Botched by GIANT Implants in turkey (Giant Responses Included)

[sham66]

I do yeah. You can ask me. I'll ask my boss about it and relay the answer

yess.
1) is it enjoyable? or atleast not soul crushing
2) is it extremely physically demanding? (need to ask this cuz its hard to do physically demanding work at 50)

 

[pat]

you must not have read the full story. I'll break it down for you


Patient Mistakes:
Potentially being a surgery addic,t thus not having proper expectations / not being able to be satisfied
Going back and forth between surgeons making it confusing
Assuming that there's no chance of an infection
Not waiting to be healed after the infection
Not knowing enough about what he was having done and how things look (this is both people's fault)

Mistakes Inside of this post :
misleading people to believe the implant made his skin sag when it was the infection
"leaving out critical details, some things he alleged are made up" idk if this is true and I'm not gonna just trust giant at his word but I think this should be mentioned

Giants Mistakes:
Lack of responsiveness
Clearly messed up the surgery
Clearly, making a bad implant design that did not look good in person, according to himself
Misschuedling him and not reimbursing him for anything
Dodging the consultation / ghosting him
Potentially not taking the proper precautions to make sure things have a minimal chance of being infected



I agree that giant is way more in the wrong in this instance due to the magnatifude of fuckups but both people are CLEARLY in the wrong

i dont know why he keeps going on about going back and fourth with surgeons. i have no idea where that came from. hes probably using that to make himself look better. why the would i go to another surgeon after spending 10s of thousands of dollars on giant/celal. it doesnt make sense. the only probably explanation is when i said i want to be assigned a new dr because i dont trust his crony drs who fucked me up along with himself. that doesnt take away giants responsibility to do said tasks. the amount of deflection and lack of accountability is insane. but why am i not surprised.

 

[fika2]

i dont know why he keeps going on about going back and fourth with surgeons. i have no idea where that came from. hes probably using that to make himself look better. why the would i go to another surgeon after spending 10s of thousands of dollars on giant/celal. it doesnt make sense. the only probably explanation is when i said i want to be assigned a new dr because i dont trust his crony drs who fucked me up along with himself. that doesnt take away giants responsibility to do said tasks. the amount of deflection and lack of accountability is insane. but why am i not surprised.

why not release the full chat logs if he's lying about that?

I don't see why he would lie about something that's so easily provable

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

yess.
1) is it enjoyable? or atleast not soul crushing
2) is it extremely physically demanding? (need to ask this cuz its hard to do physically demanding work at 50)

It does feel boring when you are crunching numbers. Most commercial projects also demand a lot of your time so if you pick those up be cautious about your health. They are very rewarding though.

It totally depends, but even the most physically demanding work is not comparable to rough trades. If you are afraid of that, better pick a design role in your team

 

[fika2]

Okay.

Hello pedophile nigga, can you post your results? @Ape101

On a more serious note, I've seen Giant's response to him and he seems very nice about everything. What if all of this is just a massive misunderstanding? Reading Giant's response doesn't tell me he's the narcissist that he's made out to be here.

was not expecting the sub admin to say this

 

[sham66]

It does feel boring when you are crunching numbers. Most commercial projects also demand a lot of your time so if you pick those up be cautious about your health. They are very rewarding though.

It totally depends, but even the most physically depending work is not comparable to rough trades. If you are afraid of that, better be a designer in your team

this sounds like a good career. tysm for ur informative responses

 

[fika2]

It does feel boring when you are crunching numbers. Most commercial projects also demand a lot of your time so if you pick those up be cautious about your health. They are very rewarding though.

