£10,000 for a BiMax + Genioplasty in Turkey

[chief]

Been in touch with different surgeons in Turkey, sent some side profile pictures over.

Just been quoted £10,000 for a bimax and genioplasty, after the procedure they put invisalign on your teeth as well, i guess that’s life fuel for anyone looking into it.

A genioplasty on its own is around £4000 in Turkey and a rhino is usually about £1500 - £200 max.

There’s no excuse not to get surgery as this point, no life at your job for 6 months and you’ll be able to.

Life fuel.

 

[chief]

Correction, the invisalign is an extra £2,800.

 

[Xx_gloomy_bison_xX]

Go with giantsimplants, don't do it on your own. Celal is known for botching up his patients. I have doubts about Altan and Burak. Use someone who knows about blackpill aesthetic. These type of surgeries, in Turkey, are not for aesthetic purposes but rather for medical reasons. You may end up really not liking the results. You need someone who will guide the surgeon

 

[cyprian_tomaszewski]

Go with giantsimplants, don't do it on your own. Celal is known for botching up his patients. I have doubts about Altan and Burak. Use someone who knows about blackpill aesthetic. These type of surgeries, in Turkey, are not for aesthetic purposes but rather for medical reasons. You may end up really not liking the results. You need someone who will guide the surgeon

thoughts on going to Turkey with Liam's guidance? The OBO case supposedly went well and it was done by the botcher Celal. It seems like they just can't perform on their own and need Giant to plan the surgery.

Getting surgeries in the west is just so expensive

 

[its_over]

giantsimplants

What are his prices

 

[chief]

Go with giantsimplants, don't do it on your own. Celal is known for botching up his patients. I have doubts about Altan and Burak. Use someone who knows about blackpill aesthetic. These type of surgeries, in Turkey, are not for aesthetic purposes but rather for medical reasons. You may end up really not liking the results. You need someone who will guide the surgeon

Thanks for the input, you think i’d still be alright with just a genio though? £4000

 

[longjohnmong]

Thanks for the input, you think i’d still be alright with just a genio though? £4000

Why would you ever go to someone notorious for botches? You kids need parental guidance.

 

[shieldzz]

@moreroidsmoredates LifeFuel for reccesedcells like you

 

[moreroidsmoredates]

Which surgeons?

 

[Cheat_Win]

JFL

 

[maxxmclooks]

im fundamentally sceptic about all turkish surgeons, personally would just invest in getting operation done in the west with a higher succes rate than gambling with some turkish surgeon

and if they botch you it will end up costing a lot more to correct it than what you wouldve paid in the west just for the surgery

 

[SlavicGeneral]

If you are not willing to find a way to make loads of cash you don't deserve a good girl to be your girlfriend. Actually let's not debate whether you deserve it, you DON'T WANT IT. How are these blackpilled kids stupid as fuck??? We all want great results but nobody wants to put in the work lmao. You need fucking $30k to get all that in the west, if you are really telling me you'll wageslave for a year to save up $10k and then spend it all on high-risk surgery at a clinic known for botches go kys immediately. Just fucking learn some skill that pays 3x minimum wage lmao. Muh it's hard lmao you don't deserve it.

Just imagine you get bothced, you'll go er the moment you leave the clinic because you'll need to wageslave botched for a year straight lmao. If you don't have at least 4-5x the surgery price you should not get it because chances are you'll need a revision, especially when you are retarded as the op and want to go to the cheapest surgeon who'll almost 100% not deliver proper results. Surgery is no joke.

 

[SlavicGeneral]

im fundamentally sceptic about all turkish surgeons, personally would just invest in getting operation done in the west with a higher succes rate than gambling with some turkish surgeon

and if they botch you it will end up costing a lot more to correct it than what you wouldve paid in the west just for the surgery

Exactly this. Kids on this forum are stupid as fuck and expect to spend their lifesavings to get the highest risk surgeries at the lowest cost to "become chad" when in reality most people need obo + lefort 2 to look "chad" and we all know they ain't getting none of that shit. So even if their plans end up working they're capped at mtn/htn. Imo that's an even bigger suifuel, getting to learn that you are not capable of becoming a chad and that even surgery can't help you.

