10,000th post: Why Social Class matters more than anything.

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Hi guys,

First thing you need to realise is that there is no middle class. There is a capital class, and a working class. The mechanism is that the capital class extracts from the working class, in perpetuity; the end.

How?

r > g. The rate of growth on capital beats the rate of growth on labour. Now, with AI, labour itself is becoming commoditized and demonetized.

The extraction will get far far harsher.

You own or you owe. These are realities that persist, they don't change. Below is a graph on the rate of return of the SP500, NASDAQ, median house prices, and average wage growth, over the past 50 years.

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End multiples:


SeriesGrowth multiple
NDX price index196.0x
SPX price level71.5x
U.S. house prices10.6x
Median weekly wage (not even including inflation)5.0x



If you don't own, how do you cope? Boomers buy their home for $18,000 in 1988 and now it's worth $1,200,000. Suppose you work a $40k a year job for 40 years and never spend a penny after tax, with a 100% savings rate; your entire career earnings just got cleared by JUST the house appreciation of an average boomer.

The most important thing about social class: It is not income. It is insulation.

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High class means:

1. Time buffer
You can wait, choose, recover, retrain, say no.

2. Network buffer
Problems get solved through calls, referrals, introductions, family friends, soft landings.

3. Taste/code buffer
You understand what signals legitimacy: speech, clothes, schools, careers, manners, hobbies, risk posture.

4. Capital buffer
Assets, housing help, inheritance, pension, parental liquidity, no forced selling.

5. Psychological buffer
You are raised believing institutions are navigable, not hostile gods.

The brutal truth:
Middle/lower class people are often forced to optimize for survival. Upper class people are free to optimize for position.
That difference compounds for decades.


Class permanence is the way to look at it. You are renting, in debt, have loans to pay off, behind in education? You are compounding negatively. Below is a video on why it is more expensive to be poor.



You are working class / labour class. That's permanence. You are capital class. That can be permanence. Social norms or high and low socioeconomic societies evolve to PROTECT position. Your government is mainly made up of the affluent class, that is why it seems like every policy and decision seems to conflict with the working majority.


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Staying labour class means your body, time, mood, and attention remain the product.


Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:


1. Your income ceiling is physical.
You can only work so many hours, tolerate so much stress, commute so far, recover so fast.


2. Your “security” is conditional.
One injury, redundancy, recession, bad manager, rent spike, divorce, sick parent, or burnout can erase years.


3. Your taste gets shaped by coping.
Pints, holidays, takeaways, cars, subscriptions, status purchases. Not because people are stupid, but because the system drains them and sells relief back to them.


4. Your children inherit your constraint.
Not just money. They inherit your stress, your postcode, your network, your expectations, your accent codes, your risk limits, your lack of soft landings.


5. You are replaceable by design.
Labour markets reward scarcity. If your work can be trained, scheduled, monitored, outsourced, automated, or squeezed, you are not a partner. You are input cost.


6. You mistake income for class mobility.
A high salary without assets, ownership, network, and optionality is still glorified labour. Better labour, but labour.


7. You become dependent on permission.
Permission to get promoted. Permission to take leave. Permission to work remotely. Permission to earn more. Permission to stop.


8. Your best years get consumed before you own anything meaningful.
Energy goes into rent, commuting, bills, workplace politics, and emotional recovery. Capital formation happens too slowly.


The core horror:


Labour class means you are exposed.


Exposed to bosses.
Exposed to rent.
Exposed to prices.
Exposed to illness.
Exposed to family chaos.
Exposed to bad timing.
Exposed to one bad year.


The escape is not “work hard.”



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Your jawline and eye area are not the reason YOU have to work to get nowhere, while others don't have to work to get to wherever they want.


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Hi guys,

First thing you need to realise is that there is no middle class. There is a capital class, and a working class. The mechanism is that the capital class extracts from the working class, in perpetuity; the end.

How?

r > g. The rate of growth on capital beats the rate of growth on labour. Now, with AI, labour itself is becoming commoditized and demonetized.

The extraction will get far far harsher.

You own or you owe. These are realities that persist, they don't change. Below is a graph on the rate of return of the SP500, NASDAQ, median house prices, and average wage growth, over the past 50 years.

View attachment 5006858
End multiples:


SeriesGrowth multiple
NDX price index196.0x
SPX price level71.5x
U.S. house prices10.6x
Median weekly wage (not even including inflation)5.0x



If you don't own, how do you cope? Boomers buy their home for $18,000 in 1988 and now it's worth $1,200,000. Suppose you work a $40k a year job for 40 years and never spend a penny after tax, with a 100% savings rate; your entire career earnings just got cleared by JUST the house appreciation of an average boomer.

