Botched by GIANT Implants in turkey (Giant Responses Included)

[fika2]

i dont know why he keeps going on about going back and fourth with surgeons. i have no idea where that came from. hes probably using that to make himself look better. why the would i go to another surgeon after spending 10s of thousands of dollars on giant/celal. it doesnt make sense. the only probably explanation is when i said i want to be assigned a new dr because i dont trust his crony drs who fucked me up along with himself. that doesnt take away giants responsibility to do said tasks. the amount of deflection and lack of accountability is insane. but why am i not surprised.

why not release the full chat logs if he's lying about that?

I don't see why he would lie about something that's so easily provable

 

[Deleted member 131140]

yess.
1) is it enjoyable? or atleast not soul crushing
2) is it extremely physically demanding? (need to ask this cuz its hard to do physically demanding work at 50)

It does feel boring when you are crunching numbers. Most commercial projects also demand a lot of your time so if you pick those up be cautious about your health. They are very rewarding though.

It totally depends, but even the most physically demanding work is not comparable to rough trades. If you are afraid of that, better pick a design role in your team

 

[fika2]

Okay.

Hello pedophile nigga, can you post your results? @Ape101

On a more serious note, I've seen Giant's response to him and he seems very nice about everything. What if all of this is just a massive misunderstanding? Reading Giant's response doesn't tell me he's the narcissist that he's made out to be here.

was not expecting the sub admin to say this

 

[sham66]

It does feel boring when you are crunching numbers. Most commercial projects also demand a lot of your time so if you pick those up be cautious about your health. They are very rewarding though.

It totally depends, but even the most physically depending work is not comparable to rough trades. If you are afraid of that, better be a designer in your team

this sounds like a good career. tysm for ur informative responses

 

[fika2]

It does feel boring when you are crunching numbers. Most commercial projects also demand a lot of your time so if you pick those up be cautious about your health. They are very rewarding though.

It totally depends, but even the most physically depending work is not comparable to rough trades. If you are afraid of that, better be a designer in your team

Residential is king

 

[Deleted member 131140]

Residential is king

Residnetial is not as hectic but the work better not have faults else word of mouth spreads and then one can kiss opportunities bye bye

 

[fika2]

Residnetial is not as hectic but the work better not have faults else word of mouth spreads and then one can kiss opportunities bye bye

im talking about how easy it is for the money your making
especially if ur a freelancer and getting ur own jobs

 

[sham66]

Residnetial is not as hectic but the work better not have faults else word of mouth spreads and then one can kiss opportunities bye bye

if u have a large social circle, then residential is super good. esp if u come from an immigrant background and live in a western country, ez market cuz they know u

 

[SteveRogers]

You left out some details that change the context a lot:

#1 – The main thing that matters: Your tissue quality due to previous infections​

First off, I explained to you numerous times that because you had a previous implant infection with prior surgeon you are high risk and the medical guidelines recommend a minimum of at least 12-18 months for replacement.

The standard replacement guidelines are 3-6 months after implant infection but with 2x implant infections 12-18. Look it up.

Every time I brought up the idea of waiting at least a year your reaction was so bad that I would say “maybe” and “we’ll see” if we can do it earlier but I always emphasized “that’s really pushing it.” I just wanted to get you through to the right time. Yes I was stalling you a little but every time I tried to tell you you’re not ready you just couldn’t take it. And I tried approaching the subject multiple times.

You had an area of skin so thin you could almost see through it, an area you had previously operated about 5 times. You thought we should operate ASAP but it’s the opposite. Against your demands, Dr Celal left it alone to heal and sure enough the skin quality has improved substantially over a year to the point it can withstand one more salvage operation. If we did surgery right when you demanded it that would have been the end of your jaw. That skin was on its last legs and you want us to put new implant that’s EVEN BIGGER. That would have busted open and exposed.



I really don’t see what’s so hard to understand about that but whenever I explained it you would accuse me of “gaslighting” and “changing the narrative.” I gave you all the logical reasons why and you rejected them all.

Now I admit that at first I was hoping we could do implant swap using the standard 3-6 months guidelines and that’s initially what I said but later I informed you that Dr Celal decided it wasn’t a good idea and he is absolutely right. For the reasons mentioned above.

#2 You were not left high and dry​

Your medical complications (infection) are completely resolved and we told you to come back for the immediate washout and implant removal surgery but you had it handled by your local hospital which is fine too.

For the secondary corrections you had to wait for the tissue quality to improve the medical reasons as mentioned above.

• You had a free revision surgery offered by Dr Celal and when our assistant doctor told you it would have a cost I stepped in to help you and made sure you wont have a cost.
• I offered you free implants replacement AND additional skull implants you wanted as a gift for what you’ve been through

I showed you the new implant design and had it ready since October or November. That’s not the issue. You are just not physically ready for surgery. There’s no way for me to help that. If I never planned on helping with your revision I wouldn’t have bothered:

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Our assistant doctor is supposed to be handling all the communication anyway but I even gave you my personal WhatsApp number and we have exchanged maybe 1000+ messages over the last year and response time is usually no more than a few days for you. I only ever stopped responding when you threatened me or told me to F off and you'd come back later shocked that I actually did.