Bimax is a meme surgery if you are not severely recessed provided it provides minimal aesthetic improvement in 80% of the cases simply because it does not fix the negative effects of improper development of maxilla (downward growth and more importantly upper maxila recession + infra recession). You'll have a 10-20% better jawline at the risk of getting botched for wageslaving for a year. Seems like a great deal lmao! All of this is being optimistic and working with a blackpilled surgeon, imagine a guy whose concern is fixing your medical function and you look exactly the same after surgery, these kids are guaranteed to go er after these surgeries, quote me on this.

 

[longjohnmong]

Exactly this. Kids on this forum are stupid as fuck and expect to spend their lifesavings to get the highest risk surgeries at the lowest cost to "become chad" when in reality most people need obo + lefort 2 to look "chad" and we all know they ain't getting none of that shit. So even if their plans end up working they're capped at mtn/htn. Imo that's an even bigger suifuel, getting to learn that you are not capable of becoming a chad and that even surgery can't help you.

Bimax is a meme surgery if you are not severely recessed provided it provides minimal aesthetic improvement in 80% of the cases simply because it does not fix the negative effects of improper development of maxilla (downward growth and more importantly upper maxila recession + infra recession). You'll have a 10-20% better jawline at the risk of getting botched for wageslaving for a year. Seems like a great deal lmao! All of this is being optimistic and working with a blackpilled surgeon, imagine a guy whose concern is fixing your medical function and you look exactly the same after surgery, these kids are guaranteed to go er after these surgeries, quote me on this.

And yet you use retarded heuristics like "every surgeon from this giant country is bad" or "if you don't overpay to grifter surgeons you'll get botched."

 

[SlavicGeneral]

And yet you use retarded heuristics like "every surgeon from this giant country is bad" or "if you don't overpay to grifter surgeons you'll get botched."

You have much higher chance of getting botched by going to any turkish surgeon than going to raffaini for example. Even the raffaini/ramieri/alfaro results aren't significant yet you are risking getting botched + having no significant improvement just to save $10k. I would not let a shitty dentist touch my teeth let alone a shitty surgeon reconstruct my jaw. But you do you.

 

[longjohnmong]

You have much higher chance of getting botched by going to any turkish surgeon than going to raffaini for example. Even the raffaini/ramieri/alfaro results aren't significant yet you are risking getting botched + having no significant improvement just to save $10k. I would not let a shitty dentist touch my teeth let alone a shitty surgeon reconstruct my jaw. But you do you.

exactly. Alfaro has numerous people complaining of botches, but because his marketing does or did appeal to 14 year olds, you have a high opinion of him versus every single Turkish surgeon, which I know you know nothing about. Your opinion "You have much higher chance of getting botched by going to any turkish surgeon than going to raffaini for example." is based on absolutely nothing, aside from you gauging popular opinion from online incel communities, which are also based on nothing.

 

[BecomingHuman]

Good primary rhino in turkey costs 4000-8000 euros.

 

[SlavicGeneral]

exactly. Alfaro has numerous people complaining of botches, but because his marketing does or did appeal to 14 year olds, you have a high opinion of him versus every single Turkish surgeon, which I know you know nothing about. Your opinion "You have much higher chance of getting botched by going to any turkish surgeon than going to raffaini for example." is based on absolutely nothing, aside from you gauging popular opinion from online incel communities, which are also based on nothing.

My opinion is based on people's experiences shared online. Why should I trust a fucking random guy from turkey without single good result to back it up when there's raffaini who regularly posts his results and people share his experience with him?

 

[longjohnmong]

My opinion is based on people's experiences shared online. Why should I trust a fucking random guy from turkey without single good result to back it up when there's raffaini who regularly posts his results and people share his experience with him?

Sure, bro. I'm sure you researched all the Turkish jaw surgeons.

Why should I trust a fucking random guy from turkey without single good result to back it up when there's raffaini who regularly posts his results and people share his experience with him?

Uh huh, everyone who isn't Raffaini is "random" and has no results.

Just checked Raffainis insta and he's reposting results from like 1996 lmao. But I guess if he can rope in retards then he might as well. He's been doing surgery for 30 years, probably ~5 per week, so ~7800, and has like 10 male results posted. One dude here who had surgery with him wanted a revision. But you're basically guaranteed to ascend bro!

And how about other forum favorites. Pagnoni? Wow, look at all those results! Safi? One result and 3 known botches. He's definitely worth $40k.