The most important thing about social class: It is not income. It is insulation.

View attachment 5006845View attachment 5006849

High class means:

1. Time buffer
You can wait, choose, recover, retrain, say no.

2. Network buffer
Problems get solved through calls, referrals, introductions, family friends, soft landings.

3. Taste/code buffer
You understand what signals legitimacy: speech, clothes, schools, careers, manners, hobbies, risk posture.

4. Capital buffer
Assets, housing help, inheritance, pension, parental liquidity, no forced selling.

5. Psychological buffer
You are raised believing institutions are navigable, not hostile gods.

The brutal truth:
Middle/lower class people are often forced to optimize for survival. Upper class people are free to optimize for position.
That difference compounds for decades.


Class permanence is the way to look at it. You are renting, in debt, have loans to pay off, behind in education? You are compounding negatively. Below is a video on why it is more expensive to be poor.



You are working class / labour class. That's permanence. You are capital class. That can be permanence. Social norms or high and low socioeconomic societies evolve to PROTECT position. Your government is mainly made up of the affluent class, that is why it seems like every policy and decision seems to conflict with the working majority.


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Staying labour class means your body, time, mood, and attention remain the product.


Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:


1. Your income ceiling is physical.
You can only work so many hours, tolerate so much stress, commute so far, recover so fast.


2. Your “security” is conditional.
One injury, redundancy, recession, bad manager, rent spike, divorce, sick parent, or burnout can erase years.


3. Your taste gets shaped by coping.
Pints, holidays, takeaways, cars, subscriptions, status purchases. Not because people are stupid, but because the system drains them and sells relief back to them.


4. Your children inherit your constraint.
Not just money. They inherit your stress, your postcode, your network, your expectations, your accent codes, your risk limits, your lack of soft landings.


5. You are replaceable by design.
Labour markets reward scarcity. If your work can be trained, scheduled, monitored, outsourced, automated, or squeezed, you are not a partner. You are input cost.


6. You mistake income for class mobility.
A high salary without assets, ownership, network, and optionality is still glorified labour. Better labour, but labour.


7. You become dependent on permission.
Permission to get promoted. Permission to take leave. Permission to work remotely. Permission to earn more. Permission to stop.


8. Your best years get consumed before you own anything meaningful.
Energy goes into rent, commuting, bills, workplace politics, and emotional recovery. Capital formation happens too slowly.


The core horror:


Labour class means you are exposed.


Exposed to bosses.
Exposed to rent.
Exposed to prices.
Exposed to illness.
Exposed to family chaos.
Exposed to bad timing.
Exposed to one bad year.


The escape is not “work hard.”



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Your jawline and eye area are not the reason YOU have to work to get nowhere, while others don't have to work to get to wherever they want.


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GENETIC DETERMINISM OR ECONOMIC DETERMINISM?

Good thread
Markets follow the same patterns, whether they are economic or sexual
 
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Hi guys,

First thing you need to realise is that there is no middle class. There is a capital class, and a working class. The mechanism is that the capital class extracts from the working class, in perpetuity; the end.

How?

r > g. The rate of growth on capital beats the rate of growth on labour. Now, with AI, labour itself is becoming commoditized and demonetized.

The extraction will get far far harsher.

You own or you owe. These are realities that persist, they don't change. Below is a graph on the rate of return of the SP500, NASDAQ, median house prices, and average wage growth, over the past 50 years.

View attachment 5006858
End multiples:


SeriesGrowth multiple
NDX price index196.0x
SPX price level71.5x
U.S. house prices10.6x
Median weekly wage (not even including inflation)5.0x



If you don't own, how do you cope? Boomers buy their home for $18,000 in 1988 and now it's worth $1,200,000. Suppose you work a $40k a year job for 40 years and never spend a penny after tax, with a 100% savings rate; your entire career earnings just got cleared by JUST the house appreciation of an average boomer.

The most important thing about social class: It is not income. It is insulation.

View attachment 5006845View attachment 5006849

High class means:

1. Time buffer
You can wait, choose, recover, retrain, say no.

2. Network buffer
Problems get solved through calls, referrals, introductions, family friends, soft landings.

3. Taste/code buffer
You understand what signals legitimacy: speech, clothes, schools, careers, manners, hobbies, risk posture.

