Proof Jesus is God and Destroying the Muslim arguments with Their False Prophet (come get some)

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

The Denomination is one - protestantism.

We do that too. All protestant churches have the same beliefs and everything and the same sacraments (protestants have sacraments too but they're different from your idolatrous ones)

Again you show how stupid you are, if we follow your logic "mainline protestantism" and "pent something" are the same denomination - the protestant one.

Same as your "much slower" argument. Your logic is retarded and I destroyed it.

If we follow your logic all these are different denominations:

Western (Latin) Church
Byzantine
Alexandrian
Antiochian
Armenian
Chaldean
Old Catholic Churches

you don't have 2 cents worth of brain

Another day, another utter destruction

No, protestant churches do not have the same beliefsnor anything else I mentioned.
There is enormous diversity within the family of Protestant churches, in theology and polity and worship. Some, like the Anglican high church tradition, are more similar to Catholicism than to most other Protestant churches.
Protestant churches consider themselves different denominations.
The Catholic Church, due to its hierarchical structures, is not said to be made up of denominations, rather, it is a single denomination that include kinds of regional councils and individual congregations and church bodies, which do not officially differ from one another in doctrine.

You destroyed nothing and are only embarassing yourself with every new post.
You literally have ZERO KNOWLEGE about the topic and about what are you rambling about.

 

[i_love_roosters]

Protestant churches, in theology and polity and worship. Some, like the Anglican high church

The Anglican church calls it self neither protestant, neither catholic, so you using it is ridiculous

consider themselves

Who are you to say what we consider ourselves


What happened to you "much slower" cope

Beyond over for demon possessed polaks like you

 

[i_love_roosters]

No, protestant churches do not have the same beliefsnor anything else I mentioned.
There is enormous diversity within the family of Protestant churches, in theology and polity and worship. Some, like the Anglican high church tradition, are more similar to Catholicism than to most other Protestant churches.
Protestant churches consider themselves different denominations.
The Catholic Church, due to its hierarchical structures, is not said to be made up of denominations, rather, it is a single denomination that include kinds of regional councils and individual congregations and church bodies, which do not officially differ from one another in doctrine.

You destroyed nothing and are only embarassing yourself with every new post.
You literally have ZERO KNOWLEGE about the topic and about what are you rambling about.

Look at you filthy little demon, distorting and lying like Satan does.

you added this part, it's not even in the original

LIAR, IT'S SO OVER FOR YOU. Same thing about "muuh Luther and the Turks" again another filthy lie. Repent for the awful sin of lying!

 

[gabbeascend]

Biblical proofs Jesus is GOD:

Isaiah 7:14 John 1:1-14 Isaiah 9:5-6 John 1:18 John 2:25 Isaiah 35:4 John 3:35-36 Isaiah 43:10-11 John 5:17-30 Isaiah 446 John 5:46-47 Luke 2:11 John 6:35 Luke 5:20 John 6:64-65 Luke 18:19 John 8:12 Luke 24:51-52 John 8:18-19 Luke 8:39 John 8:24 Micah 5:1 John 8:28-29 Revelation 1:17 John 8:58 Matthew 1:22-23 John 9:38 Matthew 2:11 John 10:7-9 Matthew 4:6-7 John 10:11-15 Matthew 4:11 John 10:17-21 Matthew 5:21-22 John 10:28-39 Matthew 5:27-28 John 12:44-50 Matthew 5:31-32 John 13:13 Matthew 8:2 John 13:19-20 Matthew 8:27 John 14:6-14 John 15:5 Matthew 10:1 John 15:23 Matthew 10:40 John 16:23 Matthew 11:27 John 17:1-5 Matthew 14:33 John 17:24 Matthew 15:25 John 18:5 Matthew 28:8 John 20:28-29 Matthew 28:18-20 John 21:17 Mark 2:5-11 Acts 3:15 Mark 14:61-64 Acts 7:59-60 Acts 20:28 Romans 9:5 1 Corinthians 8:6 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 2 Corinthians 4:4-6 Ephesians 3:9-10 Philippians 2:5-11 Philippians 3:20-21 Colossians 1:15-19 Colossians 2:9-10 1 Timothy 3:16 1 Timothy 3:13-16 Titus 2:13 Hebrew's 1:1-14 Hebrews 13:8 1 Peter 4:19 2 Peter 18:1-2 1 John 5:20 Revelation 1:8 Revelation 1:17-18 Revelation 2:8 Revelation 17:14 Revelation 21:6-7 Revelation 22:13 Isaiah 7:14 John 1:1-14 Isaiah 9:5-6 John 1:18 Isaiah 35:4 John 2:25 Isaiah 43:10-11 Luke 2:11 John 3:35-36 Isaiah 44:6 John 5:17-30 Revelation 1:17 John 5:46-47 Micah 5:1 John 6:35 Matthew 1:22-23 John 6:64-65 Matthew 2:1-2 John 8:12 Matthew 2:11 John 8:18-19 Matthew 4:6-7 John 8:24 Matthew 4:11 John 8:28-29 Matthew 5:21-22 John 8:58 Matthew 5:27-28 John 9:38 Matthew 5:31-32 John 10:7-9 Matthew 8:2 John 10:11-15 Matthew 8:27 John 10:17-21 Matthew 10:1 John 10:28-39 Matthew 10:40 John 12:44-50 Matthew 11:27 John 13:13 Matthew 14:33 Matthew 15:25 Matthew 28:8 John 15:5 Matthew 28:18-20 Mark 2:5-11



I am the way the truth and the light.” “ the father and I are one” “ I am the alpha and the omega. The first and the last. The beginning and end” “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry. Who ever believes in me will never be thirsty”.



The Muslims say oh but in the bible Jesus never says the EXact qords I am god qorship me. He doesn’t need to say your exact qords to fit your requirements to be God. He makes it knoqn and obvious that he is GOD in the flesh many times as do the authors in the NT and OT. To refute this is being intellectually dishonest.





) The New Testament uses the Greek word for ‘God’ (theos or θεός) to describe Jesus (John 1:1 Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:8 , 2 Peter 1:1

‘Lord’ (kurios or κύριος) is used to describe Jesus. This is the same word the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint) translated the formal name for God (yhwh, יְהוָֹה). This indicates the New Testament authors believed Jesus was God from the Old Testament (Matthew 3:3(if available), Luke 1:43Open in),


3.) Jesus called himself the “Son of man” 84 times in the four gospels – see Matthew 16:13. This was a Messianic title given in Daniel the Prophet (Daniel 7:13-14


4.) Jesus is the creator of the world which is something only God could do (John 1:3)


5.) The disciples believed he knew everything, an attribute of God (John 16:30)



) John 10:30 me and the father are one

7.) Jesus says I am the alpha the omega the beginning and end (eternal nature in rev 22:13)

8.) he said he can forgive sins and only God can do this (matt 9:11-8)



) (Matt 25: 31-46) he judges people during judgment day



10.) he said baptize in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit (Matt 28:19)



) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (John 1)





11.) (Genesis 1:26-28) says let "US" make man in "OUR" image. This is referring to the father the son and holy spirit and not the angels as GOD doesn't need to consult his creation.





12.) (John 5:23) so that all may honor the son just as they honor the father

(John: 5:26) Just as the father has life in himself, so also he gave to his son the possession of life in himself.



13.) (Matt 11:27): no one knows the son except the father and no one knows the father except the son.



14.) (John: 10:30-33) I and the father are one.



15.) (Mark 14: 61-62): Are you the Christ the son of the blessed one: I AM, and you'll see the son of man sitting at the right hand of the mighty one and coming on the clouds of heaven. (son of man in Daniel's prophecy (Daniel 7:13-14). Claiming to be the pre existing Sovreign of the universe and foretelling that he would prove his claim by judging the very court that was condemning him.





16.) (John 10:11) I am the good shepard. This is a title that's assigned to God in the OT( Psalm 23:1)





17.) (John 5:27) Jesus claims to be the judge of all people a task only God performs Joel 3:12.