You called the surgery off multiple times that I can remember:

• You would tell me to forget it and F off, block me on Instagram, and then come back surprised we weren’t expecting you.
• Then you told me you would use a surgeon in (your home country) then came back surprised we weren’t expecting you.
• Then you told me you will just use a different designer and Celal will do it and then come back surprised I wasn’t expecting you.
• Most recently (about a week ago) I told you that I will get back to you after the weekend so you told me to just forget it because you’re full steam ahead on writing bad reviews. Then you texted me later that week shocked I never responded.

I see now all these were just threats in an attempt to get surgery sooner, just like everything else including the legal threats and bad reviews, but that's not helpful and has only made everything worse for us but especially you.

#3 The missed surgery day​

I told our asst doctor I won’t be back in Dec and to reschedule the surgeries. He rescheduled most of them but forgot to reschedule 2 of them. Yours and one other. Yep, huge fuckup.

When you texted me you’re in Istanbul I thought you were just rubbing in my face that you are going ahead with surgery anyway against all my advice with their other designer you told/threatened me about. That’s why I just answered “How’s that?”

Once you clarified what happened I really couldn’t believe it and I told you I’m sorry and will pay for your next flight back but that surgery needs to be at least 1yr after the infection.

#4 The aesthetic outcome: You are an extreme case​

• You admitted there are parts of the result you like and consider improvements but they have been understandably overshadowed by medical complications.
• You had and have extremely unnatural implants. Plain and simple. You are not a normal case and your implants stick out like a sore thumb among all my other cases and for the next ones you want to go larger. Its cool, its interesting, but its high risk.

You don’t have natural aesthetic at all you have some surgeries that are borderline body modifications like the whole elf ears thing and the tattooed eyes, not to mention all the previous implants you came with already. I’m not saying this in a disrespectful way at all or even saying it looks bad but it's not natural and you know that. I’m saying this to point out you’re a big risk taker, and to come here as a quarternary or maybe quinary revision case (4x or 5x revision) and try to fear monger the average looksmax patient getting a more natural surgery or safe size implants will deal with these complications is misleading.

A normal patient getting an infection would have replacement in 3-6 months (its already happened, and we fixed it already) but someone who’s had 20 plastic surgeries, some of them complicated, is a different story… We’re doing the best we can… You don’t seem to understand the more surgeries & previous complications you had, the more risk and more careful we have to be.

And even with all that, I didn’t get defensive or make excuses or blame you in followup when you told me you didn’t like the look of the cheekbones. I just said okay that’s fine I’ll make new ones for you, and I did.

#5 You wanted more surgery not just revision surgery​

You also came to me about skull implants and I was happy to help you with that and I wasn’t even gonna charge anything for all you been through. But my terms were: Surgery needs to be in at least one year after infection.

It’s one thing if you just came back for the revision because you felt there was no other option to get it fixed.

But if I am so bad, as you said have "Negative 0 clue what I'm doing" why would you get additional major surgeries with us and designed by me?

You even admitted there are parts of the result you like and consider improvements but they have been understandably overshadowed by medical complications.

You have seen multiple of my results and showed me the awful design proposals by other services. You know I'm good at this. I cant help the medical complications or your tissue quality.

#6 Getting cancelled​

The first night I got back to Istanbul (a week ago) Dr Celal, Dr Serdar, and I went to dinner to talk about upcoming cases and I even sent you a friendly pic of all of us around the table and invited you to have a zoom with us about your upcoming revision.

You tried to SUE dr celal for medical complications and gave me no more than a week of being back in Istanbul to write in intentionally bad as possible horror story leaving out KEY details.

Your own lawyer told you that you can’t talk to dr celal anymore.

How are we able to help you now????????

Physically your body needed to wait for surgery, but emotionally/psychologically I guess you just couldn’t hold on any longer. Tricky situation…

 

[Lefor3Laser]

As it turns out, it wasn't Giant performing the surgery. It's another surgeon, one in Turkey, who operated on him because they wouldn't do this operation elsewhere. Giant just designed the implants that were used.

Yes but giant is there to assist, so basically surgeons wouldn't do anything with out his saying.

 

[pat]

already replied on that thread.

 

[pat]

why not release the full chat logs if he's lying about that?

I don't see why he would lie about something that's so easily provable

im here to share my expereance. some people will believe me some wont. i got nothiing to gain from this. the psycological rollarcoaster, financial and physical damage has already been done.

there is literally a years worth and hundreds of screenshots. i have shared so much already. the only time i suggested another dr was because i was fearful of the qualifications of the dr. i was told the dr is more than qualified and i left it at that. the fact that he says i was running around different drs is crazy. nooone does that when they paid all that money.

i came to giant to customise my implants that were either non custom or semi custom from previous surgery. the results were made worse than before. so bad that my standard/semi custom silastic implants and medpor looked ten times better. there is not even one ounce of ascension to my face after nearly 19 months. not one. how the hell does that happen when this guy gloats about how precise he is and how he fixes gods mistakes and fixes other subpar designs. dont be fooled by the pictures he posts of me. once swelling goes away, the tissues drop, laxity begins, irregularities show and finally the shape is seen. my face was made more compact, overall shape more rounded and less anguler, mandible ruined, i lost my cheek implants ( and i stress this point. they were so bad that removing them and dealing with the laxity was much more better than keeping them, only by comparison, both outcomes are bad). and he is very well aware of this. i will prove this eventually when i get this shit fixed by an actual proper dr and designer. you want to go to giant. please go for it. im not stopping you. i wish you the best of luck.

im only sharing my experience. take what you want from it. or nothing at alll

 

[jon_chase89]

im pretty sure epply uses silicone

Eppley didn't do his jaw

 

[Forget it]

I’m amazed at the cognitive dissonance here for giant.