It totally depends, but even the most physically depending work is not comparable to rough trades. If you are afraid of that, better be a designer in your team

Residential is king

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

Residential is king

Residnetial is not as hectic but the work better not have faults else word of mouth spreads and then one can kiss opportunities bye bye

 

[fika2]

Residnetial is not as hectic but the work better not have faults else word of mouth spreads and then one can kiss opportunities bye bye

im talking about how easy it is for the money your making
especially if ur a freelancer and getting ur own jobs

 

[sham66]

Residnetial is not as hectic but the work better not have faults else word of mouth spreads and then one can kiss opportunities bye bye

if u have a large social circle, then residential is super good. esp if u come from an immigrant background and live in a western country, ez market cuz they know u

 

[SteveRogers]

You left out some details that change the context a lot:

#1 – The main thing that matters: Your tissue quality due to previous infections​

First off, I explained to you numerous times that because you had a previous implant infection with prior surgeon you are high risk and the medical guidelines recommend a minimum of at least 12-18 months for replacement.

The standard replacement guidelines are 3-6 months after implant infection but with 2x implant infections 12-18. Look it up.

Every time I brought up the idea of waiting at least a year your reaction was so bad that I would say “maybe” and “we’ll see” if we can do it earlier but I always emphasized “that’s really pushing it.” I just wanted to get you through to the right time. Yes I was stalling you a little but every time I tried to tell you you’re not ready you just couldn’t take it. And I tried approaching the subject multiple times.

You had an area of skin so thin you could almost see through it, an area you had previously operated about 5 times. You thought we should operate ASAP but it’s the opposite. Against your demands, Dr Celal left it alone to heal and sure enough the skin quality has improved substantially over a year to the point it can withstand one more salvage operation. If we did surgery right when you demanded it that would have been the end of your jaw. That skin was on its last legs and you want us to put new implant that’s EVEN BIGGER. That would have busted open and exposed.



I really don’t see what’s so hard to understand about that but whenever I explained it you would accuse me of “gaslighting” and “changing the narrative.” I gave you all the logical reasons why and you rejected them all.

Now I admit that at first I was hoping we could do implant swap using the standard 3-6 months guidelines and that’s initially what I said but later I informed you that Dr Celal decided it wasn’t a good idea and he is absolutely right. For the reasons mentioned above.

#2 You were not left high and dry​

Your medical complications (infection) are completely resolved and we told you to come back for the immediate washout and implant removal surgery but you had it handled by your local hospital which is fine too.

For the secondary corrections you had to wait for the tissue quality to improve the medical reasons as mentioned above.

• You had a free revision surgery offered by Dr Celal and when our assistant doctor told you it would have a cost I stepped in to help you and made sure you wont have a cost.
• I offered you free implants replacement AND additional skull implants you wanted as a gift for what you’ve been through

I showed you the new implant design and had it ready since October or November. That’s not the issue. You are just not physically ready for surgery. There’s no way for me to help that. If I never planned on helping with your revision I wouldn’t have bothered:

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Our assistant doctor is supposed to be handling all the communication anyway but I even gave you my personal WhatsApp number and we have exchanged maybe 1000+ messages over the last year and response time is usually no more than a few days for you. I only ever stopped responding when you threatened me or told me to F off and you'd come back later shocked that I actually did.

You called the surgery off multiple times that I can remember:

• You would tell me to forget it and F off, block me on Instagram, and then come back surprised we weren’t expecting you.
• Then you told me you would use a surgeon in (your home country) then came back surprised we weren’t expecting you.
• Then you told me you will just use a different designer and Celal will do it and then come back surprised I wasn’t expecting you.
• Most recently (about a week ago) I told you that I will get back to you after the weekend so you told me to just forget it because you’re full steam ahead on writing bad reviews. Then you texted me later that week shocked I never responded.

I see now all these were just threats in an attempt to get surgery sooner, just like everything else including the legal threats and bad reviews, but that's not helpful and has only made everything worse for us but especially you.

#3 The missed surgery day​

I told our asst doctor I won’t be back in Dec and to reschedule the surgeries. He rescheduled most of them but forgot to reschedule 2 of them. Yours and one other. Yep, huge fuckup.

When you texted me you’re in Istanbul I thought you were just rubbing in my face that you are going ahead with surgery anyway against all my advice with their other designer you told/threatened me about. That’s why I just answered “How’s that?”