18.) He called himself the bridegroom in Mattheq 25:1 a role God had qith Israel (Isaih 6:5)



19.) He forgave sins (Mark 2:5) but only God can forgive sins (Psalm 103:8-12).



20.) He states to have equal authority with God (Matt 28:18)



21.) He encouraged prayer in his name John (14:13-14)



22.)He states you can heal the sick and cast out demons in his name (Mark 16:17 -19)



23.) He offers salvation if you believe in ihm (John 3:18)



24.) Authors referring to Jesus as GOD ( Rev 1:17, Deut 33:27).



25.) Authors refer to Jesus as creator of all things ( John 1:3, 1 Peter 4:19)



26.) Authors claim he's Omnipresent: (28:20)



) accepts and receives worship from people and Angels ( matt 14:33, Rev 7:11) Even though the bible clearly says to only worship the one true God Exodus 20:1-5, Deut 5:6-9)



) GOD calls Jesus Yah Allah in Arabic bible:

as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. “I pray for them.



















































Arguments the satanic death cultists in Muslims make to lie to themselves and say Jesus can’t be GOD.



ARGUMENT 1 The main scripture the athiests, anti-thiests, satanists and musilmims (plagerized and bastardized version of judaism) to use as their form of flaqed proof and do not understand the context is

Matthew 24:36-44 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.




Given the context the apostles have come to christ and they asked him

about the buildings of jerusalem. He has just left the temple (matthew 23)

speaks of jesus just leaving the temple and so they're on the mount of

olives they're looking at the temple mount and the buildings in

jerusalem and they draw his attention to them and they say you know lord look at all these beautiful buildings and so forth. Jesus said i tell you the truth not one stone here will be left on top of another and that leads them to ask when's all this going to happen and when what's going to be the end of the age. So in the context of that Jesus says with some variation in the different accounts depending on what the emphasis was of the gospel writer but they say you know jesus says no man knows the day or the hour not the angels in heaven nor the son but the father only.



now there are several things to be observed here in the first place this isn't islam no matter how you interpret it. Jesus here categorically distinguishes himself from Men and angels and he ranks himself above them. no man knows not the not the men not angels and then he says not even the son but how do we account for him saying he doesn't know the day or the hour if in fact he is the son and here we have to remember what it means to call him the son of god it's not being used in a biological sense the bible repudiates that as clearly as the quran does you know Muhammad apparently thinks that jews and Christians believe that Jesus is a product of biological procreation or sexual relations uh but but the bible uh certainly doesn't teach that christians don't believe that christ was conceived in his mother's womb by the power of the holy spirit according to predictive prophecy as well as according to its fulfillment in matthew 1in in luke 1 and so forth



So when the new testament speaks of jesus as son of god it clearly means it in a divine sense in john 5:17-18 for example jesus calls the father calls god his father and claims to be doing what the father does namely works of providence, sustaining the world, working miracles and so forth and

this leads the Edomites to want to kill him because in calling god his own father. Tt says he was making himself equal with god and so the claim of sonship on the part of Jesus was a claim of equality. So how can Jesus who identifies himself as the son and identifies god as father which is abominated in islam, say that he doesn't know the day or the hour well?



Here’s what's important to remember is that Jesus originally spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Aramaic would have been the common language of discourse among the Israelites. Hebrew would have been the scholarly language what they would have used in synagogue and so forth Jesus obviously knew Hebrew he stood up and read the scroll of isaiah in in the gospel of Luke for example and only uh somebody who could read in hebrew could do that,but in hebrew and Aramaic there is a form of a grammatical form known as a causative where when a person says uses the word knoq, it doesn't always have to refer to cognitive information or intellectual data. So for example this isn't an example of a causative but it's an example of the word no being used differently than simply intellectual knowledge in genesis 4 it says adam knew his wife eve and she conceived in borah's son clearly that doesn't mean that adam came to have intellectual knowledge of even as a result of that shebecame pregnant it's saying that he had an intimate relationship with her and that produced a child. Likewise in the book of amos god says of israel you only have i known among all the families of the earth. There it means that god loved them. He loved israel as his special people. So the word know can be used in various ways and i just gave one other example of that but when the causative form of that is used what it means is to make known.



now bringing that to jesus’ statement in matthew 24 when Jesus said no man

knows the day or the hour not the angels nor the son but the father only,

what he's saying is no one has the prerogative to make that day known.

Now contextually what Jesus is referring to is the coming his future coming to

receive his bride he even goes on to give a parable of 10 virgins. Remember that and of the bridegroom he's clearly talking about the coming of

the bridegroom for his bride or of the groom for his bride and

in that context he says nobody has theright to make that day known



in Israelite culture when it came time for a son to go and get his bride

the right belonged to the father to declare that day to the people.

The son couldn't tell people when that day was and so all Jesus is doing in matthew 24 is saying i am the son he is the father it's his prerogative as

the father to declare that day to men. That's why that passage doesn't refute

the spirit knowing the day or the hour because Jesus is talking about the

father's prerogative to declare the day which is the father's prerogative and

that's proven in acts 1 when the disciples said to Jesus are you

at this time going to restore the kingdom to israel and Jesus said it's not for you to know the times or seasons which the father has fixed by his own authority. He says you just be busy about the work that that god has given you so it's the father's prerogative to make that day known.



The classical way that people address that passage is to explain it in terms of Christ's two natures. I think that works in part because Christ obviously had a divine nature and a human nature and his human nature is really human he slept he wept he he died in his human nature it was a real human nature and so from that perspective he could grow and learn and so forth but i don't think that it's consistent with the context to make that the Interpretation given everything I stated and because that explanation wouldn't account for how the spirit is not included there because it's not talking about intellectual knowledge but declarative knowledge.



So, if you use proper context and understand how the word “know” has been used within the bible and using those definitions we can clearly see this passage doesn’t mean Jesus isn’t GOD. It’s simply a passage that Muslims take out of context prove their religious superiority and convert more fools form youtube videos.







ARGUMENT 2: Jesus curses the fig tree.



Jesus, in the Synoptic Gospels, went to a fig tree looking for food to eat (Matthew 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-14, 20-21). When he saw that there were no figs on the tree he cursed it. The problem with this story is that it wasn’t the season for figs according to Mark 11:13! If Jesus is God why didn’t he know that it wasn’t the season for figs? And why would he curse the tree when it wasn’t its fault that it wasn’t fig season?

Answer:

There is a very reasonable explanation why Jesus cursed the fig tree even though it wasn’t the season for figs. Even before the season, fig trees produce little knobs which are eaten by a passerby. As the late renowned NT scholar F.F. Bruce noted:

"The other miracle is the cursing of the barren fig tree (Mk. xi 12 ff.), a stumbling block to many. They feel that it is unlike Jesus, and so someone must have misunderstood what actually happened, or turned a spoken parable into an acted miracle, or something like that. Some, on the other hand, welcome the story because it shows that Jesus was human enough to get unreasonably annoyed on occasion. It appears, however, that a closer acquaintance with fig trees would have prevented such misunderstandings. ‘The time of the fig is not yet,’ says Mark, for it was just before Passover, about six weeks before the fully-formed fig appears. The fact that Mark adds these words shows that he knew what he was talking about. When the fig leaves appear about the end of March, they are accompanied by a crop of small knobs, called taqsh by the Arabs, a sort of fore-runner of the real figs. These taqsh are eaten by peasants and others when hungry. They drop off before the real fig is formed. But if the leaves appear unaccompanied by taqsh, there will be no figs that year. So it was evident to our Lord, when He turned aside to see if there were any of these taqsh on the fig-tree to assuage His hunger for the time being, that the absence of the taqsh meant that there would be no figs when the time of figs came. For all its fair foliage, it was a fruitless and a hopeless tree." (Bruce, Are The New Testament Documents Reliable? [Intervarsity Press; Downers Grove, Ill, fifth revised edition 1992], pp. 73-74; bold emphasis ours)

Another noted Evangelical scholar Craig S. Keener makes the following observation:

"At Passover season in late March or early April, fig trees are often in leaf on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives. At this time of year, such fig trees contained only green early figs (Arabs call them taqsh), which ripen around June but often drop off before that time, leaving only green leaves on the tree. A leafy tree lacking such early figs, however, would bear no figs at all that year," (Keener, A Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, July 1999], p. 504)

Thus, what was thought to be an example against the veracity of the NT ends up actually becoming a rather persuasive argument for its historical reliability! This exemplifies the minute accuracy of the Synoptic Gospels, both in time and place, i.e. this took place during the month of Passover, figs located on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives etc. It also provides evidence for an early dating of Matthew and Mark - or, at the very least, shows that they were dependent on very old and early material - well before the fall of Jerusalem. After all, the knowledge of these details would most likely have been lost or unknown to authors writing after the destruction of Jerusalem.

