"You'll lose your youth if you study/ pursue that degree"

[4ever]

This whole “you lose your youth” argument that pops up whenever someone talks about putting effort into their teens and early 20s is really low-IQ.

For most people, the alternative isn’t some amazing carefree lifestyle—it’s rotting away on video games or grinding at a job they hate.

Honestly, staying in school or college longer is usually way more comfortable than jumping into a blue-collar or low-level office job early. That’s exactly why people choose to study longer: it’s a way to postpone real work.

It’s basically like being in school, but with the freedom to wake up whenever you want and being surrounded by peers. Most university students aren’t studying 8-9 hours every single day, but if you have a job, you basically do.

And also, the whole “it takes forever to become a doctor” thing is overblown. In Europe, it’s completely realistic to be a medical doctor by 24 or 25.

 

[idkmanimao]

This whole “you lose your youth” argument that pops up whenever someone talks about putting effort into their teens and early 20s is really low-IQ.

For most people, the alternative isn’t some amazing carefree lifestyle—it’s rotting away on video games or grinding at a job they hate.

Honestly, staying in school or college longer is usually way more comfortable than jumping into a blue-collar or low-level office job early. That’s exactly why people choose to study longer: it’s a way to postpone real work.

It’s basically like being in school, but with the freedom to wake up whenever you want and being surrounded by peers. Most university students aren’t studying 8-9 hours every single day, but if you have a job, you basically do.

And also, the whole “it takes forever to become a doctor” thing is overblown. In Europe, it’s completely realistic to be a medical doctor by 24 or 25.

water bro

 

[valentine]

ok but what about the fact the degrees are expensive as fuck and you still get minimum wage jobs with most degrees

 

[quodia]

This whole “you lose your youth” argument that pops up whenever someone talks about putting effort into their teens and early 20s is really low-IQ.

For most people, the alternative isn’t some amazing carefree lifestyle—it’s rotting away on video games or grinding at a job they hate.

Honestly, staying in school or college longer is usually way more comfortable than jumping into a blue-collar or low-level office job early. That’s exactly why people choose to study longer: it’s a way to postpone real work.

It’s basically like being in school, but with the freedom to wake up whenever you want and being surrounded by peers. Most university students aren’t studying 8-9 hours every single day, but if you have a job, you basically do.

And also, the whole “it takes forever to become a doctor” thing is overblown. In Europe, it’s completely realistic to be a medical doctor by 24 or 25.

In Europe yeah its great, In America its not worth your time and money outside a real uni with a scholarship. You're better off with a trade here.

 

[4ever]

ok but what about the fact the degrees are expensive as fuck and you still get minimum wage jobs with most degrees

Choose a degree that's worth it financially. You can get financial support or scholarships, try to qualify for those.

Those decisions in your early life will have tremendous consequences for the rest of your and your children's lifes.

 

[valentine]

Choose a degree that's worth it financially. You can get financial support or scholarships, try to qualify for those.

Those decisions in your early life will have tremendous consequences for the rest of your and your children's lifes.

its too late lol i wish i went to trade school instead of studying business

 

[quodia]

I think everyone thinks they "wasted their youth" one way or another approaching or during wizardry

 

[quodia]

its too late lol i wish i went to trade school instead of studying business

he doesn't understand that trades are better in america, degrees are useless here and everyone is competing for the same jobs

 

[valentine]

he doesn't understand that trades are better in america, degrees are useless here and everyone is competing for the same jobs

in europe too

 

[A_Ron_Kool_Aid]

If you are High MTN and above I recommend going to university. Otherwise, no. Your just going to be a ghost 99% of the time. Atleast at a job you are just going to be chilling with people who mind their own business. And if aslong as you aren't an iqlet, you could likely find a good low effort job.

 

[quodia]

in europe too

really? I didn't know that, damn man. thought it was actually worth it there.

 

[valentine]

really? I didn't know that, damn man. thought it was actually worth it there.

not really, most jobs im looking at here require actual experience you would get at a trade school not a useless paper you get from uni. i know a lot of people with degrees who do the dishes for a living or some other minimum wage job. also know people with multiple degrees who cant even get a minimum wage job

 

[4ever]

in europe too

No, definitely not. Unless you're self employed with your own company. But that's not feasible for everyone + then you're not a laborer but a businessman.

This debate isn't about uni vs trades.

It's against the notion that effort put into your education, career, etc in your youth and twenties are a waste of your youth.

You can put effort into learning a trade and becoming really competent at it. You'll have to grind as well to accomplish that.

 

[Giorgio]

no youth for incels

 

[Cicciosudmaxxer]

Just do both bruh

 

[4ever]

Just do both bruh

What do you mean?
Put in effort and waste your youth at the same time?

 

[Cicciosudmaxxer]

What do you mean?
Put in effort and waste your youth at the same time?