He is incompetent. Made designs that when fitted were a disaster. Left patients stranded after conning them and ruining their life. Turkish surgeon is incompetent. Misplaced implants, external scars, unsterile OR lead to infection, has no prior experience here, allegedly is a “dentist” learning these procedures as he goes (not the same Maxfax training in Turkey afaik)

You’re all starry eyed for Giant and any surgeons for their perceived authority. Constantly patient blaming where there is no sense that a patient is expected to know nor have the responsibility for surgery done to him while he is unconscious ffs!

What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence.

Pearls to pigs

 

[pat]

I’m amazed at the cognitive dissonance here for giant.

He is incompetent. Made designs that when fitted were a disaster. Left patients stranded after conning them and ruining their life. Turkish surgeon is incompetent. Misplaced implants, external scars, unsterile OR lead to infection, has no prior experience here, allegedly is a “dentist” learning these procedures as he goes (not the same Maxfax training in Turkey afaik)

You’re all starry eyed for Giant and any surgeons for their perceived authority. Constantly patient blaming where there is no sense that a patient is expected to know nor have the responsibility for surgery done to him while he is unconscious ffs!

What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence.

Pearls to pigs

THIS

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

trusting a basement schizo with no medical or enginering degree and 3rd world country surgeon who you cant sue him if you got botched is retarded. i wasnt upset nigga. deserved

 

[fika2]

im here to share my expereance. some people will believe me some wont. i got nothiing to gain from this. the psycological rollarcoaster, financial and physical damage has already been done.

there is literally a years worth and hundreds of screenshots. i have shared so much already. the only time i suggested another dr was because i was fearful of the qualifications of the dr. i was told the dr is more than qualified and i left it at that. the fact that he says i was running around different drs is crazy. nooone does that when they paid all that money.

i came to giant to customise my implants that were either non custom or semi custom from previous surgery. the results were made worse than before. so bad that my standard/semi custom silastic implants and medpor looked ten times better. there is not even one ounce of ascension to my face after nearly 19 months. not one. how the hell does that happen when this guy gloats about how precise he is and how he fixes gods mistakes and fixes other subpar designs. dont be fooled by the pictures he posts of me. once swelling goes away, the tissues drop, laxity begins, irregularities show and finally the shape is seen. my face was made more compact, overall shape more rounded and less anguler, mandible ruined, i lost my cheek implants ( and i stress this point. they were so bad that removing them and dealing with the laxity was much more better than keeping them, only by comparison, both outcomes are bad). and he is very well aware of this. i will prove this eventually when i get this shit fixed by an actual proper dr and designer. you want to go to giant. please go for it. im not stopping you. i wish you the best of luck.

im only sharing my experience. take what you want from it. or nothing at alll

yeah fair enough. i actually totally get it. not wanting to put more time and effort into the post when u really have nothing to gain.

it would help a lot of strangers out if u sent a screen recording of your full convo or did a full break down but I totally understand why u wouldn't wanna put in all that effort cuz who gives af about strangers especially when u made a brief post and responses about ur experience.

I'm still going to giant because I think he's the best blackpilled surgeon and I haven't found anyone else who does what he does. but it does seem like you got a back experience.

one last thing id also like to mention is if he really has done so many cases your one of the few who has had a really bad experience and has come out publically. tbh that makes me want to go to him more, considering there's bound to be someone he really does dirty if he really has done thousands of surgeries.

really sucks that it happened to you though. and like I said before he's way more in the wrong than you are in this case

 

[fika2]

trusting a basement schizo with no medical or enginering degree and 3rd world country surgeon who you cant sue him if you got botched is retarded. i wasnt upset nigga. deserved

so many ppl say this but hes pioneered the surgical looksmaxing space.
he can be both a fuckup in this case and be a good surgery planner at the same time.


so many ppl say shit like "he has no medical license" or some gay shit. he's made multiple custom and innovative solutions for surgery. he's also had some crazy before and afters. to discredit everything is insane.
but he did fuck up this dude to some degree that was his fault it seems like.

 

[fika2]

I’m amazed at the cognitive dissonance here for giant.

He is incompetent. Made designs that when fitted were a disaster. Left patients stranded after conning them and ruining their life. Turkish surgeon is incompetent. Misplaced implants, external scars, unsterile OR lead to infection, has no prior experience here, allegedly is a “dentist” learning these procedures as he goes (not the same Maxfax training in Turkey afaik)

You’re all starry eyed for Giant and any surgeons for their perceived authority. Constantly patient blaming where there is no sense that a patient is expected to know nor have the responsibility for surgery done to him while he is unconscious ffs!

What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence.

Pearls to pigs

low iq activities

- Not a licensed doctor
- still chooses him

Sorry to hear of all the trouble you had.
It’s very hard for a patient to come forward. Thanks for doing it. Most don’t.

Could sense a lot of arrogance from Giant from day1 on these forums. Knew he was assuming a lot and hadn’t learned or had experience yet was talking as he was the best in the world.

I wonder how many of his patients have been destroyed for his ego vanity project.