Moreover, the cursing of the fig tree is a played or acted out parable, one which warned the nation of Israel of impending judgment. In the words of Messianic scholar David Stern:

"… If Yeshua’s cursing and drying up the fig tree had been a petulant reaction to disappointment because he couldn't satisfy his hunger, it would be unworthy of anyone, let alone the Messiah. But Yeshua is making a point by means of prophetic drama, acted-out parable (possibly Lk 13:6-9). Tanakh examples include Yirmiyahu, who bought and broke a clay bottle (Jeremiah 19), and Yechezk'el, who made and then burned up a model of Jerusalem (Ezekiel 4-5); for a later New Testament instance see Ac 21:10-11.

Even out of season a fig tree in leaf - it must have been in leaf to be seen in the distance (v. 12) - holds forth the promise of fruit. The normal early season for figs in Israel is June, but the early unripe fruit (Song of Songs 2:13) begins to show itself even before the spring leaves appear on the branches, often before Passover.

We know that Yeshua expects God's people to put forth the fruit of righteousness, and that unproductive branches are thrown in the fire (Mt 7:16-20; 12:33; 13:4-9, 18-23; Yn 15:1-8). Thus, the drying-up of the fig tree is an acted-out warning. In keeping with Proverbs 27:18 (‘He who tends a fig tree will eat his fruit, and he who serves his master will be honored’) Yeshua here is teaching his followers what it means to serve their master, God: it means simply to have the kind of trust that comes from God (v. 22), and that they will wither away if they don’t. Yeshua neither acts from pique nor perform arbitrary miracles like a magician; every one of his supernatural acts has spiritual significance." (Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary [Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc., Clarksville Maryland, Fifth edition 1996], pp. 95-96; bold emphasis ours)

In fact, the OT often uses the fig tree as a symbol of national Israel:

"I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, AND THEIR LEAVES WILL WITHER. What I have given them will be taken from them.’" Jeremiah 8:13

"You may say, 'The LORD has raised up prophets for us in Babylon,' but this is what the LORD says about the king who sits on David's throne and all the people who remain in this city, your countrymen who did not go with you into exile- yes, this is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will send the sword, famine and plague against them and I will make them like poor figs that are so bad they cannot be eaten. I will pursue them with the sword, famine and plague and will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth and an object of cursing and horror, of scorn and reproach, among all the nations where I drive them. For they have not listened to my words,' declares the LORD, 'words that I sent to them again and again by my servants the prophets. And you exiles have not listened either,' declares the LORD." Jeremiah 29:15-19

"When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your fathers, IT WAS LIKE SEEING THE EARLY FRUIT ON THE FIG TREE. But when they came to Baal Peor, they consecrated themselves to that shameful idol and became as vile as the thing they loved... Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered, they yield no fruit. Even if they bear children, I will slay their cherished offspring." Hosea 9:10, 16

"What misery is mine! I am like one who gathers summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard; there is no cluster of grapes to eat, none of the early figs that I crave. The godly have been swept from the land; not one upright man remains. All men lie in wait to shed blood; each hunts his brother with a net. Both hands are skilled in doing evil; the ruler demands gifts, the judge accepts bribes, the powerful dictate what they desire- they all conspire together. The best of them is like a brier, the most upright worse than a thorn hedge. The day of your watchmen has come, the day God visits you. Now is the time of their confusion." Micah 7:1-4

"All your fortresses are like fig trees with their first ripe fruit; when they are shaken, the figs fall into the mouth of the eater." Nahum 3:12

The foregoing helps clarify why Jesus did what he did. Christ came searching for what the OT says Yahweh searches after, namely, an indication that Israel was a fruitful tree and not barren and dry. Yet instead of finding the early fig (cf. Hosea 9:10; Micah 7:1), which would have demonstrated that Israel was spiritually alive and capable of bearing the fruit which satisfies God, Christ found the nation spiritually dead and barren. In light of Israel’s spiritual barrenness, God would cut down his fig tree, his very own vine, and burn it:

"Then he told this parable: ‘A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, "For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?" "Sir," the man replied, "leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down."’" Luke 13:6-9

"He then began to speak to them in parables: 'A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed. He had one left to send, a son, whom he loved. He sent him last of all, saying, "They will respect my son." But the tenants said to one another, "This is the heir. Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours." So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard. What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.’" Mark 12:1-9

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’" Matthew 23:37-39

"As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, ‘If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace-but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you.’" Luke 19:41-44

This was the meaning behind Jesus’ cursing the fig tree, as a sign that God came looking for spiritual fruitfulness among his covenant people but saw none, and would therefore bring destruction upon them.

As it stands, there is no problem with Jesus cursing the fig tree, nor does this act undermine his absolute perfect Deity.

ARGUMENT 3: Why Does Jesus Say "The Father Is Greater Than I" In John 14:28?​

Muslims believe this passage means that Jesus can’t be God if he admits that the father is greater than him.





John 14:28





“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.



He says rejoice that I’m going to the father because the father is greater than I. He doesn’t mean the father is better than me because he has a deity and Jesus doesn’t. This Gospel introduces Yahshua as God the one who created all things and became flesh for our redemption. Let’s forget the prologue and assume John qill contradict himself 13 chapters later.



John 14:12-14 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believe on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.



This doesn’t mean greater works in terms of superior or better quality than the works than Jesus performed but the same works that he did but a greater number or quantity, not quality. The reason y they can do greater works than he is because he goes to the father.



So when Jesus goes to the father when you ask in my name and Jesus hears your prayers and I’ll be the one doing the works through you per your request.





John 14:23 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.





So Jesus claimed to be present personally and hears and answers all prayers of all true believers to the same extent and to the same degree that the father is with every true believer. This assumes that Jesus is omnipresent and omniscient to know who the true believers are and all powerful to answer all requests, no matter how many people are asking. To be omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and to hear all prayers makes you god. So he claims the attributes and functions of GOD but still not the father as he’s distinct from the father and one with him and the fathers ability and do the very things that he can do which are the only things GOD can do.



Therefore this isn’t a statement of the father being greater than Jesus in terms of the father being a deity and the son not having the deity as the deity is with him from the beginning to the end (alpha and omega). But greater in terms of status, because while Jesus remained on earth he remained on earth he’s in a state of humility as he’s assumed a status as a servant and says to them if you love me you’ll rejoice because as long as I remain here, the father will be greater in status but when I go to the father that will change.



John 17:5 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



So Jesus says glorify me in your presence, when I return to heaven, the glory you posses is the glory you’ll bestow on me in your presence. Secondly, that’s the glory I had already with you before the world was created. Jesus affirms 2 things in that he was there alongside the father before the creation of the world and he was there alongside the father in the same glory and that’s the glory he sat aside but will regain and that’s what he meant, if I remain I earth, the father’s greater in status because the father heavenly glory. When he goes to the father he’ll no longer be in this state of humility where sinners beat me to the point of death and nail me to the cross, I’ll be basking in the same glory of the father where all inhabitants in heaven will behold my glory and know I am the son of God Who's one with the father.



This passage proves that Islam is false and Muhammad is an anti-crhist. Because Jesus says the father and he’s the son who shares the same glory that the father possesses all of which Muhammad the false prophet denied because Muhammad said Allah isn’t the father and Jesus isn’t the son.



