1 month post sliding genioplasty, HELP

[artvandelay]

TLDR PLEASE if you cba reading allat just read red and pics and tell me if you would get an early revision

I got a sliding genio (H 10.4 mm & V 3.6 mm) + rhinoplasty done exactly 1 month ago

I’m making this thread because I feel like the SG made my chin noticeably asymmetrical/crooked. My surgeon said it’s the swelling that is asymmetrical and that it will look ok once it resolves. So i got a 2nd opinion from an asian OFMS and he, looking at my cone beam, explained how my surgeon did a very clean job, but that my chin was asymmetrical to begin with and by giving it more projection I might notice it more.

Fair enough, if I look at pre-op pictures now I can (kinda?) find the asymmetry if I look for it very closely. On the other hand, those pre-op pics are frauded because I compensated by moving my chin forward, which according to chatgpt is a good sign bc i was basically simulating a straight genio, but the asian ofms said it can still look different (i suppose because genio only moves chin and what i used to do was move everything forward as a unit). But now I feel like I’m legit deformed and it’s all I can think about 24/7 (i have taken over 200 photos of my chin in the past couple weeks). If it's temporary, then idgaf. But if my chin looks like this in 12 months I think it's over and ropemaxx material.

This is a critical period in time because the earlier you do a revision, the easier it is (bone hasn’t formed yet so he would basically just have to unscrew and rescrew). BTW does anyone have any idea why, if the chin was asymmetrical to begin with, a surgeon wouldn’t just make it symmetrical as part of the procedure? Shouldn’t it be a given, or do you really have to think about everything and leave nothing to chance when you’re hardmaxxing? I didn’t know I was asymmetrical so I never thought to say “hey btw make it symmetrical” SMFH. Frustrating too because he’s obviously very skilled as I had absolutely zero side effects from the moment I came to, shit pre-op I was so busy worrying and asking him about nerve damage this and fucked up smiles that and numbness and etc (fuck you reddit) that it never even crossed my mind to tell him oh yeah btw nigga also make it look good from the front lmao

I admit I do have body dysmorphia to a pretty severe degree so I’m really not sure if I’m overreacting or not.

Could some of you please tell me if my chin symmetry is cooked, and to what degree (i.e. would you in my position go through a revision?). Swelling resolution might improve things a little but the second OFMS said he didn’t find me particularly swollen. It was an autistic asian though so he couldn’t just be a normie and tell me hey it looks fine you’re overreacting or yeah get a revision you got cooked, just very matter-of-fact and neutral so it really didn’t help me make a decision. I’m getting a 3rd opinion next week, I wanted to get at least 5 different opinions but they’re all telling me go to your surgeon out of etiquette or something.

First, here is my before and after side profile, even if I don't think it's relevant to this thread.


NOTE that this before picture was strictly taken for the purpose of comparison, but that nobody has ever seen my profile be that subhuman IRL because I would fraud 24/7 by advancing my lower teeth by 50 miles. As far as I know, nobody around me ever noticed I had a weak chin (I'm so mentally ill I wouldn't even chew gum around people). btw I was doing that unconsciously since I was a kid/teenager, I only became conscious of it a few years ago and mainly got the surgery because I thought it'd be a relief to not have to force my lower teeth forward anymore. So for this reason, as of right now, I prefer pre-op + frauding (with new nose obv) over post-op + crookedness. So please don't use the side profile to say it was a good trade-off, I will never see it that way because I used to fraud beyond the level it's at now even.

Now here are some pre-op pictures of my chin from the front, where I don't notice the asymmetry, or if I look very hard for it it doesn't bother me.


and this is now post-op how my chin looks very crooked:


and this is if I stretch my skin / make faces, looks a bit better which I think is a positive sign that it might get better as swelling resolves (but I'm still very worried because the gook doctor said he didn't see a lot of swelling).


Also I think you can see that in some of my post-op pics my left cheek seems more hollow than the right, which I guess could be a good sign that the right side of my face as a whole is more swollen? And now that I think about it, my nose post-rhino is more swollen on my right side (the rhino surgeon told me he would improve the symmetry of the nose so I'm not worried about the nose tbh, just making an observation in relation to the chin, but idk maybe it's cope)


SO:
would YOU, 1 month PO, in my position, get on a plane right now and ask for a revision? NB The asymmetry was already there and I saw it myself on the CT scan, but I think it's a normal level of asymmetry which people don't notice and which is why I never noticed it before... my concern is that the advancement of the chin might make that asymmetry very obvious but I honestly dk if I'm overreacting or not. So, to be clear, I'm not worried that my surgeon created a new asymmetry, I'm worried that he made it obvious to everyone, and it blows my mind that correcting it was not part of his plan. According to the 2nd opinion OFMS, my surgeon did a perfectly straight and parallel advancement, so technically the bone symmetry was unchanged, but he said the advancement itself can change how it's perceived.

Positive signs / cope:

• 2nd OFMS confirmed my surgeon did a clean, straight advancement
• chatgpt says that when i used to fraud i was basically simulating a straight advancement
• looking at my old photos, where i frauded beyond the 10 mm advancement i got, there was no noticeable asymmetry (idk if the 3.6 mm vertical plays a role though)
• when i stretch my skin or make faces, it looks ok, maybe another sign that it’s mostly swelling?
• right side of my nose and of my face as a whole seem more swollen
• surgeon doesn’t seem like a total retard (over 50% of his practice is genio, he just spams them everyday and i had zero side effects from the moment i woke up) and since SG is a cosmetic procedure, seems unlikely that a skilled surgeon would just overlook a huge asymmetry from the front, right?
• when i brought it up to my surgeon he seemed very confident that it was just soft tissue swelling and that it would be like pre-op in the end… when asked if that type of oversight where i end up asymmetrical could happen to him, he basically replied “nigga please”

Negative signs / concerns:

• my cone beam ct shows that my chin was objectively asymmetrical and that asymmetry was not addressed at all as my surgeon just moved it forward and parallel
• i remember looking at that bone asymmetry in the scan and thinking, how the hell could that not be obvious to the human eye? apparently it can though since it was my pre-op…
• gook said he didn’t find me very swollen at 3 weeks PO, and he says that my frauding before might not be an accurate representation of my surgery result
• i don’t see any improvement in the last 2 weeks

 

[himooke]

dont know how i can help other than saying your chin is asymmetrical as FUCK

 

[smartstyle]

TLDR PLEASE if you cba reading allat just read red and pics and tell me if you would get an early revision

I got a sliding genio (H 10.4 mm & V 3.6 mm) + rhinoplasty done exactly 1 month ago

I’m making this thread because I feel like the SG made my chin noticeably asymmetrical/crooked. My surgeon said it’s the swelling that is asymmetrical and that it will look ok once it resolves. So i got a 2nd opinion from an asian OFMS and he, looking at my cone beam, explained how my surgeon did a very clean job, but that my chin was asymmetrical to begin with and by giving it more projection I might notice it more.