Once you clarified what happened I really couldn’t believe it and I told you I’m sorry and will pay for your next flight back but that surgery needs to be at least 1yr after the infection.

#4 The aesthetic outcome: You are an extreme case​

• You admitted there are parts of the result you like and consider improvements but they have been understandably overshadowed by medical complications.
• You had and have extremely unnatural implants. Plain and simple. You are not a normal case and your implants stick out like a sore thumb among all my other cases and for the next ones you want to go larger. Its cool, its interesting, but its high risk.

You don’t have natural aesthetic at all you have some surgeries that are borderline body modifications like the whole elf ears thing and the tattooed eyes, not to mention all the previous implants you came with already. I’m not saying this in a disrespectful way at all or even saying it looks bad but it's not natural and you know that. I’m saying this to point out you’re a big risk taker, and to come here as a quarternary or maybe quinary revision case (4x or 5x revision) and try to fear monger the average looksmax patient getting a more natural surgery or safe size implants will deal with these complications is misleading.

A normal patient getting an infection would have replacement in 3-6 months (its already happened, and we fixed it already) but someone who’s had 20 plastic surgeries, some of them complicated, is a different story… We’re doing the best we can… You don’t seem to understand the more surgeries & previous complications you had, the more risk and more careful we have to be.

And even with all that, I didn’t get defensive or make excuses or blame you in followup when you told me you didn’t like the look of the cheekbones. I just said okay that’s fine I’ll make new ones for you, and I did.

#5 You wanted more surgery not just revision surgery​

You also came to me about skull implants and I was happy to help you with that and I wasn’t even gonna charge anything for all you been through. But my terms were: Surgery needs to be in at least one year after infection.

It’s one thing if you just came back for the revision because you felt there was no other option to get it fixed.

But if I am so bad, as you said have "Negative 0 clue what I'm doing" why would you get additional major surgeries with us and designed by me?

You even admitted there are parts of the result you like and consider improvements but they have been understandably overshadowed by medical complications.

You have seen multiple of my results and showed me the awful design proposals by other services. You know I'm good at this. I cant help the medical complications or your tissue quality.

#6 Getting cancelled​

The first night I got back to Istanbul (a week ago) Dr Celal, Dr Serdar, and I went to dinner to talk about upcoming cases and I even sent you a friendly pic of all of us around the table and invited you to have a zoom with us about your upcoming revision.

You tried to SUE dr celal for medical complications and gave me no more than a week of being back in Istanbul to write in intentionally bad as possible horror story leaving out KEY details.

Your own lawyer told you that you can’t talk to dr celal anymore.

How are we able to help you now????????

Physically your body needed to wait for surgery, but emotionally/psychologically I guess you just couldn’t hold on any longer. Tricky situation…

 

[Lefor3Laser]

As it turns out, it wasn't Giant performing the surgery. It's another surgeon, one in Turkey, who operated on him because they wouldn't do this operation elsewhere. Giant just designed the implants that were used.

Yes but giant is there to assist, so basically surgeons wouldn't do anything with out his saying.

 

[pat]

already replied on that thread.

 

[pat]

why not release the full chat logs if he's lying about that?

I don't see why he would lie about something that's so easily provable

im here to share my expereance. some people will believe me some wont. i got nothiing to gain from this. the psycological rollarcoaster, financial and physical damage has already been done.

there is literally a years worth and hundreds of screenshots. i have shared so much already. the only time i suggested another dr was because i was fearful of the qualifications of the dr. i was told the dr is more than qualified and i left it at that. the fact that he says i was running around different drs is crazy. nooone does that when they paid all that money.

