Discussion Why IMO the blackpill going “mainstream” won’t be a problem.

[Assymetry]

In clavs vid “My message to young men” he described how everyone is going to get bimax and full facial implants in 5 years. Does clav actually believe this? Or was he just ranting?

Seriously, I don’t even believe everyone will be fully softmaxxed in 5 years. The vast majority of guys will never hardmax. How many guys are taking out a loan or going to put all of their money from wageslaving all into hardmaxxing? Besides, you need a good base to hardmax.

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

I think he truly believes that but he's wrong

His reasoning isn't terrible tho, look at south korea, once this info becomes mainstream, alot of people would get surgeries like south korea where 50% of youth do some type of looksmax

 

[Assymetry]

I think he truly believes that but he's wrong

In that case, he is actually crazy. I have spoken to multiple people IRL about the BP now. They now some terms (like LTN, MTN, etc and maxilla, they know the cope methods). But they don’t have and org account and aren’t autistic enough to actually hardmax.

 

[Restitutor Orbis]

Clav's an idiot for thinking that more than 1% of the population will ever get serious cosmetic surgeries. Most normies still think plastic surgery is for rich old hags who try to hold on to their youth. Even self described looksmaxxers are very unlikely to get even a single procedure done

 

[dopium]

I think he truly believes that but he's wrong

His reasoning isn't terrible tho, look at south korea, once this info becomes mainstream, alot of people would get surgeries like south korea where 50% of youth do some type of looksmax

nah it’s bc Asia / south korea takes looks way harder than the west . an NT mtn born here w decent background wouldn’t need to ascend to have bearable quality of life

 

[Assymetry]

Clav's an idiot for thinking that more than 1% of the population will ever get serious cosmetic surgeries. Most normies still think plastic surgery is for rich old hags who try to hold on to their youth

Most people who hardmax have a relatively shitty base + don’t take facial harmony into account.

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

In that case, he is actually crazy. I have spoken to multiple people IRL about the BP now. They now some terms (like LTN, MTN, etc and maxilla, they know the cope methods). But they don’t have and org account and aren’t autistic enough to actually hardmax.

That’s because most mainstream creators don’t talk about it.
Back in 2018, almost no one was mewing, but once it went mainstream, everyone started doing it.

Right now, plastic surgery is seen as taboo or undesirable outside east asia. However, once it gains social acceptance and major YouTubers begin promoting easier procedures such as genioplasty, rhinoplasty, and fat grafting, it won’t be long before regular people start hardmaxxing.

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[Restitutor Orbis]

I think he truly believes that but he's wrong

His reasoning isn't terrible tho, look at south korea, once this info becomes mainstream, alot of people would get surgeries like south korea where 50% of youth do some type of looksmax

South Korea has this utilitarian hypercompetitive culture where they want you to work yourself to death and all women want millionaires. So they either become soulless salarymen and save up for rhino or they convert to some crazy amerishart religious sect. White normies are too bluepilled for this shit

 

[laworg]

In clavs vid “My message to young men” he described how everyone is going to get bimax and full facial implants in 5 years. Does clav actually believe this? Or was he just ranting?

Seriously, I don’t even believe everyone will be fully softmaxxed in 5 years. The vast majority of guys will never hardmax. How many guys are taking out a loan or going to put all of their money from wageslaving all into hardmaxxing? Besides, you need a good base to hardmax.

I mean the trend may stop same with every other wave of new users but it wont leave their mind but i doubt people want it that bad lol so no probably not

 

[Restitutor Orbis]

That’s because most mainstream creators don’t talk about it.
Back in 2018, almost no one was mewing, but once it went mainstream, everyone started doing it.

Right now, plastic surgery is seen as taboo or undesirable outside east asia. However, once it gains social acceptance and major YouTubers begin promoting easier procedures such as genioplasty, rhinoplasty, and fat grafting, it won’t be long before regular people start hardmaxxing.

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Yeah that culture shift could happen, but it will take like at least a decade or two to become somewhat normal to hardmaxx. I wouldn't tell anyone if I got a surgery tbh

 

[Assymetry]

Yeah that culture shift could happen, but it will take like at least a decade or two to become somewhat normal to hardmaxx. I wouldn't tell anyone if I got a surgery tbh

Getting surgery next year, I’ll tell people it was improving my diet, gua sha and mewing JFL, normies will eat that shit up so easily.

 

[flatcheck213]

nah it’s bc Asia / south korea takes looks way harder than the west . an NT mtn born here w decent background wouldn’t need to ascend to have bearable quality of life

I think he truly believes that but he's wrong

His reasoning isn't terrible tho, look at south korea, once this info becomes mainstream, alot of people would get surgeries like south korea where 50% of youth do some type of looksmax

you should also realize that its not like people in Korea are more bped/aware. It as a forced standard there, not awareness.