Fair enough, if I look at pre-op pictures now I can (kinda?) find the asymmetry if I look for it very closely. On the other hand, those pre-op pics are frauded because I compensated by moving my chin forward, which according to chatgpt is a good sign bc i was basically simulating a straight genio, but the asian ofms said it can still look different (i suppose because genio only moves chin and what i used to do was move everything forward as a unit). But now I feel like I’m legit deformed and it’s all I can think about 24/7 (i have taken over 200 photos of my chin in the past couple weeks). If it's temporary, then idgaf. But if my chin looks like this in 12 months I think it's over and ropemaxx material.

This is a critical period in time because the earlier you do a revision, the easier it is (bone hasn’t formed yet so he would basically just have to unscrew and rescrew). BTW does anyone have any idea why, if the chin was asymmetrical to begin with, a surgeon wouldn’t just make it symmetrical as part of the procedure? Shouldn’t it be a given, or do you really have to think about everything and leave nothing to chance when you’re hardmaxxing? I didn’t know I was asymmetrical so I never thought to say “hey btw make it symmetrical” SMFH. Frustrating too because he’s obviously very skilled as I had absolutely zero side effects from the moment I came to, shit pre-op I was so busy worrying and asking him about nerve damage this and fucked up smiles that and numbness and etc (fuck you reddit) that it never even crossed my mind to tell him oh yeah btw nigga also make it look good from the front lmao

I admit I do have body dysmorphia to a pretty severe degree so I’m really not sure if I’m overreacting or not.

Could some of you please tell me if my chin symmetry is cooked, and to what degree (i.e. would you in my position go through a revision?). Swelling resolution might improve things a little but the second OFMS said he didn’t find me particularly swollen. It was an autistic asian though so he couldn’t just be a normie and tell me hey it looks fine you’re overreacting or yeah get a revision you got cooked, just very matter-of-fact and neutral so it really didn’t help me make a decision. I’m getting a 3rd opinion next week, I wanted to get at least 5 different opinions but they’re all telling me go to your surgeon out of etiquette or something.

First, here is my before and after side profile, even if I don't think it's relevant to this thread.
View attachment 4195746View attachment 4195748

NOTE that this before picture was strictly taken for the purpose of comparison, but that nobody has ever seen my profile be that subhuman IRL because I would fraud 24/7 by advancing my lower teeth by 50 miles. As far as I know, nobody around me ever noticed I had a weak chin (I'm so mentally ill I wouldn't even chew gum around people). btw I was doing that unconsciously since I was a kid/teenager, I only became conscious of it a few years ago and mainly got the surgery because I thought it'd be a relief to not have to force my lower teeth forward anymore. So for this reason, as of right now, I prefer pre-op + frauding (with new nose obv) over post-op + crookedness. So please don't use the side profile to say it was a good trade-off, I will never see it that way because I used to fraud beyond the level it's at now even.

Now here are some pre-op pictures of my chin from the front, where I don't notice the asymmetry, or if I look very hard for it it doesn't bother me.
View attachment 4195767View attachment 4195770View attachment 4195765View attachment 4195766

and this is now post-op how my chin looks very crooked:
View attachment 4195798View attachment 4195800View attachment 4195795View attachment 4195796View attachment 4195799View attachment 4195797View attachment 4195794

and this is if I stretch my skin / make faces, looks a bit better which I think is a positive sign that it might get better as swelling resolves (but I'm still very worried because the gook doctor said he didn't see a lot of swelling).
View attachment 4195780View attachment 4195781View attachment 4195782View attachment 4195779

Also I think you can see that in some of my post-op pics my left cheek seems more hollow than the right, which I guess could be a good sign that the right side of my face as a whole is more swollen? And now that I think about it, my nose post-rhino is more swollen on my right side (the rhino surgeon told me he would improve the symmetry of the nose so I'm not worried about the nose tbh, just making an observation in relation to the chin, but idk maybe it's cope)


SO:
would YOU, 1 month PO, in my position, get on a plane right now and ask for a revision? NB The asymmetry was already there and I saw it myself on the CT scan, but I think it's a normal level of asymmetry which people don't notice and which is why I never noticed it before... my concern is that the advancement of the chin might make that asymmetry very obvious but I honestly dk if I'm overreacting or not. So, to be clear, I'm not worried that my surgeon created a new asymmetry, I'm worried that he made it obvious to everyone, and it blows my mind that correcting it was not part of his plan. According to the 2nd opinion OFMS, my surgeon did a perfectly straight and parallel advancement, so technically the bone symmetry was unchanged, but he said the advancement itself can change how it's perceived.

Positive signs / cope:

• 2nd OFMS confirmed my surgeon did a clean, straight advancement
• chatgpt says that when i used to fraud i was basically simulating a straight advancement
• looking at my old photos, where i frauded beyond the 10 mm advancement i got, there was no noticeable asymmetry (idk if the 3.6 mm vertical plays a role though)
• when i stretch my skin or make faces, it looks ok, maybe another sign that it’s mostly swelling?
• right side of my nose and of my face as a whole seem more swollen
• surgeon doesn’t seem like a total retard (over 50% of his practice is genio, he just spams them everyday and i had zero side effects from the moment i woke up) and since SG is a cosmetic procedure, seems unlikely that a skilled surgeon would just overlook a huge asymmetry from the front, right?
• when i brought it up to my surgeon he seemed very confident that it was just soft tissue swelling and that it would be like pre-op in the end… when asked if that type of oversight where i end up asymmetrical could happen to him, he basically replied “nigga please”

Negative signs / concerns:

• my cone beam ct shows that my chin was objectively asymmetrical and that asymmetry was not addressed at all as my surgeon just moved it forward and parallel
• i remember looking at that bone asymmetry in the scan and thinking, how the hell could that not be obvious to the human eye? apparently it can though since it was my pre-op…
• gook said he didn’t find me very swollen at 3 weeks PO, and he says that my frauding before might not be an accurate representation of my surgery result
• i don’t see any improvement in the last 2 weeks

Just cope with fillers if that would not be gone. Also consider eye fat grafting your UEE and LEE makes a big failo I think.