Doctors in general will mostly deflect when there’s a problem. The patient is always seen as difficult etc.

Just not worth it. Better to be ugly
Good luck with all

trusting a basement schizo with no medical or enginering degree and 3rd world country surgeon who you cant sue him if you got botched is retarded. i wasnt upset nigga. deserved

so many ppl say this but hes pioneered the surgical looksmaxing space.
he can be both a fuckup in this case and be a good surgery planner at the same time.


so many ppl say shit like "he has no medical license" or some gay shit. he's made multiple custom and innovative solutions for surgery. he's also had some crazy before and afters. to discredit everything is insane.


It seems like he did fuck up this dude to some degree that was his fault but at the same time the alternative doctors also all have botched patients

at the end of the day he's still probably the best surgery planner for blackpilled people but if u don't wanna work with him ig that's fine. cheaper surgery and shorter waiting list for me

 

[pat]

yeah fair enough. i actually totally get it. not wanting to put more time and effort into the post when u really have nothing to gain.

it would help a lot of strangers out if u sent a screen recording of your full convo or did a full break down but I totally understand why u wouldn't wanna put in all that effort cuz who gives af about strangers especially when u made a brief post and responses about ur experience.

I'm still going to giant because I think he's the best blackpilled surgeon and I haven't found anyone else who does what he does. but it does seem like you got a back experience.

one last thing id also like to mention is if he really has done so many cases your one of the few who has had a really bad experience and has come out publically. tbh that makes me want to go to him more, considering there's bound to be someone he really does dirty if he really has done thousands of surgeries.

really sucks that it happened to you though. and like I said before he's way more in the wrong than you are in this case

i refer you to comment #267 from another member @Forget it and i quote

"What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence"

i truly wish you the best. you have already made up your mind and what you are really trying to do is to be convinced you are making the right decision because you are apprehensive. it doesnt matter what i say so go right ahead. do not let my experiance get in your way. in fact i wont even be surprised my medical records will be shared like recent people have told me so.

1000s of surgeries? you are dreaming.

 

[fika2]

i refer you to comment #267 from another member @fika2 and i quote

"What I can only guess is that it is projection. The same people blaming and deflecting and sycophantic to the high surgeons are those whose cope is surgery ascension with same. They can’t have their dream crushed. Even with all the evidence"

i truly wish you the best. you have already made up your mind and what you are really trying to do is to be convinced you are making the right decision because you are apprehensive. it doesnt matter what i say so go right ahead. do not let my experiance get in your way. in fact i wont even be surprised my medical records will be shared like recent people have told me so.

I don't even understand what that means.

i understand with giant there's chances of life-altering complications but I don't think any other surgeon can do what he plans. so I'm willing to take the risk and pray to gandy that I don't get fucked up like you guys. If I thought the risk to reward ratio was too low I would go with another surgeon

for me. its ascend or LDAR and I've already LDARed for way too long

 

[pat]

I don't even understand what that means.

i understand with giant there's chances of life-altering complications but I don't think any other surgeon can do what he plans. so I'm willing to take the risk and pray to gandy that I don't get fucked up like you guys. If I thought the risk to reward ratio was too low I would go with another surgeon

for me. its ascend or LDAR and I've already LDARed for way too long

tagged the wrong person sorry. edited now

 

[Deleted member 95933]

Man it always ends like this, that's why I despise hardmaxx in as another guy already mentioned it you need mental help and you've needed it for awhile. You seem well off get it fixed by a reputable doctor then start therapy and live a good life.

 

[fika2]

tagged the wrong person sorry. edited now

ahh, your not even wrong. if you presented me with an option that's just as good as him I would go to that doctor instead.

i just don't think my stuff will be as risky as yours was.

 

[fika2]

Man it always ends like this, that's why I despise hardmaxx in as another guy already mentioned it you need mental help and you've needed it for awhile. You seem well off get it fixed by a reputable doctor then start therapy and live a good life.

grey despises hard maxing when its really the only thing you can do to ascend significantly. not surprised

 

[chrishell]

ahh, your not even wrong. if you presented me with an option that's just as good as him I would go to that doctor instead.

i just don't think my stuff will be as risky as yours was.

what surgeries you gonna get

 

[BM7]

Pat, can u take a picture of your mouth? I want to see your gums

@pat ???

 

[Lefor3Laser]

so many ppl say this but hes pioneered the surgical looksmaxing space.
he can be both a fuckup in this case and be a good surgery planner at the same time.


so many ppl say shit like "he has no medical license" or some gay shit. he's made multiple custom and innovative solutions for surgery. he's also had some crazy before and afters. to discredit everything is insane.
but he did fuck up this dude to some degree that was his fault it seems like.

Many people are afraid to speak up, and a significant number who support the botch may be dealing with mental health challenges. There are quite a few cases, though I will not mention specifics because of the website rules, that clearly fall outside what is considered normal. In addition, many of these situations come with poor return on investment.

 

[savemebimax]

Man it always ends like this, that's why I despise hardmaxx in as another guy already mentioned it you need mental help and you've needed it for awhile. You seem well off get it fixed by a reputable doctor then start therapy and live a good life.

Just because some people go too far with it(this case) doesn't change the fact it is a life changing surgery for most and absolutely is worth the risk.

