Botched by GIANT Implants in turkey (Giant Responses Included)

[esoterik]

awful take. hardmaxing is law. its ascend or ldar for us ltns and below

that isnt a awful take, if u have money and go to a surgeon to "make no side dominant" you deserve to be botched, nearly every single human face has a "dominant" side, its also just a low roi thing to focus on in general

 

[mbi876]

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Giant Implants Responses:

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Post in thread 'Surgeon Celal Candirli'
https://looksmax.org/threads/surgeon-celal-candirli.1391574/post-20288610

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Post in thread 'Botched by GIANT Implants in turkey'
https://looksmax.org/threads/botched-by-giant-implants-in-turkey.1453593/post-21009833

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posting this thread after hearing about another patient of giants with irreversable nerve damage on another thread.

im not here to win people over or people to tell me what i should do moving forward. the damage done by giant to my face has already been done. i can only speak of my experience. take what you will from it. but i must emphasise the kind of person he is. i find giant aka lia, an egotistical narcissist who thrives off winning and he does not care who he hurts on the way to the top. he is a person who gaslighted me , constantly changed the narrative to suit himself. delayed everything, stood me up in another country after confirming my revision surgery and refused to take any accountability of his actions. this guy isnt even dr and acts like one. 27 year old who is and was still studying while i was getting a medical service from him. from what ive been told by others its biology and a course he failed at messina university under his belt. he is a fraud and a liar. and ive caught him out so many times.

to summerise, i had facial implants. replace jaw, cheeks chin, supraorbitals. most were misplaced and botched. at first i thought it was the cheeks and chin. i later learned from expert dr the jaw is too. giant aka liam, bill, william, (whatever the hell hes name is) admiited the implants were not placed, positioned and designed well. he pointed out that while it did look good on the scans and renders it did not in real life. a revision was offered,my case was prioritised and it never happened. and he led me on and on and on to the point of no return. i was stood up in another country while he was busy partying his life away in thailand. he is not the real deal in my opinion and not as good as his ego says he is. ask him about revisions? he wont tell you that you are on your own after surgery, the turkish drs wont care about you, youve already left the country, giant wont care, he taken your money hes onto the next. you will eventually disapear and when you decide to speak up he will use his fancy words and theories and make shit up as he goes to protect his reputation. there was a point where giant threatened to sue me ( his very own paying patient) because he simple would not give me any answers and he couldnt handle the simple tasks. but the cracks are starting to appear. i was a patient and paid alot of money. up to 40k to be exact and now i have lost it all and left with a worse face than before. he simply doesnt care. another patient has irreversable nerve damage and giant most likely has ignored him, walks away from problems until they dissapear. other drs know of him they believe he takes things too far. he is young., he is learning and he cannot be trusted or be taken as a surgeon. turkey is his playground due to its lax laws and his crony drs are loving the exposure they are getting at the expense of cashed up foreigners with the promise of a better apperance. dont fall for it. he is training on you.

when i told a clinical psycologist ( who is a aquaintance of mine) about my experiance and what i have been going through she knew exactly what i was going through. she says these are the typical traits of a extreme narcisist who is seeing this as a game and enjoying every minute of control he has over you. i was woken up to this psycological trauma by her and she advised that i need to walk away because this guy will not do what he set out he will do. as long as i am seen as weak and inferior then he will continue to play these games.. but me being nice i gave gaint the benefit of the doubt time and time again. i felt like a fool trying to get a simple hello back and answers regarding my case and getting a simple update on what is going on. this shit dragged on for over a year. we all know giant has the worst communication in the world. you may be wondering why hung around so long if i didnt trust him? guys trust me. when you pay up to 40000 dollars on something you are stuck with them and want to get your moneys worth. its not easy to drop everything and go to someone else.

surgically and design wise this guy single handedly vertically shortened my face destroying my facial thirds, widened my cheekbones beyond comprehension making me look like lil kim/jigsaw, upon waking i could feel a lump under my eye and knew straight away something was wrong because the infraorbital was extremely tender to touch. not to mention my tooth crown was knocked off by the surgeon, bloated out my whole midface with his awful cheek design (which i was told was highset with strongest eminence), misplaced and poorly designed my jaw implants which could have been placed better and EVEN, placed my chin wonky and offcentre and made my once decent lower third into a jawline with huge step off, no smooth contour and with sloppy incision work (by the surgeon). not to mention my suprarbitals are pressing down on my eyes givng me an aged,neandathal appearence. he didnt blend the jaw and chin flaps which creates a cartoonish rojar ramjet like chin with a deep labiomental fold. the chin almots looks "stuck on". why do i know this? because im currently consulting with other experts and these are their findings. giant destroyed any harmony i had in my face, threw off all the proportions and did what he wanted to do. my result is not the result of someone who calls himself the world greatest most experienced i private mplant designer of all time. false..