 

[monk231]

Don't panic yet it could be asymmetrical swelling if cone beam looks fine just wait it out , swelling will take 1 year to solve fully with 1 cm genio but at 6 months it should be like 90% gone

 

[jackinthebox]

Probably swelling but normies don’t be able to tell either way tbh

 

[artvandelay]

dont know how i can help other than saying your chin is asymmetrical as FUCK

unironically helpful, thanks for the feedback

 

[artvandelay]

Just cope with fillers if that would not be gone. Also consider eye fat grafting your UEE and LEE makes a big failo I think.

ye i'm considering this for next year i actually have a friend who's always asking me to go to thailand, and now i wanna do it even more since you mentioned it, thanks

not doing fillers tho i'm hard correcting that shit if at all

 

[artvandelay]

Don't panic yet it could be asymmetrical swelling if cone beam looks fine just wait it out , swelling will take 1 year to solve fully with 1 cm genio but at 6 months it should be like 90% gone

thanks for the feedback

not sure if you read that part but cone beam shows same symmetry as pre-op, i.e. asymmetrical but with the movement, according to the 2nd opinion i got, could make the asymmetry more visible (but i'm doubting if that's true since my frauding was more than 10 mm advancement...)

i unironically would not mind being crooked for months as long as i'm confident that it would look fine in the end

the reason for my panicking rn is that i can't figure out whether or not i should revise that shit asap (best time to do it) or take a leap of faith and wait

it's also like ok asymmetrical swelling is a thing but what are the chances that it's in the exact same spot where i was asymmetrical to begin with (1 in 2 i guess but stills fuck with me heavy) also not noticing micro improvements in any of the pics and gook surgeon said he didn't see significant swelling... so i cope by stretching my skin to simulate no swelling but i don't know how reliable that shit is

 

[artvandelay]

Probably swelling but normies don’t be able to tell either way tbh

i'm doing this experiment where i'm not telling anybody and so far no one has noticed like you said (they know about the nose because i told them beforehand and it's obviously taped)

but you have to also consider that normies have no fucking idea what UEE or a gonial angle or even pct is, yet their brain will interpret those features as unattractive if they are fucked... in that case i think that it's fair to imagine that a chin that is tilted 10 miles to one side is going to be perceived as unattractive, even if the normie does not explicitly notice it as a flaw

 

[jackinthebox]

i'm doing this experiment where i'm not telling anybody and so far no one has noticed like you said (they know about the nose because i told them beforehand and it's obviously taped)

but you have to also consider that normies have no fucking idea what UEE or a gonial angle or even pct is, yet their brain will interpret those features as unattractive if they are fucked... in that case i think that it's fair to imagine that a chin that is tilted 10 miles to one side is going to be perceived as unattractive, even if the normie does not explicitly notice it as a flaw

Looked at it again. I dont think the existing asymmetry got any worse. It’s just more apparent to you now

Edit: nvm I see it now. It’s like your existing asymmetry just got magnified with the rest of your chin.

 

[artvandelay]

Looked at it again. I dont think the existing asymmetry got any worse. It’s just more apparent to you now

Edit: nvm I see it now. It’s like your existing asymmetry just got magnified with the rest of your chin.

yeah i think it looks similar to pre-op in the pics where i stretch my skin which i think might me a good sign but could also me massive cope…

hopefully the 3rd opinion i get in 3 days will help me make a decision. then i also have a followup with my surgeon, but i don’t think that nigga will do a revision unless i tell him straight up i am doing a revision and i would like you to do it but if not will get it somewhere else. like when i saw him 2 weeks ago in his mind it was 100% swelling and a nothing burger

 

[AustrianMogger]

TLDR PLEASE if you cba reading allat just read red and pics and tell me if you would get an early revision

I got a sliding genio (H 10.4 mm & V 3.6 mm) + rhinoplasty done exactly 1 month ago

I’m making this thread because I feel like the SG made my chin noticeably asymmetrical/crooked. My surgeon said it’s the swelling that is asymmetrical and that it will look ok once it resolves. So i got a 2nd opinion from an asian OFMS and he, looking at my cone beam, explained how my surgeon did a very clean job, but that my chin was asymmetrical to begin with and by giving it more projection I might notice it more.

Fair enough, if I look at pre-op pictures now I can (kinda?) find the asymmetry if I look for it very closely. On the other hand, those pre-op pics are frauded because I compensated by moving my chin forward, which according to chatgpt is a good sign bc i was basically simulating a straight genio, but the asian ofms said it can still look different (i suppose because genio only moves chin and what i used to do was move everything forward as a unit). But now I feel like I’m legit deformed and it’s all I can think about 24/7 (i have taken over 200 photos of my chin in the past couple weeks). If it's temporary, then idgaf. But if my chin looks like this in 12 months I think it's over and ropemaxx material.

This is a critical period in time because the earlier you do a revision, the easier it is (bone hasn’t formed yet so he would basically just have to unscrew and rescrew). BTW does anyone have any idea why, if the chin was asymmetrical to begin with, a surgeon wouldn’t just make it symmetrical as part of the procedure? Shouldn’t it be a given, or do you really have to think about everything and leave nothing to chance when you’re hardmaxxing? I didn’t know I was asymmetrical so I never thought to say “hey btw make it symmetrical” SMFH. Frustrating too because he’s obviously very skilled as I had absolutely zero side effects from the moment I came to, shit pre-op I was so busy worrying and asking him about nerve damage this and fucked up smiles that and numbness and etc (fuck you reddit) that it never even crossed my mind to tell him oh yeah btw nigga also make it look good from the front lmao

I admit I do have body dysmorphia to a pretty severe degree so I’m really not sure if I’m overreacting or not.

Could some of you please tell me if my chin symmetry is cooked, and to what degree (i.e. would you in my position go through a revision?). Swelling resolution might improve things a little but the second OFMS said he didn’t find me particularly swollen. It was an autistic asian though so he couldn’t just be a normie and tell me hey it looks fine you’re overreacting or yeah get a revision you got cooked, just very matter-of-fact and neutral so it really didn’t help me make a decision. I’m getting a 3rd opinion next week, I wanted to get at least 5 different opinions but they’re all telling me go to your surgeon out of etiquette or something.

First, here is my before and after side profile, even if I don't think it's relevant to this thread.
View attachment 4195746View attachment 4195748

NOTE that this before picture was strictly taken for the purpose of comparison, but that nobody has ever seen my profile be that subhuman IRL because I would fraud 24/7 by advancing my lower teeth by 50 miles. As far as I know, nobody around me ever noticed I had a weak chin (I'm so mentally ill I wouldn't even chew gum around people). btw I was doing that unconsciously since I was a kid/teenager, I only became conscious of it a few years ago and mainly got the surgery because I thought it'd be a relief to not have to force my lower teeth forward anymore. So for this reason, as of right now, I prefer pre-op + frauding (with new nose obv) over post-op + crookedness. So please don't use the side profile to say it was a good trade-off, I will never see it that way because I used to fraud beyond the level it's at now even.

