15y | Last update on my stack

[Zagro]

This is the stack i will use, so last time that i will bother any of you. What do y’all think? Right now i’m busy with making a crypto account to buy these everything else is already ready.

Roid / Peptide / Sarm stack :

6iu hgh ed
6.25mg aromasin ed
t4 100mcg
2x250mg test e weekly
2x150mg masteron weekly
2x250iu hcg weekly
Anadrol 100mg eod

Vitamins / Minerals / Acids stack :

Cod liver oil 1g
Vitamine D 5000iu
Vitamine K 200mcg
Magnesium 300mg
MSM 750mg
TUDCA 250mg
Berberine 500mg

 

[playxiing]

tren has it all

 

[Zagro]

Bump

 

[Zagro]

@20/04/2008 do i only kickstart the anadrol dose and slowly increase the other doses weekly?

 

[TrueRamirez]

This is the stack i will use, so last time that i will bother any of you. What do y’all think? Right now i’m busy with making a crypto account to buy these everything else is already ready.

Roid / Peptide / Sarm stack :

6iu hgh ed
6.25mg aromasin ed
t4 100mcg
2x250mg test e weekly
2x150mg masteron weekly
2x250iu hcg weekly
Anadrol 100mg eod

Vitamins / Minerals / Acids stack :

Cod liver oil 1g
Vitamine D 5000iu
Vitamine K 200mcg
Magnesium 300mg
MSM 750mg
TUDCA 250mg
Berberine 500mg

Ur literally 15 running 500mg test with Anadrol while worrying about MSM and cod liver oil, idk if I should be impressed or concerned, at least you got TUDCA in there but you’re about to have the lipid profile of a 60 yo powerlifter, if ur set on this at least consider telmisartan 20-40mg ed for BP and cardiovascular protection, and drop the Aromasin unless you’re getting symptoms, you’re not even high test to begin with at that age, 6.25mg ed is overkill

also how are you even setting up a crypto account at 15, unless you’re using P2P trades or some fake ID method, half the battle here is just getting your hands on the stuff

 

[Zagro]

Ur literally 15 running 500mg test with Anadrol while worrying about MSM and cod liver oil, idk if I should be impressed or concerned, at least you got TUDCA in there but you’re about to have the lipid profile of a 60 yo powerlifter, if ur set on this at least consider telmisartan 20-40mg ed for BP and cardiovascular protection, and drop the Aromasin unless you’re getting symptoms, you’re not even high test to begin with at that age, 6.25mg ed is overkill

also how are you even setting up a crypto account at 15, unless you’re using P2P trades or some fake ID method, half the battle here is just getting your hands on the stuff

Was already planning to take telmisartan and ezetimibe but have changed my mind, i might aswell use them if you say so. MSM and cod liver oil are there because i’ve already used them for a long time. Getting my test results soon so I’ll see what i can change with the dosages.

Yeah i’m concerned about the laws in my country so i will first try to buy one thing on the stack to see how fast and if it even arrives.

Would you recommend lower dosages for the roids? Or even recommend them? I will for sure use the peptides but still not sure about the roids.

 

[20/04/2008]

@20/04/2008 do i only kickstart the anadrol dose and slowly increase the other doses weekly?

Just kickstart the first 4 weeks

 

[TrueRamirez]

Was already planning to take telmisartan and ezetimibe but have changed my mind, i might aswell use them if you say so. MSM and cod liver oil are there because i’ve already used them for a long time. Getting my test results soon so I’ll see what i can change with the dosages.

Yeah i’m concerned about the laws in my country so i will first try to buy one thing on the stack to see how fast and if it even arrives.

Would you recommend lower dosages for the roids? Or even recommend them? I will for sure use the peptides but still not sure about the roids.

if ur already set on peptides then just run those first and see how u respond, ur 15 so ur literally swimming in natural GH and test already, blasting 500mg test e at that age is just gonna nuke ur HPTA for no reason, if u wanna experiment with anabolics at least start with something mild like low dose primo or low test, even 100-150mg test e weekly would already put u way above natural levels without full shutdown, Anadrol at 100mg eod is just straight overkill tho, that’s what 30 yo bodybuilders use to break plateaus, not something u start with

telmisartan and ezetimibe are smart to keep, if u do end up running anything keep an eye on lipids and BP, peptides alone should already give good gains

Also are u planning to stay on long term or just cycle it? cuz if ur thinking of cruising after this then ur basically committing to TRT for life, not that it’s the worst thing but at 15 ur still in peak natural production, even low dose test could mess with that long term, also what’s ur goal with this? just size or are u looking for performance too

 

[20/04/2008]

Ur literally 15 running 500mg test with Anadrol while worrying about MSM and cod liver oil, idk if I should be impressed or concerned, at least you got TUDCA in there but you’re about to have the lipid profile of a 60 yo powerlifter, if ur set on this at least consider telmisartan 20-40mg ed for BP and cardiovascular protection, and drop the Aromasin unless you’re getting symptoms, you’re not even high test to begin with at that age, 6.25mg ed is overkill

also how are you even setting up a crypto account at 15, unless you’re using P2P trades or some fake ID method, half the battle here is just getting your hands on the stuff

Well 500 test for 6 weeks
And the anadrol is 1x thing he won’t re use it

Telmisartan block Mtor and lower igf-1 if he took sartan why even use 500 just drop the dose if you can’t handle it for me i know people using 2g+ of roids they never yse sartan or ezetimbe they just supplement with elettolytes vitamins and mineral or fix their diet also tadalfil helps a little

Jfl i gzt gyno at 100 mg of test the nigha is running 500 test with anadrol solo of he ruuned like Eq or mast or primo yeah maybe but his running test anadrol only aromasin is mandatory

Jfl mike Tudca gonna do anything the guys on org ise underdosed Tudca
In studies they don’t use tudca but Udca which is more effective and they don’t use 500 mg they use 2g and one thing that inst know but you can’t just keep using Tudca st some point it bevome harmfull tudca is literraly like 1x time thing

Lipid profile is cope (im talking about bloodtest) your Ldl doesn’t reflect how healthy you are

Told him the same thing

 

[20/04/2008]

if ur already set on peptides then just run those first and see how u respond, ur 15 so ur literally swimming in natural GH and test already, blasting 500mg test e at that age is just gonna nuke ur HPTA for no reason, if u wanna experiment with anabolics at least start with something mild like low dose primo or low test, even 100-150mg test e weekly would already put u way above natural levels without full shutdown, Anadrol at 100mg eod is just straight overkill tho, that’s what 30 yo bodybuilders use to break plateaus, not something u start with

telmisartan and ezetimibe are smart to keep, if u do end up running anything keep an eye on lipids and BP, peptides alone should already give good gains