i came to giant to customise my implants that were either non custom or semi custom from previous surgery. the results were made worse than before. so bad that my standard/semi custom silastic implants and medpor looked ten times better. there is not even one ounce of ascension to my face after nearly 19 months. not one. how the hell does that happen when this guy gloats about how precise he is and how he fixes gods mistakes and fixes other subpar designs. dont be fooled by the pictures he posts of me. once swelling goes away, the tissues drop, laxity begins, irregularities show and finally the shape is seen. my face was made more compact, overall shape more rounded and less anguler, mandible ruined, i lost my cheek implants ( and i stress this point. they were so bad that removing them and dealing with the laxity was much more better than keeping them, only by comparison, both outcomes are bad). and he is very well aware of this. i will prove this eventually when i get this shit fixed by an actual proper dr and designer. you want to go to giant. please go for it. im not stopping you. i wish you the best of luck.

im only sharing my experience. take what you want from it. or nothing at alll

 

[jon_chase89]

im pretty sure epply uses silicone

Eppley didn't do his jaw

 

[Forget it]

I’m amazed at the cognitive dissonance here for giant.

He is incompetent. Made designs that when fitted were a disaster. Left patients stranded after conning them and ruining their life. Turkish surgeon is incompetent. Misplaced implants, external scars, unsterile OR lead to infection, has no prior experience here, allegedly is a “dentist” learning these procedures as he goes (not the same Maxfax training in Turkey afaik)

You’re all starry eyed for Giant and any surgeons for their perceived authority. Constantly patient blaming where there is no sense that a patient is expected to know nor have the responsibility for surgery done to him while he is unconscious ffs!

What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence.

Pearls to pigs

 

[pat]

I’m amazed at the cognitive dissonance here for giant.

He is incompetent. Made designs that when fitted were a disaster. Left patients stranded after conning them and ruining their life. Turkish surgeon is incompetent. Misplaced implants, external scars, unsterile OR lead to infection, has no prior experience here, allegedly is a “dentist” learning these procedures as he goes (not the same Maxfax training in Turkey afaik)

You’re all starry eyed for Giant and any surgeons for their perceived authority. Constantly patient blaming where there is no sense that a patient is expected to know nor have the responsibility for surgery done to him while he is unconscious ffs!

What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence.

Pearls to pigs

THIS

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

trusting a basement schizo with no medical or enginering degree and 3rd world country surgeon who you cant sue him if you got botched is retarded. i wasnt upset nigga. deserved

 

[fika2]

im here to share my expereance. some people will believe me some wont. i got nothiing to gain from this. the psycological rollarcoaster, financial and physical damage has already been done.

there is literally a years worth and hundreds of screenshots. i have shared so much already. the only time i suggested another dr was because i was fearful of the qualifications of the dr. i was told the dr is more than qualified and i left it at that. the fact that he says i was running around different drs is crazy. nooone does that when they paid all that money.

i came to giant to customise my implants that were either non custom or semi custom from previous surgery. the results were made worse than before. so bad that my standard/semi custom silastic implants and medpor looked ten times better. there is not even one ounce of ascension to my face after nearly 19 months. not one. how the hell does that happen when this guy gloats about how precise he is and how he fixes gods mistakes and fixes other subpar designs. dont be fooled by the pictures he posts of me. once swelling goes away, the tissues drop, laxity begins, irregularities show and finally the shape is seen. my face was made more compact, overall shape more rounded and less anguler, mandible ruined, i lost my cheek implants ( and i stress this point. they were so bad that removing them and dealing with the laxity was much more better than keeping them, only by comparison, both outcomes are bad). and he is very well aware of this. i will prove this eventually when i get this shit fixed by an actual proper dr and designer. you want to go to giant. please go for it. im not stopping you. i wish you the best of luck.

im only sharing my experience. take what you want from it. or nothing at alll

yeah fair enough. i actually totally get it. not wanting to put more time and effort into the post when u really have nothing to gain.

it would help a lot of strangers out if u sent a screen recording of your full convo or did a full break down but I totally understand why u wouldn't wanna put in all that effort cuz who gives af about strangers especially when u made a brief post and responses about ur experience.