Now here are some pre-op pictures of my chin from the front, where I don't notice the asymmetry, or if I look very hard for it it doesn't bother me.
View attachment 4195767View attachment 4195770View attachment 4195765View attachment 4195766

and this is now post-op how my chin looks very crooked:
View attachment 4195798View attachment 4195800View attachment 4195795View attachment 4195796View attachment 4195799View attachment 4195797View attachment 4195794

and this is if I stretch my skin / make faces, looks a bit better which I think is a positive sign that it might get better as swelling resolves (but I'm still very worried because the gook doctor said he didn't see a lot of swelling).
View attachment 4195780View attachment 4195781View attachment 4195782View attachment 4195779

Also I think you can see that in some of my post-op pics my left cheek seems more hollow than the right, which I guess could be a good sign that the right side of my face as a whole is more swollen? And now that I think about it, my nose post-rhino is more swollen on my right side (the rhino surgeon told me he would improve the symmetry of the nose so I'm not worried about the nose tbh, just making an observation in relation to the chin, but idk maybe it's cope)


SO:
would YOU, 1 month PO, in my position, get on a plane right now and ask for a revision? NB The asymmetry was already there and I saw it myself on the CT scan, but I think it's a normal level of asymmetry which people don't notice and which is why I never noticed it before... my concern is that the advancement of the chin might make that asymmetry very obvious but I honestly dk if I'm overreacting or not. So, to be clear, I'm not worried that my surgeon created a new asymmetry, I'm worried that he made it obvious to everyone, and it blows my mind that correcting it was not part of his plan. According to the 2nd opinion OFMS, my surgeon did a perfectly straight and parallel advancement, so technically the bone symmetry was unchanged, but he said the advancement itself can change how it's perceived.

Positive signs / cope:

• 2nd OFMS confirmed my surgeon did a clean, straight advancement
• chatgpt says that when i used to fraud i was basically simulating a straight advancement
• looking at my old photos, where i frauded beyond the 10 mm advancement i got, there was no noticeable asymmetry (idk if the 3.6 mm vertical plays a role though)
• when i stretch my skin or make faces, it looks ok, maybe another sign that it’s mostly swelling?
• right side of my nose and of my face as a whole seem more swollen
• surgeon doesn’t seem like a total retard (over 50% of his practice is genio, he just spams them everyday and i had zero side effects from the moment i woke up) and since SG is a cosmetic procedure, seems unlikely that a skilled surgeon would just overlook a huge asymmetry from the front, right?
• when i brought it up to my surgeon he seemed very confident that it was just soft tissue swelling and that it would be like pre-op in the end… when asked if that type of oversight where i end up asymmetrical could happen to him, he basically replied “nigga please”

Negative signs / concerns:

• my cone beam ct shows that my chin was objectively asymmetrical and that asymmetry was not addressed at all as my surgeon just moved it forward and parallel
• i remember looking at that bone asymmetry in the scan and thinking, how the hell could that not be obvious to the human eye? apparently it can though since it was my pre-op…
• gook said he didn’t find me very swollen at 3 weeks PO, and he says that my frauding before might not be an accurate representation of my surgery result
• i don’t see any improvement in the last 2 weeks

Look at the New ct scan if its asymetrical yes consider a revision

 

[LEFORT17]

TLDR PLEASE if you cba reading allat just read red and pics and tell me if you would get an early revision

I got a sliding genio (H 10.4 mm & V 3.6 mm) + rhinoplasty done exactly 1 month ago

I’m making this thread because I feel like the SG made my chin noticeably asymmetrical/crooked. My surgeon said it’s the swelling that is asymmetrical and that it will look ok once it resolves. So i got a 2nd opinion from an asian OFMS and he, looking at my cone beam, explained how my surgeon did a very clean job, but that my chin was asymmetrical to begin with and by giving it more projection I might notice it more.

Fair enough, if I look at pre-op pictures now I can (kinda?) find the asymmetry if I look for it very closely. On the other hand, those pre-op pics are frauded because I compensated by moving my chin forward, which according to chatgpt is a good sign bc i was basically simulating a straight genio, but the asian ofms said it can still look different (i suppose because genio only moves chin and what i used to do was move everything forward as a unit). But now I feel like I’m legit deformed and it’s all I can think about 24/7 (i have taken over 200 photos of my chin in the past couple weeks). If it's temporary, then idgaf. But if my chin looks like this in 12 months I think it's over and ropemaxx material.

This is a critical period in time because the earlier you do a revision, the easier it is (bone hasn’t formed yet so he would basically just have to unscrew and rescrew). BTW does anyone have any idea why, if the chin was asymmetrical to begin with, a surgeon wouldn’t just make it symmetrical as part of the procedure? Shouldn’t it be a given, or do you really have to think about everything and leave nothing to chance when you’re hardmaxxing? I didn’t know I was asymmetrical so I never thought to say “hey btw make it symmetrical” SMFH. Frustrating too because he’s obviously very skilled as I had absolutely zero side effects from the moment I came to, shit pre-op I was so busy worrying and asking him about nerve damage this and fucked up smiles that and numbness and etc (fuck you reddit) that it never even crossed my mind to tell him oh yeah btw nigga also make it look good from the front lmao

I admit I do have body dysmorphia to a pretty severe degree so I’m really not sure if I’m overreacting or not.

Could some of you please tell me if my chin symmetry is cooked, and to what degree (i.e. would you in my position go through a revision?). Swelling resolution might improve things a little but the second OFMS said he didn’t find me particularly swollen. It was an autistic asian though so he couldn’t just be a normie and tell me hey it looks fine you’re overreacting or yeah get a revision you got cooked, just very matter-of-fact and neutral so it really didn’t help me make a decision. I’m getting a 3rd opinion next week, I wanted to get at least 5 different opinions but they’re all telling me go to your surgeon out of etiquette or something.

First, here is my before and after side profile, even if I don't think it's relevant to this thread.
View attachment 4195746View attachment 4195748

NOTE that this before picture was strictly taken for the purpose of comparison, but that nobody has ever seen my profile be that subhuman IRL because I would fraud 24/7 by advancing my lower teeth by 50 miles. As far as I know, nobody around me ever noticed I had a weak chin (I'm so mentally ill I wouldn't even chew gum around people). btw I was doing that unconsciously since I was a kid/teenager, I only became conscious of it a few years ago and mainly got the surgery because I thought it'd be a relief to not have to force my lower teeth forward anymore. So for this reason, as of right now, I prefer pre-op + frauding (with new nose obv) over post-op + crookedness. So please don't use the side profile to say it was a good trade-off, I will never see it that way because I used to fraud beyond the level it's at now even.