4. Capital buffer
Assets, housing help, inheritance, pension, parental liquidity, no forced selling.

5. Psychological buffer
You are raised believing institutions are navigable, not hostile gods.

The brutal truth:
Middle/lower class people are often forced to optimize for survival. Upper class people are free to optimize for position.
That difference compounds for decades.


Class permanence is the way to look at it. You are renting, in debt, have loans to pay off, behind in education? You are compounding negatively. Below is a video on why it is more expensive to be poor.



You are working class / labour class. That's permanence. You are capital class. That can be permanence. Social norms or high and low socioeconomic societies evolve to PROTECT position. Your government is mainly made up of the affluent class, that is why it seems like every policy and decision seems to conflict with the working majority.


View attachment 5006894
View attachment 5006899View attachment 5006901View attachment 5006904
Staying labour class means your body, time, mood, and attention remain the product.


Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:


1. Your income ceiling is physical.
You can only work so many hours, tolerate so much stress, commute so far, recover so fast.


2. Your “security” is conditional.
One injury, redundancy, recession, bad manager, rent spike, divorce, sick parent, or burnout can erase years.


3. Your taste gets shaped by coping.
Pints, holidays, takeaways, cars, subscriptions, status purchases. Not because people are stupid, but because the system drains them and sells relief back to them.


4. Your children inherit your constraint.
Not just money. They inherit your stress, your postcode, your network, your expectations, your accent codes, your risk limits, your lack of soft landings.


5. You are replaceable by design.
Labour markets reward scarcity. If your work can be trained, scheduled, monitored, outsourced, automated, or squeezed, you are not a partner. You are input cost.


6. You mistake income for class mobility.
A high salary without assets, ownership, network, and optionality is still glorified labour. Better labour, but labour.


7. You become dependent on permission.
Permission to get promoted. Permission to take leave. Permission to work remotely. Permission to earn more. Permission to stop.


8. Your best years get consumed before you own anything meaningful.
Energy goes into rent, commuting, bills, workplace politics, and emotional recovery. Capital formation happens too slowly.


The core horror:


Labour class means you are exposed.


Exposed to bosses.
Exposed to rent.
Exposed to prices.
Exposed to illness.
Exposed to family chaos.
Exposed to bad timing.
Exposed to one bad year.


The escape is not “work hard.”



View attachment 5006913View attachment 5006916


Your jawline and eye area are not the reason YOU have to work to get nowhere, while others don't have to work to get to wherever they want.


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GENETIC DETERMINISM OR ECONOMIC DETERMINISM?

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Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:
Be honest did you use GPT
 
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see you in botb

mirin the 10k n high effort
 
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Coach is back with some carnivore cereal v0 OXh5Y3VtemRtcnRiMXtjXuhy nv6gO40k1Hd5PbNpx3oWX0Nq


Two sides to England

Ango-Saxon/Danelaw/Norman High Class Phenotype

Verus

Low Class Medieval Peasant Phenotype
 
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Two sides to England

Ango-Saxon/Danelaw/Norman High Class Phenotype

Verus

Low Class Medieval Peasant Phenotype
Example of "looks" not overriding social class constraints.

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The takeaway is that improving your looks cannot re-anchor your social status

And while improving your looks, and your looks in and of itself MATTERS, socioeconomic status matters almost infinitely more for long term life outcome.
 
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The takeaway is that improving your looks cannot re-anchor your social status
What can be done to re-anchor ones social status. Effective Networking?, the right friends?
 
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And by the time you realize it was social class all along it's too late anyway.

I'm damned to be a laborer just to fulfill the very bottom of the hierarchy of needs, at which point you're so burned out you don't even have the mental capital to be thinking longer term, and you're probably in acceptance stage of being low class.
 
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What can be done to re-anchor ones social status. Effective Networking?, the right friends?
I'm not sure man. Not much.

Try own more stuff I guess. Keep a dense network of higher class people.

You need to understand that the reason upper-class people act "upper-class", is because that's what works best at keeping them upper class. It's not genetic or instinctive behaviour. These class codes are not learned, they're inherited.

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And by the time you realize it was social class all along it's too late anyway.

I'm damned to be a laborer just to fulfill the very bottom of the hierarchy of needs, at which point you're so burned out you don't even have the mental capital to be thinking longer term, and you're probably in acceptance stage of being low class.
Do you have copes like going to the pub, sports fan etc?

Do you have a plan to make it out of the labor class? It is possible depending on your starting position.

Though, keeping burn rate incredibly low, while having to survive and work with no family buffer is physically, emotionally and psychologically harder than anything.

But you know the game, you know how the incentives work.

Protected productive tax sheltered assets extract money, labour and time from others pay it. Those with the assets end up with so much surplus, they just buy more assets. Ad infinitum.
 