I'm still going to giant because I think he's the best blackpilled surgeon and I haven't found anyone else who does what he does. but it does seem like you got a back experience.

one last thing id also like to mention is if he really has done so many cases your one of the few who has had a really bad experience and has come out publically. tbh that makes me want to go to him more, considering there's bound to be someone he really does dirty if he really has done thousands of surgeries.

really sucks that it happened to you though. and like I said before he's way more in the wrong than you are in this case

 

[fika2]

trusting a basement schizo with no medical or enginering degree and 3rd world country surgeon who you cant sue him if you got botched is retarded. i wasnt upset nigga. deserved

so many ppl say this but hes pioneered the surgical looksmaxing space.
he can be both a fuckup in this case and be a good surgery planner at the same time.


so many ppl say shit like "he has no medical license" or some gay shit. he's made multiple custom and innovative solutions for surgery. he's also had some crazy before and afters. to discredit everything is insane.
but he did fuck up this dude to some degree that was his fault it seems like.

 

[fika2]

I’m amazed at the cognitive dissonance here for giant.

He is incompetent. Made designs that when fitted were a disaster. Left patients stranded after conning them and ruining their life. Turkish surgeon is incompetent. Misplaced implants, external scars, unsterile OR lead to infection, has no prior experience here, allegedly is a “dentist” learning these procedures as he goes (not the same Maxfax training in Turkey afaik)

You’re all starry eyed for Giant and any surgeons for their perceived authority. Constantly patient blaming where there is no sense that a patient is expected to know nor have the responsibility for surgery done to him while he is unconscious ffs!

What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence.

Pearls to pigs

low iq activities

- Not a licensed doctor
- still chooses him

Sorry to hear of all the trouble you had.
It’s very hard for a patient to come forward. Thanks for doing it. Most don’t.

Could sense a lot of arrogance from Giant from day1 on these forums. Knew he was assuming a lot and hadn’t learned or had experience yet was talking as he was the best in the world.

I wonder how many of his patients have been destroyed for his ego vanity project.

Doctors in general will mostly deflect when there’s a problem. The patient is always seen as difficult etc.

Just not worth it. Better to be ugly
Good luck with all

trusting a basement schizo with no medical or enginering degree and 3rd world country surgeon who you cant sue him if you got botched is retarded. i wasnt upset nigga. deserved

so many ppl say this but hes pioneered the surgical looksmaxing space.
he can be both a fuckup in this case and be a good surgery planner at the same time.


so many ppl say shit like "he has no medical license" or some gay shit. he's made multiple custom and innovative solutions for surgery. he's also had some crazy before and afters. to discredit everything is insane.


It seems like he did fuck up this dude to some degree that was his fault but at the same time the alternative doctors also all have botched patients

at the end of the day he's still probably the best surgery planner for blackpilled people but if u don't wanna work with him ig that's fine. cheaper surgery and shorter waiting list for me

 

[pat]

yeah fair enough. i actually totally get it. not wanting to put more time and effort into the post when u really have nothing to gain.

it would help a lot of strangers out if u sent a screen recording of your full convo or did a full break down but I totally understand why u wouldn't wanna put in all that effort cuz who gives af about strangers especially when u made a brief post and responses about ur experience.

I'm still going to giant because I think he's the best blackpilled surgeon and I haven't found anyone else who does what he does. but it does seem like you got a back experience.

one last thing id also like to mention is if he really has done so many cases your one of the few who has had a really bad experience and has come out publically. tbh that makes me want to go to him more, considering there's bound to be someone he really does dirty if he really has done thousands of surgeries.

really sucks that it happened to you though. and like I said before he's way more in the wrong than you are in this case

i refer you to comment #267 from another member @Forget it and i quote

"What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence"

i truly wish you the best. you have already made up your mind and what you are really trying to do is to be convinced you are making the right decision because you are apprehensive. it doesnt matter what i say so go right ahead. do not let my experiance get in your way. in fact i wont even be surprised my medical records will be shared like recent people have told me so.

1000s of surgeries? you are dreaming.