Now here are some pre-op pictures of my chin from the front, where I don't notice the asymmetry, or if I look very hard for it it doesn't bother me.
View attachment 4195767View attachment 4195770View attachment 4195765View attachment 4195766

and this is now post-op how my chin looks very crooked:
View attachment 4195798View attachment 4195800View attachment 4195795View attachment 4195796View attachment 4195799View attachment 4195797View attachment 4195794

and this is if I stretch my skin / make faces, looks a bit better which I think is a positive sign that it might get better as swelling resolves (but I'm still very worried because the gook doctor said he didn't see a lot of swelling).
View attachment 4195780View attachment 4195781View attachment 4195782View attachment 4195779

Also I think you can see that in some of my post-op pics my left cheek seems more hollow than the right, which I guess could be a good sign that the right side of my face as a whole is more swollen? And now that I think about it, my nose post-rhino is more swollen on my right side (the rhino surgeon told me he would improve the symmetry of the nose so I'm not worried about the nose tbh, just making an observation in relation to the chin, but idk maybe it's cope)


SO:
would YOU, 1 month PO, in my position, get on a plane right now and ask for a revision? NB The asymmetry was already there and I saw it myself on the CT scan, but I think it's a normal level of asymmetry which people don't notice and which is why I never noticed it before... my concern is that the advancement of the chin might make that asymmetry very obvious but I honestly dk if I'm overreacting or not. So, to be clear, I'm not worried that my surgeon created a new asymmetry, I'm worried that he made it obvious to everyone, and it blows my mind that correcting it was not part of his plan. According to the 2nd opinion OFMS, my surgeon did a perfectly straight and parallel advancement, so technically the bone symmetry was unchanged, but he said the advancement itself can change how it's perceived.

Positive signs / cope:

• 2nd OFMS confirmed my surgeon did a clean, straight advancement
• chatgpt says that when i used to fraud i was basically simulating a straight advancement
• looking at my old photos, where i frauded beyond the 10 mm advancement i got, there was no noticeable asymmetry (idk if the 3.6 mm vertical plays a role though)
• when i stretch my skin or make faces, it looks ok, maybe another sign that it’s mostly swelling?
• right side of my nose and of my face as a whole seem more swollen
• surgeon doesn’t seem like a total retard (over 50% of his practice is genio, he just spams them everyday and i had zero side effects from the moment i woke up) and since SG is a cosmetic procedure, seems unlikely that a skilled surgeon would just overlook a huge asymmetry from the front, right?
• when i brought it up to my surgeon he seemed very confident that it was just soft tissue swelling and that it would be like pre-op in the end… when asked if that type of oversight where i end up asymmetrical could happen to him, he basically replied “nigga please”

Negative signs / concerns:

• my cone beam ct shows that my chin was objectively asymmetrical and that asymmetry was not addressed at all as my surgeon just moved it forward and parallel
• i remember looking at that bone asymmetry in the scan and thinking, how the hell could that not be obvious to the human eye? apparently it can though since it was my pre-op…
• gook said he didn’t find me very swollen at 3 weeks PO, and he says that my frauding before might not be an accurate representation of my surgery result
• i don’t see any improvement in the last 2 weeks

i could be wrong since theres no ct scans but i think you have chin AND mandible assymetry which fucks it up more

 

[artvandelay]

Look at the New ct scan if its asymetrical yes consider a revision

like i said, the bone symmetry is unchanged from pre to post, the concern is more about how the advancement could make it noticeable to the naked eye although it wasn’t before

 

[artvandelay]

i could be wrong since theres no ct scans but i think you have chin AND mandible assymetry which fucks it up more

i’ll bring that point up to him, thanks

 

[artvandelay]

btw can anybody tell me if these sound reasonable or is it delusional cope from me?

Positive signs / cope:

• 2nd OFMS confirmed my surgeon did a clean, straight advancement
• chatgpt says that when i used to fraud i was basically simulating a straight advancement
• looking at my old photos, where i frauded beyond the 10 mm advancement i got, there was no noticeable asymmetry (idk if the 3.6 mm vertical plays a role though)
• when i stretch my skin or make faces, it looks ok, maybe another sign that it’s mostly swelling?
• right side of my nose and of my face as a whole seem more swollen
• surgeon doesn’t seem like a total retard (over 50% of his practice is genio, he just spams them everyday and i had zero side effects from the moment i woke up) and since SG is a cosmetic procedure, seems unlikely that a skilled surgeon would just overlook a huge asymmetry from the front, right?
• when i brought it up to my surgeon he seemed very confident that it was just soft tissue swelling and that it would be like pre-op in the end… when asked if that type of oversight where i end up asymmetrical could happen to him, he basically replied “nigga please”

 

[artvandelay]

i could be wrong since theres no ct scans but i think you have chin AND mandible assymetry which fucks it up more

someone on r/jawsurgery suggested my right jaw is shorter, i guess that's what you are seeing also?

and now that i think about it, when my ENT/nose surgeon saw me for the first time (1 day before my OFMS appointment) he immediately brought up some asymmetry to say that my OFMS might not go for a genioplasty necessarily and that could change the surgery plans (i.e. i think he meant maybe not rhino and jaw at the same time or that the duration of the surgery could be longer?). I'm dumb i didn't ask him to elaborate so i'm not sure what he saw or how it could change the surgery plans, but i do remember feeling a little stunned that within 1 second of me entering his office he noticed something that i was apparently clueless about for my whole life.