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Any more thoughts?
 
Do you have copes like going to the pub, sports fan etc?

Do you have a plan to make it out of the labor class? It is possible depending on your starting position.

Though, keeping burn rate incredibly low, while having to survive and work with no family buffer is physically, emotionally and psychologically harder than anything.

But you know the game, you know how the incentives work.

Protected productive tax sheltered assets extract money, labour and time from others pay it. Those with the assets end up with so much surplus, they just buy more assets. Ad infinitum.
I don't really have any copes, I'm facing the crushing reality of the situation. I've been labor class for years, which was a product of not staying in college.

The obvious cope would be sex and companionship, it would be the only thing that made me feel like my existence is worth something. But there exists a class barrier even for sex and companionship. Women don't want to risk reproducing with a guy who isn't going to be financially well off.

It all comes down to the hierarchy of needs, and mine are so skewed that in order for me to enjoy the kind of life I wanted, I would have had to be at the point I am now, ten years ago. Now it increasingly feels as if there's nothing left to enjoy, and the return on investment for labor simply can't buy back youth or time.
 
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Hi guys,

First thing you need to realise is that there is no middle class. There is a capital class, and a working class. The mechanism is that the capital class extracts from the working class, in perpetuity; the end.

How?

r > g. The rate of growth on capital beats the rate of growth on labour. Now, with AI, labour itself is becoming commoditized and demonetized.

The extraction will get far far harsher.

You own or you owe. These are realities that persist, they don't change. Below is a graph on the rate of return of the SP500, NASDAQ, median house prices, and average wage growth, over the past 50 years.

View attachment 5006858
End multiples:


SeriesGrowth multiple
NDX price index196.0x
SPX price level71.5x
U.S. house prices10.6x
Median weekly wage (not even including inflation)5.0x



If you don't own, how do you cope? Boomers buy their home for $18,000 in 1988 and now it's worth $1,200,000. Suppose you work a $40k a year job for 40 years and never spend a penny after tax, with a 100% savings rate; your entire career earnings just got cleared by JUST the house appreciation of an average boomer.

The most important thing about social class: It is not income. It is insulation.

View attachment 5006845View attachment 5006849

High class means:

1. Time buffer
You can wait, choose, recover, retrain, say no.

2. Network buffer
Problems get solved through calls, referrals, introductions, family friends, soft landings.

3. Taste/code buffer
You understand what signals legitimacy: speech, clothes, schools, careers, manners, hobbies, risk posture.

4. Capital buffer
Assets, housing help, inheritance, pension, parental liquidity, no forced selling.

5. Psychological buffer
You are raised believing institutions are navigable, not hostile gods.

The brutal truth:
Middle/lower class people are often forced to optimize for survival. Upper class people are free to optimize for position.
That difference compounds for decades.


Class permanence is the way to look at it. You are renting, in debt, have loans to pay off, behind in education? You are compounding negatively. Below is a video on why it is more expensive to be poor.



You are working class / labour class. That's permanence. You are capital class. That can be permanence. Social norms or high and low socioeconomic societies evolve to PROTECT position. Your government is mainly made up of the affluent class, that is why it seems like every policy and decision seems to conflict with the working majority.


View attachment 5006894
View attachment 5006899View attachment 5006901View attachment 5006904
Staying labour class means your body, time, mood, and attention remain the product.


Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:


1. Your income ceiling is physical.
You can only work so many hours, tolerate so much stress, commute so far, recover so fast.


2. Your “security” is conditional.
One injury, redundancy, recession, bad manager, rent spike, divorce, sick parent, or burnout can erase years.


3. Your taste gets shaped by coping.
Pints, holidays, takeaways, cars, subscriptions, status purchases. Not because people are stupid, but because the system drains them and sells relief back to them.


4. Your children inherit your constraint.
Not just money. They inherit your stress, your postcode, your network, your expectations, your accent codes, your risk limits, your lack of soft landings.


5. You are replaceable by design.
Labour markets reward scarcity. If your work can be trained, scheduled, monitored, outsourced, automated, or squeezed, you are not a partner. You are input cost.


6. You mistake income for class mobility.
A high salary without assets, ownership, network, and optionality is still glorified labour. Better labour, but labour.


7. You become dependent on permission.
Permission to get promoted. Permission to take leave. Permission to work remotely. Permission to earn more. Permission to stop.


8. Your best years get consumed before you own anything meaningful.
Energy goes into rent, commuting, bills, workplace politics, and emotional recovery. Capital formation happens too slowly.