 

[Assymetry]

you should also realize that its not like people in Korea are more bped/aware. It as a forced standard there, not awareness.

The Beauty standard in Korea is just very different also.

 

[flatcheck213]

The Beauty standard in Korea is just very different also.

There's a difference between natural awareness and forced caring about beauty. For them being gl is like in the US having a lambo and wearing some fucking chain.

 

[dopium]

you should also realize that its not like people in Korea are more bped/aware. It as a forced standard there, not awareness.

exactly what i said

 

[flatcheck213]

exactly what i said

read this

There's a difference between natural awareness and forced caring about beauty. For them being gl is like in the US having a lambo and wearing some fucking chain.

 

[dopium]

read this

again exactly what i’m saying holy 77 iq

 

[Rothschild]

In clavs vid “My message to young men” he described how everyone is going to get bimax and full facial implants in 5 years. Does clav actually believe this? Or was he just ranting?

Seriously, I don’t even believe everyone will be fully softmaxxed in 5 years. The vast majority of guys will never hardmax. How many guys are taking out a loan or going to put all of their money from wageslaving all into hardmaxxing? Besides, you need a good base to hardmax.

hes 100% ranting and probably off some roids

but i get where hes coming from

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Yeah that culture shift could happen, but it will take like at least a decade or two to become somewhat normal to hardmaxx. I wouldn't tell anyone if I got a surgery tbh

That would have been the case in the pre-COVID era.
Nowadays, trends change at an unprecedented speed.

 

[Rothschild]

I think he truly believes that but he's wrong

His reasoning isn't terrible tho, look at south korea, once this info becomes mainstream, alot of people would get surgeries like south korea where 50% of youth do some type of looksmax

bp and org is already mainstream

 

[flatcheck213]

bp and org is already mainstream

the trend is mainstream
the true bp isnt

 

[Rothschild]

the trend is mainstream
the true bp isnt

right but normies are turning bp into something that it isnt

 

[flatcheck213]

right but normies are turning bp into something that it isnt

people are using peptides for no reason just because its cool now
a year ago none of them, even if they were aware and had an access would do it

 

[Rothschild]

people are using peptides for no reason just because its cool now
a year ago none of them, even if they were aware and had an access would do it

yeah 100% they dont even know if its real or just chinese boofs

 

[Assymetry]

bp and org is already mainstream

The normies I talk to never heard of RR and have never had their ears blessed by the FaceandLMS intro song.

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

the trend is mainstream
the true bp isnt

I hope it stays that way forever.
But then again, there's just too much profit in this shit.
People like Clav & others will make channels & spread this info among normies.
Unless we private this forum and start taking down the bp channels through fake strikes/mass reports, hacking, character assassination etc.

 

[Assymetry]

people are using peptides for no reason just because its cool now
a year ago none of them, even if they were aware and had an access would do it

See a lot of Dutch women in their 30’s promoting peptides now on TikTok

 

[flatcheck213]

yeah 100% they dont even know if its real or just chinese boofs

what we will have, will be a male version of instagram models from 2020 who got ton of surgeries to end up looking like shit

 

[Rothschild]

The normies I talk to never heard of RR and have never had their ears blessed by the FaceandLMS intro song.

search up bp on tiktok and youll see what i mean

normie bluepilled niggas at my skl say shit like ltn/b mtn/b htn/b and other shit

 

[Rothschild]

what we will have, will be a male version of instagram models from 2020 who got ton of surgeries to end up looking like shit

yeah i knew the peptide trend was just bullshit

 

[Assymetry]

search up bp on tiktok and youll see what i mean

normie bluepilled niggas at my skl say shit like ltn/b mtn/b htn/b and other shit

People in school don’t want to be outcasts so they hop on whatever is currently mainstream, few will ever be deep into this.

 

[flatcheck213]

I hope it stays that way forever.
But then again, there's just too much profit in this shit.
People like Clav & others will make channels & spread this info among normies.
Unless we private this forum and start taking down the bp channels through fake strikes/mass reports, hacking, character assassination etc.

Clav spreads BS
His surgery plan is utterly retarded, he had a plenty of time to ascend via other methods that are way easier but he didnt
And even on this forum, to search for a good methods you should rely on external info like independent studies, what breaks the point of forum being privated (normies wont spend their time on research anyway)

 

[Assymetry]

yeah i knew the peptide trend was just bullshit

They can help with skin and weightloss, but at the end of the day it’s about your bones anyways.