 

[artvandelay]

also if people have any suggestions of things that i should say/ask the 3rd opinion ofms (tuesday) i would appreciate it

then i'll send a message to my surgeon (he is very responsive and nice and the follow-ups are free but i don't want to spam him without a clear idea of what i'm going for)

 

[AustrianMogger]

like i said, the bone symmetry is unchanged from pre to post, the concern is more about how the advancement could make it noticeable to the naked eye although it wasn’t before

Send the ct scan in here from front

 

[artvandelay]

Send the ct scan in here from front

i only have the CDs bro i don't know what the format is or how to read them, do you? I could buy an external DVD reader later today though (it's 5:30 AM right now)

 

[artvandelay]

oh and btw if the revision had no risks i would already have done it and wouldn't even be asking for opinions, in my case money and time/travelling is not a concern whatsoever…

from what i understand a second surgery caries more risks, which i avoided them all the first time and feel very thankful for, but they increase with revisions (more scar tissue, worse incision, new hole to screw, etc.) Also not sure my surgeon would agree to do it unless i’m super assertive and tell him i am getting one with or without him, bc when I brought this up 2 weeks ago he was very confident that it was just soft tissue swelling and it's not like he is some asshole/butcher who ghosted me after surgery, he asks for regular follow-ups himself

so if it’s a non-issue (or if it’s very likely to become a non-issue as swelling resolves) then i don’t want to be a dumbass who takes an unecessary risk to correct something that has no relevance to my facial attractiveness. Like what if i get permanent numbness or a thinner lower lip or deeper labiomental fold etc. etc. the risk/reward needs to be worth it, that’s why i’m asking for unbiased advice. I do ok with females usually but in this state i would have zero confidence in that, rn i wouldn’t even go see a girl that was already infatuated with me pre-op it’s just such a ridiculous flaw to have

 

[artvandelay]

the more i talk about it the more i feel like i should just say fuck it and go all in on the revision asap, I just hope my 3rd opinion helps me make a clear decision this week

 

[ltn_looksminner]

it's not that noticeable , but if money is not a problem do a revision

 

[artvandelay]

it's not that noticeable , but if money is not a problem do a revision

probably good advice and it's what i'm leaning toward rn thanks, but i am concerned about the risks of complications from a revision, and it would be really dumb to do it if it was actually just a temporary asymmetry from swelling, atp i hope the 3rd ofms i'm asking this week will tell me straight up yeah i recommend revision because the 2nd opinion was not really helpful in that regard

i disagree about it being not too noticeable though but am obviously biased

 

[mewael]

TLDR PLEASE if you cba reading allat just read red and pics and tell me if you would get an early revision

I got a sliding genio (H 10.4 mm & V 3.6 mm) + rhinoplasty done exactly 1 month ago

I’m making this thread because I feel like the SG made my chin noticeably asymmetrical/crooked. My surgeon said it’s the swelling that is asymmetrical and that it will look ok once it resolves. So i got a 2nd opinion from an asian OFMS and he, looking at my cone beam, explained how my surgeon did a very clean job, but that my chin was asymmetrical to begin with and by giving it more projection I might notice it more.

Fair enough, if I look at pre-op pictures now I can (kinda?) find the asymmetry if I look for it very closely. On the other hand, those pre-op pics are frauded because I compensated by moving my chin forward, which according to chatgpt is a good sign bc i was basically simulating a straight genio, but the asian ofms said it can still look different (i suppose because genio only moves chin and what i used to do was move everything forward as a unit). But now I feel like I’m legit deformed and it’s all I can think about 24/7 (i have taken over 200 photos of my chin in the past couple weeks). If it's temporary, then idgaf. But if my chin looks like this in 12 months I think it's over and ropemaxx material.

This is a critical period in time because the earlier you do a revision, the easier it is (bone hasn’t formed yet so he would basically just have to unscrew and rescrew). BTW does anyone have any idea why, if the chin was asymmetrical to begin with, a surgeon wouldn’t just make it symmetrical as part of the procedure? Shouldn’t it be a given, or do you really have to think about everything and leave nothing to chance when you’re hardmaxxing? I didn’t know I was asymmetrical so I never thought to say “hey btw make it symmetrical” SMFH. Frustrating too because he’s obviously very skilled as I had absolutely zero side effects from the moment I came to, shit pre-op I was so busy worrying and asking him about nerve damage this and fucked up smiles that and numbness and etc (fuck you reddit) that it never even crossed my mind to tell him oh yeah btw nigga also make it look good from the front lmao

I admit I do have body dysmorphia to a pretty severe degree so I’m really not sure if I’m overreacting or not.

Could some of you please tell me if my chin symmetry is cooked, and to what degree (i.e. would you in my position go through a revision?). Swelling resolution might improve things a little but the second OFMS said he didn’t find me particularly swollen. It was an autistic asian though so he couldn’t just be a normie and tell me hey it looks fine you’re overreacting or yeah get a revision you got cooked, just very matter-of-fact and neutral so it really didn’t help me make a decision. I’m getting a 3rd opinion next week, I wanted to get at least 5 different opinions but they’re all telling me go to your surgeon out of etiquette or something.

First, here is my before and after side profile, even if I don't think it's relevant to this thread.
View attachment 4195746View attachment 4195748

NOTE that this before picture was strictly taken for the purpose of comparison, but that nobody has ever seen my profile be that subhuman IRL because I would fraud 24/7 by advancing my lower teeth by 50 miles. As far as I know, nobody around me ever noticed I had a weak chin (I'm so mentally ill I wouldn't even chew gum around people). btw I was doing that unconsciously since I was a kid/teenager, I only became conscious of it a few years ago and mainly got the surgery because I thought it'd be a relief to not have to force my lower teeth forward anymore. So for this reason, as of right now, I prefer pre-op + frauding (with new nose obv) over post-op + crookedness. So please don't use the side profile to say it was a good trade-off, I will never see it that way because I used to fraud beyond the level it's at now even.

Now here are some pre-op pictures of my chin from the front, where I don't notice the asymmetry, or if I look very hard for it it doesn't bother me.
View attachment 4195767View attachment 4195770View attachment 4195765View attachment 4195766

and this is now post-op how my chin looks very crooked:
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and this is if I stretch my skin / make faces, looks a bit better which I think is a positive sign that it might get better as swelling resolves (but I'm still very worried because the gook doctor said he didn't see a lot of swelling).
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Also I think you can see that in some of my post-op pics my left cheek seems more hollow than the right, which I guess could be a good sign that the right side of my face as a whole is more swollen? And now that I think about it, my nose post-rhino is more swollen on my right side (the rhino surgeon told me he would improve the symmetry of the nose so I'm not worried about the nose tbh, just making an observation in relation to the chin, but idk maybe it's cope)


SO:
would YOU, 1 month PO, in my position, get on a plane right now and ask for a revision? NB The asymmetry was already there and I saw it myself on the CT scan, but I think it's a normal level of asymmetry which people don't notice and which is why I never noticed it before... my concern is that the advancement of the chin might make that asymmetry very obvious but I honestly dk if I'm overreacting or not. So, to be clear, I'm not worried that my surgeon created a new asymmetry, I'm worried that he made it obvious to everyone, and it blows my mind that correcting it was not part of his plan. According to the 2nd opinion OFMS, my surgeon did a perfectly straight and parallel advancement, so technically the bone symmetry was unchanged, but he said the advancement itself can change how it's perceived.