 

[SlavicGeneral]

Sure, bro. I'm sure you researched all the Turkish jaw surgeons.



Uh huh, everyone who isn't Raffaini is "random" and has no results.

Just checked Raffainis insta and he's reposting results from like 1996 lmao. But I guess if he can rope in retards then he might as well. He's been doing surgery for 30 years, probably ~5 per week, so ~7800, and has like 10 male results posted. One dude here who had surgery with him wanted a revision. But you're basically guaranteed to ascend bro!

And how about other forum favorites. Pagnoni? Wow, look at all those results! Safi? One result and 3 known botches. He's definitely worth $40k.

I never said you are guaranteed to ascend. Actually if you read carefully through my prev poats I mentioned that even these so called blackpilled surgeons botch far too often, so you should do everything to minimize the risk and I would most definitely not cheap out on this surgery and get it in Turkey just because it is cheap.

You can't research these guys cause they are either way too conservative or don't post results. If you do bimax you want a great advancement with good rotation not some medical issue fix and majority of surgeons aside from the "blackpilled ones" won't provide any aesthetic enhancement.

I'm not arguing whether Ramieri or Raffaini or Safi do better, just that you should never cheap out and should never go get surgery through wageslaving cause the risk is way too big to end up looking botched like you said.

 

[qweeeeef]

I never said you are guaranteed to ascend. Actually if you read carefully through my prev poats I mentioned that even these so called blackpilled surgeons botch far too often, so you should do everything to minimize the risk and I would most definitely not cheap out on this surgery and get it in Turkey just because it is cheap.

You can't research these guys cause they are either way too conservative or don't post results. If you do bimax you want a great advancement with good rotation not some medical issue fix and majority of surgeons aside from the "blackpilled ones" won't provide any aesthetic enhancement.

I'm not arguing whether Ramieri or Raffaini or Safi do better, just that you should never cheap out and should never go get surgery through wageslaving cause the risk is way too big to end up looking botched like you said.

You don’t recommend Ramieri?

 

[SlavicGeneral]

You don’t recommend Ramieri?

I don't know much about him from personal experience, I plan to get bimax but I would mainly go to Raffaini as he has some amazing results. Ramieri, Raffaini, Sailor and Alfaro should all be good surgeons. There may be some other good ones but these are known for their good work.

The best option is like someone mentioned for realsurgerymax (giant) to guide the surgeon, but I'm not sure who he's willing to work with and he is pretty much booked for years as far as I'm aware. Drop him a message on here and see what he has to say, he's probably the most knowledgeable person on surgery on the forum.

 

[chief]

If you are not willing to find a way to make loads of cash you don't deserve a good girl to be your girlfriend. Actually let's not debate whether you deserve it, you DON'T WANT IT. How are these blackpilled kids stupid as fuck??? We all want great results but nobody wants to put in the work lmao. You need fucking $30k to get all that in the west, if you are really telling me you'll wageslave for a year to save up $10k and then spend it all on high-risk surgery at a clinic known for botches go kys immediately. Just fucking learn some skill that pays 3x minimum wage lmao. Muh it's hard lmao you don't deserve it.

Just imagine you get bothced, you'll go er the moment you leave the clinic because you'll need to wageslave botched for a year straight lmao. If you don't have at least 4-5x the surgery price you should not get it because chances are you'll need a revision, especially when you are retarded as the op and want to go to the cheapest surgeon who'll almost 100% not deliver proper results. Surgery is no joke.

why are you so angry hahahaha, like a genio is really that hard, you’re projecting your anger on the wrong people

 

[chief]

I don't know much about him from personal experience, I plan to get bimax but I would mainly go to Raffaini as he has some amazing results. Ramieri, Raffaini, Sailor and Alfaro should all be good surgeons. There may be some other good ones but these are known for their good work.