 

[fika2]

i refer you to comment #267 from another member @fika2 and i quote

"What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence"

i truly wish you the best. you have already made up your mind and what you are really trying to do is to be convinced you are making the right decision because you are apprehensive. it doesnt matter what i say so go right ahead. do not let my experiance get in your way. in fact i wont even be surprised my medical records will be shared like recent people have told me so.

I don't even understand what that means.

i understand with giant there's chances of life-altering complications but I don't think any other surgeon can do what he plans. so I'm willing to take the risk and pray to gandy that I don't get fucked up like you guys. If I thought the risk to reward ratio was too low I would go with another surgeon

for me. its ascend or LDAR and I've already LDARed for way too long

 

[pat]

I don't even understand what that means.

i understand with giant there's chances of life-altering complications but I don't think any other surgeon can do what he plans. so I'm willing to take the risk and pray to gandy that I don't get fucked up like you guys. If I thought the risk to reward ratio was too low I would go with another surgeon

for me. its ascend or LDAR and I've already LDARed for way too long

tagged the wrong person sorry. edited now

 

[dongle344]

Man it always ends like this, that's why I despise hardmaxx in as another guy already mentioned it you need mental help and you've needed it for awhile. You seem well off get it fixed by a reputable doctor then start therapy and live a good life.

 

[fika2]

tagged the wrong person sorry. edited now

ahh, your not even wrong. if you presented me with an option that's just as good as him I would go to that doctor instead.

i just don't think my stuff will be as risky as yours was.

 

[fika2]

Man it always ends like this, that's why I despise hardmaxx in as another guy already mentioned it you need mental help and you've needed it for awhile. You seem well off get it fixed by a reputable doctor then start therapy and live a good life.

grey despises hard maxing when its really the only thing you can do to ascend significantly. not surprised

 

[chrishell]

ahh, your not even wrong. if you presented me with an option that's just as good as him I would go to that doctor instead.

i just don't think my stuff will be as risky as yours was.

what surgeries you gonna get

 

[BM7]

Pat, can u take a picture of your mouth? I want to see your gums

@pat ???

 

[Lefor3Laser]

so many ppl say this but hes pioneered the surgical looksmaxing space.
he can be both a fuckup in this case and be a good surgery planner at the same time.


so many ppl say shit like "he has no medical license" or some gay shit. he's made multiple custom and innovative solutions for surgery. he's also had some crazy before and afters. to discredit everything is insane.
but he did fuck up this dude to some degree that was his fault it seems like.

Many people are afraid to speak up, and a significant number who support the botch may be dealing with mental health challenges. There are quite a few cases, though I will not mention specifics because of the website rules, that clearly fall outside what is considered normal. In addition, many of these situations come with poor return on investment.

 

[savemebimax]

Man it always ends like this, that's why I despise hardmaxx in as another guy already mentioned it you need mental help and you've needed it for awhile. You seem well off get it fixed by a reputable doctor then start therapy and live a good life.

Just because some people go too far with it(this case) doesn't change the fact it is a life changing surgery for most and absolutely is worth the risk.

 

[dongle344]

grey despises hard maxing when its really the only thing you can do to ascend significantly. not surprised

if hardmaxing is the only thing you can do you're already cooked settle down for a normie life and avoid the unnecessary mental illness.

 

[fika2]

I agree, i feel very bad but i wonder how people follow random peoples reccomendations for such life changing surgerys so blindly, yes surgery can be sucessful however even the most experienced surgeons have caused multiple botched results. Its just not an industry thats at a level of quality assurance of which anyone should really trust for such surgerys at this time, as technology develops and surgery becomes much more reliable im sure it will become not only more trustworthy but also cheaper, but at this time it just doesnt seem that the risk is worth the reward, having a slightly better feature isnt worth the chance of having your whole future ruined. furthermore many surgeries cause health problems along with faded results in the future. The high price tag should be a warning that this practice is so risky not only to the patient but to the surgeons reputation, which is why there are so few who can or will provide the service for you.

awful take. hardmaxing is law. its ascend or ldar for us ltns and below

 

[fika2]

Many people are afraid to speak up, and a significant number who support the botch may be dealing with mental health challenges. There are quite a few cases, though I will not mention specifics because of the website rules, that clearly fall outside what is considered normal. In addition, many of these situations come with poor return on investment.