dont be fooled. the 2d renders are giants selling point. but in real life i looked terrible. i had to put a mask on to leave the house. i was mortified. in one of the attachments you can see i send giant a photo of how i dont want my cheeks to look like. well let me tell you. he made them even worse. you can see he wrote back saying " i have studied his look, about what NOT to do". my previous cheek implants which were done by the iconic dr eppley were much higher and smaller. after giants work i looked like i had multiple pronouns. looking back. my previous semi custom made cheek implants and previous jaw implants were much better.

i had a infection and lab results came back as ECOLI (yuck) inside my cheek bone which according to my drs , was done In the OR in turkey and a surgical skin infection on my right jaw which caused soft tissue damage and ongoing fluid drainage. basically my operation was doomed from the start. it was a shitstorm.. literally.

aesthetically, i want to point out that if you look at my jawline even if i didnt have a soft tissue problem take a look at giants lousy attempt at creating a better jawline or matching it. he completly DECIMATED my mandible with his ego and design. " dont worry everything looks perfect, you will love it, its a much better contour than what you have now, you are one of my favourite cases". check out the step off, the shape of the jawimplant which was made worse than my previous, the angle of the jaw, the deep cut under my chin where i have a chunk of skin missing. and the deep labiomental fold and my midface laxity. all of which i had NONE of before him and his surgeon touched me. there was zero finesse in this surgery by him and the surgeon. i thought i had worse surgery but this one takes the cake. the top part of the photo is me prior to surgery, and the bottom half is the after. a complete mess. and he has the audacity to call me difficult when he is suppose to be the expert. give me a break. what an unsult to plastic and max fax surgeons who dedicate decades into their craft and expertise.

attached you will see my scans taken soon after surgery. wonky chin, off centre, right jaw not positioned the same as left. right jaw and chin flaps not even on the bone, left cheek majorly misplaced and supraorbitals extremely low. they may seem normal under the Ct scan but in real life the issues are magnified.

i have hundreds of screenshots to prove my point and voice recordings. i never got my revision and people need to take note that this can and will happen to you. your money will be gone to some tik tok famous designer, and youll be left on read for months years and wont be prioritised. all i ever wanted was some guidance, hope, direction and some validation regarding my case. instead i was made to feel inferior, constantly walking on eggshells, at times often sucking up to him because i felt like i had to, cancelling my whole life because i was living in false hope that today is the day he will start my design and talk to me on zoom. a revision date was finally confirmed 13 months after the initial surgery and giant stood me up. he deliberatly stopped responding to my messeges up to a month leading to my operation date and blocked me from viewing his stories and left me on read. even though i had important details to be confirmed such as renders and finilisation of designs. he loved stringing me alone and when i told him i was in istanbul for my surgery he replied with " HOWS THAT". he was suppsed to be there but he was in thailand partying into the moonlight. this guy never did my case. he gatekeeped the whole thing from me and eventually he got what he wanted which was avoiding a revision and paying for his implants. which mind you he does a quick trip to france to pick them up because apparently when he sends them to turkey their customs department holds them and doesnt release them quickly. wierd.

when things get tough , he flys off to another country and when you ask him to do something he promised to do he will say things like " im too sick today to do anything, almost, soon, youre so close to finishing dont worry, its not a rush, you need to relax". he is a master manipulator and deflector. i was in istanbul coincedentely couple of months ago and i decided to extend an olive branch to him after he fucked me over. we were 5 minutes away from each other and i proposed. to him to meet me at the lobby and get this shit sorted once and for all. and ding dong. he confirmed to meet me then the next morning he bailed, citing that he was sick and meeting a friend. i then proposed i will meet him on zoom that night or day after. again. he stopped replying and left me on read. i asked myself why the fuck am i so stupid for falling these games again and i need to snap the fuck out of it. the ptsd i was getting from going through it again was enough. i officially gave up and now i am not going back. and i should have woken up to myself and broken free from giants shackles a very long time ago. he is disingenuine and the whole experiance with him was insufferable from start to finish.

