5 underground secrets about steroids

[Org3cel]

Spoiler: Depressed

Do something for poorcels buddy, a monthly minimum wage is 272 dollars a month lol, and I only earn $35 a month. I can even try to save $89 @Copercel Its really over ngl

Great topic, I'll try to make great use of it

You can do a basic cycle with 35€ a month

 

[Org3cel]

Nigga I didnt say it like that brah. Tren body recomp theory.

Sure.

Also, do the research for me. What to do when switching test e 200mg per week to sustanon

Elaborate. 200mg test E to 200 mg sustanon? And why would u switch?

 

[Deleted member 96940]

Do you have any suggestion on anything I should make a thread about?

make a guide about test enan/cypio

 

[Org3cel]

make a guide about test enan/cypio

Whats there to know about? And someone already made a thread on it I think

 

[Deleted member 96940]

Whats there to know about? And someone already made a thread on it I think

make like the best cycle for teens, im pretty sure there isnt a guide about test cycles

 

[Deleted member 110192]

Spoiler: Depressed

Do something for poorcels buddy, a monthly minimum wage is 272 dollars a month lol, and I only earn $35 a month. I can even try to save $89 @Copercel Its really over ngl

Great topic, I'll try to make great use of it

Over for poorcels. Your only hope is to get smart and rich.

 

[Deleted member 110192]

make like the best cycle for teens, im pretty sure there isnt a guide about test cycles

There is:
Thread 'First Steroid Cycle'
https://looksmax.org/threads/first-steroid-cycle.10771/

 

[Deleted member 138051]

Hey everyone! After some time of research and presence on bodybuilding forums, Ive decided to make a thread about steroids, explaining stuff that most people dont know, hope this thread ends most of the misinformation thats out there. This was inspired from a mini book Ive read on AAS. This thread will be very straight forward answering questions that most people still have. Im not a doctor so follow my advice on ur own bud. If you have any questions let me know. Keep in mind this is the basics of AAS.
So lets get started!

ONE.The most important steroids when it comes to muscle growth and body composition—listed in precise order of importance (excluding aromatase inhibitors and other support compounds)—are as follows:

Anabolics: Includes Steroids, Prohormones, SARMs, etc. – Anabolics are directly responsible for all supraphysiological hypertrophy that takes place during the recovery phase after training. Ensuring the body is in as anabolic of an environment as possible is the first step in building a superhuman physique.

Human Growth Hormone: Strictly from a bodybuilding perspective, GH is useless to take on its own without anabolics unless you seek the benefits it can provide in other aspects such as injury prevention/healing, anti-aging, boost in fat oxidation, etc. What it will do in high enough dosages though is cell splicing (Hyperplasia). When Hyperplasia occurs, you can create the staging for brand new muscle cells that never existed. Once new muscle cells are created, there are more cells that anabolics can induce hypertrophy in, thereby increasing one’s overall muscle growth potential that would have otherwise been impossible to achieve with only anabolics used on their own. You can boost GH and IGF-1 levels without injecting synthetic GH by using things like MK-677, GHRPs, and GHRHs. They all work toward the same goal—raising GH and IGF-1—so I group them together. Synthetic IGF-1 also fits here, but it can shut down your body’s natural growth factor production through negative feedback, so achieving high IGF-1 levels via exogenous GH administration is the easiest way to achieve the benefits of this particular pathway of growth.

Insulin: When one is constantly using high dosage GH, this can lead to chronically high blood sugar, which can result in the beta cells in the Pancreas burning out over time, and ultimately once enough damage has occurred, self- induced Diabetes. Insulin usage not only relieves the Pancreas of being forced to constantly fight to bring blood glucose levels down while on GH, but it can be used to strategically shuttle nutrients into hungry muscle cells more efficiently, and when used in conjunction with GH and anabolics it can lead to a greatly improved level of nutrient partitioning when used appropriately, and significantly increase overall muscle growth. If used inappropriately though, it will just make you fat and further exacerbate bodybuilding induced health complications. Not to mention that if you take too much and don’t know how to measure it properly on an Insulin syringe you can kill yourself lol, Ill be honest you shouldnt do it unless u want a BB physique but I will get on that later on.