The core horror:


Labour class means you are exposed.


Exposed to bosses.
Exposed to rent.
Exposed to prices.
Exposed to illness.
Exposed to family chaos.
Exposed to bad timing.
Exposed to one bad year.


The escape is not “work hard.”



View attachment 5006913View attachment 5006916


Your jawline and eye area are not the reason YOU have to work to get nowhere, while others don't have to work to get to wherever they want.


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GENETIC DETERMINISM OR ECONOMIC DETERMINISM?

your 10kth post is this mine will prob be a shitpost jfl
 
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I don't really have any copes, I'm facing the crushing reality of the situation. I've been labor class for years, which was a product of not staying in college.

The obvious cope would be sex and companionship, it would be the only thing that made me feel like my existence is worth something. But there exists a class barrier even for sex and companionship. Women don't want to risk reproducing with a guy who isn't going to be financially well off.

It all comes down to the hierarchy of needs, and mine are so skewed that in order for me to enjoy the kind of life I wanted, I would have had to be at the point I am now, ten years ago. Now it increasingly feels as if there's nothing left to enjoy, and the return on investment for labor simply can't buy back youth or time.
Even if you stayed in college there's no guarantee you would've got a decent career that keeps you out of the labour trap so don'tfeel too bad for your choices or opportunity cost etc.

The point of this thread is for people to realize it is structural, not personal.
 
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I'm not sure man. Not much.

Try own more stuff I guess. Keep a dense network of higher class people.

You need to understand that the reason upper-class people act "upper-class", is because that's what works best at keeping them upper class. It's not genetic or instinctive behaviour. These class codes are not learned, they're inherited.

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i wish i could js absorb their knowledge man...
 
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How are these copes exactly?
Didn't mean "cope" as in "doesn't work / useless", meant it more as activities that soothe or take ones mind of their own existential situation.
 
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High class

is all that matters
 
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The old story was:

education → job → house → pension → dignity


The reality now is:

family balance sheet → housing access → risk capacity → asset ownership → compounding → class preservation

Education still matters. Income still matters. But they are no longer sufficient.
A person with a 2.1, parental house support, and €100k deposit help can beat a smarter person with a better job who is renting alone.

That is not moral. It is mechanical.
 
Hi guys,

First thing you need to realise is that there is no middle class. There is a capital class, and a working class. The mechanism is that the capital class extracts from the working class, in perpetuity; the end.

How?

r > g. The rate of growth on capital beats the rate of growth on labour. Now, with AI, labour itself is becoming commoditized and demonetized.

The extraction will get far far harsher.

You own or you owe. These are realities that persist, they don't change. Below is a graph on the rate of return of the SP500, NASDAQ, median house prices, and average wage growth, over the past 50 years.

View attachment 5006858
End multiples:


SeriesGrowth multiple
NDX price index196.0x
SPX price level71.5x
U.S. house prices10.6x
Median weekly wage (not even including inflation)5.0x



If you don't own, how do you cope? Boomers buy their home for $18,000 in 1988 and now it's worth $1,200,000. Suppose you work a $40k a year job for 40 years and never spend a penny after tax, with a 100% savings rate; your entire career earnings just got cleared by JUST the house appreciation of an average boomer.

The most important thing about social class: It is not income. It is insulation.

View attachment 5006845View attachment 5006849

High class means:

1. Time buffer
You can wait, choose, recover, retrain, say no.

2. Network buffer
Problems get solved through calls, referrals, introductions, family friends, soft landings.

3. Taste/code buffer
You understand what signals legitimacy: speech, clothes, schools, careers, manners, hobbies, risk posture.

4. Capital buffer
Assets, housing help, inheritance, pension, parental liquidity, no forced selling.

5. Psychological buffer
You are raised believing institutions are navigable, not hostile gods.

The brutal truth:
Middle/lower class people are often forced to optimize for survival. Upper class people are free to optimize for position.
That difference compounds for decades.


Class permanence is the way to look at it. You are renting, in debt, have loans to pay off, behind in education? You are compounding negatively. Below is a video on why it is more expensive to be poor.



You are working class / labour class. That's permanence. You are capital class. That can be permanence. Social norms or high and low socioeconomic societies evolve to PROTECT position. Your government is mainly made up of the affluent class, that is why it seems like every policy and decision seems to conflict with the working majority.


View attachment 5006894
View attachment 5006899View attachment 5006901View attachment 5006904
Staying labour class means your body, time, mood, and attention remain the product.


Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:


1. Your income ceiling is physical.
You can only work so many hours, tolerate so much stress, commute so far, recover so fast.


2. Your “security” is conditional.
One injury, redundancy, recession, bad manager, rent spike, divorce, sick parent, or burnout can erase years.


3. Your taste gets shaped by coping.
Pints, holidays, takeaways, cars, subscriptions, status purchases. Not because people are stupid, but because the system drains them and sells relief back to them.


4. Your children inherit your constraint.
Not just money. They inherit your stress, your postcode, your network, your expectations, your accent codes, your risk limits, your lack of soft landings.


5. You are replaceable by design.
Labour markets reward scarcity. If your work can be trained, scheduled, monitored, outsourced, automated, or squeezed, you are not a partner. You are input cost.


6. You mistake income for class mobility.
A high salary without assets, ownership, network, and optionality is still glorified labour. Better labour, but labour.


7. You become dependent on permission.
Permission to get promoted. Permission to take leave. Permission to work remotely. Permission to earn more. Permission to stop.


8. Your best years get consumed before you own anything meaningful.
Energy goes into rent, commuting, bills, workplace politics, and emotional recovery. Capital formation happens too slowly.


The core horror:


Labour class means you are exposed.


Exposed to bosses.
Exposed to rent.
Exposed to prices.
Exposed to illness.
Exposed to family chaos.
Exposed to bad timing.
Exposed to one bad year.


The escape is not “work hard.”



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Your jawline and eye area are not the reason YOU have to work to get nowhere, while others don't have to work to get to wherever they want.


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GENETIC DETERMINISM OR ECONOMIC DETERMINISM?

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Hi guys,

First thing you need to realise is that there is no middle class. There is a capital class, and a working class. The mechanism is that the capital class extracts from the working class, in perpetuity; the end.

How?

r > g. The rate of growth on capital beats the rate of growth on labour. Now, with AI, labour itself is becoming commoditized and demonetized.

The extraction will get far far harsher.

You own or you owe. These are realities that persist, they don't change. Below is a graph on the rate of return of the SP500, NASDAQ, median house prices, and average wage growth, over the past 50 years.

View attachment 5006858
End multiples:


SeriesGrowth multiple
NDX price index196.0x
SPX price level71.5x
U.S. house prices10.6x
Median weekly wage (not even including inflation)5.0x



If you don't own, how do you cope? Boomers buy their home for $18,000 in 1988 and now it's worth $1,200,000. Suppose you work a $40k a year job for 40 years and never spend a penny after tax, with a 100% savings rate; your entire career earnings just got cleared by JUST the house appreciation of an average boomer.

The most important thing about social class: It is not income. It is insulation.

View attachment 5006845View attachment 5006849

High class means:

1. Time buffer
You can wait, choose, recover, retrain, say no.

2. Network buffer
Problems get solved through calls, referrals, introductions, family friends, soft landings.

3. Taste/code buffer
You understand what signals legitimacy: speech, clothes, schools, careers, manners, hobbies, risk posture.

4. Capital buffer
Assets, housing help, inheritance, pension, parental liquidity, no forced selling.

5. Psychological buffer
You are raised believing institutions are navigable, not hostile gods.

The brutal truth:
Middle/lower class people are often forced to optimize for survival. Upper class people are free to optimize for position.
That difference compounds for decades.


Class permanence is the way to look at it. You are renting, in debt, have loans to pay off, behind in education? You are compounding negatively. Below is a video on why it is more expensive to be poor.



You are working class / labour class. That's permanence. You are capital class. That can be permanence. Social norms or high and low socioeconomic societies evolve to PROTECT position. Your government is mainly made up of the affluent class, that is why it seems like every policy and decision seems to conflict with the working majority.


View attachment 5006894
View attachment 5006899View attachment 5006901View attachment 5006904
Staying labour class means your body, time, mood, and attention remain the product.


Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:


1. Your income ceiling is physical.
You can only work so many hours, tolerate so much stress, commute so far, recover so fast.


2. Your “security” is conditional.
One injury, redundancy, recession, bad manager, rent spike, divorce, sick parent, or burnout can erase years.


3. Your taste gets shaped by coping.
Pints, holidays, takeaways, cars, subscriptions, status purchases. Not because people are stupid, but because the system drains them and sells relief back to them.


4. Your children inherit your constraint.
Not just money. They inherit your stress, your postcode, your network, your expectations, your accent codes, your risk limits, your lack of soft landings.


5. You are replaceable by design.
Labour markets reward scarcity. If your work can be trained, scheduled, monitored, outsourced, automated, or squeezed, you are not a partner. You are input cost.