when i ask him simple questions he would further demorilise me and send me his hidous green monster emojis. it was like talking to a 5 year old.
he would always say things like " there is noone ahead of you, you are the next case, its not a rush, youre on the verge of finishing, im sending you everything tonight". there is even a voice note i have of him telling me " you know i usually dont work weekends but this weekend im going to work on YOU". i said " thankyou thankyou thankyou!. well a couple of days had passed i was like kid at xmas waiting for my gift. he simply had nothing for me. when i told him that he literally told me he will be finished by the end of the weekend he said " yes but that doesnt mean i am finished". honestly wtf. how stupid does he think i am. something is going on with his mind man. I find it really hard to believe that for 12 months he did nothing and noone. or could it be that he is lazy and doesnt work at all. each theory is probable.

you will see in the attachments ( there is a limit of only 25 , i have hundreds) towards the end of the year leading up my surgery he completly ghosted me. i had booked a non refundable flight ( after he approved on it), scheduled and confirmed the surgery with drs assistant , ofcourse giant had confirmed the surgery date and that i am able to book my ticket and said that " he wil be ready". yes there were alot of messeges and in between those messeges i could see him being active on social media. in those weeks i got nothing, i was promised renders, finalisations of implants, everything. i got absolutley nothing. he gatekeeped everything including my designs and enjoyed watching me spiral because i just spent al this money on a flight and hotels. he further had the audacity to finally write back and say he is delayed by 5 or 6 days and that i should extend my trip or cancel my flight. knowing that i had booked a non refundable ticket. i stayed all that time and he further ghosted me. i want to point out that he never showed me the important details of the new design. he would show me one picture and thats it. i asked so many times pictures and measurements of all the other angles and a superimposed pic of the my previous and new implants so i can compare and work out with him what will work and what wont. he dangled this shit over me like i was a dog so i would literally beg for more. no medical ethical provider does that to anyone..

to make matter worse. i had gotten a random face rating by a looksmax expert about 4 years ago. i decided to get another one after giant did my implants. well not to my surprise my ratings went down on some important areas that weren't as issue previously. but i knew that already. i didnt need someone to tell me what went wrong.

there was also a time where i contacted paypal to dispute my payment i made to giant because he did not start my revision case and he was taking me for a ride. he quickly argued against the chargeback to paypal and got his way out of it. i decided he would finally take this seriously and cancelled the dispute. well to noones surprise he was back to his old behaviour and nothing changed.

giant cancels people and fires clients who don't agree with him. simple as that. i am not trusting someone like that ever again. thank god for ethical drs who actually look after you and validate your concerns. lets not forget earlier this year he posted a picture of someones implants on his stories and i quote he said " this case was cancelled because the patient was sending sassy emails, dont do that". noone in their right mind does that unless its someone with a god complex. on the spectrum? probably. ill even go as far as thinking that giant does mock up designs and renders on any ct scan he can find, posts them on social media and calls it a upcoming or completed "case". who knows..

where are the other patients? a guy called chip posted about his irreversable nerve damage and giant hasnt reached out by the looks of it. more people will speak up. dont worry. i am sure we are some of many botched cases.

i wont be surprised in the slightest he will defend every single thing i have said. i dont give a shit anymore. this is MY truth and i will not be silenced. and after hundreds of people begging me to do a thread. you guys finally have it. do your due diligance and do you research. i wish i went to a proper provider. attachments below are only small snippits and extremely compressed version to support my review.

I keep hearing horror stories about this dude over and over again. He is so fucking unprofessional and does not seem like a good person at all. He doesnt even produce that good results, most of them just look uncanny as fuck. Postponing right before surgery like that is fucking sickening and not RESPONDING? Fucking insanity. Hope you guys stop hyping him up and rather go to the italians that does things professionally and properly.

 

[mbi876]

because he posts some actual good results and is backed up by like Clav but still rip to this guy

Most of them are uncanny af imo

 

[esoterik]

The thing is that giant is there to assist the surgeon and how to place the implants, so technically he is.