 

[Hexxon]

In clavs vid “My message to young men” he described how everyone is going to get bimax and full facial implants in 5 years. Does clav actually believe this? Or was he just ranting?

Seriously, I don’t even believe everyone will be fully softmaxxed in 5 years. The vast majority of guys will never hardmax. How many guys are taking out a loan or going to put all of their money from wageslaving all into hardmaxxing? Besides, you need a good base to hardmax.

for men looksmaxxing won't be too mainstream for a long time, most of my classes with men mock even doing skin care, which is extremely basic and like the lowest level of looksmaxxing

 

[Assymetry]

Clav spreads BS
His surgery plan is utterly retarded, he had a plenty of time to ascend via other methods that are way easier but he didnt
And even on this forum, to search for a good methods you should rely on external info like independent studies, what breaks the point of forum being privated (normies wont spend their time on research anyway)

Clav spreads BS
His surgery plan is utterly retarded, he had a plenty of time to ascend via other methods that are way easier but he didnt
And even on this forum, to search for a good methods you should rely on external info like independent studies, what breaks the point of forum being privated (normies wont spend their time on research anyway)

Gonions have far too much flare, and because the implants are titanium it won’t be easy to reverse If he decides he doesn’t like the flare after a year. It will look insanely artificial.

 

[Rothschild]

They can help with skin and weightloss, but at the end of the day it’s about your bones anyways.

yeah obv but u can do all that naturally

 

[Rothschild]

People in school don’t want to be outcasts so they hop on whatever is currently mainstream, few will ever be deep into this.

i mean its only like a selected few people that say it most people around me dont be saying allat

 

[Assymetry]

i mean its only like a selected few people that say it most people around me dont be saying allat

My sister has seen the edits, but sees it as a complete joke and doesn’t put any thought into it.

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Clav spreads BS
His surgery plan is utterly retarded, he had a plenty of time to ascend via other methods that are way easier but he didnt
And even on this forum, to search for a good methods you should rely on external info like independent studies, what breaks the point of forum being privated (normies wont spend their time on research anyway)

He promotes Accutane, steroids, and some other effective methods. He’s not great at actually implementing them, but Rorz and others have followed his lead. It’s only a matter of time before the quality of his and his competitors’ content improves.

Regular people don’t need to spend hours researching.
They’ll just buy these clav and face IQ surgery plans.

Besides, just as it’s common for Koreans to get canthoplasty and rhinoplasty for nasal bridge refinement, it will likely become typical for Caucasians to get peri-orbital fat grafting and maybe genioplasty or implants to mog.

Once Roids & GLP-1 antoganists are mainstream, most people will start using them , just like they gymcell.

 

[flatcheck213]

Gonions have far too much flare, and because the implants are titanium it won’t be easy to reverse

It's not even the worst design mistake
I feel like it will be the end of "mainstream bp"
and we will go back to scammers getting fillers and frauding ascending with peptides or any other shit that fits selling a course for

 

[Assymetry]

He promotes Accutane, steroids, and some other effective methods. He’s not great at actually implementing them, but Rorz and others have followed his lead. It’s only a matter of time before the quality of his and his competitors’ content improves.

Regular people don’t need to spend hours researching.
They’ll just buy these clav and face IQ surgery plans.

Besides, just as it’s common for Koreans to get canthoplasty and rhinoplasty for nasal bridge refinement, it will likely become typical for Caucasians to get peri-orbital fat grafting and maybe genioplasty or implants to mog.

Once Roids & GLP-1 antoganists are mainstream, most people will start using them , just like they gymcell.

How many people will actually get enough money to actually get implants, bimax, whatever tho?

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

How many people will actually get enough money to actually get implants, bimax, whatever tho?

Most people can afford that in western countries.
It can easily become a trend when you take in account the insecurity of teens.

 

[Assymetry]

Most people can afford that in western countries.
It can easily become a trend when you take in account the insecurity of teens.

I don’t believe most people in western countries have 20-30k to drop on surgeries or are even willing to do so.

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

I don’t believe most people in western countries have 20-30k to drop on surgeries or are even willing to do so.

Yea, that's enough to get the surgeries I mentioned.

 

[flatcheck213]

He promotes Accutane

fair

steroids

he does not promote them in an effective way

He’s not great at actually implementing them, but Rorz and others have followed his lead. It’s only a matter of time before the quality of his and his competitors’ content improves.

i have no idea who they are, but if they did then good for them

Regular people don’t need to spend hours researching.
They’ll just buy these clav and face IQ surgery plans.

less competition for us

Besides, just as it’s common for Koreans to get canthoplasty and rhinoplasty for nasal bridge refinement, it will likely become typical for Caucasians to get peri-orbital fat grafting and maybe genioplasty or implants to mog.

