6’3 18 How can i ascend?

[notagreytrust]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

 

[ICL]

Nice angularity

I'd say the problem is the lips. They are small

 

[notagreytrust]

bump

 

[notagreytrust]

Nice angularity

I'd say the problem is the lips. They are small

i agree any advice on that?

 

[notagreytrust]

Nice angularity

I'd say the problem is the lips. They are small

specifically upper lip

 

[ICL]

i agree any advice on that?

I'm not sure if they 100% work, but try Vaseline and wear it all the time. Additionally, use volufiline.


If these dont work you may get a lip lift/filler/fat graft

 

[ICL]

specifically upper lip

Both are somewhat narrow

 

[notagreytrust]

I'm not sure if they 100% work, but try Vaseline and wear it all the time. Additionally, use volufiline.


If these dont work you may get a lip lift/filler/fat graft

vaseline won’t do shit volufuline might but idk if it’s permanent

 

[v.3ex]

no reason to ascend you can get bitches bro

 

[notagreytrust]

no reason to ascend you can get bitches bro

how should i go abt that then and also its never enough

 

[ICL]

no reason to ascend you can get bitches bro

No need to ascend is misleading


you can always be better... get more bitches, etc.

 

[v.3ex]

how should i go abt that then and also its never enough

work on game, and yes it’s not enough but it’s sufficient

 

[v.3ex]

No need to ascend is misleading


you can always be better... get more bitches, etc.

already sufficient enough to get bitches, he doesn’t need anymore, what’s even the point

 

[Kojo]

No need to ascend is misleading


you can always be better... get more bitches, etc.

I don't rlly agree w this, he already has the capacity to get bitches. If you're not an incel or not an incel but still struggling then yeah you have a necessity to ascend. But this guy clearly looks good enough to get girls pretty easily, also is obviously at his genetic peak.

Only facial augmentations he could do would be surgery

 

[12thdisciple]

You dont have to, get off the forum bro

 

[Kojo]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

You look insanely good already, if you want to improve things you could go into surgery which just isn't worth it when you already look like a slayer

 

[Kojo]

You dont have to, get off the forum bro

Literally

 

[notagreytrust]

I don't rlly agree w this, he already has the capacity to get bitches. If you're not an incel or not an incel but still struggling then yeah you have a necessity to ascend. But this guy clearly looks good enough to get girls pretty easily, also is obviously at his genetic peak.

Only facial augmentations he could do would be surgery

i’m definitely not an incel but i do struggle ngl Ive never had a real gf i mean mostly by choice cuz i didn’t want to date down but like i don’t see girls on a weekly basis and do feel kinda lonely no roster or anything but i should

 

[ICL]

I don't rlly agree w this, he already has the capacity to get bitches. If you're not an incel or not an incel but still struggling then yeah you have a necessity to ascend. But this guy clearly looks good enough to get girls pretty easily, also is obviously at his genetic peak.

Only facial augmentations he could do would be surgery

He could get a better mouth. That's appeal on itself and better harmony.


It's not about "Its sufficient for bitches". What if chad comes and mogs you in every aspect? Would you be comfortable? No. You either need to be the chad, or have something like chad.

 

[messsiahh]

i agree any advice on that?

Volufiline might work i haven’t tried it but i heard it creates puffiness

 

[Kojo]

i’m definitely not an incel but i do struggle ngl Ive never had a real gf i mean mostly by choice cuz i didn’t want to date down but like i don’t see girls on a weekly basis and do feel kinda lonely no roster or anything but i should

Trust me you're at a looks level that you could get girls easily LTR's are different obviously but if we're talking about being a slayer you'll pull by just existing most of the time. You seem tall too

 

[notagreytrust]

yeah lips my biggest flaw is there any way to improve that or nah?

He could get a better mouth. That's appeal on itself and better harmony.


It's not about "Its sufficient for bitches". What if chad comes and mogs you in every aspect? Would you be comfortable? No. You either need to be the chad, or have something like chad.

 

[v.3ex]

mostly by choice cuz

nigga’s a volcel. just get hinge or some shit

 

[notagreytrust]

Trust me you're at a looks level that you could get girls easily LTR's are different obviously but if we're talking about being a slayer you'll pull by just existing most of the time. You seem tall too

u reckon i dont seem to pull just by existing i mean online i get compliments and interest but never really goes anywhere girls be wasting time for attention idk

 

[ICL]

yeah lips my biggest flaw is there any way to improve that or nah?

Try volufiline

If not then lipofiller

 

[notagreytrust]

nigga’s a volcel. just get hinge or some shit

got banned lmaoo

 

[Kojo]

He could get a better mouth. That's appeal on itself and better harmony.


It's not about "Its sufficient for bitches". What if chad comes and mogs you in every aspect? Would you be comfortable? No. You either need to be the chad, or have something like chad.

This is a retarded internet sensation being pushed by incels "You need to be the best bro what if chad comes" literally the most cope retard ideology I've ever seen. if you're being literal, "chads" are way too rare to even consider that but if you just mean someone better looking, also going to be really fucking rare.

Looks are the most important but they aren't going to matter as much when you have 2 guys and one already looks extremely good but the other one is better. Women don't operate on a "only as faithful as their options" basis.

 

[Kojo]

u reckon i dont seem to pull just by existing i mean online i get compliments and interest but never really goes anywhere girls be wasting time for attention idk

Yeah, I mean depends on the girl often because in more degenerate or "easy" places it would be like this like miami for example. People on here don't seem to understand that looks are just to gateway to women it's not going to sustain you for long periods of time.

Or if you're timid and not acting on the interest given they won't just start thirsting over to you since women are really fucking egotistical. Especially when it comes to men.

 

[notagreytrust]

Yeah, I mean depends on the girl often because in more degenerate or "easy" places it would be like this like miami for example. People on here don't seem to understand that looks are just to gateway to women it's not going to sustain you for long periods of time.

Or if you're timid and not acting on the interest given they won't just start thirsting over to you since women are really fucking egotistical. Especially when it comes to men.

hmm ur right u kinda have to reciprocate interest also yeah my town only has like 100k population bro i really wanna move to a big city probably australia for a fresh start and improve my dating life 10x

 

[Kojo]

hmm ur right u kinda have to reciprocate interest also yeah my town only has like 100k population bro i really wanna move to a big city probably australia for a fresh start and improve my dating life 10x

Yeah, if you want to slay I'd say to geomaxx. But if you're an LTR guy then I'd 110% just stay in the small town and find a good girl that loves you

 

[notagreytrust]

Yeah, if you want to slay I'd say to geomaxx. But if you're an LTR guy then I'd 110% just stay in the small town and find a good girl that loves you

i’m only 18 my friend did just move to australia at 17 for a good paying job haha so might consider moving too maybe when i have a qualification or a bit older but thanks for the advice i appreciate it i’ll defintely start giving more attention to girls showing interest

 

[notagreytrust]

Yeah, if you want to slay I'd say to geomaxx. But if you're an LTR guy then I'd 110% just stay in the small town and find a good girl that loves you

i do also have to probably work on my social skills as well etc as often I don’t talk to people first cuz i don’t rlly see the point lol but im fixing that slowly

 

[Kojo]

i do also have to probably work on my social skills as well etc as often I don’t talk to people first cuz i don’t rlly see the point lol but im fixing that slowly

Good luck bhai

 

[ICL]

This is a retarded internet sensation being pushed by incels "You need to be the best bro what if chad comes" literally the most cope retard ideology I've ever seen. if you're being literal, "chads" are way too rare to even consider that but if you just mean someone better looking, also going to be really fucking rare.