Also are u planning to stay on long term or just cycle it? cuz if ur thinking of cruising after this then ur basically committing to TRT for life, not that it’s the worst thing but at 15 ur still in peak natural production, even low dose test could mess with that long term, also what’s ur goal with this? just size or are u looking for performance too

I started peronnly at 14 with half nattu stuff non suppresive compounds akd sarms + peptides
Then at 15 started low dose roids
Then at 16 i started an actual cycle i used 700 NPP 300 Eq for 6 weeks got 0 sides
Im currently on Dbol only
next blast at 17 would be my last then i would go offf

 

[TrueRamirez]

Well 500 test for 6 weeks
And the anadrol is 1x thing he won’t re use it

Telmisartan block Mtor and lower igf-1 if he took sartan why even use 500 just drop the dose if you can’t handle it for me i know people using 2g+ of roids they never yse sartan or ezetimbe they just supplement with elettolytes vitamins and mineral or fix their diet also tadalfil helps a little

Jfl i gzt gyno at 100 mg of test the nigha is running 500 test with anadrol solo of he ruuned like Eq or mast or primo yeah maybe but his running test anadrol only aromasin is mandatory

Jfl mike Tudca gonna do anything the guys on org ise underdosed Tudca
In studies they don’t use tudca but Udca which is more effective and they don’t use 500 mg they use 2g and one thing that inst know but you can’t just keep using Tudca st some point it bevome harmfull tudca is literraly like 1x time thing

Lipid profile is cope (im talking about bloodtest) your Ldl doesn’t reflect how healthy you are

Told him the same thing

idk why people act like telmisartan just shuts down mTOR completely, it’s not rapamycin, it’s more of a mild regulator, same with IGF-1, it’s a slight reduction but not enough to cancel out test’s effects unless ur literally running bodybuilding doses, also “lipid profile is cope” is something only people who never checked their bloods say, HDL/LDL ratio matters, u can run grams of gear without issues for a while but the moment ur arteries decide they’re done it’s over, seen too many guys think they’re fine just because they don’t feel bad, until one day they just drop, also yeah UDCA > TUDCA but the whole “TUDCA is harmful long term” thing is mostly theoretical, unless ur running it year round at high doses ur fine

I started peronnly at 14 with half nattu stuff non suppresive compounds akd sarms + peptides
Then at 15 started low dose roids
Then at 16 i started an actual cycle i used 700 NPP 300 Eq for 6 weeks got 0 sides
Im currently on Dbol only
next blast at 17 would be my last then i would go offf

yeah ur basically doing the gradual rampup method which is honestly the only way to do this if ur starting that young, people act like just touching anything shuts u down permanently but if ur cycling smart and monitoring everything ur probably in a better spot than half the dudes blindly blasting 2g+ in their 20s, dbol only is interesting tho, not many go that route, are u running anything for prolactin/bp or just letting it ride? also what’s the next blast gonna be, since ur saying it’s the last one before going off

 

[Zagro]

I started peronnly at 14 with half nattu stuff non suppresive compounds akd sarms + peptides
Then at 15 started low dose roids
Then at 16 i started an actual cycle i used 700 NPP 300 Eq for 6 weeks got 0 sides
Im currently on Dbol only
next blast at 17 would be my last then i would go offf

yeah ur basically doing the gradual rampup method which is honestly the only way to do this if ur starting that young

So the smart approach would be to begin with sarms and then low dose roids then slowly using a real cycle? Is that what you mean with gradual rampup. If i knew these things at 14 would be great but i’m 15 now nearly done with puberty no changed in the last year. Could just go for low dose roids if thats better i just want one thats effective. My goals are mainly heigt, facial aesthetics and ofc physique and performance in the gym. Might compete later on aswell.

 

[20/04/2008]

idk why people act like telmisartan just shuts down mTOR completely, it’s not rapamycin, it’s more of a mild regulator, same with IGF-1, it’s a slight reduction but not enough to cancel out test’s effects unless ur literally running bodybuilding doses, also “lipid profile is cope” is something only people who never checked their bloods say, HDL/LDL ratio matters, u can run grams of gear without issues for a while but the moment ur arteries decide they’re done it’s over, seen too many guys think they’re fine just because they don’t feel bad, until one day they just drop, also yeah UDCA > TUDCA but the whole “TUDCA is harmful long term” thing is mostly theoretical, unless ur running it year round at high doses ur fine

yeah ur basically doing the gradual rampup method which is honestly the only way to do this if ur starting that young, people act like just touching anything shuts u down permanently but if ur cycling smart and monitoring everything ur probably in a better spot than half the dudes blindly blasting 2g+ in their 20s, dbol only is interesting tho, not many go that route, are u running anything for prolactin/bp or just letting it ride? also what’s the next blast gonna be, since ur saying it’s the last one before going off

Yes that what i said
If you running 500 getting sided you use sartan now your 500 test is as anabolic as 400 test
Why not just use 400 test from the beginning the only time i would use sartan is if i was a bodybuilder in prep in the last 10 weeks but the average org user don’t need sartan if he use 500 test

I know natty people when they eat a lot of meat (i precise only meat they don’t eat junkfood or wtv that a whole other thing) and their Hdl and Ldl get screwed that doesn’t make sense when you see some cultures that eat a shit ton of meat yeat are healthier than the cultures that don’t

I am super sensitive to estrogenic sides like i could use 50 mg of tren my prolactin go through
I use 100 mg test my estrogen ho through the roof
I don’t get gyno when im running Eq or Deca for some reason
I don’t get gyno from secreataguogues i know some people who got gyno from hgh only (its probably igf-1 pathway i don’t think its prolactin cuz they weren’t using that high of a dose)
the roof yet when i use dbol 0 estrogenic sides nothing i could use 100 mg of dbol for some reason no nipple tendernerss for bp am a hypertolerator that mean no matter how much gear am using it doesn’t do shit to me personally

Also im using lantus insulin with ipamorelin

 

[20/04/2008]

So the smart approach would be to begin with sarms and then low dose roids then slowly using a real cycle? Is that what you mean with gradual rampup. If i knew these things at 14 would be great but i’m 15 now nearly done with puberty no changed in the last year. Could just go for low dose roids if thats better i just want one thats effective. My goals are mainly heigt, facial aesthetics and ofc physique and performance in the gym. Might compete later on aswell.