Fat Burning Agents & Appetite Suppressants: Includes Clenbuterol, T3, DNP, Ephedrine, Albuterol, Meridia, Phentermine, Yohimbine, Rauwolscine, 1,3-DMAA, retatrutide and many others. Obviously these don’t build actual muscle tissue, but when it comes to reaching a very low level of body fat, it can be very difficult without the use of some compounds that put your metabolism in a supraphysiological state of fat burning, and/or appetite suppressants, I dont reccomend supressing ur appetite if ur in puberty.

Myostatin Inhibitors: The most notable being Follistatin and YK11, these new research chemicals are focused on new ways to break through muscle building plateaus by inhibiting Myostatin (a protein in the body that essentially regulates muscle growth and prevents you from gaining too much muscle). As of now, these compounds are not overly important (and Follistatin is almost always fake anyways), but I think that compounds similar to these will get more attention. By successfully inhibiting Myostatin, one could very likely achieve insane unseen levels of musculature, but for now, dont use them.

Spoiler: Kangooroo with myostatin deficency

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TWO. Which of the categories do I need on topic 1 do I need to achieve the "Ideal male physique" to atractt women??

One key thing to note is that to achieve an outstanding physique, you do NOT need almost any of the compounds listed above. And you may not need any at all depending on your genetics. The most attractive body to women is one that can be achieved with normal Testosterone levels in certain genetically gifted individuals, or a slightly supraphysiological level of anabolics for those not as genetically gifted. This could be coupled with a fat burner and/or appetite suppressant intermittently (if necessary) while cutting down to adhere to the necessary caloric restriction. But dont worry I know you are all very ungifted males with the energy of a Panda

Spoiler: Ideal male physique

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THREE.This is what you fellow indians need to understand. This is the ideal male body for 99% of women that arent niche.
Shoot for athletic and very lean. You don’t need to abuse drugs to max out your physique when it comes to being attractive to women. As long as you look athletic and have a low level of body fat your facial features will be much more prominent, and your muscle shape will show from beneath the fat on your body (abs, “sex lines”, v-taper, vascularity, definition, etc.). 10% body fat on an athletic frame year round would be ideal. You absolutely do NOT need to be competition shredded to be maxed out looks wise. But you can still take them if u want a shit diet no exercise and have bad genes obviously.


FOUR. You Don’t “Need” To Use An Oral Steroid To Kick Start Your Long Ester Based Cycles.
You will often get advised to “kick start” your cycle with something like Dbol, Anadrol, or any other oral steroid with a short half-life. The reason this is advised is because long ester injectables (what most people use for the meat and potatoes of their cycles) can take several weeks to build up in the blood, so for the first few weeks of a long ester cycle suboptimal progress can be made while waiting for full saturation of the drugs. By “kick starting” with an oral steroid, one can experience immediate gains in size and strength within the first week due to the short half life. Hence, this has become a very common strategy, and oral steroids are commonly referred to as on cycle essentials. They are great and can be a huge benefit don’t get me wrong, but during a bulking phase it is very common for the liver toxicity of these methylated oral steroids to interfere with one’s appetite to such an extent, that adequate nutrient intake is not sustained, which obviously will result in subpar growth (if any at all). The meat and potatoes of what you will gain will be dictated by your injectables, and GH + Insulin if that is also utilized (and also your diet + training obviously). So please stop with the cope of using any orals to start off, oral only cycle is most of the time, BULLSHIT, dbol only cycle is good sure but add an injecctable or at least a test base.