Looks are the most important but they aren't going to matter as much when you have 2 guys and one already looks extremely good but the other one is better. Women don't operate on a "only as faithful as their options" basis.

That isn't the point.

Why wouldn't you look better? This is practically on par w/ bluepill. Why? The ROI of these procedures are very good.


What's the point of saying "it's sufficient"?
Nothing.
But the point of undergoing the procedures exists. Since you look better, they're not too expensive, and they are safe.

He isn't getting lefort 3. Smh

his is a retarded internet sensation being pushed by incels "You need to be the best bro what if chad comes" literally the most cope retard ideology I've ever seen.

That isn't the point. It's a scenario. Simply not being better? Why?

 

[JporkFoid]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

true Woolworths worker

 

[notagreytrust]

true Woolworths worker

LMAO bro

 

[sigmablud42069]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

geunuine rope fuel, org should have a lmtn max

 

[notagreytrust]

geunuine rope fuel, org should have a lmtn max

bruh don’t be fooled i’m still lonely man

 

[Kojo]

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[Kojo]

That isn't the point.

Why wouldn't you look better? This is practically on par w/ bluepill. Why? The ROI of these procedures are very good.


What's the point of saying "it's sufficient"?
Nothing.
But the point of undergoing the procedures exists. Since you look better, they're not too expensive, and they are safe.

He isn't getting lefort 3. Smh

That isn't the point. It's a scenario. Simply not being better? Why?

Because it's not needed, you'll always be able to improve in every single aspect regardless of how much procedures you do. Constantly trying to improve yourself when you literally already have enough is low iq.

Why would you look better? There's 0 reason to look better if you are already enough, it's like trying to overfill a cup that's already full it's pointless and unnecessary.

Also the argument I made wasn't just "it's sufficient" because that implies a bare minimum. So don't strawman, he is a great deal over the bare minimum which is why it isn't needed at all and not good ROI he'll be getting a procedure to do what he already does.

Negligible gains.

Of course he isn't getting lefort 3 but these things still cost money, most being well over 3k lmfao you can invest that into making more money in a different industry or put it down for interest for future kids if he ever wishes to have any.

Your live should never be fully devoted to your looks to the point you're sacrificing things for looks that last 10 years max.

This isn't bluepilled, you're just being a hardcore blackpiller. We all acknowledge lookism and genetic determinism with appearance but that doesn't say "Yeah bro all that matters is looks" that's a retarded hardcore bp mentality that isn't even true. Incel cope.

Betterment requires a logical reason for change that you can't gain in your current position.

Bluepill would say looks doesn't matter that much and that you don't NEED to improve your looks if you're ugly, what I'm saying is literally not even close to bluepill I said there's a point where it's already more than enough for your goals so there's no need to improve from THAT point.

 

[ICL]

Because it's not needed, you'll always be able to improve in every single aspect regardless of how much procedures you do. Constantly trying to improve yourself when you literally already have enough is low iq.

Elaborate now why it would be low IQ

Why would you look better? There's 0 reason to look better if you are already enough, it's like trying to overfill a cup that's already full it's pointless and unnecessary.

Your argument is literally the absence of another argument. That's fallacious

But I'll explain why you'd look better. Because... You'd be treated better? Looks matter, it's not about looks being everything. Him looking better will yield better results. Simple. It's not that it's the primary factor of what the results are. It's just that since looks matter, being better in terms of looks is always a positive. Not doing so is pointless, due to the fact that refraining from improving changes nothing, but improving changes things.
Also what kind of analogy is that? A better on would be if you have sufficient water in a cup to prevent dehydration, but you could have more. Overfilling is impossible if you're trying to keep the analogy logical. And it's not like he'll ever look "too good". That's not a looksmax goal. That's almost always straight up genes.

Also the argument I made wasn't just "it's sufficient" because that implies a bare minimum. So don't strawman, he is a great deal over the bare minimum which is why it isn't needed at all and not good ROI he'll be getting a procedure to do what he already does.

I'm not strawmanning. You said he has enough. That means sufficient. Enough and sufficient is literally the same, how is sufficient meaning bare minimum? You're the straw man here.

t all and not good ROI he'll be getting a procedure to do what he already does.

Negligible gains.

Mouth procedures are very benign, cheap and fast. Why would you reject that? Thin lips is a failo that even normies consciously detect. The mouth and nose are literally the most important for facial aesthetics. The mouth is literally in the middle of the face. It plays a huge role in harmony.

Of course he isn't getting lefort 3 but these things still cost money, most being well over 3k lmfao you can invest that into making more money in a different industry or put it down for interest for future kids if he ever wishes to have any.

This point is redundant. Why?
The ROI of the procedures are good. The 3K isn't as expensive as most surgeries, and it is a minimally invasive procedure. As previously stated, the mouth is crucial to facial harmony. Hence, that means that any process affecting it possitively would yield impressive results.

Here's a lip lift procedure. She literally doubled her Chin-to-Philtrum. He has the same mouth.. He can decrease his philtrum length with this: crucial harmony effect.

Your live should never be fully devoted to your looks to the point you're sacrificing things for looks that last 10 years max.

Acting like the money put on these procedures are abysmally high. Dude. 2-3K$. Minimum wage in US is 12$. 8 hours of minimum wage is 100$ a day.


In a month, you can get enough money for a lip lift. Obviously that doesn't count necessities, so, let's be generous. Lets assume 50% go to necessities [which it wouldn't] so now its 2 months. 2 Months of work? This is MINIMUM WAGE btw. There are many better and more efficient methods. If he got a well paying Job he could get this lift in weeks. What 10 years? You're acting like we're getting OBO. Dude this is a lip lift. It's benign, quick, long lasting, and relatively cheap.

This isn't bluepilled, you're just being a hardcore blackpiller. We all acknowledge lookism and genetic determinism with appearance but that doesn't say "Yeah bro all that matters is looks" that's a retarded hardcore bp mentality that isn't even true. Incel cope.

I never uttered this.
Here's a logic that can help you comprehend what's happening:
Looks matter? Yes
Do looks affect your life? Yes
Do they dictate your life? No
That means any effects on your looks affects your life. But it doesn't dictate it.
You're forgetting what you are. You are forgetting what WE are. This is looksmax.org LOOKS MAXX.
A lip lift is barely shallow in terms of the rabbit hole. So, we're not even close to looks maxing.

Betterment requires a logical reason for change that you can't gain in your current position.

Improve looks -> better life? yes.
As stated before [Repeating so you dont say this again] even though looks dont dictate your life, They DO affect your life. So if you can affect your looks? It affects your life. It doesn't dictate it of course. All of this is optional.


But when you're asking for advice? What do you expect? Geniunely what am I meant to say, If you deem looksmaxxing unnecessary in this situation? I gave them what they asked for: benign, cheap, quick, long lasting procedure. How is this bad ROI? Negligible gains?
Impossible.

Bluepill would say looks doesn't matter that much and that you don't NEED to improve your looks if you're ugly, what I'm saying is literally not even close to bluepill I said there's a point where it's already more than enough for your goals so there's no need to improve from THAT point.

Well yea... Obviously you aren't a bluepiller. But you sound like one.
Here's what you said [unambigious and unfiltered BTW, this is your candid statements]:

"Bluepill would say looks doesn't matter that much and that you don't NEED to improve your looks if you're ugly,"

"Because it's not needed, you'll always be able to improve in every single aspect regardless of how much procedures you do."

Sounds similar. Again, I'm not saying you're a bluepiller. Simply, your logic is approaching to the bluepill side. Also, that "always be able to improve" is impossible. There's a limit to how big your implants can be. Limit to how much filler you can use. There are fails you cant fix.
Now don't take that last part seriously, I'm not telling him to use implants. But if we actually went hardcore "never enough", it would be fillers and osteotomies. Not fucking lip lifts.

note: Some of this may not make sense. I can't pay attention properly, so, try to read as coherently as possible. That's assuming if you will read.