I mean you could do that
When i was 14 i was into gymcelling that why my cycle were really more anabolic than androgenic

 

[xnj]

not bad but i think u should raise aromasin to 12.5 and reduce hgh to 4iu eod or at least current but eod. also why tf t4?

 

[TrueRamirez]

So the smart approach would be to begin with sarms and then low dose roids then slowly using a real cycle? Is that what you mean with gradual rampup. If i knew these things at 14 would be great but i’m 15 now nearly done with puberty no changed in the last year. Could just go for low dose roids if thats better i just want one thats effective. My goals are mainly heigt, facial aesthetics and ofc physique and performance in the gym. Might compete later on aswell.

Yeah if ur set on this the gradual ramp up method is at least the least stupid way to do it, SARMs and peptides first then low dose Test or Primo then actual cycles if needed, jumping straight into full suppression when u don’t even know how u respond to androgens yet is a dumb move

But ur saying ur nearly done with puberty no changes in the last year, what’s ur actual height, cuz if ur not at least 6'0 or close I’d be seriously worried about nuking any last bit of potential growth, even if u feel like u haven’t changed much that doesn’t mean ur fully done, growth plates don’t just slam shut overnight and once they’re closed that’s it

For facial aesthetics yeah androgens help but too much too soon can actually mess u up, can trigger disproportionate growth worsen asymmetries or even cause bone loss in certain areas over time, peptides alone might be enough for that without full suppression, for gym performance low dose Test already puts u ahead of 99% of ur age group
I
f u actually plan to compete later then starting early has benefits but the tradeoff is ur committing to long term management of hormones, are u willing to deal with months of suppressed test levels at 17 or 18 if something goes wrong?

At least ur not going full retard with random compounds, 6iu HGH is solid since ur young enough to actually get height potential out of it, T4 makes sense alongside it to keep metabolism up, Test and Mast together is a better choice than just Test solo since Mast acts as a mild AI and keeps things drier, HCG is smart to keep some endogenous function going even though ur basically shutting down anyway, Anadrol at 100mg EOD is high but not completely unhinged, though if ur running it ur liver support is on the lower end, 250mg TUDCA helps but like was said earlier UDCA would be better

Telmisartan and Ezetimibe are actually good to see in here since most don’t even consider lipid and BP management this early, Berberine helps with insulin sensitivity so that’s a nice addition, the Cod Liver Oil is whatever, more for general health but won’t hurt, Magnesium is good for muscle function, Vitamin D and K together is good for bone health especially if ur trying to push any last bit of growth, MSM is more of a joint and inflammation thing, doesn’t really tie into the stack directly but if u already use it no harm in keeping it

So overall ur at least covering some bases, main issues are just dose selection and long term consequences, peptides alone could’ve been enough for now but ur already here so best move is just minimizing unnecessary suppression and making sure u don’t cut off growth too soon

 

[Coeus]

Im shocked at how many 15 year olds use this site

 

[TrueRamirez]

Yes that what i said
If you running 500 getting sided you use sartan now your 500 test is as anabolic as 400 test
Why not just use 400 test from the beginning the only time i would use sartan is if i was a bodybuilder in prep in the last 10 weeks but the average org user don’t need sartan if he use 500 test

I know natty people when they eat a lot of meat (i precise only meat they don’t eat junkfood or wtv that a whole other thing) and their Hdl and Ldl get screwed that doesn’t make sense when you see some cultures that eat a shit ton of meat yeat are healthier than the cultures that don’t

I am super sensitive to estrogenic sides like i could use 50 mg of tren my prolactin go through
I use 100 mg test my estrogen ho through the roof
I don’t get gyno when im running Eq or Deca for some reason
I don’t get gyno from secreataguogues i know some people who got gyno from hgh only (its probably igf-1 pathway i don’t think its prolactin cuz they weren’t using that high of a dose)
the roof yet when i use dbol 0 estrogenic sides nothing i could use 100 mg of dbol for some reason no nipple tendernerss for bp am a hypertolerator that mean no matter how much gear am using it doesn’t do shit to me personally

Also im using lantus insulin with ipamorelin

Yeah, but that assumes Telmisartan is completely negating the test’s effects, which isn’t how it works, ur still getting nearly all the anabolism from 500mg Test, the slight reduction in IGF-1/mTOR isn’t making it magically drop to 400mg Test levels, same reason people running TRT with Telmisartan don’t suddenly get weaker, it’s not some hard shutdown, just a mild regulation, it’s not like using actual mTOR inhibitors

Also, meatheavy diets messing with LDL/HDL isn’t even a debate, plenty of guys running carnivore diets see their LDL skyrocket while HDL tanks, doesn’t matter if it’s “clean” meat or junk, it’s about how much cholesterol is being processed, some people handle it fine, others don’t, same reason some guys on gear get insane lipid crashes while others stay relatively stable, u either monitor it or just assume ur fine until something goes wrong

Ur sensitivity to estrogenic sides is weird tho, usually the opposite happens, most guys can’t handle Dbol without at least mild bloating or nipple sensitivity but get away with low test, prolactin pathways explain some of it but ur getting almost no response from something that should be heavily aromatizing, could be androgen-to-estrogen ratio keeping it in check or just receptor-level differences

Lantus + Ipamorelin is interesting, ur basically keeping steady insulin levels alongside a GH secretagogue, are u using it for mass gain or more for body composition effects? Also, are u running any fast-acting insulin or just Lantus?

 

[Zagro]

But ur saying ur nearly done with puberty no changes in the last year, what’s ur actual height, cuz if ur not at least 6'0 or close I’d be seriously worried about nuking any last bit of potential growth, even if u feel like u haven’t changed much that doesn’t mean ur fully done, growth plates don’t just slam shut overnight and once they’re closed that’s it.

Pretty much no changes only that i’ve grown 1cm playes are probably fusing in a few months or a year. Height 175cm bw 63kg if i dindt have muscles i would be underweight. Could maximally squeeze off like 2-3cm in the next few years probs.

f u actually plan to compete later then starting early has benefits but the tradeoff is ur committing to long term management of hormones, are u willing to deal with months of suppressed test levels at 17 or 18 if something goes wrong?

Tbh i dont plan to compete in my 20s more like in my late teens joining a few competitions for more like young people/ junior competitions or wtv you call them. Supression isn’t as bad as shutdown, would never want shutdown or come close to it.