Another way to look at this is to ask the question is your boss greater than you? Yes by his authority. Are you greater than your dog in the eyes of your creator? Yes by nature. Then there are many ways one can be greater than. So to just take this scripture completely out of context is a failing Muslim tactic that we use to embarrass them and their false god.







ARGUMENT 4: ONLY GOD is good

Mark 10:18?​

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Again, the Muslims never use context ever. Once you go into the context you can debunk their lies and deceptions:



Mark:



SUMMARY:



There are probably hundreds of biblical passages in the bible where Jesus claims to be GOD in his actions or words, indirectly claims to be God, people or authors claim directly or indirectly that Jesus is God in their actions or words and he doesn’t need to use the specific vocabulary requirements of Muslims or any other people or group to demonstrate his deity as it’s done adequately throughout the bible. The statement the son doesn’t know the day or the hour and only the father does isn’t a claim of ignorance to know informational knowledge but declarative knowledge. Jesus saying the father is greater than I isn’t due to the father having deity and not the son but the father having status over Jesus while temporarily in human form as a self sacrifice for humanity as a servant.





































SUMMARY:



There are probably hundreds of biblical passages in the bible where Jesus claims to be GOD in his actions and or words, indirectly claims to be God, people or authors claim directly or indirectly that Jesus is God in their actions and or words and he doesn’t need to use the specific vocabulary requirements of Muslims or any other people or group to demonstrate his deity as it’s done adequately throughout the bible.Taking single scriptures out of context to promote your false satanic archaic death cult is not only intellectually dishonest but pure evil as is your God the devil.



The scripture on the son doesn’t know the day or the hour and only the father does isn’t a claim of ignorance to know intellectual knowledge but declarative knowledge. Jesus saying the father is greater than I isn’t due to the father having deity and not the son but the father having status over Jesus while temporarily in human form as a self sacrifice for humanity as a servant.





The scripture in Mark on only God is good (even though YAHSHUA calls himself GOD a billion times already before this, Jesus is speaking in a hypothetical scenario in hey how can you call me good and only god is good so follow me and get rid of all your things if you believe I am good and he walked away because he had many riches.



Muslims will say the scriptures have been corrupted but Muhammad says the Torah is the legit word of Allah and Allah says his words can’t be corrupted in the Koran. Muhammad had access to the same Torah we have now in the Septuagint and Codex from the 3rd and 4th century AD.

Jesus is King brother

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

The Anglican church calls it self neither protestant, neither catholic, so you using it is ridiculous

Who are you to say what we consider ourselves


What happened to you "much slower" cope

Beyond over for demon possessed polaks like you

Is the Anglican Church considered Protestant?


The Church of England Definition

The Church of England is a Protestant church that is also known as the Anglican Church. Protestantism is a branch of Christianity that formed in the early 16th century as a protest movement against Catholicism.
It's not just the Anglicans, there is enormous diversity within the family of Protestant churches, in theology and polity and worship.
Protestant churches consider themselves different denominations.
The Catholic Church, due to its hierarchical structures, is not said to be made up of denominations, rather, it is a single denomination that include kinds of regional councils and individual congregations and church bodies, which do not officially differ from one another in doctrine.
Keep rambling more about things you are clueless about.

 

[i_love_roosters]

Is the Anglican Church considered Protestant?


The Church of England Definition

The Church of England is a Protestant church that is also known as the Anglican Church. Protestantism is a branch of Christianity that formed in the early 16th century as a protest movement against Catholicism.
It's not just the Anglicans, there is enormous diversity within the family of Protestant churches, in theology and polity and worship.
Protestant churches consider themselves different denominations.
The Catholic Church, due to its hierarchical structures, is not said to be made up of denominations, rather, it is a single denomination that include kinds of regional councils and individual congregations and church bodies, which do not officially differ from one another in doctrine.
Keep rambling more about things you are clueless about.

Doesn't matter, this is a pointless argument. The reason we're fighting is not even in the original source because you lied like a little dumb rat and I was a bit distracted and didn't notice it until today

Denominations cope - destroyed
"Much slower" cope - destroyed

What's next???

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Doesn't matter, this is a pointless argument. The reason we're fighting is not even in the original source because you lied like a little dumb rat

Of coarse it matters retard, you can't argue religion when you don't even know protestants have denominations and catholics don't.
That's like the basics of the basics and you don't even know that.
There isn't much of discussion here, it's like I am talking to the literal brick.

 

[i_love_roosters]

Of coarse it matters retard, you can't argue religion when you don't even know protestants have denominations and catholics don't.
That's like the basics of the basics and you don't even know that.
There isn't much of discussion here, it's like I am talking to the literal brick.

It doesn't matter because my point is completely different - protestantism is the fastest growing by conversion which is what matters.

You know that but you faked evidence to add denominations. Nothing matters after that because your lie started the argument . God will punish you for the sin of lying without a shame

You had to lie and distort to different your cult, I was guided by the Holy Spirit, were not the same

Denominations cope - destroyed
"Much slower" cope - destroyed

What's next, I'm asking again?

We're 3-0 so far, you rat

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

It doesn't matter because my point is completely different - protestantism is the fastest growing by conversion which is what matters.

You know that but you faked evidence to add denominations. Nothing matters after that because your lie started the argument . God will punish you for the sin of lying without a shame

You had to lie to different your cult, I was guided by the Holy Spirit, were not the same

It matters very much because it shows you are clueless in the subject and don't even know protestantism has denominations.
You aren't qualified to discuss because your knowlege on the subject is next to zero-no wonder you lost the discussion.
Just like peno-retards are not qualified to understand scripture. Therefore there needs to be some religious authority to guide people.
Peno-retards don' understand this, that's why they are subject of being ridiclued.

 

[i_love_roosters]

It matters very much because it shows you are clueless in the subject and don't even kow protestantism has denominations.
You aren't qualified to discuss because your knowlege on the subject is next to zero-no wonder you lost the discussion.

I have a lot more knowledge that you. I destroyed all your copes. You're a filthy liar and a deceiver. You're trying to change the subject when that doesn't even matter. There's no denomination for your dying satanic catholicism. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing because I already shut you down on everything. Don't try and change the subject and address the fact that protestantism has 35 000 new converts everyday.

Denominations cope - destroyed
"Much slower" cope - destroyed

What's next, I'm asking again?

We're 3-0 so far, you rat

 

[i_love_roosters]

that's why they are subject of being ridiclued.

You're the one who's being ridiculed for lying which is a terrible sin. The Catholic Church is the one that's ridiculed for being a pedophile organization, meanwhile "peno-something" is saving souls while your church is making them pray to random popes who are burning in hell

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

I have a lot more knowledge that you. I destroyed all your copes. You're a filthy liar and a deceiver. You're trying to change the subject when that doesn't even matter. There's no denomination for your dying satanic catholicism. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing because I already shut you down on everything. Don't try and change the subject and address the fact that protestantism has 35 000 new converts everyday.

Denominations cope - destroyed
"Much slower" cope - destroyed

What's next, I'm asking again?

We're 3-0 so far, you rat

You have so much knowlege that you don't know that peno-retards have denominations and catholics don't. That pretty much disqualifies you from the discusssion about protestantism.
Islam has a very fast rate of conversion, according to you it is the right religion. Well your founding father also liked islam so no wonder.
First you coped that there was no alliance between protestants and ottomans, wich I destroyed.
Than you claimed that protestantism is growing faster than catholisicm, while simulteously stating prophecy that say in the end times the antichrist will rule the world and that he will only leave the false church. I gues he will only leave protestant "churches" according to you? Contradicting yoursef post after post.
Than I destroyed all other your copes, one by one.
You're the one who's acting like a retarded parrot repeating the same shit over and over again. I'm literally writing high iq refutations to your bs and all you're doing is repeating the same again and again. You can't express yourself properly if your life depended on it.

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

You're the one who's being ridiculed for lying which is a terrible sin. The Catholic Church is the one that's ridiculed for being a pedophile organization, meanwhile "peno-something" is saving souls while your church is making them pray to random popes who are burning in hell

Peno-cucks are a bunch of flat earthers nobody takes seriously and everybody ridiclues.
Even mainline protestants think they are retards.