I understand some ppl wont speak up but if giant has had a lot of patients over the past years id expect more than 2 to speak up assuming they got botched

 

[fika2]

if hardmaxing is the only thing you can do you're already cooked settle down for a normie life and avoid the unnecessary mental illness.

why would i settle for a normal life when I can ascend and have an amazing one?
I'm not mentally ill its a logical decision

 

[fika2]

Just because some people go too far with it(this case) doesn't change the fact it is a life changing surgery for most and absolutely is worth the risk.

finally a good take. all how tf are so many ppl against surgery on .org its insane

 

[fika2]

what surgeries you gonna get

trimax, gonion implants, undereye and cheekbone implant
dead serious, not larping and I can afford it + have the time. just waiting on the consultation times and have already gotten 2 surgeries

 

[BM7]

Gum pictures?

 

[kingofkings]

A surprising number of people are commenting but don't seem to have picked up on:

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

2. A soft tissue infection is technically not a "botch"/surgical error. No mistake was made here. Rather, it's an unfortunate inherent risk of jaw implant procedures. Some folks are naturally more susceptible to infections than others, and Pat even has a documented history of infection complications.

So the two biggest problems in terms of the outcome are not actually Giant's fault. Of course, what is Giant's fault is his unacceptably poor communication with the patient. The situation where he arranged for Pat to travel to another country only to fail to show up is also particularly egregious.

I was actually considering Giant for a procedure but quite frankly this has put me right off. Not so much because of the outcome - all surgeries have risks and these seemed like bad luck but rather the disturbing communication patterns. If something goes wrong and you need a revision you don't want to be getting ignored/ghosted/sent to another country for nothing.

 

[BM7]

A surprising number of people are commenting but don't seem to have picked up on:

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

2. A soft tissue infection is technically not a "botch"/surgical error. No mistake way made here. Rather, it's an unfortunate inherent risk of jaw implant procedures. Some folks are naturally more susceptible to infections than others, and Pat even has a documented history of infection complications.

So the two biggest problems in terms of the outcome are not actually Giant's fault. Of course, what is Giant's fault is his unacceptably poor communication with the patient. The situation where he arranged for Pat to travel to another country only to fail to show up is also particularly egregious.

I was actually considering Giant for a procedure but quite frankly this has put me right off. Not so much because of the outcome - all surgeries have risks and these seemed like bad luck but rather the disturbing communication patterns. If something goes wrong and you need a revision you don't want to be getting ignored/ghosted/sent to another country for nothing.

I agree.

and... I'm constantly requesting gum pictures because I suspect he doesn't have healthy periodontal tissue, which significantly influences surgical outcomes and increases the risk of infections.

Moreover, Giant's implants are the best in terms of shape. Unlike polyethylene and silicone implants, which only look good in the mandible and chin (when properly placed), all patients who chose Giant's implants achieved good anatomical outcomes.

Even he(pat) developed an infection. The side where there was no infection is excellent, as are the implants in the maxilla.

 

[fika2]

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

Apparently he was telling the doctors how to place them and where to place them

2. A soft tissue infection is technically not a "botch"/surgical error. No mistake was made here. Rather, it's an unfortunate inherent risk of jaw implant procedures. Some folks are naturally more susceptible to infections than others, and Pat even has a documented history of infection complications.

So the two biggest problems in terms of the outcome are not actually Giant's fault. Of course, what is Giant's fault is his unacceptably poor communication with the patient. The situation where he arranged for Pat to travel to another country only to fail to show up is also particularly egregious.