Positive signs / cope:

• 2nd OFMS confirmed my surgeon did a clean, straight advancement
• chatgpt says that when i used to fraud i was basically simulating a straight advancement
• looking at my old photos, where i frauded beyond the 10 mm advancement i got, there was no noticeable asymmetry (idk if the 3.6 mm vertical plays a role though)
• when i stretch my skin or make faces, it looks ok, maybe another sign that it’s mostly swelling?
• right side of my nose and of my face as a whole seem more swollen
• surgeon doesn’t seem like a total retard (over 50% of his practice is genio, he just spams them everyday and i had zero side effects from the moment i woke up) and since SG is a cosmetic procedure, seems unlikely that a skilled surgeon would just overlook a huge asymmetry from the front, right?
• when i brought it up to my surgeon he seemed very confident that it was just soft tissue swelling and that it would be like pre-op in the end… when asked if that type of oversight where i end up asymmetrical could happen to him, he basically replied “nigga please”

Negative signs / concerns:

• my cone beam ct shows that my chin was objectively asymmetrical and that asymmetry was not addressed at all as my surgeon just moved it forward and parallel
• i remember looking at that bone asymmetry in the scan and thinking, how the hell could that not be obvious to the human eye? apparently it can though since it was my pre-op…
• gook said he didn’t find me very swollen at 3 weeks PO, and he says that my frauding before might not be an accurate representation of my surgery result
• i don’t see any improvement in the last 2 weeks

Amazing transformation bro but I don't think chin surgery was the problem. You should have done a all double surgery left 1 to make that low hyoid less noticeable

 

[artvandelay]

Amazing transformation bro but I don't think chin surgery was the problem. You should have done a all double surgery left 1 to make that low hyoid less noticeable

ok bro you clearly did not read a single word but thank you all the same

 

[mewael]

ok bro you clearly did not read a single word but thank you all the same

Lol I didn't read nun, just actinlike I did untill someone notices

 

[Localcat12345]

TLDR PLEASE if you cba reading allat just read red and pics and tell me if you would get an early revision

I got a sliding genio (H 10.4 mm & V 3.6 mm) + rhinoplasty done exactly 1 month ago

I’m making this thread because I feel like the SG made my chin noticeably asymmetrical/crooked. My surgeon said it’s the swelling that is asymmetrical and that it will look ok once it resolves. So i got a 2nd opinion from an asian OFMS and he, looking at my cone beam, explained how my surgeon did a very clean job, but that my chin was asymmetrical to begin with and by giving it more projection I might notice it more.

Fair enough, if I look at pre-op pictures now I can (kinda?) find the asymmetry if I look for it very closely. On the other hand, those pre-op pics are frauded because I compensated by moving my chin forward, which according to chatgpt is a good sign bc i was basically simulating a straight genio, but the asian ofms said it can still look different (i suppose because genio only moves chin and what i used to do was move everything forward as a unit). But now I feel like I’m legit deformed and it’s all I can think about 24/7 (i have taken over 200 photos of my chin in the past couple weeks). If it's temporary, then idgaf. But if my chin looks like this in 12 months I think it's over and ropemaxx material.

This is a critical period in time because the earlier you do a revision, the easier it is (bone hasn’t formed yet so he would basically just have to unscrew and rescrew). BTW does anyone have any idea why, if the chin was asymmetrical to begin with, a surgeon wouldn’t just make it symmetrical as part of the procedure? Shouldn’t it be a given, or do you really have to think about everything and leave nothing to chance when you’re hardmaxxing? I didn’t know I was asymmetrical so I never thought to say “hey btw make it symmetrical” SMFH. Frustrating too because he’s obviously very skilled as I had absolutely zero side effects from the moment I came to, shit pre-op I was so busy worrying and asking him about nerve damage this and fucked up smiles that and numbness and etc (fuck you reddit) that it never even crossed my mind to tell him oh yeah btw nigga also make it look good from the front lmao

I admit I do have body dysmorphia to a pretty severe degree so I’m really not sure if I’m overreacting or not.

Could some of you please tell me if my chin symmetry is cooked, and to what degree (i.e. would you in my position go through a revision?). Swelling resolution might improve things a little but the second OFMS said he didn’t find me particularly swollen. It was an autistic asian though so he couldn’t just be a normie and tell me hey it looks fine you’re overreacting or yeah get a revision you got cooked, just very matter-of-fact and neutral so it really didn’t help me make a decision. I’m getting a 3rd opinion next week, I wanted to get at least 5 different opinions but they’re all telling me go to your surgeon out of etiquette or something.

First, here is my before and after side profile, even if I don't think it's relevant to this thread.
View attachment 4195746View attachment 4195748

NOTE that this before picture was strictly taken for the purpose of comparison, but that nobody has ever seen my profile be that subhuman IRL because I would fraud 24/7 by advancing my lower teeth by 50 miles. As far as I know, nobody around me ever noticed I had a weak chin (I'm so mentally ill I wouldn't even chew gum around people). btw I was doing that unconsciously since I was a kid/teenager, I only became conscious of it a few years ago and mainly got the surgery because I thought it'd be a relief to not have to force my lower teeth forward anymore. So for this reason, as of right now, I prefer pre-op + frauding (with new nose obv) over post-op + crookedness. So please don't use the side profile to say it was a good trade-off, I will never see it that way because I used to fraud beyond the level it's at now even.

Now here are some pre-op pictures of my chin from the front, where I don't notice the asymmetry, or if I look very hard for it it doesn't bother me.
View attachment 4195767View attachment 4195770View attachment 4195765View attachment 4195766

and this is now post-op how my chin looks very crooked:
View attachment 4195798View attachment 4195800View attachment 4195795View attachment 4195796View attachment 4195799View attachment 4195797View attachment 4195794

and this is if I stretch my skin / make faces, looks a bit better which I think is a positive sign that it might get better as swelling resolves (but I'm still very worried because the gook doctor said he didn't see a lot of swelling).
View attachment 4195780View attachment 4195781View attachment 4195782View attachment 4195779

Also I think you can see that in some of my post-op pics my left cheek seems more hollow than the right, which I guess could be a good sign that the right side of my face as a whole is more swollen? And now that I think about it, my nose post-rhino is more swollen on my right side (the rhino surgeon told me he would improve the symmetry of the nose so I'm not worried about the nose tbh, just making an observation in relation to the chin, but idk maybe it's cope)


SO:
would YOU, 1 month PO, in my position, get on a plane right now and ask for a revision? NB The asymmetry was already there and I saw it myself on the CT scan, but I think it's a normal level of asymmetry which people don't notice and which is why I never noticed it before... my concern is that the advancement of the chin might make that asymmetry very obvious but I honestly dk if I'm overreacting or not. So, to be clear, I'm not worried that my surgeon created a new asymmetry, I'm worried that he made it obvious to everyone, and it blows my mind that correcting it was not part of his plan. According to the 2nd opinion OFMS, my surgeon did a perfectly straight and parallel advancement, so technically the bone symmetry was unchanged, but he said the advancement itself can change how it's perceived.