 

[i_love_roosters]

your founding father

Not my founding father

First you coped that there was no alliance between protestants and ottomans, wich I destroyed.

One quote that's dissing Turks low-key. You call that a destruction?

Contradicting yoursef post after post.

I'm trying to disprove you trough various arguments. That doesn't mean I believe them. Non of this actually matters. The truth is that the Catholic church is corrupt and people should follow Jesus only. I'm just trying to show you how your arguments are wrong either way. You also did the same when you coped with "fastest growing in Africa"

antichrist will rule the world and that he will only leave the false church

That doesn't matter right? I thought your church will be the only one to be alive forever because "muhhh much slower". I thought we were dissapearing? (sarcasm)

retarded parrot

Copying me expressions, you're a fan I see

high iq refutations

Are you serious? You got caught doing low iq lies thinking I wouldn't notice. You're so easy to refute cuz you're a retarded demonic liar.

Peno-cucks are a bunch of flat earthers nobody takes seriously and everybody ridiclues.
Even mainline protestants think they are retards.

Cope. The Catholic Church used to burn people for saying the earth is not flat back in the middle age

 

[LevantinePsycho]

You do realize Christianity goes against this entire site's objective, right?

Under that fairy tale's rules, you would be eternally tortured for "fornicating" with your girlfriend, Christianity is a cancer just like Islam

 

[i_love_roosters]

You do realize Christianity goes against this entire site's objective, right?

Under that fairy tale's rules, you would be eternally tortured for "fornicating" with your girlfriend, Christianity is a cancer just like Islam

No

 

[ManletJordanBarrett]

Biblical proofs Jesus is GOD:

Isaiah 7:14 John 1:1-14 Isaiah 9:5-6 John 1:18 John 2:25 Isaiah 35:4 John 3:35-36 Isaiah 43:10-11 John 5:17-30 Isaiah 446 John 5:46-47 Luke 2:11 John 6:35 Luke 5:20 John 6:64-65 Luke 18:19 John 8:12 Luke 24:51-52 John 8:18-19 Luke 8:39 John 8:24 Micah 5:1 John 8:28-29 Revelation 1:17 John 8:58 Matthew 1:22-23 John 9:38 Matthew 2:11 John 10:7-9 Matthew 4:6-7 John 10:11-15 Matthew 4:11 John 10:17-21 Matthew 5:21-22 John 10:28-39 Matthew 5:27-28 John 12:44-50 Matthew 5:31-32 John 13:13 Matthew 8:2 John 13:19-20 Matthew 8:27 John 14:6-14 John 15:5 Matthew 10:1 John 15:23 Matthew 10:40 John 16:23 Matthew 11:27 John 17:1-5 Matthew 14:33 John 17:24 Matthew 15:25 John 18:5 Matthew 28:8 John 20:28-29 Matthew 28:18-20 John 21:17 Mark 2:5-11 Acts 3:15 Mark 14:61-64 Acts 7:59-60 Acts 20:28 Romans 9:5 1 Corinthians 8:6 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 2 Corinthians 4:4-6 Ephesians 3:9-10 Philippians 2:5-11 Philippians 3:20-21 Colossians 1:15-19 Colossians 2:9-10 1 Timothy 3:16 1 Timothy 3:13-16 Titus 2:13 Hebrew's 1:1-14 Hebrews 13:8 1 Peter 4:19 2 Peter 18:1-2 1 John 5:20 Revelation 1:8 Revelation 1:17-18 Revelation 2:8 Revelation 17:14 Revelation 21:6-7 Revelation 22:13 Isaiah 7:14 John 1:1-14 Isaiah 9:5-6 John 1:18 Isaiah 35:4 John 2:25 Isaiah 43:10-11 Luke 2:11 John 3:35-36 Isaiah 44:6 John 5:17-30 Revelation 1:17 John 5:46-47 Micah 5:1 John 6:35 Matthew 1:22-23 John 6:64-65 Matthew 2:1-2 John 8:12 Matthew 2:11 John 8:18-19 Matthew 4:6-7 John 8:24 Matthew 4:11 John 8:28-29 Matthew 5:21-22 John 8:58 Matthew 5:27-28 John 9:38 Matthew 5:31-32 John 10:7-9 Matthew 8:2 John 10:11-15 Matthew 8:27 John 10:17-21 Matthew 10:1 John 10:28-39 Matthew 10:40 John 12:44-50 Matthew 11:27 John 13:13 Matthew 14:33 Matthew 15:25 Matthew 28:8 John 15:5 Matthew 28:18-20 Mark 2:5-11



I am the way the truth and the light.” “ the father and I are one” “ I am the alpha and the omega. The first and the last. The beginning and end” “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry. Who ever believes in me will never be thirsty”.



The Muslims say oh but in the bible Jesus never says the EXact qords I am god qorship me. He doesn’t need to say your exact qords to fit your requirements to be God. He makes it knoqn and obvious that he is GOD in the flesh many times as do the authors in the NT and OT. To refute this is being intellectually dishonest.





) The New Testament uses the Greek word for ‘God’ (theos or θεός) to describe Jesus (John 1:1 Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:8 , 2 Peter 1:1

‘Lord’ (kurios or κύριος) is used to describe Jesus. This is the same word the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint) translated the formal name for God (yhwh, יְהוָֹה). This indicates the New Testament authors believed Jesus was God from the Old Testament (Matthew 3:3(if available), Luke 1:43Open in),


3.) Jesus called himself the “Son of man” 84 times in the four gospels – see Matthew 16:13. This was a Messianic title given in Daniel the Prophet (Daniel 7:13-14


4.) Jesus is the creator of the world which is something only God could do (John 1:3)


5.) The disciples believed he knew everything, an attribute of God (John 16:30)



) John 10:30 me and the father are one

7.) Jesus says I am the alpha the omega the beginning and end (eternal nature in rev 22:13)

8.) he said he can forgive sins and only God can do this (matt 9:11-8)



) (Matt 25: 31-46) he judges people during judgment day



10.) he said baptize in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit (Matt 28:19)



) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (John 1)





11.) (Genesis 1:26-28) says let "US" make man in "OUR" image. This is referring to the father the son and holy spirit and not the angels as GOD doesn't need to consult his creation.





12.) (John 5:23) so that all may honor the son just as they honor the father

(John: 5:26) Just as the father has life in himself, so also he gave to his son the possession of life in himself.



13.) (Matt 11:27): no one knows the son except the father and no one knows the father except the son.



14.) (John: 10:30-33) I and the father are one.



15.) (Mark 14: 61-62): Are you the Christ the son of the blessed one: I AM, and you'll see the son of man sitting at the right hand of the mighty one and coming on the clouds of heaven. (son of man in Daniel's prophecy (Daniel 7:13-14). Claiming to be the pre existing Sovreign of the universe and foretelling that he would prove his claim by judging the very court that was condemning him.





16.) (John 10:11) I am the good shepard. This is a title that's assigned to God in the OT( Psalm 23:1)





17.) (John 5:27) Jesus claims to be the judge of all people a task only God performs Joel 3:12.



18.) He called himself the bridegroom in Mattheq 25:1 a role God had qith Israel (Isaih 6:5)



19.) He forgave sins (Mark 2:5) but only God can forgive sins (Psalm 103:8-12).



20.) He states to have equal authority with God (Matt 28:18)



21.) He encouraged prayer in his name John (14:13-14)



22.)He states you can heal the sick and cast out demons in his name (Mark 16:17 -19)



23.) He offers salvation if you believe in ihm (John 3:18)



24.) Authors referring to Jesus as GOD ( Rev 1:17, Deut 33:27).



25.) Authors refer to Jesus as creator of all things ( John 1:3, 1 Peter 4:19)



26.) Authors claim he's Omnipresent: (28:20)



) accepts and receives worship from people and Angels ( matt 14:33, Rev 7:11) Even though the bible clearly says to only worship the one true God Exodus 20:1-5, Deut 5:6-9)



) GOD calls Jesus Yah Allah in Arabic bible:

as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. “I pray for them.



















































Arguments the satanic death cultists in Muslims make to lie to themselves and say Jesus can’t be GOD.