Also another thing to add, it depends on every individual, but alot of his results are:
a) underwhelming
b) botched (uncanny or literally botched)
c) not a big change
d) few good (this is much rare)

This is my personal view ofc.

most surgeons who deal with implants have this same fate, also the "few good" results mainly stem from osteo's rather than implants, thats why drs like dr bell have such a good rep, he only does osteos and transformed it into crazy movements

 

[Jesterpilled]

Most of them are uncanny af imo

Yea that’s true but i thought it was just swelling icl

 

[mbi876]

I agree, i feel very bad but i wonder how people follow random peoples reccomendations for such life changing surgerys so blindly, yes surgery can be sucessful however even the most experienced surgeons have caused multiple botched results. Its just not an industry thats at a level of quality assurance of which anyone should really trust for such surgerys at this time, as technology develops and surgery becomes much more reliable im sure it will become not only more trustworthy but also cheaper, but at this time it just doesnt seem that the risk is worth the reward, having a slightly better feature isnt worth the chance of having your whole future ruined. furthermore many surgeries cause health problems along with faded results in the future. The high price tag should be a warning that this practice is so risky not only to the patient but to the surgeons reputation, which is why there are so few who can or will provide the service for you.

This usually come down to bp patients asking for way too much. With proper planning and a good surgeons like one of the great italians, botches like this wont happen

 

[mbi876]

Yea that’s true but i thought it was just swelling icl

Could be but I think many lose so much appeal with just slapping on big implants

 

[Jesterpilled]

Yea true and idk why people don’t go to like germany or switzerland i know it’s expensive but still cheaper then usa and is just as safe and maybe better then usa, i know giant does his in turkey and asia but idk i wouldn’t do surgery there with how much stuff is in your face like nerves.

 

[pat]

I agree.

and... I'm constantly requesting gum pictures because I suspect he doesn't have healthy periodontal tissue, which significantly influences surgical outcomes and increases the risk of infections.

Moreover, Giant's implants are the best in terms of shape. Unlike polyethylene and silicone implants, which only look good in the mandible and chin (when properly placed), all patients who chose Giant's implants achieved good anatomical outcomes.

Even he(pat) developed an infection. The side where there was no infection is excellent, as are the implants in the maxilla.

hello. ive replied to you already on private inbox already. my gums are absolutely fine. in fact i would say i am super religious about my dental care and my see my dentist 3 times a year. so plz stop this nonsence about my gums. im seeing alot of patient blaming here/deflection. and thats fine. there are alot of things that are beyond the patient and on the surgeon/designer. if that helps you sleep at night knowing your lord saviour giant has a clean track record then i aint stopping you. you also all are fixated on the jaw. understandable but lets not forgot about the massive fuckup on the cheeks. aesthetically ad surgicaly. they were bad. beyond the patient, there are issues relating to consultaion, designing, executtion, sterility, post op care, the lying, the lack of cummunication relating to the revision, empty promises, the mind games, gaslighting, financial cost etc. all the hallmarks of giant. some things even his very own surgeon agreed on. and lets not forget, leaving me stranded in anoher country costing me thousands more. (no excuses no matter what). until youve gone through it all yourself, the lens you see things from is very narrow.

 

[BM7]

hello. ive replied to you already on private inbox already. my gums are absolutely fine. in fact i would say i am super religious about my dental care and my see my dentist 3 times a year. so plz stop this nonsence about my gums. im seeing alot of patient blaming here/deflection. and thats fine. there are alot of things that are beyond the patient and on the surgeon/designer. if that helps you sleep at night knowing your lord saviour giant has a clean track record then i aint stopping you. you also all are fixated on the jaw. understandable but lets not forgot about the massive fuckup on the cheeks. aesthetically ad surgicaly. they were bad. beyond the patient, there are issues relating to consultaion, designing, executtion, sterility, post op care, the lying, the lack of cummunication relating to the revision, empty promises, the mind games, gaslighting, financial cost etc. all the hallmarks of giant. some things even his very own surgeon agreed on. and lets not forget, leaving me stranded in anoher country costing me thousands more. (no excuses no matter what). until youve gone through it all yourself, the lens you see things from is very narrow.

just post the picture. Your cheeks looks good bro.

 

[Weed]

Dude, what a legendary thread. Best in looksmax. I still come back here to read everything.
Both surgeon and patient are fucking retarded lmao
Ecoli was probably from Turkroach's unwashed hands and there are molecules of Turkish shit inside OP's jaw. Unbelievable.

I don't know if OP can be fixed, I mean his obvious BDD. After he removes those implants and he heals up, he will go to another botcher because x does unrealistic movements that he really wants.