I was actually considering Giant for a procedure but quite frankly this has put me right off. Not so much because of the outcome - all surgeries have risks and these seemed like bad luck but rather the disturbing communication patterns. If something goes wrong and you need a revision you don't want to be getting ignored/ghosted/sent to another country for nothing.

100% agreed

 

[kingofkings]

Apparently he was telling the doctors how to place them and where to place them

It's got nothing to do with that. The fact of the matter is jaw angle implants are notoriously difficult to place correctly.

Eppley told me in a consultation 1 in 3 cases get placed incorrectly and it's why he prefers those wraparound implants as the whole shape locks into position.

That's also presumably why Giant suggested a wraparound implant for the revision

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I understand some ppl wont speak up but if giant has had a lot of patients over the past years id expect more than 2 to speak up assuming they got botched

Well they did, i suppose not many use this forum, on this forum i saw only 2 speak out, don't know if there's more, that's only what i've seen.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

The thing is that giant is there to assist the surgeon and how to place the implants, so technically he is.

Also another thing to add, it depends on every individual, but alot of his results are:
a) underwhelming
b) botched (uncanny or literally botched)
c) not a big change
d) few good (this is much rare)

This is my personal view ofc.

 

[kingofkings]

The thing is that giant is there to assist the surgeon and how to place the implants, so technically he is.

Respectfully, I don't think you understand the mechanics here.

The surgeon:

1. Makes the incision
2. Physically and literally places the jaw angle inside the pocket
3. Screws it in place

Giant doesn't do any of that. So, yeah, Giant might be there "assisting" and "advising", but steps 1 to 3 are the surgeon actually doing it. It's not some magic special instructions that Giant has gotten wrong. Jaw angle implants are routinely placed incorrectly anyway, it's technically very difficult, even for someone like Eppley who's done so many of them.

Also another thing to add, it depends on every individual, but alot of his results are:
a) underwhelming
b) botched (uncanny or literally botched)
c) not a big change
d) few good (this is much rare)

This is my personal view ofc.

I agree. For me a lot of the mystique behind Giant has gone away now I've seen a bunch of his results. But I don't think he's incompetent, far from it. I just think most facial implants look shit no matter who designs them. This forum places too much emphasis on "features" like a strong jaw and angular cheekbones, rather than the harmony of how it all flows together.

 

[fika2]

Well they did, i suppose not many use this forum, on this forum i saw only 2 speak out, don't know if there's more, that's only what i've seen.

bruh you said"well they did" and then only cite the 2 ppl which was exactly what I said

 

[fika2]

It's got nothing to do with that. The fact of the matter is jaw angle implants are notoriously difficult to place correctly.

Eppley told me in a consultation 1 in 3 cases get placed incorrectly and it's why he prefers those wraparound implants as the whole shape locks into position.

That's also presumably why Giant suggested a wraparound implant for the revision

makes sense. I didnt know that. I went to epply but ig I'm still at the early stages

 

[Snicket]

Respectfully, I don't think you understand the mechanics here.

The surgeon:

1. Makes the incision
2. Physically and literally places the jaw angle inside the pocket
3. Screws it in place

Giant doesn't do any of that. So, yeah, Giant might be there "assisting" and "advising", but steps 1 to 3 are the surgeon actually doing it. It's not some magic special instructions that Giant has gotten wrong. Jaw angle implants are routinely placed incorrectly anyway, it's technically very difficult, even for someone like Eppley who's done so many of them.

My understanding is that Giant does the surgical planning and has even designed his own osteotomies.
I think he has applied for a patent for his own OBO technique that doesn't make use of a frontal craniotomy.
So it's more than simply an advisory or assistant role.

 

[Angutoid]

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

What is him assisting the surgery in the operating room for you think

 

[Jesterpilled]

i havent read the whole thread but why are people trusting someone named 'giant implants' with a meme pfp, it seems about as untrustworthy as it gets, also my condolences for the damage done

because he posts some actual good results and is backed up by like Clav but still rip to this guy