If you study and workout from Monday to Thursday you can do just about anything while going out on the weekends

 

[buddhistking]

Most niggas who claim they're living "muh free neet life" are just gooning and watching movies all day long, I know cus I been there

 

[Chasingthedream569]

Couldn't agree more

 

[4ever]

Most niggas who claim they're living "muh free neet life" are just gooning and watching movies all day long, I know cus I been there

Yeah that lifestyle is atrocious and will get you as far away from getting laid as you can get

 

[chickencalves]

Nigga fuck that. I've hit 30 and that last decade went by like nothing. My college years especially were a blur. It literally wouldn't have made a difference what I did with that time or if I stayed in college like 3 extra years.
My point is, it's a tiny part of your life that will determine the rest of it. AND you still have enough freedom while doing it to have fun.
Notice how I said have fun, not sitting around doing nothing. That's worthless to you. You can learn hobbies, meet women, make friends during college bruh.

Don't be the idiot choosing courses based on if there will be cute girls doing it. Or turning great opportunities down cause you wanna follow friends around to a certain school. Or choosing schools with partying reputations. That shit comes and goes in a flash, and now you've wasted money and time on an ass degree.

 

[aids]

Yes but did you really need to use AI for this thread bruh.

 

[aids]

Nigga fuck that. I've hit 30 and that last decade went by like nothing. My college years especially were a blur. It literally wouldn't have made a difference what I did with that time or if I stayed in college like 3 extra years.
My point is, it's a tiny part of your life that will determine the rest of it. AND you still have enough freedom while doing it to have fun.
Notice how I said have fun, not sitting around doing nothing. That's worthless to you. You can learn hobbies, meet women, make friends during college bruh.

Don't be the idiot choosing courses based on if there will be cute girls doing it. Or turning great opportunities down cause you wanna follow friends around to a certain school. Or choosing schools with partying reputations. That shit comes and goes in a flash, and now you've wasted money and time on an ass degree.

Miring wisdom. I'm coming to the end of my second year and it has gone by very fast.

 

[MagicalWaves]

This whole “you lose your youth” argument that pops up whenever someone talks about putting effort into their teens and early 20s is really low-IQ.

For most people, the alternative isn’t some amazing carefree lifestyle—it’s rotting away on video games or grinding at a job they hate.

Honestly, staying in school or college longer is usually way more comfortable than jumping into a blue-collar or low-level office job early. That’s exactly why people choose to study longer: it’s a way to postpone real work.

It’s basically like being in school, but with the freedom to wake up whenever you want and being surrounded by peers. Most university students aren’t studying 8-9 hours every single day, but if you have a job, you basically do.

And also, the whole “it takes forever to become a doctor” thing is overblown. In Europe, it’s completely realistic to be a medical doctor by 24 or 25.

you lose ur youth no matter what u do so spend ur time like me a fucking loser neet who smokes meth

 

[lilxder2]

those born with a high enough IQ or inherited enough wealth can make billions while the other 99% have to compete against each other like some gladiators to get the better degree than the other person, perform better at their job than the other person etc. just to be able to afford overprocessed food and a shit tiny apartment this is the most brutal blackpill of them all

 

[CorinthianLOX]

This is a cope. You’re not wasting your youth away if you are studying the thing you like and pursue your dream degree and having fun at uni parties

 

[Foreverbrad]

Yes as long as you do one of the very few worthwhile degrees. Honestly at this point I think medicine may be the only worthwhile degree left when you look at:

• Opportunity cost of time spent at university vs just going straight to work in trades, construction, etc
• Stock market increase while you’re at uni - if the stock market doubled during those 5 years you’d need twice the salary just to have the same purchasing power you did if you immediately started working, as WELL as being five years behind.
• Direct cost of going to uni - tuition fees, accommodation, etc

Basically unless your degree is going to let you walk into a job that pays 4+ times the pay of non degree jobs in your country, it will never pay off before you’re too old for it to even matter.

My engineering degree was an absolute scam for example, I wasted 5 years of my life and earnings to in the end only make the UK average wage which is only 1.5 times minimum wage itself.

 

[chickencalves]

Miring wisdom. I'm coming to the end of my second year and it has gone by very fast.