FIVE,“Cutting Steroids” Like Anavar, Winstrol, Trenbolone, Will NOT Get You Ripped
If you are trying to cut down, the sole purpose of using anabolics is to retain your muscle. When you are in a calorie deficit, your body dips into stored energy to fuel your everyday activities/energy demands. That stored energy could be stored glycogen, it could be fat, or it could be hard earned muscle. The goal of using anabolics is to make sure that your body only dips into the stored glycogen and fat, and leaves the muscle alone entirely. By providing the hormonal support necessary to maintain that lean tissue in a calorie deficit, the anabolics are doing their job properly. What they won’t do though, is rip you up. You will commonly hear people on org say stuff like “Ye bro if you take tren u will be 6% BF in no time" and this couldnt be further from the truth. If you start popping some Anavar for example each day, does your energy expenditure suddenly drastically increase? No it doesn’t. All that has happened is that you are now in a more anabolic environment that is more conducive to muscle growth in the presence of enough calories, or muscle retention in the absence of a sufficient amount of calories. Despite Tren being one of the few possible exceptions that has some Thermogenic properties that can expedite fat loss, it isn’t anything significant that will suddenly shred you up if you are not calorie restricting and/or increasing energy expenditure in combination with it. It is actually quite easy to get fat on Tren, despite what many who have not used it seem to believe from reading stuff on the internet. And for those who disagree, typically their perception of what “shredded” vs. “fat” is will vastly differ from mine. Basically the take away message is, you cannot rely on anabolics to get you shredded, their sole purpose should be muscle retention or muscle building focused.


If you want a certain guide on a peptide, Steroid or any other topic correlated with pharmacology, endocronology and steroid usage please inform me.

You got a few things wrong, but overall it looks like a thread that can actually contribute to this forum.

 

[Deleted member 96940]

There is:
Thread 'First Steroid Cycle'
https://looksmax.org/threads/first-steroid-cycle.10771/

6 years ago, im pretty sure that its not uptodate anymore

 

[Deleted member 110192]

6 years ago, im pretty sure that its not uptodate anymore

Nothing really changed since then (when it come to the basics of cycle, which is what he included in the thread) so you can rely on it.

 

[Org3cel]

You got a few things wrong, but overall it looks like a thread that can actually contribute to this forum.

What did I got wrong?

 

[Deleted member 178786]

Well written and informative thread

 

[C3PO]

10% body fat on an athletic frame year round

You should specify not to do this if still in puberty

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

Sure.

Elaborate. 200mg test E to 200 mg sustanon? And why would u switch?

Dont wqnt to pin every 3.5 days. Worst case scenario is that I get to inject every 2-3 weeks so if Im on test E, Ill get ass raped.

Yeah, is it a 1 to 1 swjtch die to the lengrh of esters changibg the actual amount kf testosterone it contains. Like prop has a shorter ester and contains more testosterone. It makes a marginal diffwrence betqeen Eth and cyp, but might be a difference between the othwrs iirx

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

Sure.

Elaborate. 200mg test E to 200 mg sustanon? And why would u switch?

Im gwtting made out to be a retard. Over

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

You should specify not to do this if still in puberty

Lean is lqw. Cant skay highechool jbs otherwise

 

[Org3cel]

Dont wqnt to pin every 3.5 days. Worst case scenario is that I get to inject every 2-3 weeks so if Im on test E, Ill get ass raped.

Yeah, is it a 1 to 1 swjtch die to the lengrh of esters changibg the actual amount kf testosterone it contains. Like prop has a shorter ester and contains more testosterone. It makes a marginal diffwrence betqeen Eth and cyp, but might be a difference between the othwrs iirx

Just pin 3 times a week man, dont fuck ur organs over ur fear of needles

 

[Org3cel]

You should specify not to do this if still in puberty

I did specify that surpressing ur appetite would be bad, 12-15% bf is ideal in puberty

 

[C3PO]

Lean is lqw. Cant skay highechool jbs otherwise

Dont understand your slang but a year at 10 percent bf is really bad for puberty, 14+ percent imp or 12 minimum

 

[Org3cel]

Bump @R@m@

 

[SouthAfricancel]

You can do a basic cycle with 35€ a month

For real ? What's the source

 

[Org3cel]

For real ? What's the source

Check PMs

 

[Org3cel]

@ascensionneeeded check this and see if u learn anything, rep and bump it for me

 

[Wasting_my_life]

Good thread

 

[Org3cel]

Good thread

that means alot coming from a user that made his account 7 years ago, why so little posts?