ARGUMENT 1 The main scripture the athiests, anti-thiests, satanists and musilmims (plagerized and bastardized version of judaism) to use as their form of flaqed proof and do not understand the context is

Matthew 24:36-44 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.




Given the context the apostles have come to christ and they asked him

about the buildings of jerusalem. He has just left the temple (matthew 23)

speaks of jesus just leaving the temple and so they're on the mount of

olives they're looking at the temple mount and the buildings in

jerusalem and they draw his attention to them and they say you know lord look at all these beautiful buildings and so forth. Jesus said i tell you the truth not one stone here will be left on top of another and that leads them to ask when's all this going to happen and when what's going to be the end of the age. So in the context of that Jesus says with some variation in the different accounts depending on what the emphasis was of the gospel writer but they say you know jesus says no man knows the day or the hour not the angels in heaven nor the son but the father only.



now there are several things to be observed here in the first place this isn't islam no matter how you interpret it. Jesus here categorically distinguishes himself from Men and angels and he ranks himself above them. no man knows not the not the men not angels and then he says not even the son but how do we account for him saying he doesn't know the day or the hour if in fact he is the son and here we have to remember what it means to call him the son of god it's not being used in a biological sense the bible repudiates that as clearly as the quran does you know Muhammad apparently thinks that jews and Christians believe that Jesus is a product of biological procreation or sexual relations uh but but the bible uh certainly doesn't teach that christians don't believe that christ was conceived in his mother's womb by the power of the holy spirit according to predictive prophecy as well as according to its fulfillment in matthew 1in in luke 1 and so forth



So when the new testament speaks of jesus as son of god it clearly means it in a divine sense in john 5:17-18 for example jesus calls the father calls god his father and claims to be doing what the father does namely works of providence, sustaining the world, working miracles and so forth and

this leads the Edomites to want to kill him because in calling god his own father. Tt says he was making himself equal with god and so the claim of sonship on the part of Jesus was a claim of equality. So how can Jesus who identifies himself as the son and identifies god as father which is abominated in islam, say that he doesn't know the day or the hour well?



Here’s what's important to remember is that Jesus originally spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Aramaic would have been the common language of discourse among the Israelites. Hebrew would have been the scholarly language what they would have used in synagogue and so forth Jesus obviously knew Hebrew he stood up and read the scroll of isaiah in in the gospel of Luke for example and only uh somebody who could read in hebrew could do that,but in hebrew and Aramaic there is a form of a grammatical form known as a causative where when a person says uses the word knoq, it doesn't always have to refer to cognitive information or intellectual data. So for example this isn't an example of a causative but it's an example of the word no being used differently than simply intellectual knowledge in genesis 4 it says adam knew his wife eve and she conceived in borah's son clearly that doesn't mean that adam came to have intellectual knowledge of even as a result of that shebecame pregnant it's saying that he had an intimate relationship with her and that produced a child. Likewise in the book of amos god says of israel you only have i known among all the families of the earth. There it means that god loved them. He loved israel as his special people. So the word know can be used in various ways and i just gave one other example of that but when the causative form of that is used what it means is to make known.



now bringing that to jesus’ statement in matthew 24 when Jesus said no man

knows the day or the hour not the angels nor the son but the father only,

what he's saying is no one has the prerogative to make that day known.

Now contextually what Jesus is referring to is the coming his future coming to

receive his bride he even goes on to give a parable of 10 virgins. Remember that and of the bridegroom he's clearly talking about the coming of

the bridegroom for his bride or of the groom for his bride and

in that context he says nobody has theright to make that day known



in Israelite culture when it came time for a son to go and get his bride

the right belonged to the father to declare that day to the people.

The son couldn't tell people when that day was and so all Jesus is doing in matthew 24 is saying i am the son he is the father it's his prerogative as

the father to declare that day to men. That's why that passage doesn't refute

the spirit knowing the day or the hour because Jesus is talking about the

father's prerogative to declare the day which is the father's prerogative and

that's proven in acts 1 when the disciples said to Jesus are you

at this time going to restore the kingdom to israel and Jesus said it's not for you to know the times or seasons which the father has fixed by his own authority. He says you just be busy about the work that that god has given you so it's the father's prerogative to make that day known.



The classical way that people address that passage is to explain it in terms of Christ's two natures. I think that works in part because Christ obviously had a divine nature and a human nature and his human nature is really human he slept he wept he he died in his human nature it was a real human nature and so from that perspective he could grow and learn and so forth but i don't think that it's consistent with the context to make that the Interpretation given everything I stated and because that explanation wouldn't account for how the spirit is not included there because it's not talking about intellectual knowledge but declarative knowledge.



So, if you use proper context and understand how the word “know” has been used within the bible and using those definitions we can clearly see this passage doesn’t mean Jesus isn’t GOD. It’s simply a passage that Muslims take out of context prove their religious superiority and convert more fools form youtube videos.







ARGUMENT 2: Jesus curses the fig tree.



Jesus, in the Synoptic Gospels, went to a fig tree looking for food to eat (Matthew 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-14, 20-21). When he saw that there were no figs on the tree he cursed it. The problem with this story is that it wasn’t the season for figs according to Mark 11:13! If Jesus is God why didn’t he know that it wasn’t the season for figs? And why would he curse the tree when it wasn’t its fault that it wasn’t fig season?

Answer:

There is a very reasonable explanation why Jesus cursed the fig tree even though it wasn’t the season for figs. Even before the season, fig trees produce little knobs which are eaten by a passerby. As the late renowned NT scholar F.F. Bruce noted:

"The other miracle is the cursing of the barren fig tree (Mk. xi 12 ff.), a stumbling block to many. They feel that it is unlike Jesus, and so someone must have misunderstood what actually happened, or turned a spoken parable into an acted miracle, or something like that. Some, on the other hand, welcome the story because it shows that Jesus was human enough to get unreasonably annoyed on occasion. It appears, however, that a closer acquaintance with fig trees would have prevented such misunderstandings. ‘The time of the fig is not yet,’ says Mark, for it was just before Passover, about six weeks before the fully-formed fig appears. The fact that Mark adds these words shows that he knew what he was talking about. When the fig leaves appear about the end of March, they are accompanied by a crop of small knobs, called taqsh by the Arabs, a sort of fore-runner of the real figs. These taqsh are eaten by peasants and others when hungry. They drop off before the real fig is formed. But if the leaves appear unaccompanied by taqsh, there will be no figs that year. So it was evident to our Lord, when He turned aside to see if there were any of these taqsh on the fig-tree to assuage His hunger for the time being, that the absence of the taqsh meant that there would be no figs when the time of figs came. For all its fair foliage, it was a fruitless and a hopeless tree." (Bruce, Are The New Testament Documents Reliable? [Intervarsity Press; Downers Grove, Ill, fifth revised edition 1992], pp. 73-74; bold emphasis ours)

Another noted Evangelical scholar Craig S. Keener makes the following observation:

"At Passover season in late March or early April, fig trees are often in leaf on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives. At this time of year, such fig trees contained only green early figs (Arabs call them taqsh), which ripen around June but often drop off before that time, leaving only green leaves on the tree. A leafy tree lacking such early figs, however, would bear no figs at all that year," (Keener, A Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, July 1999], p. 504)

Thus, what was thought to be an example against the veracity of the NT ends up actually becoming a rather persuasive argument for its historical reliability! This exemplifies the minute accuracy of the Synoptic Gospels, both in time and place, i.e. this took place during the month of Passover, figs located on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives etc. It also provides evidence for an early dating of Matthew and Mark - or, at the very least, shows that they were dependent on very old and early material - well before the fall of Jerusalem. After all, the knowledge of these details would most likely have been lost or unknown to authors writing after the destruction of Jerusalem.