6. You mistake income for class mobility.
A high salary without assets, ownership, network, and optionality is still glorified labour. Better labour, but labour.


7. You become dependent on permission.
Permission to get promoted. Permission to take leave. Permission to work remotely. Permission to earn more. Permission to stop.


8. Your best years get consumed before you own anything meaningful.
Energy goes into rent, commuting, bills, workplace politics, and emotional recovery. Capital formation happens too slowly.


The core horror:


Labour class means you are exposed.


Exposed to bosses.
Exposed to rent.
Exposed to prices.
Exposed to illness.
Exposed to family chaos.
Exposed to bad timing.
Exposed to one bad year.


The escape is not “work hard.”



View attachment 5006913View attachment 5006916


Your jawline and eye area are not the reason YOU have to work to get nowhere, while others don't have to work to get to wherever they want.


View attachment 5006938View attachment 5006947


GENETIC DETERMINISM OR ECONOMIC DETERMINISM?

@Jason Voorhees don't miss this one
 
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Hi guys,

First thing you need to realise is that there is no middle class. There is a capital class, and a working class. The mechanism is that the capital class extracts from the working class, in perpetuity; the end.

How?

r > g. The rate of growth on capital beats the rate of growth on labour. Now, with AI, labour itself is becoming commoditized and demonetized.

The extraction will get far far harsher.

You own or you owe. These are realities that persist, they don't change. Below is a graph on the rate of return of the SP500, NASDAQ, median house prices, and average wage growth, over the past 50 years.

View attachment 5006858
End multiples:


SeriesGrowth multiple
NDX price index196.0x
SPX price level71.5x
U.S. house prices10.6x
Median weekly wage (not even including inflation)5.0x



If you don't own, how do you cope? Boomers buy their home for $18,000 in 1988 and now it's worth $1,200,000. Suppose you work a $40k a year job for 40 years and never spend a penny after tax, with a 100% savings rate; your entire career earnings just got cleared by JUST the house appreciation of an average boomer.

The most important thing about social class: It is not income. It is insulation.

View attachment 5006845View attachment 5006849

High class means:

1. Time buffer
You can wait, choose, recover, retrain, say no.

2. Network buffer
Problems get solved through calls, referrals, introductions, family friends, soft landings.

3. Taste/code buffer
You understand what signals legitimacy: speech, clothes, schools, careers, manners, hobbies, risk posture.

4. Capital buffer
Assets, housing help, inheritance, pension, parental liquidity, no forced selling.

5. Psychological buffer
You are raised believing institutions are navigable, not hostile gods.

The brutal truth:
Middle/lower class people are often forced to optimize for survival. Upper class people are free to optimize for position.
That difference compounds for decades.


Class permanence is the way to look at it. You are renting, in debt, have loans to pay off, behind in education? You are compounding negatively. Below is a video on why it is more expensive to be poor.



You are working class / labour class. That's permanence. You are capital class. That can be permanence. Social norms or high and low socioeconomic societies evolve to PROTECT position. Your government is mainly made up of the affluent class, that is why it seems like every policy and decision seems to conflict with the working majority.


View attachment 5006894
View attachment 5006899View attachment 5006901View attachment 5006904
Staying labour class means your body, time, mood, and attention remain the product.


Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:


1. Your income ceiling is physical.
You can only work so many hours, tolerate so much stress, commute so far, recover so fast.


2. Your “security” is conditional.
One injury, redundancy, recession, bad manager, rent spike, divorce, sick parent, or burnout can erase years.


3. Your taste gets shaped by coping.
Pints, holidays, takeaways, cars, subscriptions, status purchases. Not because people are stupid, but because the system drains them and sells relief back to them.


4. Your children inherit your constraint.
Not just money. They inherit your stress, your postcode, your network, your expectations, your accent codes, your risk limits, your lack of soft landings.


5. You are replaceable by design.
Labour markets reward scarcity. If your work can be trained, scheduled, monitored, outsourced, automated, or squeezed, you are not a partner. You are input cost.


6. You mistake income for class mobility.
A high salary without assets, ownership, network, and optionality is still glorified labour. Better labour, but labour.


7. You become dependent on permission.
Permission to get promoted. Permission to take leave. Permission to work remotely. Permission to earn more. Permission to stop.


8. Your best years get consumed before you own anything meaningful.
Energy goes into rent, commuting, bills, workplace politics, and emotional recovery. Capital formation happens too slowly.


The core horror:


Labour class means you are exposed.