Spoiler: Inb4's

Inb4 DNR
Inb4 Fallacy
Inb4 Exaggeration
Inb4 Short reply

 

[notagreytrust]

Yeah, if you want to slay I'd say to geomaxx. But if you're an LTR guy then I'd 110% just stay in the small town and find a good girl that loves you

Good luck bhai

bro I took ur advice and escalated with girls that show interest this htb that went to my gym started a convo on snap so i asked if she’s down to go to the gym sometime and she’s down fuck yea

 

[Kojo]

Elaborate now why it would be low IQ

Your argument is literally the absence of another argument. That's fallacious

But I'll explain why you'd look better. Because... You'd be treated better? Looks matter, it's not about looks being everything. Him looking better will yield better results. Simple. It's not that it's the primary factor of what the results are. It's just that since looks matter, being better in terms of looks is always a positive. Not doing so is pointless, due to the fact that refraining from improving changes nothing, but improving changes things.
Also what kind of analogy is that? A better on would be if you have sufficient water in a cup to prevent dehydration, but you could have more. Overfilling is impossible if you're trying to keep the analogy logical. And it's not like he'll ever look "too good". That's not a looksmax goal. That's almost always straight up genes.

I'm not strawmanning. You said he has enough. That means sufficient. Enough and sufficient is literally the same, how is sufficient meaning bare minimum? You're the straw man here.


Mouth procedures are very benign, cheap and fast. Why would you reject that? Thin lips is a failo that even normies consciously detect. The mouth and nose are literally the most important for facial aesthetics. The mouth is literally in the middle of the face. It plays a huge role in harmony.

This point is redundant. Why?
The ROI of the procedures are good. The 3K isn't as expensive as most surgeries, and it is a minimally invasive procedure. As previously stated, the mouth is crucial to facial harmony. Hence, that means that any process affecting it possitively would yield impressive results.
View attachment 4834138
Here's a lip lift procedure. She literally doubled her Chin-to-Philtrum. He has the same mouth.. He can decrease his philtrum length with this: crucial harmony effect.

Acting like the money put on these procedures are abysmally high. Dude. 2-3K$. Minimum wage in US is 12$. 8 hours of minimum wage is 100$ a day.


In a month, you can get enough money for a lip lift. Obviously that doesn't count necessities, so, let's be generous. Lets assume 50% go to necessities [which it wouldn't] so now its 2 months. 2 Months of work? This is MINIMUM WAGE btw. There are many better and more efficient methods. If he got a well paying Job he could get this lift in weeks. What 10 years? You're acting like we're getting OBO. Dude this is a lip lift. It's benign, quick, long lasting, and relatively cheap.

I never uttered this.
Here's a logic that can help you comprehend what's happening:
Looks matter? Yes
Do looks affect your life? Yes
Do they dictate your life? No
That means any effects on your looks affects your life. But it doesn't dictate it.
You're forgetting what you are. You are forgetting what WE are. This is looksmax.org LOOKS MAXX.
A lip lift is barely shallow in terms of the rabbit hole. So, we're not even close to looks maxing.


Improve looks -> better life? yes.
As stated before [Repeating so you dont say this again] even though looks dont dictate your life, They DO affect your life. So if you can affect your looks? It affects your life. It doesn't dictate it of course. All of this is optional.


But when you're asking for advice? What do you expect? Geniunely what am I meant to say, If you deem looksmaxxing unnecessary in this situation? I gave them what they asked for: benign, cheap, quick, long lasting procedure. How is this bad ROI? Negligible gains?
Impossible.

Well yea... Obviously you aren't a bluepiller. But you sound like one.
Here's what you said [unambigious and unfiltered BTW, this is your candid statements]:

"Bluepill would say looks doesn't matter that much and that you don't NEED to improve your looks if you're ugly,"

"Because it's not needed, you'll always be able to improve in every single aspect regardless of how much procedures you do."

Sounds similar. Again, I'm not saying you're a bluepiller. Simply, your logic is approaching to the bluepill side. Also, that "always be able to improve" is impossible. There's a limit to how big your implants can be. Limit to how much filler you can use. There are fails you cant fix.
Now don't take that last part seriously, I'm not telling him to use implants. But if we actually went hardcore "never enough", it would be fillers and osteotomies. Not fucking lip lifts.

note: Some of this may not make sense. I can't pay attention properly, so, try to read as coherently as possible. That's assuming if you will read.

Spoiler: Inb4's

Inb4 DNR
Inb4 Fallacy
Inb4 Exaggeration
Inb4 Short reply

I was banned, will respond now

 

[Kojo]

bro I took ur advice and escalated with girls that show interest this htb that went to my gym started a convo on snap so i asked if she’s down to go to the gym sometime and she’s down fuck yea

Exactly

 

[Kez Adam]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

mtn good height

 

[Deleted member 203845]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

Chad

 

[Kojo]

Elaborate now why it would be low IQ

It would be low iq because there's not much roi for a specific goal, he already gets girls and has the capacity to get literally any girl. Looksmaxxing mainly is for getting out of inceldom through the pathway of improving looks.

Once you hit a certain looks level to where you are COMFORTABLY able to get a good amount of women consistently you literally do not need to improve past that unless you're in a densely populated place that's very primal like florida or california or something.

Your argument is literally the absence of another argument. That's fallacious

This fallacy is called the argument from silence if you didn't know and I didn't commit that lol. I said "why would you want?" to initially as a rhetorical statement then followed up with analogical reasoning so this is a stupid callout.

But I'll explain why you'd look better. Because... You'd be treated better? Looks matter, it's not about looks being everything. Him looking better will yield better results. Simple. It's not that it's the primary factor of what the results are. It's just that since looks matter, being better in terms of looks is always a positive. Not doing so is pointless, due to the fact that refraining from improving changes nothing, but improving changes things.
Also what kind of analogy is that? A better on would be if you have sufficient water in a cup to prevent dehydration, but you could have more. Overfilling is impossible if you're trying to keep the analogy logical. And it's not like he'll ever look "too good". That's not a looksmax goal. That's almost always straight up genes.

This isn't the linear curve that you think it is. This principle doesn't operate such that "Any improvement to your looks even if its not drastic or needed is going to result in more lookism" Once again a stupid spectacle. If he already has more than enough he doesn't need more.

This is purely theoretical thinking that doesn't account for how things actually work in reality, he has come back and said he took MY advice and was successful. Because it's true.

The truth is, he's a really good looking guy and can literally get anyone he wants why would he get surgery for a bit of a plus when everyone is going to have some kind of failo regardless. This is PRINCIPALLY like telling Jordan Barrett to get downgraft because he'll "look better" and "reap the benefit" when he already has all the benefits of looks.

"refraining from improving changes nothing, but improving changes things." This point literally just presupposes that I change is desired or needed in the first place when that's the thing in question. Don't beg the question.

Also you clearly can't understand analogies, you don't need to contain it with logical constituents to understand the point being explained. At the bottom line, the argument is that doing unnecessarily more is just not a good idea especially when there are minor stakes.

I'm not strawmanning. You said he has enough. That means sufficient. Enough and sufficient is literally the same, how is sufficient meaning bare minimum? You're the straw man here.

