafting.

Second guy is not HTN but an improvement nonetheless.

 

[zemult]

What does this saying even mean? I hear a lot on here that you need a “good base” to ascend, but what’s the difference between an mtn and an LTN when had surgery to reach mtn. Why does the base not change?

Like if you’re a LTN, but your chin is recessed, you can easily go up to MTN from genio alone.

So now can’t you just count that as your “base”?

In general, I feel like the people who scene most from surgeries are ugly fuckers with a lot a flaws. If you have a hooked nose, a recessed chin, and a high hairline, you’re probably pretty damn ugly, fixing those flaws is relatively easy.

A good base means you have falios that are easy and realistic to fix based off the method of looksmaxxing you're going for.

For example, a white guy with an actually recessed jaw and bad UEE has a great base for hardmaxxing. He just needs jaw surgery, and orbital implants or fat grafting. Great base for hardmaxxing, but not softmaxxing. Then a white guy that's morbidly obese, pale, and has obviously good bones. Great base for softmaxxing.

Then let's say we have an Indian with a very long midface but not recessed, very close IPD, bad PFL he looks terrified all the time. Narrow mouth. He is basically stuck where he is and will never ascend. No surgery except OBO (an invasive and experimental procedure) will realistically help, and Softmaxxing obviously won't help.

TLDR: good phenotype, scoring well with the most important unfixable ratios like FWHR, MFR, ESR, EAR, & lacking unfixable flaws.

 

[Nahorscend]

This phrase refers to how well your flaws correspond to the current available techniques. If you have specific flaws that can be targeted effectively with the surgical (or soft) options of the day, and just fixing these flaws will leave you looking good, then you have a good base. If there is a mismatch between your flaws and what can realistically be done, you have a bad base.

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

What does this saying even mean? I hear a lot on here that you need a “good base” to ascend, but what’s the difference between an mtn and an LTN when had surgery to reach mtn. Why does the base not change?

Like if you’re a LTN, but your chin is recessed, you can easily go up to MTN from genio alone.

So now can’t you just count that as your “base”?

In general, I feel like the people who scene most from surgeries are ugly fuckers with a lot a flaws. If you have a hooked nose, a recessed chin, and a high hairline, you’re probably pretty damn ugly, fixing those flaws is relatively easy.

A good base means only needing softmaxxes to look good
Too many hardmaxes can make you look like a tranny and also costs money+ surgery risks