Pretty sure 500mg will shut me down if i do something incorrect so i probably will lower the doses. Is there a dose you would recommend?

Also could begin with 50mg anadrol first to introduce and see how i react to it, instead of kickstarting 100mg but wouldn’t change much imo.

I plan to use peptides as long as i can maybe a few years and roids i could cycle or use for 6 months at max which will also again supress me heavily.

Could you help with a more suitable dose thats still effective? Could also help me financially if i lower the doses but i don’t mind the money tbh, also thank you for the in depth info really made me realise and reconsider a little bit. Will add a few things you recommended like telmisartan, ezetimibe tadalfil for bp hr and lipids.

 

[20/04/2008]

Yeah, but that assumes Telmisartan is completely negating the test’s effects, which isn’t how it works, ur still getting nearly all the anabolism from 500mg Test, the slight reduction in IGF-1/mTOR isn’t making it magically drop to 400mg Test levels, same reason people running TRT with Telmisartan don’t suddenly get weaker, it’s not some hard shutdown, just a mild regulation, it’s not like using actual mTOR inhibitors

Also, meatheavy diets messing with LDL/HDL isn’t even a debate, plenty of guys running carnivore diets see their LDL skyrocket while HDL tanks, doesn’t matter if it’s “clean” meat or junk, it’s about how much cholesterol is being processed, some people handle it fine, others don’t, same reason some guys on gear get insane lipid crashes while others stay relatively stable, u either monitor it or just assume ur fine until something goes wrong

Ur sensitivity to estrogenic sides is weird tho, usually the opposite happens, most guys can’t handle Dbol without at least mild bloating or nipple sensitivity but get away with low test, prolactin pathways explain some of it but ur getting almost no response from something that should be heavily aromatizing, could be androgen-to-estrogen ratio keeping it in check or just receptor-level differences

Lantus + Ipamorelin is interesting, ur basically keeping steady insulin levels alongside a GH secretagogue, are u using it for mass gain or more for body composition effects? Also, are u running any fast-acting insulin or just Lantus?

It was just an example don’t tale it literraly but it does impair Mtor to some extent also im sure he don’t need sartan with only 500 test
Just lantus
The only reason cuz its super cheap a pharma garde solo star 100 iu pen of lantus in morroco cost like 2$ and its the cheapest thing you could buy if you wanna elevate igf-1 levels
(Also for reference im not stupid i do monitor my macros micros and blood sugar i don’t reccomend more than 30 iu of lantus insulin for guys that don’t know their shit)
Dbol does bloat me especially when i go above 30 mg but for me it booat me way less than test for some reason i get so bloated when im using test i could use any roid hgh secreataguogue insulin no bloat i use test i get bloated i use deca no bloat i use Eq no bloat im suspecting it might just be aldosterone or smth
Ipamorelin because it doesn’t elevate my cortisol like other secreataguogies

 

[20/04/2008]

Yeah if ur set on this the gradual ramp up method is at least the least stupid way to do it, SARMs and peptides first then low dose Test or Primo then actual cycles if needed, jumping straight into full suppression when u don’t even know how u respond to androgens yet is a dumb move

But ur saying ur nearly done with puberty no changes in the last year, what’s ur actual height, cuz if ur not at least 6'0 or close I’d be seriously worried about nuking any last bit of potential growth, even if u feel like u haven’t changed much that doesn’t mean ur fully done, growth plates don’t just slam shut overnight and once they’re closed that’s it

For facial aesthetics yeah androgens help but too much too soon can actually mess u up, can trigger disproportionate growth worsen asymmetries or even cause bone loss in certain areas over time, peptides alone might be enough for that without full suppression, for gym performance low dose Test already puts u ahead of 99% of ur age group
I
f u actually plan to compete later then starting early has benefits but the tradeoff is ur committing to long term management of hormones, are u willing to deal with months of suppressed test levels at 17 or 18 if something goes wrong?

At least ur not going full retard with random compounds, 6iu HGH is solid since ur young enough to actually get height potential out of it, T4 makes sense alongside it to keep metabolism up, Test and Mast together is a better choice than just Test solo since Mast acts as a mild AI and keeps things drier, HCG is smart to keep some endogenous function going even though ur basically shutting down anyway, Anadrol at 100mg EOD is high but not completely unhinged, though if ur running it ur liver support is on the lower end, 250mg TUDCA helps but like was said earlier UDCA would be better

Telmisartan and Ezetimibe are actually good to see in here since most don’t even consider lipid and BP management this early, Berberine helps with insulin sensitivity so that’s a nice addition, the Cod Liver Oil is whatever, more for general health but won’t hurt, Magnesium is good for muscle function, Vitamin D and K together is good for bone health especially if ur trying to push any last bit of growth, MSM is more of a joint and inflammation thing, doesn’t really tie into the stack directly but if u already use it no harm in keeping it

So overall ur at least covering some bases, main issues are just dose selection and long term consequences, peptides alone could’ve been enough for now but ur already here so best move is just minimizing unnecessary suppression and making sure u don’t cut off growth too soon

I mean for me natty gymcelling is cope why train 5 years
When a mf could not train not eat right no sleep no supplements no nothing we just give him 600 mg of Nandrolone decanoate for 52 weeks straight he would gain the same amount muscle slightly more slightly less than a guy who did everything perfectly for 5 years straight

 

[Zagro]

Quick question would an insulin travel bag work to cool the hgh so i can hide them whilst it’s getting cooled.

 

[TrueRamirez]

Pretty much no changes only that i’ve grown 1cm playes are probably fusing in a few months or a year. Height 175cm bw 63kg if i dindt have muscles i would be underweight. Could maximally squeeze off like 2-3cm in the next few years probs.

Tbh i dont plan to compete in my 20s more like in my late teens joining a few competitions for more like young people/ junior competitions or wtv you call them. Supression isn’t as bad as shutdown, would never want shutdown or come close to it.

Pretty sure 500mg will shut me down if i do something incorrect so i probably will lower the doses. Is there a dose you would recommend?

Also could begin with 50mg anadrol first to introduce and see how i react to it, instead of kickstarting 100mg but wouldn’t change much imo.

I plan to use peptides as long as i can maybe a few years and roids i could cycle or use for 6 months at max which will also again supress me heavily.