I said he has more than enough multiple times, it wasn't just reduced to "it's enough." lol

Sufficient also would be bare minimum as there's no additional quantifiers for the sufficiency it's just rhetorical dialect. For example "There's enough" vs "There's more than enough" or you could have "That can do" vs "That's what I needed"

Also don't just reflect strawmans that's not how debates go. Saying sufficient = bare minimum isn't a strawman jfl

Mouth procedures are very benign, cheap and fast. Why would you reject that? Thin lips is a failo that even normies consciously detect. The mouth and nose are literally the most important for facial aesthetics. The mouth is literally in the middle of the face. It plays a huge role in harmony.

Literally does not matter, everyone has failos in which this isn't a failo that's big enough to detract from his looks significantly he literally shows this is the case lmfao you guys on this forum are genuinely losing the plot.

We looksmax for females, not for stupid incel autists on an incel forum. He has achieved the end goal of what everyone is usually supposed to use this forum to aim for, getting surgery is literally a stupid idea that he does not need at all.

Sure if he WANTED to do that he could, but at that point he's moving away from the goal of all of this because he already has reached the finish line.

This is also going to be negligible gains like I said it's not gonna just spawn him double the women he already gets he only needs/wants 1 I believe. Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not.

The argument also isn't "It's unsafe and expensive" the argument is the money could go anywhere else better because of the fact he doesn't need the procedure.

This point is redundant. Why?
The ROI of the procedures are good. The 3K isn't as expensive as most surgeries, and it is a minimally invasive procedure. As previously stated, the mouth is crucial to facial harmony. Hence, that means that any process affecting it possitively would yield impressive results.
View attachment 4834138
Here's a lip lift procedure. She literally doubled her Chin-to-Philtrum. He has the same mouth.. He can decrease his philtrum length with this: crucial harmony effect.

Acting like the money put on these procedures are abysmally high. Dude. 2-3K$. Minimum wage in US is 12$. 8 hours of minimum wage is 100$ a day.


In a month, you can get enough money for a lip lift. Obviously that doesn't count necessities, so, let's be generous. Lets assume 50% go to necessities [which it wouldn't] so now its 2 months. 2 Months of work? This is MINIMUM WAGE btw. There are many better and more efficient methods. If he got a well paying Job he could get this lift in weeks. What 10 years? You're acting like we're getting OBO. Dude this is a lip lift. It's benign, quick, long lasting, and relatively cheap.

You're still acting like I'm saying the procedure is expensive. Once again, the money could go elsewhere is a supportive point for the main point which is the fact that it is NOT NEEDED. And if he did get it, it would not boost or change his life in literally any way.

This example you're using is literally a good point of what I'm saying. She went from ugly to still really fucking ugly.. Because she has other bigger failos than her lips. Conversely, it is the case that this guys other features outweigh his lips.

yes it's a cheap mini ascension/improvement but he should be asking himself "Do I even need this for my goal? Is the ROI big enough to actually impact how things are?" The answer is fucking no and he already agreed the answer is no.

I never uttered this.
Here's a logic that can help you comprehend what's happening:
Looks matter? Yes
Do looks affect your life? Yes
Do they dictate your life? No
That means any effects on your looks affects your life. But it doesn't dictate it.
You're forgetting what you are. You are forgetting what WE are. This is looksmax.org LOOKS MAXX.
A lip lift is barely shallow in terms of the rabbit hole. So, we're not even close to looks maxing.

I wasn't saying you specifically said this, but it still follows the pattern recognition.

Also this is just a fallacy of shifting the quantifier. "Looks affect your life, They don't dictate it therefore any change in looks affects your life" Is a textbook example of shifting the quantifier and cherry picking. Just because looks affect your life, there's still variables you aren't picking out to account for.

You're also completely ignoring that these variables consider whether your life is really affected anymore. Sure if I have poor maxilla recession whilst being fat and a bad hairstyle, fixing these things will change your life drastically.

But this isn't a linear curve, Having almost everything dialed in to some degree except one failo isn't going to change your life for the best or the worst especially when it's not bone-oriented.

"My eyelashes aren't as long as they could be" yes minoxidil would be good but is it needed if you're a slayer already? No. and if they're still decent enough anyways all the more reason it isn't needed.

Improve looks -> better life? yes.
As stated before [Repeating so you dont say this again] even though looks dont dictate your life, They DO affect your life. So if you can affect your looks? It affects your life. It doesn't dictate it of course. All of this is optional.


But when you're asking for advice? What do you expect? Geniunely what am I meant to say, If you deem looksmaxxing unnecessary in this situation? I gave them what they asked for: benign, cheap, quick, long lasting procedure. How is this bad ROI? Negligible gains?
Impossible.

Already responded to the "looks = better life" thing

This is why I interrogate people when they ask for advice. I also ask for the goal, in this case he wants to "looksmaxx" for girls but doesn't even realise that the "problem" he's having is coming from his mind not his looks.

Hence I gave him more impactful advice that he actually took on and helped him.

Gains r neg

Well yea... Obviously you aren't a bluepiller. But you sound like one.
Here's what you said [unambigious and unfiltered BTW, this is your candid statements]:

"Bluepill would say looks doesn't matter that much and that you don't NEED to improve your looks if you're ugly,"

"Because it's not needed, you'll always be able to improve in every single aspect regardless of how much procedures you do."

Sounds similar. Again, I'm not saying you're a bluepiller. Simply, your logic is approaching to the bluepill side. Also, that "always be able to improve" is impossible. There's a limit to how big your implants can be. Limit to how much filler you can use. There are fails you cant fix.
Now don't take that last part seriously, I'm not telling him to use implants. But if we actually went hardcore "never enough", it would be fillers and osteotomies. Not fucking lip lifts.

note: Some of this may not make sense. I can't pay attention properly, so, try to read as coherently as possible. That's assuming if you will read.

Spoiler: Inb4's

Inb4 DNR
Inb4 Fallacy
Inb4 Exaggeration
Inb4 Short reply

I wouldn't even say I sound like one or is giving a "borderline" bluepill ideology. You're just taking 1 component of what I said and attributing that to being bluepill when what I'm saying is just reality.

"Because it's not need, you'll always be able to improve in every single aspect regardless of how much procedures you do." Yes, I'm not saying how this is similar to bluepill. Again you can't just create a similarity off of the basis that there is a similar word or context of whether something is "needed" or not.

A bluepiller would say looks doesn't matter and improvement is unnecessary.
I am saying looks are necessary and DO matter. Taking it a step further, they matter the most. Taking it a step even further,
You need a certain looks level for the ability to consistently get girls.

These worldviews aren't similar at all it's just that you're cherry picking my idea that once you get to a certain looks level you don't need to continue looksmaxxing other than maintenance of your looks obviously.

Doesn't "approach" the bluepill side either. They couldn't even agree with me on the most basic point of looks lol genuine cagefuel


I'm dnring next response too, this was way too time consuming.
You can just read this and agree to disagree.

 

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Also this is just a fallacy of shifting the quantifier. "Looks affect your life, They don't dictate it therefore any change in looks affects your life" Is a textbook example of shifting the quantifier and cherry picking. Just because looks affect your life, there's still variables you aren't picking out to account for.

Acting like you can only improve looks and not other traits. Lol, you can only fix looks after you get the money. What cherrypicking? This thread is about looks and how to ascend.
And you completely misinterpreted shifting the quantifier. My argument isn't fallacious. If you affect your looks, you affect your life, since looks affect life. How could this be fallacious? Nitpicking?? If the topic is about looks, then how am I nitpicking, I am merely on topic.
Additionally, I never said there are other variables I shouldn't look out for. I literally said "It matters but it doesn't DICTATE LIFE".

It would be low iq because there's not much roi for a specific goal, he already gets girls and has the capacity to get literally any girl. Looksmaxxing mainly is for getting out of inceldom through the pathway of improving looks.