Exposed to bosses.
Exposed to rent.
Exposed to prices.
Exposed to illness.
Exposed to family chaos.
Exposed to bad timing.
Exposed to one bad year.


The escape is not “work hard.”



View attachment 5006913View attachment 5006916


Your jawline and eye area are not the reason YOU have to work to get nowhere, while others don't have to work to get to wherever they want.


View attachment 5006938View attachment 5006947


GENETIC DETERMINISM OR ECONOMIC DETERMINISM?

HIGH IQ
 
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Hi guys,

First thing you need to realise is that there is no middle class. There is a capital class, and a working class. The mechanism is that the capital class extracts from the working class, in perpetuity; the end.

How?

r > g. The rate of growth on capital beats the rate of growth on labour. Now, with AI, labour itself is becoming commoditized and demonetized.

The extraction will get far far harsher.

You own or you owe. These are realities that persist, they don't change. Below is a graph on the rate of return of the SP500, NASDAQ, median house prices, and average wage growth, over the past 50 years.

View attachment 5006858
End multiples:


SeriesGrowth multiple
NDX price index196.0x
SPX price level71.5x
U.S. house prices10.6x
Median weekly wage (not even including inflation)5.0x



If you don't own, how do you cope? Boomers buy their home for $18,000 in 1988 and now it's worth $1,200,000. Suppose you work a $40k a year job for 40 years and never spend a penny after tax, with a 100% savings rate; your entire career earnings just got cleared by JUST the house appreciation of an average boomer.

The most important thing about social class: It is not income. It is insulation.

View attachment 5006845View attachment 5006849

High class means:

1. Time buffer
You can wait, choose, recover, retrain, say no.

2. Network buffer
Problems get solved through calls, referrals, introductions, family friends, soft landings.

3. Taste/code buffer
You understand what signals legitimacy: speech, clothes, schools, careers, manners, hobbies, risk posture.

4. Capital buffer
Assets, housing help, inheritance, pension, parental liquidity, no forced selling.

5. Psychological buffer
You are raised believing institutions are navigable, not hostile gods.

The brutal truth:
Middle/lower class people are often forced to optimize for survival. Upper class people are free to optimize for position.
That difference compounds for decades.


Class permanence is the way to look at it. You are renting, in debt, have loans to pay off, behind in education? You are compounding negatively. Below is a video on why it is more expensive to be poor.



You are working class / labour class. That's permanence. You are capital class. That can be permanence. Social norms or high and low socioeconomic societies evolve to PROTECT position. Your government is mainly made up of the affluent class, that is why it seems like every policy and decision seems to conflict with the working majority.


View attachment 5006894
View attachment 5006899View attachment 5006901View attachment 5006904
Staying labour class means your body, time, mood, and attention remain the product.


Not your capital.
Not your systems.
Not your network.
Not your intellectual property.
Not your ownership.


You sell hours. Someone else owns the machine.


The hidden traps:


1. Your income ceiling is physical.
You can only work so many hours, tolerate so much stress, commute so far, recover so fast.


2. Your “security” is conditional.
One injury, redundancy, recession, bad manager, rent spike, divorce, sick parent, or burnout can erase years.


3. Your taste gets shaped by coping.
Pints, holidays, takeaways, cars, subscriptions, status purchases. Not because people are stupid, but because the system drains them and sells relief back to them.


4. Your children inherit your constraint.
Not just money. They inherit your stress, your postcode, your network, your expectations, your accent codes, your risk limits, your lack of soft landings.


5. You are replaceable by design.
Labour markets reward scarcity. If your work can be trained, scheduled, monitored, outsourced, automated, or squeezed, you are not a partner. You are input cost.


6. You mistake income for class mobility.
A high salary without assets, ownership, network, and optionality is still glorified labour. Better labour, but labour.


7. You become dependent on permission.
Permission to get promoted. Permission to take leave. Permission to work remotely. Permission to earn more. Permission to stop.


8. Your best years get consumed before you own anything meaningful.
Energy goes into rent, commuting, bills, workplace politics, and emotional recovery. Capital formation happens too slowly.


The core horror:


Labour class means you are exposed.


Exposed to bosses.
Exposed to rent.
Exposed to prices.
Exposed to illness.
Exposed to family chaos.
Exposed to bad timing.
Exposed to one bad year.


The escape is not “work hard.”



View attachment 5006913View attachment 5006916


Your jawline and eye area are not the reason YOU have to work to get nowhere, while others don't have to work to get to wherever they want.


View attachment 5006938View attachment 5006947


GENETIC DETERMINISM OR ECONOMIC DETERMINISM?

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