And it'll get faster the more hectic it becomes. I know people think being busy with Uni means you have no life, but unless you're chasing a career in academia, it doesn't matter. You'll have time for fun.
College being the only time to party and experiment was a thing when people got married and had kids at 22 and parents were too conservative to let you do anything before college, not now

 

[uOrca]

This whole “you lose your youth” argument that pops up whenever someone talks about putting effort into their teens and early 20s is really low-IQ.

being in college and school during your youth is the most important thing ever as you get social connections that way, If u drop out itll be a lot harder to make friends or find social circles unless you waste ur life and party all day

 

[chickencalves]

Yes as long as you do one of the very few worthwhile degrees. Honestly at this point I think medicine may be the only worthwhile degree left when you look at:

• Opportunity cost of time spent at university vs just going straight to work in trades, construction, etc
• Stock market increase while you’re at uni - if the stock market doubled during those 5 years you’d need twice the salary just to have the same purchasing power you did if you immediately started working, as WELL as being five years behind.
• Direct cost of going to uni - tuition fees, accommodation, etc

Basically unless your degree is going to let you walk into a job that pays 4+ times the pay of non degree jobs in your country, it will never pay off before you’re too old for it to even matter.

My engineering degree was an absolute scam for example, I wasted 5 years of my life and earnings to in the end only make the UK average wage which is only 1.5 times minimum wage itself.

How about in a decade? Would the guy making slightly less doing Uber without a university education have the same earning potential as you?
Most of those tradies have 2 futures to look forward to: supervisor/site manager OR owning their own business. It's an incredibly narrow future.
You might be thinking employment is just as limited, but you can shift to entrepreneurship as you wish, they can't just shift to 10 years worth of education and climbing the corporate ladder.

The whole appeal of a white collar career is exponential earning with steady decreasing duties/exertion

 

[Foreverbrad]

How about in a decade? Would the guy making slightly less doing Uber without a university education have the same earning potential as you?
Most of those tradies have 2 futures to look forward to: supervisor/site manager OR owning their own business. It's an incredibly narrow future.
You might be thinking employment is just as limited, but you can shift to entrepreneurship as you wish, they can't just shift to 10 years worth of education and climbing the cooperate ladder.

I have done the maths on this one, I have a spreadsheet I use for my own lifetime financial planning. It’s based on UK taxation structure but it’s very accurate.

It’s not even about planning a future career, investing early and letting it compound is the primary driver of your wealth, what you do in your 30s barely matters and your 40s are borderline irrelevant.

I would also say in my field at least that entrepreneurship is impossible due to how capital heavy and risky it is while for a plumber there is just buying some tools and a van that, usually, he was made to buy himself anyway by his employer.

Climbing the corporate ladder is a pipe dream in a world with stagnant population. You are not going to outcompete the other 20 normies who want to become manager if you are on fucking .org. And that’s just the first rung.

 

[chickencalves]

I have done the maths on this one, I have a spreadsheet I use for my own lifetime financial planning. It’s based on UK taxation structure but it’s very accurate.

It’s not even about planning a future career, investing early and letting it compound is the primary driver of your wealth, what you do in your 30s barely matters and your 40s are borderline irrelevant.

I would also say in my field at least that entrepreneurship is impossible due to how capital heavy and risky it is while for a plumber there is just buying some tools and a van that, usually, he was made to buy himself anyway by his employer.

Climbing the corporate ladder is a pipe dream in a world with stagnant population. You are not going to outcompete the other 20 normies who want to become manager if you are on fucking .org. And that’s just the first rung.

Honestly depending on your field, it's easier than you think.
If you're in a fast paced industry, working for a startup or something, it might not even exist in 5 years let alone promotion. But if you're working for the govt for example, you get to chill and fall upwards. Also, entrepreneurship could be consulting yk?

Anyway, you should consider Gulf countries. They love American and British engineers. They'll pay you a lot more than what you're getting. Plus cushy benefits and no taxes.

 

[4ever]

Nigga fuck that. I've hit 30 and that last decade went by like nothing. My college years especially were a blur. It literally wouldn't have made a difference what I did with that time or if I stayed in college like 3 extra years.
My point is, it's a tiny part of your life that will determine the rest of it. AND you still have enough freedom while doing it to have fun.
Notice how I said have fun, not sitting around doing nothing. That's worthless to you. You can learn hobbies, meet women, make friends during college bruh.

Don't be the idiot choosing courses based on if there will be cute girls doing it. Or turning great opportunities down cause you wanna follow friends around to a certain school. Or choosing schools with partying reputations. That shit comes and goes in a flash, and now you've wasted money and time on an ass degree.

This is a cope. You’re not wasting your youth away if you are studying the thing you like and pursue your dream degree and having fun at uni parties

So you agree with my post.

 

[try2beme]

Studying is less time consuming than a job, unless ur doing some hard core major

 

[Hernan]

i'll take blue collar i think.
originally i wanted to be a programmer but those C++ majors, i pity them.

 

[genetically fucked]

putting effort into

 

[Anxiety.prods]

This whole “you lose your youth” argument that pops up whenever someone talks about putting effort into their teens and early 20s is really low-IQ.

For most people, the alternative isn’t some amazing carefree lifestyle—it’s rotting away on video games or grinding at a job they hate.