Once you hit a certain looks level to where you are COMFORTABLY able to get a good amount of women consistently you literally do not need to improve past that unless you're in a densely populated place that's very primal like florida or california or something.

By what definition? You just defined looksmaxxing with your own perspective. That's stupid. It's called LooksMAXXING. Not Looksimprovinguntilyou'recomfortablewithyourlooks. If someone asks me for their flaw? What to I do? I give them a high ROI surgery. That's High ROI since however low the return is, the investment is miniscule. He can get girls. Yea that's not the point. LTN can get girls. LLTN can too. So he shouldn't ascend? He's comfortable with his looks? Copingmaxxt 101.

This fallacy is called the argument from silence if you didn't know and I didn't commit that lol. I said "why would you want?" to initially as a rhetorical statement then followed up with analogical reasoning so this is a stupid callout.

You're saying "There's 0 reason to look better. Since there is no reason to look better, you shouldn't look better"
Like wouldn't you totally agree with this? Well that's non-sequitur since you're implying to avoid looksmaxxing as if there's a negative impact. It's LITERALLY the definition of non-sequitur. This is simply non-negotiable.

This isn't the linear curve that you think it is. This principle doesn't operate such that "Any improvement to your looks even if its not drastic or needed is going to result in more lookism" Once again a stupid spectacle. If he already has more than enough he doesn't need more.

1. Elaborate why.

This is purely theoretical thinking that doesn't account for how things actually work in reality, he has come back and said he took MY advice and was successful. Because it's true.

Your advice is completely redundant from the discussion. There is literally no correlation? He found an HTB by going into a village and geomaxxing. How does that affect anything we talked about? You're acting like as if I said looks is everything. I mentioned multiple times it doesn't dictate your life and I even inb4'ed. It simply affects your life. Which is true

The truth is, he's a really good looking guy and can literally get anyone he wants why would he get surgery for a bit of a plus when everyone is going to have some kind of failo regardless. This is PRINCIPALLY like telling Jordan Barrett to get downgraft because he'll "look better" and "reap the benefit" when he already has all the benefits of looks.

That's redundant as well. "anyone he wants why would he get surgery for a bit of a plus when everyone is going to have some kind of failo regardless" BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKS MAXXERS. How hard is it to understand this principle? You came here for looksmax or what? Also, the Jordan barrel example isnt good. Jordan barret has a 1:1 midface and a downdraft would render him a failo. Jordan barred is "Looksmaxxed" since he's genetically gifted. That's why it's a horrible example to use. A rabbit hole surgery would be something like Jordan doing OBO for a slightly less compact midface. But this guy isn't getting a rabbit hole surgery, he's at the top of the iceberg. LIP LIFT. Like why are you so afraid of him looksmaxxing? He loses nothing and gains something. That's ROI. You're acting like the nigga will explode from a lip lift...

"refraining from improving changes nothing, but improving changes things." This point literally just presupposes that I change is desired or needed in the first place when that's the thing in question. Don't beg the question.

Literally what do I say here obviously. It's not essential. But do you not want your max potential? Isn't that what THEY came for? Maybe you came for something else? Under what circumstance is NOT looksmaxing not needed? He has paper thin lips. That's a big failo. It needs a fix.

Also you clearly can't understand analogies, you don't need to contain it with logical constituents to understand the point being explained. At the bottom line, the argument is that doing unnecessarily more is just not a good idea especially when there are minor stakes.

If you're gonna use an analogy then it should be proper. For example, that Jordan barred analogy was horrible, I explained why. Additionally, you're forgetting to explain. Why not fix his lips? How is that unnecessary? You didnt even explain why it's a bad idea.

I said he has more than enough multiple times, it wasn't just reduced to "it's enough." lol

Sufficient also would be bare minimum as there's no additional quantifiers for the sufficiency it's just rhetorical dialect. For example "There's enough" vs "There's more than enough" or you could have "That can do" vs "That's what I needed"

Also don't just reflect strawmans that's not how debates go. Saying sufficient = bare minimum isn't a strawman jfl

How does he have more than enough? If he can ascend considerably through lip therapy?
Sufficient is broader than bare minimum. Here's an analogy that makes sense.
"I have 320ng/dl testosterone. Thats bare minimum." He's borderline hypogonadal. That's bare minimum
"I have 700ng/dl testosterone. That's sufficient". That's adequately high, without "Too much". Sufficient also has multiple meanings, it can be bare minimum, or sufficiently high but not borderline. That's why this is a good analogy since it can be applied to him: he has good looks but he isn't going too far by fixing his lips, it would make him sufficiently higher, yet not "too much" [if thats even possible LOL]. hence, we won't be able to advance this segment of discussion if we keep arguing on the definitions and "No I meant it like this!" thats another fallacy but arguing about yet another fallacy is gonna turn this whole thing into slop.

Literally does not matter, everyone has failos in which this isn't a failo that's big enough to detract from his looks significantly he literally shows this is the case lmfao you guys on this forum are genuinely losing the plot.

We looksmax for females, not for stupid incel autists on an incel forum. He has achieved the end goal of what everyone is usually supposed to use this forum to aim for, getting surgery is literally a stupid idea that he does not need at all.

Sure if he WANTED to do that he could, but at that point he's moving away from the goal of all of this because he already has reached the finish line.

This is also going to be negligible gains like I said it's not gonna just spawn him double the women he already gets he only needs/wants 1 I believe. Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not.

The argument also isn't "It's unsafe and expensive" the argument is the money could go anywhere else better because of the fact he doesn't need the procedure.

Thin lips is definitely a considerably noticable failo. I don't know what is with you. Geniunely acting like he would die from a lip lift.
And who said you're looksmaxxing for females? If looks are only in terms of dating then you're literally admitting to being a red piller And what goal has he achieved? He's literally at the start. It's just his journey is way shorter. If he's asking for tips, he isn't at the end goal.And now you're talking about him reaching a finish line? The finish line is him fixing all his failo and becoming perfect. That's impossible of course. So he can do something that is simple and easy, like a lip lift, to improve his looks. Go further into the finish line. Yet I've never seen anyone who is this "Too good looking". You're either gonna show an uncanny person [who is unharmonious, hence literally not good looking] or something else that wouldn'tprove the point.

Why do you niggas not want a lip lift dude. The money can go elsewhere. Where? That would by higher ROI than a lip lift? To a mortgage? That's not high ROI. You would effectively put your money for nothing to change. You would never actually own a house unless you're 1/million or from a millionaire family So you're seriously wasting your money. Welcome to capitalism nigga.

You're still acting like I'm saying the procedure is expensive. Once again, the money could go elsewhere is a supportive point for the main point which is the fact that it is NOT NEEDED. And if he did get it, it would not boost or change his life in literally any way.

This example you're using is literally a good point of what I'm saying. She went from ugly to still really fucking ugly.. Because she has other bigger failos than her lips. Conversely, it is the case that this guys other features outweigh his lips.

yes it's a cheap mini ascension/improvement but he should be asking himself "Do I even need this for my goal? Is the ROI big enough to actually impact how things are?" The answer is fucking no and he already agreed the answer is no.

Then answer my previous argument.

Yes he needs it for his goal. You literally said he's at the finish line but has a goal? If he has a goal that's for better looks, lip lift. If he has a goal that would attract more women, marginally or not? Lip lift. Like this is a looksMAXX principle. "The answer is fucking no and he already agreed the answer is no." Because you 2 are literally normie niggers. You're a redpiller and he's a greycel who decided to agree with you. Sure, you gave him a separate tip, that worked. But would lip lift not work? obviously it would also work. Why not?
Previously you said this
"Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not."
So he could get a benefit from this? By trying more he could have an easier way of slaying in clubs, but he doesn't want. This isn't straw man. It's a different interpretation of what you said. He just doesn't want to slay? Okay he can live with his failos. It's his body after all. But he came for looksmax. Not personalitymax

I wasn't saying you specifically said this, but it still follows the pattern recognition.