Koreans get it for a completely different reason then us
If you want to know what it realistically will look like in the future, look at the current brazil
they get shitty implants, that slightly improve their chin and that's all
at least in next 10 years we won't be even close to them

 

[Rothschild]

My sister has seen the edits, but sees it as a complete joke and doesn’t put any thought into it.

cuz it is a joke

those edits are retarded

they flash the bp and then make the same transition into a model/looksmaxxer and its always the same ones

only bp edits i like are the creative ones with animation

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

fair

he does not promote them in an effective way

I thought he did, him & others will do it soon anyways

i have no idea who they are, but if they did then good for them

59k subscribers
He introduced me to org
back then he used to promote mewing & supplements like the rest but now he's promoting roids & hardmaxxes.

less competition for us

more*

Koreans get it for a completely different reason then us
If you want to know what it realistically will look like in the future, look at the current brazil
they get shitty implants, that slightly improve their chin and that's all
at least in next 10 years we won't be even close to them

I am not aware of the situation in Brazil.
But Caucasians will definitely benefit form fat grafting in peri-orbital region.
The botch rate will drastically go down once normies learn about the ratio theory here.

 

[flatcheck213]

I thought he did, him & others will do it soon anyways

he did promote them but not in an effective way, anyone with half of a brain will know that his roid advice is shit

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faceiq single surgery plans turn out great
BUT
faceiq and clav whole ascension plans, including multiple surgeries, they usually talk about is utter garbage
it will decrease competition, not increase

The botch rate will drastically go down once normies learn about the ratio theory here.

Surgeons benefit from botches in smaller surgeries like eyelid surgeries, filler injection (they intentionally fill your submalar so you look like bonnie blue) and rhino SO YOU GET REVISION

Also I would say here, only about 5 people understand the "ratio theory" and have enough knowledge about certain surgery

Most takes that are mainstream on org are retarded and often arent backed up by anything

But Caucasians will definitely benefit form fat grafting in peri-orbital region.

They will, the question is, do you think at least 1% of men will do it?

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

he did promote them but not in an effective way, anyone with half of a brain will know that his roid advice is shit

It won't take too long for him & other to spread whatever @chadisbeingmade etc. promote to kids here.
Even if they don't roid perfectly, competetion will increase.
most gymcel kids try to roid nowdays, it will surely increase when someone claims you can avoid aging & acne.

faceiq single surgery plans turn out great
BUT
faceiq and clav whole ascension plans, including multiple surgeries, they usually talk about is utter garbage
it will decrease competition, not increase.

very few will get botched, all they need is some basic surgery advice, most won't risk it & invest financially trying to reach perfection.

Surgeons benefit from botches in smaller surgeries like eyelid surgeries, filler injection (they intentionally fill your submalar so you look like bonnie blue) and rhino SO YOU GET REVISION

Revisions for botched procedures are the surgeon’s responsibility.
They don’t get paid for fixing mistakes from their own surgeries.

Also I would say here, only about 5 people understand the "ratio theory" and have enough knowledge about certain surgery

The smart one's know
& will explain it to normies
for example, all you need is 3-4 measurements like facial convexity angle, forward growth/facial height ratio & E-Plane to determine whether you need genio or not.
Even if retards can't say for sure they would be tempted to ask people like face IQ.
Just popularize insecurity & win.

They will, the question is, do you think at least 1% of men will do it?

Gym is completely absurd if you think about it, but people still do it.
What makes you think they won't get surgeries?

 

[flatcheck213]

very few will get botched, all they need is some basic surgery advice, most won't risk it & invest financially trying to reach perfection.

its not only about botch
the brazilian kid who had even more invasive surgery with giant than clav will have, didn't ascend

Revisions for botched procedures are the surgeon’s responsibility.
They don’t get paid for fixing mistakes from their own surgeries.

depends what do you view as a botch, they will frame it as a small thing that should be corrected
if you go on forums or reddit you will see plenty of people who had surgeons sucking money out of them

The smart one's know
& will explain it to normies
for example, all you need is 3-4 measurements like facial convexity angle, forward growth/facial height ratio & E-Plane to determine whether you need genio or not.
Even if retards can't say for sure they would be tempted to ask people like face IQ.
Just popularize insecurity & win.

genio alone can't take you far
any non one dimensional movement can't be determined just by 3-4 measurements from a photo

Gym is completely absurd if you think about it, but people still do it.
What makes you think they won't get surgeries?

and do they get results they want?