Positive signs / cope:

• 2nd OFMS confirmed my surgeon did a clean, straight advancement
• chatgpt says that when i used to fraud i was basically simulating a straight advancement
• looking at my old photos, where i frauded beyond the 10 mm advancement i got, there was no noticeable asymmetry (idk if the 3.6 mm vertical plays a role though)
• when i stretch my skin or make faces, it looks ok, maybe another sign that it’s mostly swelling?
• right side of my nose and of my face as a whole seem more swollen
• surgeon doesn’t seem like a total retard (over 50% of his practice is genio, he just spams them everyday and i had zero side effects from the moment i woke up) and since SG is a cosmetic procedure, seems unlikely that a skilled surgeon would just overlook a huge asymmetry from the front, right?
• when i brought it up to my surgeon he seemed very confident that it was just soft tissue swelling and that it would be like pre-op in the end… when asked if that type of oversight where i end up asymmetrical could happen to him, he basically replied “nigga please”

Negative signs / concerns:

• my cone beam ct shows that my chin was objectively asymmetrical and that asymmetry was not addressed at all as my surgeon just moved it forward and parallel
• i remember looking at that bone asymmetry in the scan and thinking, how the hell could that not be obvious to the human eye? apparently it can though since it was my pre-op…
• gook said he didn’t find me very swollen at 3 weeks PO, and he says that my frauding before might not be an accurate representation of my surgery result
• i don’t see any improvement in the last 2 weeks

Its looks asymmetrical but it was to begin with so its not crazy bad but its visible also please fix the eye area it would be a high roi for you

 

[artvandelay]

Its looks asymmetrical but it was to begin with so its not crazy bad but its visible also please fix the eye area it would be a high roi for you

thanks bro.

wouldn't you say the post-op is significantly more crooked than pre-op? i honestly cannot tell in my old photo that this asymmetry existed or else i would have brought it up with the surgeon obv.

atp i'm leaning more toward revision, but i'm waiting on my 3rd opinion this week then i will consult my surgeon again and make a decision. like unless 3rd opinion convinces me that it's going to be like pre-op (which again i never knew it was asymmetrical), then i'm pretty sure i have to get a revision now (unless i'm told the risks are crazy or something) or else i will be miserable and depressed or will need fillers which i don't think is a good alternative.

for eye area, i started minox and latisse 3 weeks ago and had a plan for early 2026 to get fat graft for UEE in thailand and lower eyelid retraction for scleral show. i think i can softmax the dark circles (they weren't this bad before my surgery) but if not i have to get bleph yeah? or what's the hardmaxx there? i'm scared to get cantho tho, do you think the rest or anything else you might suggest would be enough to go from subhuman to ok/decent eye area?

 

[Localcat12345]

thanks bro.

wouldn't you say the post-op is significantly more crooked than pre-op? i honestly cannot tell in my old photo that this asymmetry existed or else i would have brought it up with the surgeon obv.

atp i'm leaning more toward revision, but i'm waiting on my 3rd opinion this week then i will consult my surgeon again and make a decision. like unless 3rd opinion convinces me that it's going to be like pre-op (which again i never knew it was asymmetrical), then i'm pretty sure i have to get a revision now (unless i'm told the risks are crazy or something) or else i will be miserable and depressed or will need fillers which i don't think is a good alternative.

for eye area, i started minox and latisse 3 weeks ago and had a plan for early 2026 to get fat graft for UEE in thailand and lower eyelid retraction for scleral show. i think i can softmax the dark circles (they weren't this bad before my surgery) but if not i have to get bleph yeah? or what's the hardmaxx there? i'm scared to get cantho tho, do you think the rest or anything else you might suggest would be enough to go from subhuman to ok/decent eye area?

Cantho is a must in your case my man im gonna be honest with you

 

[Localcat12345]

thanks bro.

wouldn't you say the post-op is significantly more crooked than pre-op? i honestly cannot tell in my old photo that this asymmetry existed or else i would have brought it up with the surgeon obv.

atp i'm leaning more toward revision, but i'm waiting on my 3rd opinion this week then i will consult my surgeon again and make a decision. like unless 3rd opinion convinces me that it's going to be like pre-op (which again i never knew it was asymmetrical), then i'm pretty sure i have to get a revision now (unless i'm told the risks are crazy or something) or else i will be miserable and depressed or will need fillers which i don't think is a good alternative.

for eye area, i started minox and latisse 3 weeks ago and had a plan for early 2026 to get fat graft for UEE in thailand and lower eyelid retraction for scleral show. i think i can softmax the dark circles (they weren't this bad before my surgery) but if not i have to get bleph yeah? or what's the hardmaxx there? i'm scared to get cantho tho, do you think the rest or anything else you might suggest would be enough to go from subhuman to ok/decent eye area?

If I measured correctly its sitting around at -3 or -4 the tilt of the eye so for eye area i do recommend fat grafting upper and lower eyelid retraction maybe cantho is a skip but it would greatly benefit you

 

[Localcat12345]

thanks bro.

wouldn't you say the post-op is significantly more crooked than pre-op? i honestly cannot tell in my old photo that this asymmetry existed or else i would have brought it up with the surgeon obv.

atp i'm leaning more toward revision, but i'm waiting on my 3rd opinion this week then i will consult my surgeon again and make a decision. like unless 3rd opinion convinces me that it's going to be like pre-op (which again i never knew it was asymmetrical), then i'm pretty sure i have to get a revision now (unless i'm told the risks are crazy or something) or else i will be miserable and depressed or will need fillers which i don't think is a good alternative.

for eye area, i started minox and latisse 3 weeks ago and had a plan for early 2026 to get fat graft for UEE in thailand and lower eyelid retraction for scleral show. i think i can softmax the dark circles (they weren't this bad before my surgery) but if not i have to get bleph yeah? or what's the hardmaxx there? i'm scared to get cantho tho, do you think the rest or anything else you might suggest would be enough to go from subhuman to ok/decent eye area?

If you want more information can you send me a straight on pic in dms like looking straight at the camera so i can see what you need?

 

[artvandelay]

Cantho is a must in your case my man im gonna be honest with you

hmm, ok i'll keep that in mind and cross that bridge when i get to it, thanks.

 

[artvandelay]

If you want more information can you send me a straight on pic in dms like looking straight at the camera so i can see what you need?

can you open a conversation with me please i think the feature is locked for me