Could you help with a more suitable dose thats still effective? Could also help me financially if i lower the doses but i don’t mind the money tbh, also thank you for the in depth info really made me realise and reconsider a little bit. Will add a few things you recommended like telmisartan, ezetimibe tadalfil for bp hr and lipids.

Ur at 175cm, basically 5’9, ur estimating 2-3cm more max which is kinda optimistic but not impossible, the issue is that growth slowdown doesn’t mean ur plates are fused yet, 1cm in a year means the process is decelerating but not stopped, but nuking test with exogenous hormones is going to push ur endocrine system to finalize whatever is left way sooner, so while technically ur not guaranteed to lose all remaining potential, ur definitely rushing it hard, also factor in that growth isn’t always linear, some people get random second wind spurts between 16-18, especially if they were late bloomers, 63kg at 175 is extremely light, even with some muscle, ur skeleton itself is on the smaller side, and that correlates with a longer growing period in a lot of cases, another thing, since ur considering peptides long term, GH and IGF-1 will keep cartilage growth active but that’s not the same as stimulating epiphyseal plate activity, u might see thickening in certain areas but full-on longitudinal growth is another story, so if height is even 10% of the reason ur doing this, ur making a brutal tradeoff

Late teens comps make more sense but that means u have an extremely small window to maximize everything, which is why u have to be smart with what u suppress, suppression isn’t shutdown, yeah, but the longer ur suppressed, the harder the restart, and even without full shutdown, prolonged suppression at a young age messes with natural baseline levels long term, so if ur thinking about short-term anabolics just for competition then going off, u need to be realistic about post-cycle recovery speed, especially with compounds that hit ur HPTA hard, if u wanna keep a naturalish baseline in the future, the dose and duration matter way more than the compounds themselves

For actual dosage recommendations, if ur going to insist on using something, then keep it as mild as possible while still giving a noticeable benefit, 500mg test is way beyond that threshold, I’d say if u just want some anabolic support without frying ur system, ur better off running 125-200mg test + 200mg primo weekly, that way u get solid lean gains without excessive androgenic burden, keeps suppression minimal while still putting u way above natural levels, if u still wanna add Anadrol, then yeah, 50mg is a much better idea than jumping to 100mg immediately, but I’d limit it to like 3-4 weeks max and see how u respond, Anadrol is unpredictable, some people blow up on it, others get zero effects, and some get brutal side effects out of nowhere, also its mechanism isn’t the same as DHT-derived or 19-nors, so it’s hard to predict interaction effects, especially at ur age when ur body isn’t fully settled hormonally

Another thing to consider is if ur only cycling for 6 months max, then whatever gains u make need to be sustainable post-cycle, which means u need to focus on compounds that give lasting hypertrophy rather than just transient water retention or glycogen supercompensation, that’s why I’d say skip high-dose test, skip wet orals, stick to dry injectables with moderate anabolism so u don’t lose everything the moment u come off, plus, ur also budgeting in peptides long term, so u don’t need to go super hard on androgens to begin with, just leverage the synergy between GH-related pathways and mild anabolics

So in summary, I’d say something like this:

125-200mg test e weekly

200mg primo weekly

50mg Anadrol only for 3-4 weeks max as a test run

Telmisartan + Ezetimibe + Tadalafil like ur already planning for BP/lipids

This way u get a good balance between effectiveness and safety without obliterating ur endocrine system at 15, peptides can run alongside without issue, GH will help mitigate some of the suppression effects by supporting recovery pathways, but just know, even if ur not fully shutting down, there’s still a long-term cost to this approach, question is, are u willing to accept that cost just for a shot at junior comps? That’s something u have to decide now, not after ur in too deep


If ur running peptides long term, then ur already doing half the work right, but ur still thinking about suppression like it’s just a temporary inconvenience instead of a full physiological shift

For test, u don’t need 500mg, not even close, ur goal is to keep suppression at a level where recovery is possible while still maximizing anabolism, so 125-200mg weekly is enough to maintain high-normal androgen levels while avoiding complete HPTA obliteration, 500mg is literally bodybuilding tier, it’s not some beginner mild dose, if ur dead set on bumping it, then 250mg is the highest I’d even consider for ur case, but ur still making a tradeoff no matter what, higher dose = harder recovery, u can’t get around that

for Anadrol, 50mg makes sense as a test dose but even that is aggressive at 15, especially since ur stacking it with long-term peptides, Anadrol is an odd compound because it doesn’t aromatize yet still has estrogenic activity, meaning ur gonna get some fluid retention but not in the same way as high-dose test or DBol, if ur running it, ur better off keeping it short (3-4 weeks like I said before) and monitoring BP closely, it’s not just about how u "feel" on it, Anadrol raises hematocrit faster than almost anything, and at ur bodyweight (63kg) that can become an issue quick, u don’t have the mass to distribute excessive RBC expansion properly, so even small BP spikes can be more noticeable

about the peptides, since ur planning to use them long-term, this is where u need to be methodical, IPamorelin is a solid choice if ur pairing it with Lantus, since IPam won’t cause the wild hunger and prolactin spikes that GHRP-2/6 would, but ur still dealing with pulsatile GH release, which means ur not getting 24/7 elevated GH like u would with GH itself, so if ur looking at the most effective way to run this, then u should be pinning IPam before bed when natural GH is already high, then using the Lantus to keep IGF-1 levels sustained over the day, this is a better approach than just mindlessly injecting peptides without timing considerations

If ur using telmisartan + ezetimibe + tadalafil, ur already covering ur bases for BP and lipids, but if ur adding Anadrol, I’d say consider adding NAC or TUDCA as well just for hepatic support, people argue about whether TUDCA is harmful long-term, but if ur not running it year-round at high doses, it’s irrelevant, the liver stress from Anadrol isn’t a joke, especially if ur running it on top of test, even if u feel fine, doesn’t mean damage isn’t occurring

Financially, lowering doses helps but the bigger part is the long term stability, if ur planning 6 months max, then ur cycle design needs to reflect that, no point in running massive doses then crashing and losing everything, that’s why lower test + mild anabolic support + peptides is the better route, if ur already set on the compounds ur using, then u just need to adjust the dosages properly to balance gains with recoverability, ur stacking suppression but minimizing total system shutdown, which is the only way ur gonna get out of this without permanent suppression issues later

I'd recommend a stack similar to this

Test E – 125-200mg/week

Anadrol – 50mg/day (3-4 weeks max)

Ipamorelin – Nightly

Lantus Insulin – Low daily dose

Telmisartan – 10-20mg/day

Ezetimibe – 10mg/day

Tadalafil – 2.5-5mg/day

TUDCA/NAC – 500mg/day

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

This is the stack i will use, so last time that i will bother any of you. What do y’all think? Right now i’m busy with making a crypto account to buy these everything else is already ready.