 

[Deleted member 95933]

grey despises hard maxing when its really the only thing you can do to ascend significantly. not surprised

if hardmaxing is the only thing you can do you're already cooked settle down for a normie life and avoid the unnecessary mental illness.

 

[fika2]

I agree, i feel very bad but i wonder how people follow random peoples reccomendations for such life changing surgerys so blindly, yes surgery can be sucessful however even the most experienced surgeons have caused multiple botched results. Its just not an industry thats at a level of quality assurance of which anyone should really trust for such surgerys at this time, as technology develops and surgery becomes much more reliable im sure it will become not only more trustworthy but also cheaper, but at this time it just doesnt seem that the risk is worth the reward, having a slightly better feature isnt worth the chance of having your whole future ruined. furthermore many surgeries cause health problems along with faded results in the future. The high price tag should be a warning that this practice is so risky not only to the patient but to the surgeons reputation, which is why there are so few who can or will provide the service for you.

awful take. hardmaxing is law. its ascend or ldar for us ltns and below

 

[fika2]

Many people are afraid to speak up, and a significant number who support the botch may be dealing with mental health challenges. There are quite a few cases, though I will not mention specifics because of the website rules, that clearly fall outside what is considered normal. In addition, many of these situations come with poor return on investment.

I understand some ppl wont speak up but if giant has had a lot of patients over the past years id expect more than 2 to speak up assuming they got botched

 

[fika2]

if hardmaxing is the only thing you can do you're already cooked settle down for a normie life and avoid the unnecessary mental illness.

why would i settle for a normal life when I can ascend and have an amazing one?
I'm not mentally ill its a logical decision

 

[fika2]

Just because some people go too far with it(this case) doesn't change the fact it is a life changing surgery for most and absolutely is worth the risk.

finally a good take. all how tf are so many ppl against surgery on .org its insane

 

[fika2]

what surgeries you gonna get

trimax, gonion implants, undereye and cheekbone implant
dead serious, not larping and I can afford it + have the time. just waiting on the consultation times and have already gotten 2 surgeries

 

[BM7]

Gum pictures?

 

[kingofkings]

A surprising number of people are commenting but don't seem to have picked up on:

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

2. A soft tissue infection is technically not a "botch"/surgical error. No mistake was made here. Rather, it's an unfortunate inherent risk of jaw implant procedures. Some folks are naturally more susceptible to infections than others, and Pat even has a documented history of infection complications.

So the two biggest problems in terms of the outcome are not actually Giant's fault. Of course, what is Giant's fault is his unacceptably poor communication with the patient. The situation where he arranged for Pat to travel to another country only to fail to show up is also particularly egregious.

I was actually considering Giant for a procedure but quite frankly this has put me right off. Not so much because of the outcome - all surgeries have risks and these seemed like bad luck but rather the disturbing communication patterns. If something goes wrong and you need a revision you don't want to be getting ignored/ghosted/sent to another country for nothing.

 

[BM7]

A surprising number of people are commenting but don't seem to have picked up on:

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

2. A soft tissue infection is technically not a "botch"/surgical error. No mistake way made here. Rather, it's an unfortunate inherent risk of jaw implant procedures. Some folks are naturally more susceptible to infections than others, and Pat even has a documented history of infection complications.

So the two biggest problems in terms of the outcome are not actually Giant's fault. Of course, what is Giant's fault is his unacceptably poor communication with the patient. The situation where he arranged for Pat to travel to another country only to fail to show up is also particularly egregious.

I was actually considering Giant for a procedure but quite frankly this has put me right off. Not so much because of the outcome - all surgeries have risks and these seemed like bad luck but rather the disturbing communication patterns. If something goes wrong and you need a revision you don't want to be getting ignored/ghosted/sent to another country for nothing.

I agree.

and... I'm constantly requesting gum pictures because I suspect he doesn't have healthy periodontal tissue, which significantly influences surgical outcomes and increases the risk of infections.

Moreover, Giant's implants are the best in terms of shape. Unlike polyethylene and silicone implants, which only look good in the mandible and chin (when properly placed), all patients who chose Giant's implants achieved good anatomical outcomes.

Even he(pat) developed an infection. The side where there was no infection is excellent, as are the implants in the maxilla.

 

[fika2]

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

Apparently he was telling the doctors how to place them and where to place them

2. A soft tissue infection is technically not a "botch"/surgical error. No mistake was made here. Rather, it's an unfortunate inherent risk of jaw implant procedures. Some folks are naturally more susceptible to infections than others, and Pat even has a documented history of infection complications.

So the two biggest problems in terms of the outcome are not actually Giant's fault. Of course, what is Giant's fault is his unacceptably poor communication with the patient. The situation where he arranged for Pat to travel to another country only to fail to show up is also particularly egregious.

I was actually considering Giant for a procedure but quite frankly this has put me right off. Not so much because of the outcome - all surgeries have risks and these seemed like bad luck but rather the disturbing communication patterns. If something goes wrong and you need a revision you don't want to be getting ignored/ghosted/sent to another country for nothing.

100% agreed

 

[kingofkings]

Apparently he was telling the doctors how to place them and where to place them

It's got nothing to do with that. The fact of the matter is jaw angle implants are notoriously difficult to place correctly.

Eppley told me in a consultation 1 in 3 cases get placed incorrectly and it's why he prefers those wraparound implants as the whole shape locks into position.