Honestly, staying in school or college longer is usually way more comfortable than jumping into a blue-collar or low-level office job early. That’s exactly why people choose to study longer: it’s a way to postpone real work.

It’s basically like being in school, but with the freedom to wake up whenever you want and being surrounded by peers. Most university students aren’t studying 8-9 hours every single day, but if you have a job, you basically do.

And also, the whole “it takes forever to become a doctor” thing is overblown. In Europe, it’s completely realistic to be a medical doctor by 24 or 25.

to be honest it depends on what career you want to pursue

 

[chickencalves]

So you agree with my post.

I was giving you advice based on the poll and title, not agreeing or disagreeing since you obviously aren't completely sure.

 

[afkaik]

This whole “you lose your youth” argument that pops up whenever someone talks about putting effort into their teens and early 20s is really low-IQ.

For most people, the alternative isn’t some amazing carefree lifestyle—it’s rotting away on video games or grinding at a job they hate.

Honestly, staying in school or college longer is usually way more comfortable than jumping into a blue-collar or low-level office job early. That’s exactly why people choose to study longer: it’s a way to postpone real work.

It’s basically like being in school, but with the freedom to wake up whenever you want and being surrounded by peers. Most university students aren’t studying 8-9 hours every single day, but if you have a job, you basically do.

And also, the whole “it takes forever to become a doctor” thing is overblown. In Europe, it’s completely realistic to be a medical doctor by 24 or 25.

Unless you've got open doors and 115+ iq its genuinely over for most people, just accept your slavery and start busting nuts on brazilian jbs while you evade loan collectors

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Those decisions in your early life will have tremendous consequences for the rest of your and your children’s lifes.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

being in college and school during your youth is the most important thing ever as you get social connections that way, If u drop out itll be a lot harder to make friends or find social circles unless you waste ur life and party all day

True

 

[Patient A]

its too late lol i wish i went to trade school instead of studying business

If you do a trade and you have half a brain you realise at the latest age 30, this shit is destroying your body and you fucked up and need an easier job for the rest of your career. The ones who don’t leave at this point either lack ambition to basically restart career life this late or get locked in because they have kids or some kind of fucked coping addiction because the job is shit e.g. alcoholism is extremely rampant.

My engineering degree was an absolute scam for example, I wasted 5 years of my life and earnings to in the end only make the UK average wage which is only 1.5 times minimum wage itself.

Yeah sure the trade would make 2 times minimum wage but that job is harder and SHOULD make more. Once you have enough experience to start contracting on day rates as an engineer the money is very good for way less effort than the trade contractor.

Only trade off of being an office dronefag is that you need to keep fit in your spare time or else your spine slightly rapes your life.
In trades the job rapes your whole body and soul-the older you get the harder it rapes your life with every year harder raped life.

i'll take blue collar i think.
originally i wanted to be a programmer but those C++ majors, i pity them.

Yeah I don’t even know what I would pick with AI coming these days. Getting a half decent job is looking like nightmare mode for new graduates.

 

[Hernan]

If you do a trade and you have half a brain you realise at the latest age 30, this shit is destroying your body and you fucked up and need an easier job for the rest of your career. The ones who don’t leave at this point either lack ambition to basically restart career life this late or get locked in because they have kids or some kind of fucked coping addiction because the job is shit e.g. alcoholism is extremely rampant.

Yeah sure the trade would make 2 times minimum wage but that job is harder and SHOULD make more. Once you have enough experience to start contracting on day rates as an engineer the money is very good for way less effort than the trade contractor.

Only trade off of being an office dronefag is that you need to keep fit in your spare time or else your spine slightly rapes your life.
In trades the job rapes your whole body and soul-the older you get the harder it rapes your life with every year harder raped life.



Yeah I don’t even know what I would pick with AI coming these days. Getting a half decent job is looking like nightmare mode for new graduates.

yeah i think i'm gonna skip uni i dont even like it.

 

[Patient A]

yeah i think i'm gonna skip uni i dont even like it.

And do what?

 

[Hernan]

And do what?

i dont know yet, i still got one year to think about it.

 

[Patient A]

i dont know yet, i still got one year to think about it.

Just get NEETbux for a year or 2 and then go to uni

 

[car12345]

Just get NEETbux for a year or 2 and then go to uni

what is ur pfp bro

 

[Godtis]

I agree that getting a degree is a waste of time, you should become a gay prostitute instead.

 

[car12345]

I agree that getting a degree is a waste of time, you should become a gay prostitute instead.

be a stripper like zyzz

 

[wastedspermcel]

Choose a degree that's worth it financially. You can get financial support or scholarships, try to qualify for those.

Those decisions in your early life will have tremendous consequences for the rest of your and your children's lifes.

Lmao having a child is retarded unless you're minimum 120IQ, 6'+, have no trauma, have perfect physical and mental health, are decent looking and have some sort of innate talent