Also this is just a fallacy of shifting the quantifier. "Looks affect your life, They don't dictate it therefore any change in looks affects your life" Is a textbook example of shifting the quantifier and cherry picking. Just because looks affect your life, there's still variables you aren't picking out to account for.

You're also completely ignoring that these variables consider whether your life is really affected anymore. Sure if I have poor maxilla recession whilst being fat and a bad hairstyle, fixing these things will change your life drastically.

But this isn't a linear curve, Having almost everything dialed in to some degree except one failo isn't going to change your life for the best or the worst especially when it's not bone-oriented.

"My eyelashes aren't as long as they could be" yes minoxidil would be good but is it needed if you're a slayer already? No. and if they're still decent enough anyways all the more reason it isn't needed.

Why would it be a fallacy of the quantifier? The definition's example is this:
"Everybody has a brain" does not mean "There is one brain that everyone shares".
How the fuck is my example a fallacy of the quantifier? Did you like googlewhat fallacy my argument could be?
"Just because looks affect your life, there's still variables you aren't picking out to account for."
Did... I ever say he should avoid everything and focus on looks? BRO IT'S A FUCKING LIP LIFT. THAT'S BASIC LOOKSMAXX. I said looks dont dictate your life. Hence, I'm saying that there are other variables that affect your life, which in total, dictate your life altogether.
You said it's gonna help.
"Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not."
That's not better? Did he not get an improvement?

"My eyelashes aren't as long as they could be" yes minoxidil would be good but is it needed if you're a slayer already? No. and if they're still decent enough anyways all the more reason it isn't needed.

Well minoxidil is a bad example because it's not meant to be used on eyelashes but let's say you used a lash serum. It's extremely cheap and safe and easy. Why would you not do it? If it yields a positive result? Why avoid it? That's just stupid. No my eyelashes could be better but it's enough I don't need it. Now what do you say about his lips? Improving his lips would be better since his lips are garbage. Like, look at the picture again. These need to be fixed.

I'm sorry OP that you're catching strays, but I have to prove the point. He would get a better MFR and a CTP with a lip lift. That's amazing ROI. The mouth is in the middle of the face. Anything improving the mouth improves the face, improving the face improves looks, improving life.

It's called sound logic. Not everything is a fallacy... And it isn't shifting the quantifier.

Already responded to the "looks = better life" thing

This is why I interrogate people when they ask for advice. I also ask for the goal, in this case he wants to "looksmaxx" for girls but doesn't even realise that the "problem" he's having is coming from his mind not his looks.

Hence I gave him more impactful advice that he actually took on and helped him.

Gains r neg

1. Well I responded to the looks = better life thing [since thats what we literally believe. Looks is literally a better life. Lookism. If you dont believe that you're not a blackpiller. You may be a redpiller since you think it's only good in dating] so there's no point in saying "Already responded" Like I'm competent enough to understand you answered my point.

This is why I interrogate people when they ask for advice. I also ask for the goal, in this case he wants to "looksmaxx" for girls but doesn't even realise that the "problem" he's having is coming from his mind not his looks.

Well I don't really care why you interrogate people, that doesn't really mean anything. He said He wants to looksmaxx for girls. He asked how to ascend. Like do you want me to say something else? That he shouldn't fix a visible failo?

His chin to philtrum is lower than 2. It's like 1.5 [Generous estimate] and you're telling him he doesn't need to fix it. Dude. This is a failo. Again, sorry OP that I'm just insulting you at this point.

Hence I gave him more impactful advice that he actually took on and helped him.

Gains r neg

Well a lip lift would help him as well?
Gains r neg
De fuck does that mean? Your advice has negative gains or mine?

wouldn't even say I sound like one or is giving a "borderline" bluepill ideology. You're just taking 1 component of what I said and attributing that to being bluepill when what I'm saying is just reality.

Well now you're a redpiller. Okay that might sound annoying, but, you're practically red pilling. You say looksmax is only for getting women. That's Redpill. Not blackpill. You';re rejecting fundaments of blackpill. You dont even need to be an extremist. This is top of the surface blackpill.

"Because it's not need, you'll always be able to improve in every single aspect regardless of how much procedures you do." Yes, I'm not saying how this is similar to bluepill. Again you can't just create a similarity off of the basis that there is a similar word or context of whether something is "needed" or not.

Needed. Since he has a 1.3 CTP. That's bad bro. Bad. He has the same philtrum as Big Q.
You also cant improve in every aspect? Like Barrett was a poor example. Nigga can't improve. Nor can someone like Matias.

But who can? OP, who has thin lips.

A bluepiller would say looks doesn't matter and improvement is unnecessary.
I am saying looks are necessary and DO matter. Taking it a step further, they matter the most. Taking it a step even further,
You need a certain looks level for the ability to consistently get girls.

Thanks for this. It made things a bit easier to clarify. You're not a bluepiller. You were just borderline bluepiller at that point, way more focus on personality. That advice you gave wasn't personality anyway. It was a strategy. Now that you admit looks matter the most, you're also not a redpiller. But that means that he should get the lip lift to remove his bad CTP. He can make it ideal. We aren't going from enough to ideal. We're going from bad to ideal. That's the goal.

These worldviews aren't similar at all it's just that you're cherry picking my idea that once you get to a certain looks level you don't need to continue looksmaxxing other than maintenance of your looks obviously.

Probably. But after that I didn't cherrypick your ideas. I accepted every single one of them. The red pill Idea, the black pill idea, the blue pill idea. This isn't cherrypicking.Nor am I some kinda of ultra accelerated aesthetic extremist. I said looks don't dictate life. That leaves me out of the rabbit hole.

Doesn't "approach" the bluepill side either. They couldn't even agree with me on the most basic point of looks lol genuine cagefuel

I don't know what to say. You said he has enough to get women. But so does LTNs like vexbolts or Sub-3s like bad bunny. So, if you apply to them, they also dont need looksmaxxing. Because they're fine with their life. But if they came to this forum asking how to ascend? They want to looksmax. Not looksenough

I'm dnring next response too, this was way too time consuming.
You can just read this and agree to disagree.

You can, I wouldn't mind. OP made up his mind. but at least rep me, you nigger.

 

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Acting like you can only improve looks and not other traits. Lol, you can only fix looks after you get the money. What cherrypicking? This thread is about looks and how to ascend.
And you completely misinterpreted shifting the quantifier. My argument isn't fallacious. If you affect your looks, you affect your life, since looks affect life. How could this be fallacious? Nitpicking?? If the topic is about looks, then how am I nitpicking, I am merely on topic.
Additionally, I never said there are other variables I shouldn't look out for. I literally said "It matters but it doesn't DICTATE LIFE".

By what definition? You just defined looksmaxxing with your own perspective. That's stupid. It's called LooksMAXXING. Not Looksimprovinguntilyou'recomfortablewithyourlooks. If someone asks me for their flaw? What to I do? I give them a high ROI surgery. That's High ROI since however low the return is, the investment is miniscule. He can get girls. Yea that's not the point. LTN can get girls. LLTN can too. So he shouldn't ascend? He's comfortable with his looks? Copingmaxxt 101.

You're saying "There's 0 reason to look better. Since there is no reason to look better, you shouldn't look better"
Like wouldn't you totally agree with this? Well that's non-sequitur since you're implying to avoid looksmaxxing as if there's a negative impact. It's LITERALLY the definition of non-sequitur. This is simply non-negotiable.