That's also presumably why Giant suggested a wraparound implant for the revision

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I understand some ppl wont speak up but if giant has had a lot of patients over the past years id expect more than 2 to speak up assuming they got botched

Well they did, i suppose not many use this forum, on this forum i saw only 2 speak out, don't know if there's more, that's only what i've seen.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

The thing is that giant is there to assist the surgeon and how to place the implants, so technically he is.

Also another thing to add, it depends on every individual, but alot of his results are:
a) underwhelming
b) botched (uncanny or literally botched)
c) not a big change
d) few good (this is much rare)

This is my personal view ofc.

 

[kingofkings]

The thing is that giant is there to assist the surgeon and how to place the implants, so technically he is.

Respectfully, I don't think you understand the mechanics here.

The surgeon:

1. Makes the incision
2. Physically and literally places the jaw angle inside the pocket
3. Screws it in place

Giant doesn't do any of that. So, yeah, Giant might be there "assisting" and "advising", but steps 1 to 3 are the surgeon actually doing it. It's not some magic special instructions that Giant has gotten wrong. Jaw angle implants are routinely placed incorrectly anyway, it's technically very difficult, even for someone like Eppley who's done so many of them.

Also another thing to add, it depends on every individual, but alot of his results are:
a) underwhelming
b) botched (uncanny or literally botched)
c) not a big change
d) few good (this is much rare)

This is my personal view ofc.

I agree. For me a lot of the mystique behind Giant has gone away now I've seen a bunch of his results. But I don't think he's incompetent, far from it. I just think most facial implants look shit no matter who designs them. This forum places too much emphasis on "features" like a strong jaw and angular cheekbones, rather than the harmony of how it all flows together.

 

[fika2]

Well they did, i suppose not many use this forum, on this forum i saw only 2 speak out, don't know if there's more, that's only what i've seen.

bruh you said"well they did" and then only cite the 2 ppl which was exactly what I said

 

[fika2]

It's got nothing to do with that. The fact of the matter is jaw angle implants are notoriously difficult to place correctly.

Eppley told me in a consultation 1 in 3 cases get placed incorrectly and it's why he prefers those wraparound implants as the whole shape locks into position.

That's also presumably why Giant suggested a wraparound implant for the revision

makes sense. I didnt know that. I went to epply but ig I'm still at the early stages

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Respectfully, I don't think you understand the mechanics here.

The surgeon:

1. Makes the incision
2. Physically and literally places the jaw angle inside the pocket
3. Screws it in place

Giant doesn't do any of that. So, yeah, Giant might be there "assisting" and "advising", but steps 1 to 3 are the surgeon actually doing it. It's not some magic special instructions that Giant has gotten wrong. Jaw angle implants are routinely placed incorrectly anyway, it's technically very difficult, even for someone like Eppley who's done so many of them.

My understanding is that Giant does the surgical planning and has even designed his own osteotomies.
I think he has applied for a patent for his own OBO technique that doesn't make use of a frontal craniotomy.
So it's more than simply an advisory or assistant role.

 

[Deleted member 44380]

1. The implants are misplaced but Giant is "merely" the implant designer, he didn't place them, the surgeon did

What is him assisting the surgery in the operating room for you think

 

[Deleted member 157107]

i havent read the whole thread but why are people trusting someone named 'giant implants' with a meme pfp, it seems about as untrustworthy as it gets, also my condolences for the damage done

because he posts some actual good results and is backed up by like Clav but still rip to this guy

 

[esoterik]

awful take. hardmaxing is law. its ascend or ldar for us ltns and below

that isnt a awful take, if u have money and go to a surgeon to "make no side dominant" you deserve to be botched, nearly every single human face has a "dominant" side, its also just a low roi thing to focus on in general

 

[mbi876]

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Giant Implants Responses:

1.
Post in thread 'Surgeon Celal Candirli'
https://looksmax.org/threads/surgeon-celal-candirli.1391574/post-20288610

2.
Post in thread 'Botched by GIANT Implants in turkey'
https://looksmax.org/threads/botched-by-giant-implants-in-turkey.1453593/post-21009833

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posting this thread after hearing about another patient of giants with irreversable nerve damage on another thread.

im not here to win people over or people to tell me what i should do moving forward. the damage done by giant to my face has already been done. i can only speak of my experience. take what you will from it. but i must emphasise the kind of person he is. i find giant aka lia, an egotistical narcissist who thrives off winning and he does not care who he hurts on the way to the top. he is a person who gaslighted me , constantly changed the narrative to suit himself. delayed everything, stood me up in another country after confirming my revision surgery and refused to take any accountability of his actions. this guy isnt even dr and acts like one. 27 year old who is and was still studying while i was getting a medical service from him. from what ive been told by others its biology and a course he failed at messina university under his belt. he is a fraud and a liar. and ive caught him out so many times.