 

[Wasting_my_life]

Thoughts on this?

Run CJC with DAC September to November while lean bulking. (Currently already have been lean bulking since March/April).

December to go back to baseline.

First week of January fully off from workouts to deload.
Start back right after with a short 5-6 weeks cutting phase to go down to 12% bf.

Start 12 weeks 300 mg test cycle beginning of March, with 10-20 mg of Anavar first 4 weeks. Switch from fin (already been using for 2 years) to dut.

Do PCT afterwards abd wait for values to go back to baseline. Goal would be for this to be my first and only cycle.

Age: 25
Been working consistently for 5 years
Currently running PPL 6 days a week, 1 day a week cardio (sports, currently on pause)

 

[Wasting_my_life]

that means alot coming from a user that made his account 7 years ago, why so little posts?

I was here when the website was created and spammed on .net

I used to post on .net, haven’t engaged with the community much since that got shut down

 

[Org3cel]

Thoughts on this?

Run CJC with DAC September to November while lean bulking. (Currently already have been lean bulking since March/April).

December to go back to baseline.

use 5 ius of HGH instead, best disage and much more effective for your goals

First week of January fully off from workouts to deload.
Start back right after with a short 5-6 weeks cutting phase to go down to 12% bf.

Start 12 weeks 300 mg test cycle beginning of March, with 10-20 mg of Anavar first 4 weeks. Switch from fin (already been using for 2 years) to dut.

the test dosage seems fine, im not a very var fan since its been compared to vitamin A in some studies, so I would rather u add another oral or just keep it simple

Do PCT afterwards abd wait for values to go back to baseline. Goal would be for this to be my first and only cycle.

pct is a meme use a strong ai for a week to get ur test levels back. and run hcg the whole cycle if u want fertility

Age: 25
Been working consistently for 5 years
Currently running PPL 6 days a week, 1 day a week cardio (sports, currently on pause)

 

[Deleted member 110192]

use 5 ius of HGH instead, best disage and much more effective for your goals

the test dosage seems fine, im not a very var fan since its been compared to vitamin A in some studies, so I would rather u add another oral or just keep it simple

pct is a meme use a strong ai for a week to get ur test levels back. and run hcg the whole cycle if u want fertility

Tbh being here for 7 years and still asking the most basics questions is comical.

 

[Org3cel]

@Copercel thank you for still being here bud
2 am and I cant fall asleep fuckkk

 

[Deleted member 110192]

@Copercel thank you for still being here bud
2 am and I cant fall asleep fuckkk

4 am here

 

[Org3cel]

Tbh being here for 7 years and still asking the most basics questions is comical.

ur account mogs mine more posts and more rep, mirin

 

[Deleted member 110192]

ur account mogs mine more posts and more rep, mirin

Nah posts mean nothing. But yeah the REP is fucking peak

 

[Org3cel]

Nah posts mean nothing. But yeah the REP is fucking peak

Im tryna get that 2 on 1 rep ratio but its harddd

 

[Deleted member 110192]

Im tryna get that 2 on 1 rep ratio but its harddd

Just rot on offtopic

 

[Org3cel]

Just rot on offtopic

I hate it there I prefer looksmax ovahhh

 

[Org3cel]

@truthhurts long time no see, wassupp

 

[Deleted member 110192]

I hate it there I prefer looksmax ovahhh

Tbh it’s way more entertaining there but I feel like my brain is rotting when I’m reading the threads there.

 

[Org3cel]

Tbh it’s way more entertaining there but I feel like my brain is rotting when I’m reading the threads there.