Moreover, the cursing of the fig tree is a played or acted out parable, one which warned the nation of Israel of impending judgment. In the words of Messianic scholar David Stern:

"… If Yeshua’s cursing and drying up the fig tree had been a petulant reaction to disappointment because he couldn't satisfy his hunger, it would be unworthy of anyone, let alone the Messiah. But Yeshua is making a point by means of prophetic drama, acted-out parable (possibly Lk 13:6-9). Tanakh examples include Yirmiyahu, who bought and broke a clay bottle (Jeremiah 19), and Yechezk'el, who made and then burned up a model of Jerusalem (Ezekiel 4-5); for a later New Testament instance see Ac 21:10-11.

Even out of season a fig tree in leaf - it must have been in leaf to be seen in the distance (v. 12) - holds forth the promise of fruit. The normal early season for figs in Israel is June, but the early unripe fruit (Song of Songs 2:13) begins to show itself even before the spring leaves appear on the branches, often before Passover.

We know that Yeshua expects God's people to put forth the fruit of righteousness, and that unproductive branches are thrown in the fire (Mt 7:16-20; 12:33; 13:4-9, 18-23; Yn 15:1-8). Thus, the drying-up of the fig tree is an acted-out warning. In keeping with Proverbs 27:18 (‘He who tends a fig tree will eat his fruit, and he who serves his master will be honored’) Yeshua here is teaching his followers what it means to serve their master, God: it means simply to have the kind of trust that comes from God (v. 22), and that they will wither away if they don’t. Yeshua neither acts from pique nor perform arbitrary miracles like a magician; every one of his supernatural acts has spiritual significance." (Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary [Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc., Clarksville Maryland, Fifth edition 1996], pp. 95-96; bold emphasis ours)

In fact, the OT often uses the fig tree as a symbol of national Israel:

"I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, AND THEIR LEAVES WILL WITHER. What I have given them will be taken from them.’" Jeremiah 8:13

"You may say, 'The LORD has raised up prophets for us in Babylon,' but this is what the LORD says about the king who sits on David's throne and all the people who remain in this city, your countrymen who did not go with you into exile- yes, this is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will send the sword, famine and plague against them and I will make them like poor figs that are so bad they cannot be eaten. I will pursue them with the sword, famine and plague and will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth and an object of cursing and horror, of scorn and reproach, among all the nations where I drive them. For they have not listened to my words,' declares the LORD, 'words that I sent to them again and again by my servants the prophets. And you exiles have not listened either,' declares the LORD." Jeremiah 29:15-19

"When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your fathers, IT WAS LIKE SEEING THE EARLY FRUIT ON THE FIG TREE. But when they came to Baal Peor, they consecrated themselves to that shameful idol and became as vile as the thing they loved... Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered, they yield no fruit. Even if they bear children, I will slay their cherished offspring." Hosea 9:10, 16

"What misery is mine! I am like one who gathers summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard; there is no cluster of grapes to eat, none of the early figs that I crave. The godly have been swept from the land; not one upright man remains. All men lie in wait to shed blood; each hunts his brother with a net. Both hands are skilled in doing evil; the ruler demands gifts, the judge accepts bribes, the powerful dictate what they desire- they all conspire together. The best of them is like a brier, the most upright worse than a thorn hedge. The day of your watchmen has come, the day God visits you. Now is the time of their confusion." Micah 7:1-4

"All your fortresses are like fig trees with their first ripe fruit; when they are shaken, the figs fall into the mouth of the eater." Nahum 3:12

The foregoing helps clarify why Jesus did what he did. Christ came searching for what the OT says Yahweh searches after, namely, an indication that Israel was a fruitful tree and not barren and dry. Yet instead of finding the early fig (cf. Hosea 9:10; Micah 7:1), which would have demonstrated that Israel was spiritually alive and capable of bearing the fruit which satisfies God, Christ found the nation spiritually dead and barren. In light of Israel’s spiritual barrenness, God would cut down his fig tree, his very own vine, and burn it:

"Then he told this parable: ‘A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, "For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?" "Sir," the man replied, "leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down."’" Luke 13:6-9

"He then began to speak to them in parables: 'A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed. He had one left to send, a son, whom he loved. He sent him last of all, saying, "They will respect my son." But the tenants said to one another, "This is the heir. Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours." So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard. What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.’" Mark 12:1-9

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’" Matthew 23:37-39

"As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, ‘If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace-but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you.’" Luke 19:41-44

This was the meaning behind Jesus’ cursing the fig tree, as a sign that God came looking for spiritual fruitfulness among his covenant people but saw none, and would therefore bring destruction upon them.

As it stands, there is no problem with Jesus cursing the fig tree, nor does this act undermine his absolute perfect Deity.

ARGUMENT 3: Why Does Jesus Say "The Father Is Greater Than I" In John 14:28?​

Muslims believe this passage means that Jesus can’t be God if he admits that the father is greater than him.





John 14:28





“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.



He says rejoice that I’m going to the father because the father is greater than I. He doesn’t mean the father is better than me because he has a deity and Jesus doesn’t. This Gospel introduces Yahshua as God the one who created all things and became flesh for our redemption. Let’s forget the prologue and assume John qill contradict himself 13 chapters later.



John 14:12-14 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believe on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.



This doesn’t mean greater works in terms of superior or better quality than the works than Jesus performed but the same works that he did but a greater number or quantity, not quality. The reason y they can do greater works than he is because he goes to the father.



So when Jesus goes to the father when you ask in my name and Jesus hears your prayers and I’ll be the one doing the works through you per your request.





John 14:23 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.





So Jesus claimed to be present personally and hears and answers all prayers of all true believers to the same extent and to the same degree that the father is with every true believer. This assumes that Jesus is omnipresent and omniscient to know who the true believers are and all powerful to answer all requests, no matter how many people are asking. To be omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and to hear all prayers makes you god. So he claims the attributes and functions of GOD but still not the father as he’s distinct from the father and one with him and the fathers ability and do the very things that he can do which are the only things GOD can do.



Therefore this isn’t a statement of the father being greater than Jesus in terms of the father being a deity and the son not having the deity as the deity is with him from the beginning to the end (alpha and omega). But greater in terms of status, because while Jesus remained on earth he remained on earth he’s in a state of humility as he’s assumed a status as a servant and says to them if you love me you’ll rejoice because as long as I remain here, the father will be greater in status but when I go to the father that will change.



John 17:5 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



So Jesus says glorify me in your presence, when I return to heaven, the glory you posses is the glory you’ll bestow on me in your presence. Secondly, that’s the glory I had already with you before the world was created. Jesus affirms 2 things in that he was there alongside the father before the creation of the world and he was there alongside the father in the same glory and that’s the glory he sat aside but will regain and that’s what he meant, if I remain I earth, the father’s greater in status because the father heavenly glory. When he goes to the father he’ll no longer be in this state of humility where sinners beat me to the point of death and nail me to the cross, I’ll be basking in the same glory of the father where all inhabitants in heaven will behold my glory and know I am the son of God Who's one with the father.



This passage proves that Islam is false and Muhammad is an anti-crhist. Because Jesus says the father and he’s the son who shares the same glory that the father possesses all of which Muhammad the false prophet denied because Muhammad said Allah isn’t the father and Jesus isn’t the son.



Another way to look at this is to ask the question is your boss greater than you? Yes by his authority. Are you greater than your dog in the eyes of your creator? Yes by nature. Then there are many ways one can be greater than. So to just take this scripture completely out of context is a failing Muslim tactic that we use to embarrass them and their false god.







ARGUMENT 4: ONLY GOD is good

Mark 10:18?​

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Again, the Muslims never use context ever. Once you go into the context you can debunk their lies and deceptions:



Mark:



SUMMARY:



There are probably hundreds of biblical passages in the bible where Jesus claims to be GOD in his actions or words, indirectly claims to be God, people or authors claim directly or indirectly that Jesus is God in their actions or words and he doesn’t need to use the specific vocabulary requirements of Muslims or any other people or group to demonstrate his deity as it’s done adequately throughout the bible. The statement the son doesn’t know the day or the hour and only the father does isn’t a claim of ignorance to know informational knowledge but declarative knowledge. Jesus saying the father is greater than I isn’t due to the father having deity and not the son but the father having status over Jesus while temporarily in human form as a self sacrifice for humanity as a servant.





