to summerise, i had facial implants. replace jaw, cheeks chin, supraorbitals. most were misplaced and botched. at first i thought it was the cheeks and chin. i later learned from expert dr the jaw is too. giant aka liam, bill, william, (whatever the hell hes name is) admiited the implants were not placed, positioned and designed well. he pointed out that while it did look good on the scans and renders it did not in real life. a revision was offered,my case was prioritised and it never happened. and he led me on and on and on to the point of no return. i was stood up in another country while he was busy partying his life away in thailand. he is not the real deal in my opinion and not as good as his ego says he is. ask him about revisions? he wont tell you that you are on your own after surgery, the turkish drs wont care about you, youve already left the country, giant wont care, he taken your money hes onto the next. you will eventually disapear and when you decide to speak up he will use his fancy words and theories and make shit up as he goes to protect his reputation. there was a point where giant threatened to sue me ( his very own paying patient) because he simple would not give me any answers and he couldnt handle the simple tasks. but the cracks are starting to appear. i was a patient and paid alot of money. up to 40k to be exact and now i have lost it all and left with a worse face than before. he simply doesnt care. another patient has irreversable nerve damage and giant most likely has ignored him, walks away from problems until they dissapear. other drs know of him they believe he takes things too far. he is young., he is learning and he cannot be trusted or be taken as a surgeon. turkey is his playground due to its lax laws and his crony drs are loving the exposure they are getting at the expense of cashed up foreigners with the promise of a better apperance. dont fall for it. he is training on you.

when i told a clinical psycologist ( who is a aquaintance of mine) about my experiance and what i have been going through she knew exactly what i was going through. she says these are the typical traits of a extreme narcisist who is seeing this as a game and enjoying every minute of control he has over you. i was woken up to this psycological trauma by her and she advised that i need to walk away because this guy will not do what he set out he will do. as long as i am seen as weak and inferior then he will continue to play these games.. but me being nice i gave gaint the benefit of the doubt time and time again. i felt like a fool trying to get a simple hello back and answers regarding my case and getting a simple update on what is going on. this shit dragged on for over a year. we all know giant has the worst communication in the world. you may be wondering why hung around so long if i didnt trust him? guys trust me. when you pay up to 40000 dollars on something you are stuck with them and want to get your moneys worth. its not easy to drop everything and go to someone else.

surgically and design wise this guy single handedly vertically shortened my face destroying my facial thirds, widened my cheekbones beyond comprehension making me look like lil kim/jigsaw, upon waking i could feel a lump under my eye and knew straight away something was wrong because the infraorbital was extremely tender to touch. not to mention my tooth crown was knocked off by the surgeon, bloated out my whole midface with his awful cheek design (which i was told was highset with strongest eminence), misplaced and poorly designed my jaw implants which could have been placed better and EVEN, placed my chin wonky and offcentre and made my once decent lower third into a jawline with huge step off, no smooth contour and with sloppy incision work (by the surgeon). not to mention my suprarbitals are pressing down on my eyes givng me an aged,neandathal appearence. he didnt blend the jaw and chin flaps which creates a cartoonish rojar ramjet like chin with a deep labiomental fold. the chin almots looks "stuck on". why do i know this? because im currently consulting with other experts and these are their findings. giant destroyed any harmony i had in my face, threw off all the proportions and did what he wanted to do. my result is not the result of someone who calls himself the world greatest most experienced i private mplant designer of all time. false..

dont be fooled. the 2d renders are giants selling point. but in real life i looked terrible. i had to put a mask on to leave the house. i was mortified. in one of the attachments you can see i send giant a photo of how i dont want my cheeks to look like. well let me tell you. he made them even worse. you can see he wrote back saying " i have studied his look, about what NOT to do". my previous cheek implants which were done by the iconic dr eppley were much higher and smaller. after giants work i looked like i had multiple pronouns. looking back. my previous semi custom made cheek implants and previous jaw implants were much better.

i had a infection and lab results came back as ECOLI (yuck) inside my cheek bone which according to my drs , was done In the OR in turkey and a surgical skin infection on my right jaw which caused soft tissue damage and ongoing fluid drainage. basically my operation was doomed from the start. it was a shitstorm.. literally.

aesthetically, i want to point out that if you look at my jawline even if i didnt have a soft tissue problem take a look at giants lousy attempt at creating a better jawline or matching it. he completly DECIMATED my mandible with his ego and design. " dont worry everything looks perfect, you will love it, its a much better contour than what you have now, you are one of my favourite cases". check out the step off, the shape of the jawimplant which was made worse than my previous, the angle of the jaw, the deep cut under my chin where i have a chunk of skin missing. and the deep labiomental fold and my midface laxity. all of which i had NONE of before him and his surgeon touched me. there was zero finesse in this surgery by him and the surgeon. i thought i had worse surgery but this one takes the cake. the top part of the photo is me prior to surgery, and the bottom half is the after. a complete mess. and he has the audacity to call me difficult when he is suppose to be the expert. give me a break. what an unsult to plastic and max fax surgeons who dedicate decades into their craft and expertise.

attached you will see my scans taken soon after surgery. wonky chin, off centre, right jaw not positioned the same as left. right jaw and chin flaps not even on the bone, left cheek majorly misplaced and supraorbitals extremely low. they may seem normal under the Ct scan but in real life the issues are magnified.