I need to max my skills, I need to do 3 high quality threads to have the contributor badge, this will be one of them
also wanna have at least one thread on BOTB I wanna mark history
@Duke Archer is this the kind of dreams that ENTJs have??

 

[Deleted member 110192]

I need to max my skills, I need to do 3 high quality threads to have the contributor badge, this will be one of them
also wanna have at least one thread on BOTB I wanna mark history
@Duke Archer is this the kind of dreams that ENTJs have??

I’m pretty sure that you can get the Contributer badge when you have thread in BOTB only.
Even then it’s not guaranteed, you need to have good status.

For example @Sadist have two threads on BOTB and still don’t have the badge.

 

[Org3cel]

@greys for everyone reading this thread click on the button under my post, that will make you a nice guy, do that to every thread and post u see of other users too.
literally 30 ppl watching the thread but 0 comments abt it

 

[Org3cel]

I’m pretty sure that you can get the Contributer badge when you have thread in BOTB only.
Even then it’s not guaranteed, you need to have good status.

For example @Sadist have two threads on BOTB and still don’t have the badge.

yeah I think u need to ask for contributor too and allat, insane how he has 2 threads on BOTB fuckk I need to come up with something new, im creativity biggest enemy

 

[Deleted member 110192]

yeah I think u need to ask for contributor too and allat, insane how he has 2 threads on BOTB fuckk I need to come up with something new, im creativity biggest enemy

I think everything have been covered tbh.

And I think that the Contributer badge is given. You don’t ask for it.

 

[Org3cel]

I think everything have been covered tbh.

sadly yeah I think so, niggas in 2020 would get BOTB over fashion shitt

And I think that the Contributer badge is given. You don’t ask for it.

yes but u can still do that if u click on ur profile theres an option, verification badge rquests

 

[Deleted member 110192]

sadly yeah I think so, niggas in 2020 would get BOTB over fashion shitt

yeah imagine going back in time and copy pasting all the BOTB threads. You will be a forum legend.

yes but u can still do that if u click on ur profile theres an option, verification badge rquests

oh yeah MB.

 

[Org3cel]

yeah imagine going back in time and copy pasting all the BOTB threads. You will be a forum legend.

theres a guy that was contriubtor and mod he literally has 5 BOTB threads there crazyy

oh yeah MB.

np boss, we need to find a loyal repper to this conversation or else our ratio will stagnate, you know anyone cool? @MyDreamIsToBe183CM was banned

 

[Deleted member 110192]

np boss, we need to find a loyal repper to this conversation or else our ratio will stagnate, you know anyone cool? @MyDreamIsToBe183CM was banned

I would tag @2414763h but he is only repping, we need someone to engage with us AND rep at the same time. I can’t think of someone like that.
Also why is @MyDreamIsToBe183CM banned? He was a great user.

theres a guy that was contriubtor and mod he literally has 5 BOTB threads there crazyy

Really?who?

 

[Org3cel]

I would tag @2414763h but he is only repping, we need someone to engage with us AND rep at the same time. I can’t think of someone like that.

rep is good, but yes we need someone better, where are my fellow NT moggers?? like tf they at bfr

Also why is @MyDreamIsToBe183CM banned? He was a great user.

doxx lol, the thing is it was a public server

Really?who?

@garoupilled_ what a legend

 

[Deleted member 110192]

rep is good, but yes we need someone better, where are my fellow NT moggers?? like tf they at bfr

everyone left it’s really sad unironically.

doxx lol, the thing is it was a public server

I liked him

@garoupilled_ what a legend

what happened? Why isn’t he a mod and a contributor?

 

[Org3cel]

everyone left it’s really sad unironically.

Yeah its sad now man so many users I enjoyed seeing, just went NT, I cant talk much cause I was offline most of the time but this summer just aint it, Ive went to 7 concerts at the start everything was amazing then boom, just no patrties to go out etc, I need to go out this weekend tbh

I liked him

same bro

what happened? Why isn’t he a mod and a contributor?

1 year innactivbe, he used to be both