Roid / Peptide / Sarm stack :

6iu hgh ed
6.25mg aromasin ed
t4 100mcg
2x250mg test e weekly
2x150mg masteron weekly
2x250iu hcg weekly
Anadrol 100mg eod

Vitamins / Minerals / Acids stack :

Cod liver oil 1g
Vitamine D 5000iu
Vitamine K 200mcg
Magnesium 300mg
MSM 750mg
TUDCA 250mg
Berberine 500mg

Up your aromasin dosage

 

[TrueRamirez]

Quick question would an insulin travel bag work to cool the hgh so i can hide them whilst it’s getting cooled.

Yeah, an insulin travel bag works, but it depends on how long you're storing it and the cooling method inside, some of them only keep things cool for a few hours, so if ur just transporting it short term it's fine, but if u need it cold for an extended period, u need a proper mini fridge or something similar, also make sure it doesn't freeze it, HGH degrades if it gets too cold

 

[TrueRamirez]

Up your aromasin dosage

depends on what hes running, if he's already borderline crashed then upping aromasin is just gonna nuke his E2 Into the ground, If hes bloated and holding water but still getting morning wood then maybe increase slightly but even then it's better to just get bloods instead of blindly chasing dryness, also if he's running nand or dbol then Al dosing gets trickier since estrogenic sides aren't always from E2 directly

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

depends on what hes running, if he's already borderline crashed then upping aromasin is just gonna nuke his E2 Into the ground, If hes bloated and holding water but still getting morning wood then maybe increase slightly but even then it's better to just get bloods instead of blindly chasing dryness, also if he's running nand or dbol then Al dosing gets trickier since estrogenic sides aren't always from E2 directly

He’s running test as well

6.25 mg of aromasin ED only brought my e2 levels to 27 pg/mL. I’m now on 2.5 mg of letrozole ed

Anyways since he’s young and he wants to grow taller, he should just nuke his estrogen levels with 2.5 mg of letrozole ED.

 

[TrueRamirez]

It was just an example don’t tale it literraly but it does impair Mtor to some extent also im sure he don’t need sartan with only 500 test
Just lantus
The only reason cuz its super cheap a pharma garde solo star 100 iu pen of lantus in morroco cost like 2$ and its the cheapest thing you could buy if you wanna elevate igf-1 levels
(Also for reference im not stupid i do monitor my macros micros and blood sugar i don’t reccomend more than 30 iu of lantus insulin for guys that don’t know their shit)
Dbol does bloat me especially when i go above 30 mg but for me it booat me way less than test for some reason i get so bloated when im using test i could use any roid hgh secreataguogue insulin no bloat i use test i get bloated i use deca no bloat i use Eq no bloat im suspecting it might just be aldosterone or smth
Ipamorelin because it doesn’t elevate my cortisol like other secreataguogies

Lantus for cheap IGF-1 boost makes sense, 82 a pen is basically free, 30lu cap is good, anything more without tight control is asking for insulin resistance, as long as ur checking bloods and timing meals right it's fine

Bloating probably aldosterone since it's only from test, not just high E2, test Increases RAAS activation even without estrogen, could also be sodium retention, if u ever ran a diuretic or telmisartan on cyale u'd know for sure

Ipamorelin is clean, no cortisol spikes, no weird stress effects, just GH release without side effects

Yea it's true natty gymcelling is cope, 5 years for mid results just to get mogged by someone hopping on a basic cycle, 600mg deca for a year proves it, not even the best bulker but still matches a lifetime natty, training and diet help but anabolism decides everything, a dude eating like shit and half assing lifts on a cycle still beats any natty

 

[Zagro]

Yeah, an insulin travel bag works, but it depends on how long you're storing it and the cooling method inside, some of them only keep things cool for a few hours, so if ur just transporting it short term it's fine, but if u need it cold for an extended period, u need a proper mini fridge or something similar, also make sure it doesn't freeze it, HGH degrades if it gets too cold

I just need to hide as my parents would never support me in something like this, a mini fridge would be very obvious and something they would for sure check. I will just put a vial of gh in when i use the half of it and use the nest half the next days while keeping it cooled in insulin travel bag.

The stack you recommended is very reasonable and seems much more safe if done correctly and checked regularly but i think i might mess up insulin as it is a little bit harder to manage imo.

Heard and read that hgh + ai is a much more effective route for height rather than peptides as peptides increase gh naturally and injecting gh is much easier. I dont mind it financially as hgh was something i planned to use no matter what. With peptides i mean like ghrp, cjc, ipa etc i know that hgh is also a peptide but i forgot what you call the ones who stimulate natural production.

My biggest goal is height and facial aesthetics for now as it is something i cant really have a effect on later on. Could just compete later on in life giving myself a bigger window to maximise myself regarding physique and performance.

Test + mast were for more masculine/dimorphic facial features, also bidelt and dick as dht may also increase.

Also sorry for bothering you this much with long posts thank you very much for taking the time and literally spoonfeeding me information and correcting my mistakes.

 

[TrueRamirez]

He’s running test as well

6.25 mg of aromasin ED only brought my e2 levels to 27 pg/mL. I’m now on 2.5 mg of letrozole ed

Anyways since he’s young and he wants to grow taller, he should just nuke his estrogen levels with 2.5 mg of letrozole ED.

JFL ur just telling him to permanently stunt himself and disintegrate his joints, 2.5mg letto ED is bone suicide

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

JFL ur just telling him to permanently stunt himself and disintegrate his joints, 2.5mg letto ED is bone suicide

Ancient heightmaxxing myth

I’m on 2.5 mg and I’m fine, bone mass even increased if anything

Why do you think doctors always prescribe 2.5 mg of letrozole everyday?

 

[TrueRamirez]

I just need to hide as my parents would never support me in something like this, a mini fridge would be very obvious and something they would for sure check. I will just put a vial of gh in when i use the half of it and use the nest half the next days while keeping it cooled in insulin travel bag.

The stack you recommended is very reasonable and seems much more safe if done correctly and checked regularly but i think i might mess up insulin as it is a little bit harder to manage imo.