i have hundreds of screenshots to prove my point and voice recordings. i never got my revision and people need to take note that this can and will happen to you. your money will be gone to some tik tok famous designer, and youll be left on read for months years and wont be prioritised. all i ever wanted was some guidance, hope, direction and some validation regarding my case. instead i was made to feel inferior, constantly walking on eggshells, at times often sucking up to him because i felt like i had to, cancelling my whole life because i was living in false hope that today is the day he will start my design and talk to me on zoom. a revision date was finally confirmed 13 months after the initial surgery and giant stood me up. he deliberatly stopped responding to my messeges up to a month leading to my operation date and blocked me from viewing his stories and left me on read. even though i had important details to be confirmed such as renders and finilisation of designs. he loved stringing me alone and when i told him i was in istanbul for my surgery he replied with " HOWS THAT". he was suppsed to be there but he was in thailand partying into the moonlight. this guy never did my case. he gatekeeped the whole thing from me and eventually he got what he wanted which was avoiding a revision and paying for his implants. which mind you he does a quick trip to france to pick them up because apparently when he sends them to turkey their customs department holds them and doesnt release them quickly. wierd.

when things get tough , he flys off to another country and when you ask him to do something he promised to do he will say things like " im too sick today to do anything, almost, soon, youre so close to finishing dont worry, its not a rush, you need to relax". he is a master manipulator and deflector. i was in istanbul coincedentely couple of months ago and i decided to extend an olive branch to him after he fucked me over. we were 5 minutes away from each other and i proposed. to him to meet me at the lobby and get this shit sorted once and for all. and ding dong. he confirmed to meet me then the next morning he bailed, citing that he was sick and meeting a friend. i then proposed i will meet him on zoom that night or day after. again. he stopped replying and left me on read. i asked myself why the fuck am i so stupid for falling these games again and i need to snap the fuck out of it. the ptsd i was getting from going through it again was enough. i officially gave up and now i am not going back. and i should have woken up to myself and broken free from giants shackles a very long time ago. he is disingenuine and the whole experiance with him was insufferable from start to finish.

when i ask him simple questions he would further demorilise me and send me his hidous green monster emojis. it was like talking to a 5 year old.
he would always say things like " there is noone ahead of you, you are the next case, its not a rush, youre on the verge of finishing, im sending you everything tonight". there is even a voice note i have of him telling me " you know i usually dont work weekends but this weekend im going to work on YOU". i said " thankyou thankyou thankyou!. well a couple of days had passed i was like kid at xmas waiting for my gift. he simply had nothing for me. when i told him that he literally told me he will be finished by the end of the weekend he said " yes but that doesnt mean i am finished". honestly wtf. how stupid does he think i am. something is going on with his mind man. I find it really hard to believe that for 12 months he did nothing and noone. or could it be that he is lazy and doesnt work at all. each theory is probable.

you will see in the attachments ( there is a limit of only 25 , i have hundreds) towards the end of the year leading up my surgery he completly ghosted me. i had booked a non refundable flight ( after he approved on it), scheduled and confirmed the surgery with drs assistant , ofcourse giant had confirmed the surgery date and that i am able to book my ticket and said that " he wil be ready". yes there were alot of messeges and in between those messeges i could see him being active on social media. in those weeks i got nothing, i was promised renders, finalisations of implants, everything. i got absolutley nothing. he gatekeeped everything including my designs and enjoyed watching me spiral because i just spent al this money on a flight and hotels. he further had the audacity to finally write back and say he is delayed by 5 or 6 days and that i should extend my trip or cancel my flight. knowing that i had booked a non refundable ticket. i stayed all that time and he further ghosted me. i want to point out that he never showed me the important details of the new design. he would show me one picture and thats it. i asked so many times pictures and measurements of all the other angles and a superimposed pic of the my previous and new implants so i can compare and work out with him what will work and what wont. he dangled this shit over me like i was a dog so i would literally beg for more. no medical ethical provider does that to anyone..

to make matter worse. i had gotten a random face rating by a looksmax expert about 4 years ago. i decided to get another one after giant did my implants. well not to my surprise my ratings went down on some important areas that weren't as issue previously. but i knew that already. i didnt need someone to tell me what went wrong.

there was also a time where i contacted paypal to dispute my payment i made to giant because he did not start my revision case and he was taking me for a ride. he quickly argued against the chargeback to paypal and got his way out of it. i decided he would finally take this seriously and cancelled the dispute. well to noones surprise he was back to his old behaviour and nothing changed.

giant cancels people and fires clients who don't agree with him. simple as that. i am not trusting someone like that ever again. thank god for ethical drs who actually look after you and validate your concerns. lets not forget earlier this year he posted a picture of someones implants on his stories and i quote he said " this case was cancelled because the patient was sending sassy emails, dont do that". noone in their right mind does that unless its someone with a god complex. on the spectrum? probably. ill even go as far as thinking that giant does mock up designs and renders on any ct scan he can find, posts them on social media and calls it a upcoming or completed "case". who knows..

where are the other patients? a guy called chip posted about his irreversable nerve damage and giant hasnt reached out by the looks of it. more people will speak up. dont worry. i am sure we are some of many botched cases.

i wont be surprised in the slightest he will defend every single thing i have said. i dont give a shit anymore. this is MY truth and i will not be silenced. and after hundreds of people begging me to do a thread. you guys finally have it. do your due diligance and do you research. i wish i went to a proper provider. attachments below are only small snippits and extremely compressed version to support my review.

I keep hearing horror stories about this dude over and over again. He is so fucking unprofessional and does not seem like a good person at all. He doesnt even produce that good results, most of them just look uncanny as fuck. Postponing right before surgery like that is fucking sickening and not RESPONDING? Fucking insanity. Hope you guys stop hyping him up and rather go to the italians that does things professionally and properly.