1. Elaborate why.

Your advice is completely redundant from the discussion. There is literally no correlation? He found an HTB by going into a village and geomaxxing. How does that affect anything we talked about? You're acting like as if I said looks is everything. I mentioned multiple times it doesn't dictate your life and I even inb4'ed. It simply affects your life. Which is true

That's redundant as well. "anyone he wants why would he get surgery for a bit of a plus when everyone is going to have some kind of failo regardless" BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKS MAXXERS. How hard is it to understand this principle? You came here for looksmax or what? Also, the Jordan barrel example isnt good. Jordan barret has a 1:1 midface and a downdraft would render him a failo. Jordan barred is "Looksmaxxed" since he's genetically gifted. That's why it's a horrible example to use. A rabbit hole surgery would be something like Jordan doing OBO for a slightly less compact midface. But this guy isn't getting a rabbit hole surgery, he's at the top of the iceberg. LIP LIFT. Like why are you so afraid of him looksmaxxing? He loses nothing and gains something. That's ROI. You're acting like the nigga will explode from a lip lift...

Literally what do I say here obviously. It's not essential. But do you not want your max potential? Isn't that what THEY came for? Maybe you came for something else? Under what circumstance is NOT looksmaxing not needed? He has paper thin lips. That's a big failo. It needs a fix.

If you're gonna use an analogy then it should be proper. For example, that Jordan barred analogy was horrible, I explained why. Additionally, you're forgetting to explain. Why not fix his lips? How is that unnecessary? You didnt even explain why it's a bad idea.

How does he have more than enough? If he can ascend considerably through lip therapy?
Sufficient is broader than bare minimum. Here's an analogy that makes sense.
"I have 320ng/dl testosterone. Thats bare minimum." He's borderline hypogonadal. That's bare minimum
"I have 700ng/dl testosterone. That's sufficient". That's adequately high, without "Too much". Sufficient also has multiple meanings, it can be bare minimum, or sufficiently high but not borderline. That's why this is a good analogy since it can be applied to him: he has good looks but he isn't going too far by fixing his lips, it would make him sufficiently higher, yet not "too much" [if thats even possible LOL]. hence, we won't be able to advance this segment of discussion if we keep arguing on the definitions and "No I meant it like this!" thats another fallacy but arguing about yet another fallacy is gonna turn this whole thing into slop.

Thin lips is definitely a considerably noticable failo. I don't know what is with you. Geniunely acting like he would die from a lip lift.
And who said you're looksmaxxing for females? If looks are only in terms of dating then you're literally admitting to being a red piller And what goal has he achieved? He's literally at the start. It's just his journey is way shorter. If he's asking for tips, he isn't at the end goal.And now you're talking about him reaching a finish line? The finish line is him fixing all his failo and becoming perfect. That's impossible of course. So he can do something that is simple and easy, like a lip lift, to improve his looks. Go further into the finish line. Yet I've never seen anyone who is this "Too good looking". You're either gonna show an uncanny person [who is unharmonious, hence literally not good looking] or something else that wouldn'tprove the point.

Why do you niggas not want a lip lift dude. The money can go elsewhere. Where? That would by higher ROI than a lip lift? To a mortgage? That's not high ROI. You would effectively put your money for nothing to change. You would never actually own a house unless you're 1/million or from a millionaire family So you're seriously wasting your money. Welcome to capitalism nigga.

Then answer my previous argument.

Yes he needs it for his goal. You literally said he's at the finish line but has a goal? If he has a goal that's for better looks, lip lift. If he has a goal that would attract more women, marginally or not? Lip lift. Like this is a looksMAXX principle. "The answer is fucking no and he already agreed the answer is no." Because you 2 are literally normie niggers. You're a redpiller and he's a greycel who decided to agree with you. Sure, you gave him a separate tip, that worked. But would lip lift not work? obviously it would also work. Why not?
Previously you said this
"Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not."
So he could get a benefit from this? By trying more he could have an easier way of slaying in clubs, but he doesn't want. This isn't straw man. It's a different interpretation of what you said. He just doesn't want to slay? Okay he can live with his failos. It's his body after all. But he came for looksmax. Not personalitymax

Why would it be a fallacy of the quantifier? The definition's example is this:
"Everybody has a brain" does not mean "There is one brain that everyone shares".
How the fuck is my example a fallacy of the quantifier? Did you like googlewhat fallacy my argument could be?
"Just because looks affect your life, there's still variables you aren't picking out to account for."
Did... I ever say he should avoid everything and focus on looks? BRO IT'S A FUCKING LIP LIFT. THAT'S BASIC LOOKSMAXX. I said looks dont dictate your life. Hence, I'm saying that there are other variables that affect your life, which in total, dictate your life altogether.
You said it's gonna help.
"Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not."
That's not better? Did he not get an improvement?

Well minoxidil is a bad example because it's not meant to be used on eyelashes but let's say you used a lash serum. It's extremely cheap and safe and easy. Why would you not do it? If it yields a positive result? Why avoid it? That's just stupid. No my eyelashes could be better but it's enough I don't need it. Now what do you say about his lips? Improving his lips would be better since his lips are garbage. Like, look at the picture again. These need to be fixed.
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I'm sorry OP that you're catching strays, but I have to prove the point. He would get a better MFR and a CTP with a lip lift. That's amazing ROI. The mouth is in the middle of the face. Anything improving the mouth improves the face, improving the face improves looks, improving life.

It's called sound logic. Not everything is a fallacy... And it isn't shifting the quantifier.

1. Well I responded to the looks = better life thing [since thats what we literally believe. Looks is literally a better life. Lookism. If you dont believe that you're not a blackpiller. You may be a redpiller since you think it's only good in dating] so there's no point in saying "Already responded" Like I'm competent enough to understand you answered my point.

Well I don't really care why you interrogate people, that doesn't really mean anything. He said He wants to looksmaxx for girls. He asked how to ascend. Like do you want me to say something else? That he shouldn't fix a visible failo?
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His chin to philtrum is lower than 2. It's like 1.5 [Generous estimate] and you're telling him he doesn't need to fix it. Dude. This is a failo. Again, sorry OP that I'm just insulting you at this point.

Well a lip lift would help him as well?
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De fuck does that mean? Your advice has negative gains or mine?

Well now you're a redpiller. Okay that might sound annoying, but, you're practically red pilling. You say looksmax is only for getting women. That's Redpill. Not blackpill. You';re rejecting fundaments of blackpill. You dont even need to be an extremist. This is top of the surface blackpill.

Needed. Since he has a 1.3 CTP. That's bad bro. Bad. He has the same philtrum as Big Q.
You also cant improve in every aspect? Like Barrett was a poor example. Nigga can't improve. Nor can someone like Matias.
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But who can? OP, who has thin lips.

Thanks for this. It made things a bit easier to clarify. You're not a bluepiller. You were just borderline bluepiller at that point, way more focus on personality. That advice you gave wasn't personality anyway. It was a strategy. Now that you admit looks matter the most, you're also not a redpiller. But that means that he should get the lip lift to remove his bad CTP. He can make it ideal. We aren't going from enough to ideal. We're going from bad to ideal. That's the goal.

Probably. But after that I didn't cherrypick your ideas. I accepted every single one of them. The red pill Idea, the black pill idea, the blue pill idea. This isn't cherrypicking.Nor am I some kinda of ultra accelerated aesthetic extremist. I said looks don't dictate life. That leaves me out of the rabbit hole.