Heard and read that hgh + ai is a much more effective route for height rather than peptides as peptides increase gh naturally and injecting gh is much easier. I dont mind it financially as hgh was something i planned to use no matter what. With peptides i mean like ghrp, cjc, ipa etc i know that hgh is also a peptide but i forgot what you call the ones who stimulate natural production.

My biggest goal is height and facial aesthetics for now as it is something i cant really have a effect on later on. Could just compete later on in life giving myself a bigger window to maximise myself regarding physique and performance.

Test + mast were for more masculine/dimorphic facial features, also bidelt and dick as dht may also increase.

Also sorry for bothering you this much with long posts thank you very much for taking the time and literally spoonfeeding me information and correcting my mistakes.

just don't fumble this, ur plan makes sense but GH alone isn't some magic height hack, peptides like CJC/IPA can still help if ur plates aren't fully fused, Al + GH is more about keeping estrogen low enough to avoid premature fusion, but full nuking isn't the move, as for insulin just skip it if ur not confident in managing it, no point adding risk when GH alone is already solid

 

[TrueRamirez]

Ancient heightmaxxing myth

I’m on 2.5 mg and I’m fine, bone mass even increased if anything

Why do you think doctors always prescribe 2.5 mg of letrozole everyday?

Doctors prescribe 2.5mg Letro ED for breast cancer, not for height growth, ur literally obliterating estrogen which is essential for bone metabolism, just because ur "fine" now doesn't mean ur joints won't turn into dust long term

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Doctors prescribe 2.5mg Letro ED for breast cancer, not for height growth, ur literally obliterating estrogen which is essential for bone metabolism, just because ur "fine" now doesn't mean ur joints won't turn into dust long term

They prescribe 2.5 mg for breast cancer and for height

Letrozole vs anastrozole for height augmentation in short pubertal males: first year data - PubMed

We present first-year data from a direct comparison of anastrozole and letrozole for height augmentation in short pubertal boys. Letrozole was more potent in hormonal manipulation than anastrozole. First-year growth velocities were comparable, but improvement in PAH was greater in the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Letrozole Effect on Final Height of Patients with Constitutional Delay of Growth and Puberty - PMC

The inhibitory effect of aromatase on predicted adult height and near final height has been studied in patients with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP). This is the first study aimed at verifying the letrozole (Lz) effect on final ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bcp.14775

And any study that uses AI. My doctor literally gave me 2.5 mg of letrozole ED too.

Increased risk of osteoporosis doesn’t mean you will get it. I don’t know where you got the fact that your joints would turn into dust

And it’s not like 2.5 mg of letrozole ED completely nukes your estrogen, you can see in the studies below the average boy has atleast 7-20 pg/mL of estrogen left after blasting 2.5 mg of letrozole ED

 

[TrueRamirez]

@Zagro also ur lucky ur doing this earlier, I'm 19 and still 5'8 if I knew about any of this at 14-16 I could've been at an acceptable height, but unfortunately I kept just hoping height would come out of nowhere

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

They prescribe 2.5 mg for breast cancer and for height

Letrozole vs anastrozole for height augmentation in short pubertal males: first year data - PubMed

We present first-year data from a direct comparison of anastrozole and letrozole for height augmentation in short pubertal boys. Letrozole was more potent in hormonal manipulation than anastrozole. First-year growth velocities were comparable, but improvement in PAH was greater in the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Letrozole Effect on Final Height of Patients with Constitutional Delay of Growth and Puberty - PMC

The inhibitory effect of aromatase on predicted adult height and near final height has been studied in patients with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP). This is the first study aimed at verifying the letrozole (Lz) effect on final ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bcp.14775

And any study that uses AI. My doctor literally gave me 2.5 mg of letrozole ED too.

Increased risk of osteoporosis doesn’t mean you will get it. I don’t know where you got the fact that your joints would turn into dust

And it’s not like 2.5 mg of letrozole ED completely nukes your estrogen, you can see in the studies below the average boy has atleast 7-20 pg/mL of estrogen left after blasting 2.5 mg of letrozole ED

TL;DR: Don’t believe heightmaxxers on grey.org, nobody here is smarter then the actual doctors

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

@Zagro also ur lucky ur doing this earlier, I'm 19 and still 5'8 if I knew about any of this at 14-16 I could've been at an acceptable height, but unfortunately I kept just hoping height would come out of nowhere

Nah
Pre puberty only. Even 14-16 is relatively late

 

[TrueRamirez]

They prescribe 2.5 mg for breast cancer and for height

Letrozole vs anastrozole for height augmentation in short pubertal males: first year data - PubMed

We present first-year data from a direct comparison of anastrozole and letrozole for height augmentation in short pubertal boys. Letrozole was more potent in hormonal manipulation than anastrozole. First-year growth velocities were comparable, but improvement in PAH was greater in the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Letrozole Effect on Final Height of Patients with Constitutional Delay of Growth and Puberty - PMC

The inhibitory effect of aromatase on predicted adult height and near final height has been studied in patients with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP). This is the first study aimed at verifying the letrozole (Lz) effect on final ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bcp.14775

And any study that uses AI. My doctor literally gave me 2.5 mg of letrozole ED too.

Increased risk of osteoporosis doesn’t mean you will get it. I don’t know where you got the fact that your joints would turn into dust

And it’s not like 2.5 mg of letrozole ED completely nukes your estrogen, you can see in the studies below the average boy has atleast 7-20 pg/mL of estrogen left after blasting 2.5 mg of letrozole ED

Ur linking studies on short pubertal boys with CDGP, which isn't the same as using 2.5mg Letro ED when ur already near growth plate fusion, estrogen is literally required for endochondral ossification and final height potential, lowering it too much too late does nothing but accelerate closure, also 7-20 pg/ml" is still severely low, ur just gambling that ur plates don't fuse faster instead of extending the window
If anything yr literally proving my point, ur on 2.5mg Letro ED and still coping that it's not nuking ur estrogen just because ur "fine" right now, bone mass isn't just about density, it's about proper remodeling and tensile strength, u won't feel it until it's too late, and saying "doctors prescribe it" when ur ignoring context is just dumb, they prescribe it for CDGP cases where delaying fusion actually makes sense, not for guys already at the tail end of puberty thinking they can magically extend their window by deleting estrogen completely, u even admitted ur bone mass changed, so ur actively messing with a process u don't fully understand, ur just hoping it doesn't backfire

 

[TrueRamirez]

TL;DR: Don’t believe heightmaxxers on grey.org, nobody here is smarter then the actual doctors