SUMMARY:



There are probably hundreds of biblical passages in the bible where Jesus claims to be GOD in his actions and or words, indirectly claims to be God, people or authors claim directly or indirectly that Jesus is God in their actions and or words and he doesn’t need to use the specific vocabulary requirements of Muslims or any other people or group to demonstrate his deity as it’s done adequately throughout the bible.Taking single scriptures out of context to promote your false satanic archaic death cult is not only intellectually dishonest but pure evil as is your God the devil.



The scripture on the son doesn’t know the day or the hour and only the father does isn’t a claim of ignorance to know intellectual knowledge but declarative knowledge. Jesus saying the father is greater than I isn’t due to the father having deity and not the son but the father having status over Jesus while temporarily in human form as a self sacrifice for humanity as a servant.





The scripture in Mark on only God is good (even though YAHSHUA calls himself GOD a billion times already before this, Jesus is speaking in a hypothetical scenario in hey how can you call me good and only god is good so follow me and get rid of all your things if you believe I am good and he walked away because he had many riches.



Muslims will say the scriptures have been corrupted but Muhammad says the Torah is the legit word of Allah and Allah says his words can’t be corrupted in the Koran. Muhammad had access to the same Torah we have now in the Septuagint and Codex from the 3rd and 4th century AD.

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[King Solomon]

As I proved in the scripture of John 14:28 sm father greater than the son


that the father is superior in status not essence because given the context of the same scriptures in just the chapter of John (I can use many other books but I stuck to the book of John), this scripture that the Muslims try to use to prove Christianity false actually proves their religion and prophet are false. Christ in the same book says he can knoq qho is praying, qhen qhere and qhy and can answer them which requires him to be omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent meaning he's the one true God and not a creature. In the same book of John he claims to be with every believer in the same sense and same degree as the father this shows that he is co equal qith the father in essence and nature which no mere creature can do.

Supportive Scriptures:

John 17:5
If he remains on earth the father remains in a higher level of authority and status than the son. However, when he returns to heaven to the father, he receives that glory that was his from the beginning that he temporarily humbled himself and set aside to come in the flesh to sacrifice himself for the sins of the Israelites. Status and glory not essence.


This scripture that the Muslims take out of context in John 14:28 in order to attempt to disprove the diety of Christ but this passage proves that ISLAM cannot be a revelation from the one true GOD. Jesus says he'll return to the father. According ot the Quran, Allah is the father of no one and not the father of Jesus Christ:

References:

1.) Ch 5 vs 18
2.)Ch 9 vs 3
3.) Ch6 vs 101
4.) Ch 19 vs 88-93
All say that Israelites and Christians are not the son of God and Jesus isn't the son of God and that God has no sons and that the highest relationship a person can have with Allah (false God of Muhammad) is a slave to master relationship. The God that Jesus proclaimed, the God that Jesus is returning to is his blessed father. Jesus is returning to God the father. Something Muhammad denied, therefore Muhammad cannot be a true prophet. On top of that I proved that the Quaran teaches that the Torah and the teachings of all the prophets of the Israelites including Jesus are considered the word of God. Therefore the fact that this Quaran teaches the Torah and Jesus is the truth and Jesus and the OT teach a different doctrine than the Quran (that also states the word of God cannot be changed) so therefore the Quran is false according to it's own scriptures.

The atheists come in here to debate on God's existence but that's for another post. This is simply proving ISLAM and Muhammad are false and Jesus is the son of God according to the scriptures.

 

[King Solomon]

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The sand people run as soon as they see the truth. Darkness hates the light.

 

[LevantinePsycho]

No

Wym no? Every strict Christian I talked to said this, one of them was so incel he turned to Christianity, the other was a foid

 

[Ultimate SUbhuman]

"Come get some" Cold asf

 

[King Solomon]

"Come get some" Cold asf

Apparently they didn't desire any. Jesus said whoever drinks from the water give them will never thirst again. This is why those without the one true GOD are constantly searching for more worldly things to satisfy their void (wealth, status, fame, sex, etc). People on here will say to get ripped, rich and slay but those are never going to fill your cup, and one taste of GOD's water and your thirst is quenched forever. This is why Jesus says go and sin no more, because this is only possible as a true believe filled with the holy spirit.

 

[gustn]

I like how you think you're debunking Islam when you don't shit about the religion and all you did was pull biblical verses

It’s because Muslims say that jesus didn’t claim to be god

 

[LowInhibMaxxer1488]

I like how you think you're debunking Islam when you don't shit about the religion and all you did was pull biblical verses

Disproves the claims of islam because islam claims things about the bible to verify itself which aren’t true which the bible proves

 

[King Solomon]

No Scripture for your recessed maxilla or lateral orbital rim retrusion

Matthew 19:26 - But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Luke 1:37 - For with God nothing shall be impossible.

John 14:13-14​

“And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.”

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

 

[jisko32]

no, he is not a God.
I'm the god and I can prove it.

 

[zkai]

It's over bhai

 

[King Solomon]

no, he is not a God.
I'm the god and I can prove it.

According to Lucifer to convince Eve to commit the initial sin to curse everybody.

 

[King Solomon]

It's over bhai

It was over before it even started.

 

[jisko32]

According to Lucifer to convince Eve to commit the initial sin to curse everybody.

I created the entire universe
I created the laws of physics
I created matter
I created life

 

[IndraBC]

however I do respect that you guys tend to be way more civil than sunnis

Way to prove you’re a retard.

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

Way to prove you’re a retard.

how

 

[IndraBC]

how

By saying Shias are more civil than Sunnis.

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

By saying Shias are more civil than Sunnis.

I'm Christian and from my standpoint they are.
the reason is that they don't follow the prophet as much as ali and mohammed was the one that allowed Muslims to do terrible things
because of that you see not many iranian or iraqi shias doing terrorist acts infact there was one dude from iran that defended Christian Churches from the isis when the ISIS was at its peak.

 

[IndraBC]

I'm Christian and from my standpoint they are.
the reason is that they don't follow the prophet as much as ali and mohammed was the one that allowed Muslims to do terrible things
because of that you see not many iranian or iraqi shias doing terrorist acts infact there was one dude from iran that defended Christian Churches from the isis when the ISIS was at its peak.

your standpoint has no basis or substantiation. you clearly dont know anything about the sunni-shia divide, stay out of this as its none of your business.

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

your standpoint has no basis or substantiation. you clearly dont know anything about the sunni-shia divide, stay out of this as its none of your business.

are you a butthurt muslim?

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

or autistic I don't know

 

[IndraBC]

are you a butthurt muslim?

butthurt about some low iq masihi who thinks shiism is about worshipping ali?

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

butthurt about some low iq masihi who thinks shiism is about worshipping ali?

It is how it is nigga some shias even say ya ali

 

[IndraBC]

It is how it is nigga some shias even say ya ali

I agree its stupid, but that isn't worship.

 

[maou]

Jesus is king I have zero doubt without him we are done

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

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[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Jesus is king I have zero doubt without him we are done

He’s the truth the light they way. The alpha the omega, the first the last, nobody goes through to the kingdom of heaven without him . Jesus is not only king, he’s emperor, he’s the Sovreign he’s the Lord, he’s the light.

Jesus is the greatest man.

had no servants, yet they called Him Master.


Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer.
He had no army, yet kings feared Him.
He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world.
He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord.
He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King.
He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him.
He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today!

 

[maou]

Jesus is king I have zero doubt without him we are done

He’s the truth the light they way. The alpha the omega, the first the last, nobody goes through to the kingdom of heaven without him . Jesus is not only king, he’s emperor, he’s the Sovreign he’s the Lord, he’s the light.

Jesus is the greatest man.

had no servants, yet they called Him Master.


Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today!

God bless you my Christian brother, in heaven we meet

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Jesus is king I have zero doubt without him we are done

God bless you my Christian brother, in heaven we meet

Christos Anestie brother