 

[pat]

Dude, what a legendary thread. Best in looksmax. I still come back here to read everything.
Both surgeon and patient are fucking retarded lmao
Ecoli was probably from Turkroach's unwashed hands and there are molecules of Turkish shit inside OP's jaw. Unbelievable.

I don't know if OP can be fixed, I mean his obvious BDD. After he removes those implants and he heals up, he will go to another botcher because x does unrealistic movements that he really wants.

There’s nothing wrong with someone seeking a custom version of prior implants which were standard off the shelf implants. Most people get standard implants at the beginning and upgrade to custom implants after doing their research. In this case the results took me backwards to the point where standard implants looked better. That brings up huge red flags in someone’s capabilities to promise, accept, execute and deliver the said tasks. It’s very easy to label someone difficult and walk away AFTER they’ve accepted the case and fucked up and “ given it a go”.

Your point regarding ecoli inside my cheekbones - absolutely. In fact I dry reach every time I think about it.

 

[pat]

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just post the picture. Your cheeks looks good bro.

They most certainly did not. Trust me on this one

 

[Weed]

There’s nothing wrong with someone seeking a custom version of prior implants which were standard off the shelf implants. Most people get standard implants at the beginning and upgrade to custom implants after doing their research. In this case the results took me backwards to the point where standard implants looked better. That brings up huge red flags in someone’s capabilities to promise, accept, execute and deliver the said tasks. It’s very easy to label someone difficult and walk away AFTER they’ve accepted the case and fucked up and “ given it a go”.

Your point regarding ecoli inside my cheekbones - absolutely. In fact I dry reach every time I think about it.

There’s nothing wrong with someone seeking a custom version of prior implants which were standard off the shelf implants. Most people get standard implants at the beginning and upgrade to custom implants after doing their research. In this case the results took me backwards to the point where standard implants looked better. That brings up huge red flags in someone’s capabilities to promise, accept, execute and deliver the said tasks. It’s very easy to label someone difficult and walk away AFTER they’ve accepted the case and fucked up and “ given it a go”.

Your point regarding ecoli inside my cheekbones - absolutely. In fact I dry reach every time I think about it.

Dude Why not just do customs at first? I can't imagine myself redoing any implants that look at least OK unless botched or smth. Like some users here said, you're supposed to fix your failos, not add halos because it always leads to this uncanny look, and even worse this botch.

 

[pat]

Dude Why not just do customs at first? I can't imagine myself redoing any implants that look at least OK unless botched or smth. Like some users here said, you're supposed to fix your failos, not add halos because it always leads to this uncanny look, and even worse this botch.

I understand your query. However my implants were done over 11 years ago. A time custom or patient specific implants were not at the forefront of plastic surgery or mainstream.

 

[sham66]

My understanding is that Giant does the surgical planning and has even designed his own osteotomies.
I think he has applied for a patent for his own OBO technique that doesn't make use of a frontal craniotomy.
So it's more than simply an advisory or assistant role.

he been having the patent for his OBO technique

 

[fika2]

that isnt a awful take, if u have money and go to a surgeon to "make no side dominant" you deserve to be botched, nearly every single human face has a "dominant" side, its also just a low roi thing to focus on in general

when did this dude say his own reason for hardmaxing was to make no side dominant

 

[fika2]

Most of them are uncanny af imo

where have u seen the results

 

[fika2]

This usually come down to bp patients asking for way too much. With proper planning and a good surgeons like one of the great italians, botches like this wont happen

not necessarily true. it seems like the main reason this was "botched" was due to the infection which does happen to everyone

 

[fika2]

he been having the patent for his OBO technique

hes having multiple patents for designs and concepts specfic to him but ppl on here still think hes just a dumb kid with no liencse and a pepe logo

 

[fika2]

There’s nothing wrong with someone seeking a custom version of prior implants which were standard off the shelf implants. Most people get standard implants at the beginning and upgrade to custom implants after doing their research. In this case the results took me backwards to the point where standard implants looked better. That brings up huge red flags in someone’s capabilities to promise, accept, execute and deliver the said tasks. It’s very easy to label someone difficult and walk away AFTER they’ve accepted the case and fucked up and “ given it a go”.

Your point regarding ecoli inside my cheekbones - absolutely. In fact I dry reach every time I think about it.

how did u end up fixing that? ecoli inside your cheek sounds insanely unsafe?

 

[mbi876]

not necessarily true. it seems like the main reason this was "botched" was due to the infection which does happen to everyone

Talking generally