Even doctors would tell u the same thing, nuking estrogen long term is literally the fastest way to ruin ur joints and bone integrity, Al protocols for height are always monitored with actual hormone tracking, not just blind 2.5mg ED blasting, ur just coping because u haven't felt the effects yet

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Ur linking studies on short pubertal boys with CDGP, which isn't the same as using 2.5mg Letro ED when ur already near growth plate fusion, estrogen is literally required for endochondral ossification and final height potential, lowering it too much too late does nothing but accelerate closure, also 7-20 pg/ml" is still severely low, ur just gambling that ur plates don't fuse faster instead of extending the window
If anything yr literally proving my point, ur on 2.5mg Letro ED and still coping that it's not nuking ur estrogen just because ur "fine" right now, bone mass isn't just about density, it's about proper remodeling and tensile strength, u won't feel it until it's too late, and saying "doctors prescribe it" when ur ignoring context is just dumb, they prescribe it for CDGP cases where delaying fusion actually makes sense, not for guys already at the tail end of puberty thinking they can magically extend their window by deleting estrogen completely, u even admitted ur bone mass changed, so ur actively messing with a process u don't fully understand, ur just hoping it doesn't backfire

Brother I just linked some studies, they use 2.5 mg on people with ISS as well

And where did you get the fact that using 2.5 mg of letrozole near growth plate closure will accelerate growth plate closure? And why the fuck would it not be the same

 

[Zagro]

Nah
Pre puberty only. Even 14-16 is relatively late

Not particularly late but effects would be a lot more significant if i began earlier.

@Zagro also ur lucky ur doing this earlier, I'm 19 and still 5'8 if I knew about any of this at 14-16 I could've been at an acceptable height, but unfortunately I kept just hoping height would come out of nowhere

Lately i’ve been getting bullied/made fun of by my height otherwise i would have done the same and hoped i grew taller by jumping like masai tribe members jfl. Literally all of my friends, family and even girls point my height out, it’s pretty brutal in the Netherlands for me.

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Even doctors would tell u the same thing, nuking estrogen long term is literally the fastest way to ruin ur joints and bone integrity, Al protocols for height are always monitored with actual hormone tracking, not just blind 2.5mg ED blasting, ur just coping because u haven't felt the effects yet

Nigga 3.5 months is enough to feel the effects

And no they wouldn’t bro, they literally prescribe 2.5 mg of letrozole, my doctor did as well

 

[TrueRamirez]

Nah
Pre puberty only. Even 14-16 is relatively late

Yeah, I agree prepuberty is where Al heightmaxxing is most effective, but that doesn't mean u absolutely can't influence anything after, it depends more on ur pubertal status, growth plate fusion isn't instant, and even in later puberty, things like GH, IGF-1, and E2 modulation still play a role in final height potential

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Yeah, I agree prepuberty is where Al heightmaxxing is most effective, but that doesn't mean u absolutely can't influence anything after, it depends more on ur pubertal status, growth plate fusion isn't instant, and even in later puberty, things like GH, IGF-1, and E2 modulation still play a role in final height potential

After your first growth spurt in puberty it’s a hit or miss depending on whatever your DNA planned out your growth chart to look like.

On average 2-3 inches are added with HGH+AI on prepubersecents or sub bone age of 12, I don’t think it would add much on somebody nearing growth plate fusion at all

 

[TrueRamirez]

Nigga 3.5 months is enough to feel the effects

And no they wouldn’t bro, they literally prescribe 2.5 mg of letrozole, my doctor did as well

Feeling the effects =/= long-term safety, ur acting like a few months of use proves anything, doctors prescribe Letro at that dose in specific cases, not as some general heightmaxxing protocol, even in studies, they monitor bone density closely, u think they'd tell u to run it indefinitely without checking?

 

[TrueRamirez]

Not particularly late but effects would be a lot more significant if i began earlier.

Lately i’ve been getting bullied/made fun of by my height otherwise i would have done the same and hoped i grew taller by jumping like masai tribe members jfl. Literally all of my friends, family and even girls point my height out, it’s pretty brutal in the Netherlands for me.

Fuark in the Netherlands that's so brutal, I've never actually been bullied for my height I'm just unsatisfied with it, you might need ll if everything else fails

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Feeling the effects =/= long-term safety, ur acting like a few months of use proves anything, doctors prescribe Letro at that dose in specific cases, not as some general heightmaxxing protocol, even in studies, they monitor bone density closely, u think they'd tell u to run it indefinitely without checking?

Ig your not wrong, but generally you can feel whether something’s wrong within the first few months

And no, doctors prescribe 2.5 mg of letrozole or a high dose of AI in literally every case

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Not particularly late but effects would be a lot more significant if i began earlier.

Lately i’ve been getting bullied/made fun of by my height otherwise i would have done the same and hoped i grew taller by jumping like masai tribe members jfl. Literally all of my friends, family and even girls point my height out, it’s pretty brutal in the Netherlands for me.

I feel you gang, I went through something similar as well

 

[TrueRamirez]

Ig your not wrong, but generally you can feel whether something’s wrong within the first few months

And no, doctors prescribe 2.5 mg of letrozole or a high dose of AI in literally every case

Feeling oft in a few months isn't the same as longterm damage, bone loss is gradual, not instant, and no, doctors don't prescribe 2.5mg Letro for height in "literally every case," they adjust based on individual needs, bloodwork, and monitored growth response, not some blanket nuke protocol

Honestly depends on the country, in the US and most of Europe, Letro is rarely prescribed at 2.5mg ED for height, it's mostly used for breast cancer or extreme cases of premature fusion, other countries might be looser with it, but even then, monitored use doesn't mean blasting max dosage without checking age on ur own markers

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Feeling oft in a few months isn't the same as longterm damage, bone loss is gradual, not instant, and no, doctors don't prescribe 2.5mg Letro for height in "literally every case," they adjust based on individual needs, bloodwork, and monitored growth response, not some blanket nuke protocol

Honestly depends on the country, in the US and most of Europe, Letro is rarely prescribed at 2.5mg ED for height, it's mostly used for breast cancer or extreme cases of premature fusion, other countries might be looser with it, but even then, monitored use doesn't mean blasting ma without checking age on ur own markers

I meant within the first few months you should be able to see some kind of bone loss, it’s not like your joints randomly snap in half after a year

And that’s wrong, they literally always just prescribe 2.5 mg of letrozole. Cite me one study where they don’t use the highest dosage of AI