The best option is like someone mentioned for realsurgerymax (giant) to guide the surgeon, but I'm not sure who he's willing to work with and he is pretty much booked for years as far as I'm aware. Drop him a message on here and see what he has to say, he's probably the most knowledgeable person on surgery on the forum.

appreciate this message, i didn’t know he did that but i have heard of him and seen his page

 

[chief]

what’s surprised me on here is how negative people are,

you don’t have to save up 40 grand and go to america or some italian guy to improve your looks

a reputable turkish plastic surgeon can and will help you accend even if it’s just a bit

if you’re THAT negative you can’t see that then really and truly you might as well kys or accept escort maxxing

it’s over if you’re too black pilled even to accept surgery’s will HELP im not saying they turn you into chico or even close but they do help if you’re 6”0 or over.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

I don't know much about him from personal experience, I plan to get bimax but I would mainly go to Raffaini as he has some amazing results. Ramieri, Raffaini, Sailor and Alfaro should all be good surgeons. There may be some other good ones but these are known for their good work.

The best option is like someone mentioned for realsurgerymax (giant) to guide the surgeon, but I'm not sure who he's willing to work with and he is pretty much booked for years as far as I'm aware. Drop him a message on here and see what he has to say, he's probably the most knowledgeable person on surgery on the forum.

I don't get why this forum worships giant so much. You're trusting giant over an actual surgeon with years of experience on the very surgery you plan to get?
@longjohnmong

 

[SlavicGeneral]

I don't get why this forum worships giant so much. You're trusting giant over an actual surgeon with years of experience on the very surgery you plan to get?
@longjohnmong

Giant is an aethetics enthusiast unlike those surgeons who are there just to take your money. The favt that he spends time on this forum alone should tell you that he is passionate about aesthetics and is doing everything he can to improve his understanding.

Regular surgeons fall into these two categories - either no improvement or you get dogmaxxed. And I want none of that to happen to me.

what’s surprised me on here is how negative people are,

you don’t have to save up 40 grand and go to america or some italian guy to improve your looks

a reputable turkish plastic surgeon can and will help you accend even if it’s just a bit

if you’re THAT negative you can’t see that then really and truly you might as well kys or accept escort maxxing

it’s over if you’re too black pilled even to accept surgery’s will HELP im not saying they turn you into chico or even close but they do help if you’re 6”0 or over.

You are taking the wrong message from my posts. If you want to looksmax you should put all your efforts into it. Your mentality should be go big or go home, not try to cheap out on surgery just so you can get surgery. Majority of girls who do surgerymaxxing look like shit and descend hard simply because they don't plan out their surgeries correctly and get them at the wrong place.

It's about mms of bones, and if your surgeon does not perform correct rotations/advanvements you are losing so much potential. Just run yourself through faceapp filters and you'll see that a difference between mtn and chadlite is so small that there's just one way to get it right and millions to fuck it up.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Giant is an aethetics enthusiast unlike those surgeons who are there just to take your money. The favt that he spends time on this forum alone should tell you that he is passionate about aesthetics and is doing everything he can to improve his understanding.

Regular surgeons fall into these two categories - either no improvement or you get dogmaxxed. And I want none of that to happen to me.

Or it's that he uses this forum to promote his service and otherwise wouldn't get clients or have gained followers on insta in the first place?

 

[its_over]

Exactly this. Kids on this forum are stupid as fuck and expect to spend their lifesavings to get the highest risk surgeries at the lowest cost to "become chad" when in reality most people need obo + lefort 2 to look "chad" and we all know they ain't getting none of that shit. So even if their plans end up working they're capped at mtn/htn. Imo that's an even bigger suifuel, getting to learn that you are not capable of becoming a chad and that even surgery can't help you.

Bimax is a meme surgery if you are not severely recessed provided it provides minimal aesthetic improvement in 80% of the cases simply because it does not fix the negative effects of improper development of maxilla (downward growth and more importantly upper maxila recession + infra recession). You'll have a 10-20% better jawline at the risk of getting botched for wageslaving for a year. Seems like a great deal lmao! All of this is being optimistic and working with a blackpilled surgeon, imagine a guy whose concern is fixing your medical function and you look exactly the same after surgery, these kids are guaranteed to go er after these surgeries, quote me on this.

Isn’t CCw bimax a fix for downward growth?

 

[Thebbcmaxxer]

Go with giantsimplants, don't do it on your own. Celal is known for botching up his patients. I have doubts about Altan and Burak. Use someone who knows about blackpill aesthetic. These type of surgeries, in Turkey, are not for aesthetic purposes but rather for medical reasons. You may end up really not liking the results. You need someone who will guide the surgeon

Giant rapes his patients he legit jerks off their feet’s and he is a faggot
@AAAD

 

[lestoa]

Show pics saar

 

[Pakicel]

Sure, bro. I'm sure you researched all the Turkish jaw surgeons.

Many are competent. I guess if you only need simple movements, then they are okay. But for complex surgeries with custom plates, I would be hesitant.

Uh huh, everyone who isn't Raffaini is "random" and has no results.

Raffaini has a shit attitude. He won't listen to your concerns at all. Wouldn't go to him for that reason alone.

Just checked Raffainis insta and he's reposting results from like 1996 lmao. But I guess if he can rope in retards then he might as well. He's been doing surgery for 30 years, probably ~5 per week, so ~7800, and has like 10 male results posted. One dude here who had surgery with him wanted a revision. But you're basically guaranteed to ascend bro!

With that many surgeries, obviously you are going to have a few very good results.

And how about other forum favorites. Pagnoni? Wow, look at all those results! Safi? One result and 3 known botches. He's definitely worth $40k.

Safi and Alfaro suck. Pagnoni and ramieri aren't anything special I agree. Only reason to go with ramieri is that he is cheaper than other options in europe and is not a complete butcher. Pagnoni is only worth it if you need implants as well because he is very good at them and it is not too expensive to get bimax+implants with him. His bimax alone is overpriced.

 

[Pakicel]

what’s surprised me on here is how negative people are,

you don’t have to save up 40 grand and go to america or some italian guy to improve your looks

a reputable turkish plastic surgeon can and will help you accend even if it’s just a bit

Yes. If you are a gigarecessed truecel, even a mediocre surgeon could improve you. Not denying that. But most surgeons in Turkey are not blackpilled enough to give you an optimal result. And most don't use custom plates so they are limited in the kinds of movements they can do.

if you’re THAT negative you can’t see that then really and truly you might as well kys or accept escort maxxing

Roping is a perfectly valid solution to many problems and should never be completely ruled out. But it should never be your first choice. Chances are there are a lot of things you can do before roping makes the most sense.

Nothing wrong with escortcelling either. But it can get very expensive if you do it regularly over a few years. Best thing to do is looksmax to mtn-htn and then try to enter into an affordable betabuxxing arrangement with a HTB. Much cheaper than paying hundreds to an escort every few days.

 

[SlavicGeneral]

Isn’t CCw bimax a fix for downward growth?

No. It addresses your downward growth but can't completely fix it. Bimax also can't fix recessed upper maxilla meaning recessed upper portion of your face. Getting bimax as a result =/= properly developed face.

Ofc getting ccw will reduce downward growth and improve it, but the results are minimal in 90% of the casea.

 

[mrriceguyreturn]

thoughts on going to Turkey with Liam's guidance? The OBO case supposedly went well and it was done by the botcher Celal. It seems like they just can't perform on their own and need Giant to plan the surgery.

Getting surgeries in the west is just so expensive

Good luck reaching out to him @optimisticzoomer

 

[tren_31]

Exactly this. Kids on this forum are stupid as fuck and expect to spend their lifesavings to get the highest risk surgeries at the lowest cost to "become chad" when in reality most people need obo + lefort 2 to look "chad" and we all know they ain't getting none of that shit. So even if their plans end up working they're capped at mtn/htn. Imo that's an even bigger suifuel, getting to learn that you are not capable of becoming a chad and that even surgery can't help you.

Bimax is a meme surgery if you are not severely recessed provided it provides minimal aesthetic improvement in 80% of the cases simply because it does not fix the negative effects of improper development of maxilla (downward growth and more importantly upper maxila recession + infra recession). You'll have a 10-20% better jawline at the risk of getting botched for wageslaving for a year. Seems like a great deal lmao! All of this is being optimistic and working with a blackpilled surgeon, imagine a guy whose concern is fixing your medical function and you look exactly the same after surgery, these kids are guaranteed to go er after these surgeries, quote me on this.

you are right, I always say that but people are brainwashed and max out on cheap. There are several money glitches in RL where you will not get caught

 

[chief]

Why would you ever go to someone notorious for botches? You kids need parental guidance.

you don’t even know who i’m talking to

 

[longjohnmong]

you don’t even know who i’m talking to

The person you were talking about was talking about Celal, so either you were talking about him or you're retarded and were asking about someone's opinions on a surgeon they weren't even talking about without clarifying who you were talking about. In either case you're the retard.