I don't know what to say. You said he has enough to get women. But so does LTNs like vexbolts or Sub-3s like bad bunny. So, if you apply to them, they also dont need looksmaxxing. Because they're fine with their life. But if they came to this forum asking how to ascend? They want to looksmax. Not looksenough

You can, I wouldn't mind. OP made up his mind. but at least rep me, you nigger.

ok so i should get a lip lift noted lmao

 

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Acting like you can only improve looks and not other traits. Lol, you can only fix looks after you get the money. What cherrypicking? This thread is about looks and how to ascend.
And you completely misinterpreted shifting the quantifier. My argument isn't fallacious. If you affect your looks, you affect your life, since looks affect life. How could this be fallacious? Nitpicking?? If the topic is about looks, then how am I nitpicking, I am merely on topic.
Additionally, I never said there are other variables I shouldn't look out for. I literally said "It matters but it doesn't DICTATE LIFE".

By what definition? You just defined looksmaxxing with your own perspective. That's stupid. It's called LooksMAXXING. Not Looksimprovinguntilyou'recomfortablewithyourlooks. If someone asks me for their flaw? What to I do? I give them a high ROI surgery. That's High ROI since however low the return is, the investment is miniscule. He can get girls. Yea that's not the point. LTN can get girls. LLTN can too. So he shouldn't ascend? He's comfortable with his looks? Copingmaxxt 101.

You're saying "There's 0 reason to look better. Since there is no reason to look better, you shouldn't look better"
Like wouldn't you totally agree with this? Well that's non-sequitur since you're implying to avoid looksmaxxing as if there's a negative impact. It's LITERALLY the definition of non-sequitur. This is simply non-negotiable.

1. Elaborate why.

Your advice is completely redundant from the discussion. There is literally no correlation? He found an HTB by going into a village and geomaxxing. How does that affect anything we talked about? You're acting like as if I said looks is everything. I mentioned multiple times it doesn't dictate your life and I even inb4'ed. It simply affects your life. Which is true

That's redundant as well. "anyone he wants why would he get surgery for a bit of a plus when everyone is going to have some kind of failo regardless" BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKS MAXXERS. How hard is it to understand this principle? You came here for looksmax or what? Also, the Jordan barrel example isnt good. Jordan barret has a 1:1 midface and a downdraft would render him a failo. Jordan barred is "Looksmaxxed" since he's genetically gifted. That's why it's a horrible example to use. A rabbit hole surgery would be something like Jordan doing OBO for a slightly less compact midface. But this guy isn't getting a rabbit hole surgery, he's at the top of the iceberg. LIP LIFT. Like why are you so afraid of him looksmaxxing? He loses nothing and gains something. That's ROI. You're acting like the nigga will explode from a lip lift...

Literally what do I say here obviously. It's not essential. But do you not want your max potential? Isn't that what THEY came for? Maybe you came for something else? Under what circumstance is NOT looksmaxing not needed? He has paper thin lips. That's a big failo. It needs a fix.

If you're gonna use an analogy then it should be proper. For example, that Jordan barred analogy was horrible, I explained why. Additionally, you're forgetting to explain. Why not fix his lips? How is that unnecessary? You didnt even explain why it's a bad idea.

How does he have more than enough? If he can ascend considerably through lip therapy?
Sufficient is broader than bare minimum. Here's an analogy that makes sense.
"I have 320ng/dl testosterone. Thats bare minimum." He's borderline hypogonadal. That's bare minimum
"I have 700ng/dl testosterone. That's sufficient". That's adequately high, without "Too much". Sufficient also has multiple meanings, it can be bare minimum, or sufficiently high but not borderline. That's why this is a good analogy since it can be applied to him: he has good looks but he isn't going too far by fixing his lips, it would make him sufficiently higher, yet not "too much" [if thats even possible LOL]. hence, we won't be able to advance this segment of discussion if we keep arguing on the definitions and "No I meant it like this!" thats another fallacy but arguing about yet another fallacy is gonna turn this whole thing into slop.

Thin lips is definitely a considerably noticable failo. I don't know what is with you. Geniunely acting like he would die from a lip lift.
And who said you're looksmaxxing for females? If looks are only in terms of dating then you're literally admitting to being a red piller And what goal has he achieved? He's literally at the start. It's just his journey is way shorter. If he's asking for tips, he isn't at the end goal.And now you're talking about him reaching a finish line? The finish line is him fixing all his failo and becoming perfect. That's impossible of course. So he can do something that is simple and easy, like a lip lift, to improve his looks. Go further into the finish line. Yet I've never seen anyone who is this "Too good looking". You're either gonna show an uncanny person [who is unharmonious, hence literally not good looking] or something else that wouldn'tprove the point.

Why do you niggas not want a lip lift dude. The money can go elsewhere. Where? That would by higher ROI than a lip lift? To a mortgage? That's not high ROI. You would effectively put your money for nothing to change. You would never actually own a house unless you're 1/million or from a millionaire family So you're seriously wasting your money. Welcome to capitalism nigga.

Then answer my previous argument.

Yes he needs it for his goal. You literally said he's at the finish line but has a goal? If he has a goal that's for better looks, lip lift. If he has a goal that would attract more women, marginally or not? Lip lift. Like this is a looksMAXX principle. "The answer is fucking no and he already agreed the answer is no." Because you 2 are literally normie niggers. You're a redpiller and he's a greycel who decided to agree with you. Sure, you gave him a separate tip, that worked. But would lip lift not work? obviously it would also work. Why not?
Previously you said this
"Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not."
So he could get a benefit from this? By trying more he could have an easier way of slaying in clubs, but he doesn't want. This isn't straw man. It's a different interpretation of what you said. He just doesn't want to slay? Okay he can live with his failos. It's his body after all. But he came for looksmax. Not personalitymax

Why would it be a fallacy of the quantifier? The definition's example is this:
"Everybody has a brain" does not mean "There is one brain that everyone shares".
How the fuck is my example a fallacy of the quantifier? Did you like googlewhat fallacy my argument could be?
"Just because looks affect your life, there's still variables you aren't picking out to account for."
Did... I ever say he should avoid everything and focus on looks? BRO IT'S A FUCKING LIP LIFT. THAT'S BASIC LOOKSMAXX. I said looks dont dictate your life. Hence, I'm saying that there are other variables that affect your life, which in total, dictate your life altogether.
You said it's gonna help.
"Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not."
That's not better? Did he not get an improvement?

Well minoxidil is a bad example because it's not meant to be used on eyelashes but let's say you used a lash serum. It's extremely cheap and safe and easy. Why would you not do it? If it yields a positive result? Why avoid it? That's just stupid. No my eyelashes could be better but it's enough I don't need it. Now what do you say about his lips? Improving his lips would be better since his lips are garbage. Like, look at the picture again. These need to be fixed.
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I'm sorry OP that you're catching strays, but I have to prove the point. He would get a better MFR and a CTP with a lip lift. That's amazing ROI. The mouth is in the middle of the face. Anything improving the mouth improves the face, improving the face improves looks, improving life.

It's called sound logic. Not everything is a fallacy... And it isn't shifting the quantifier.

1. Well I responded to the looks = better life thing [since thats what we literally believe. Looks is literally a better life. Lookism. If you dont believe that you're not a blackpiller. You may be a redpiller since you think it's only good in dating] so there's no point in saying "Already responded" Like I'm competent enough to understand you answered my point.

Well I don't really care why you interrogate people, that doesn't really mean anything. He said He wants to looksmaxx for girls. He asked how to ascend. Like do you want me to say something else? That he shouldn't fix a visible failo?
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His chin to philtrum is lower than 2. It's like 1.5 [Generous estimate] and you're telling him he doesn't need to fix it. Dude. This is a failo. Again, sorry OP that I'm just insulting you at this point.

Well a lip lift would help him as well?
Gains r neg
De fuck does that mean? Your advice has negative gains or mine?

Well now you're a redpiller. Okay that might sound annoying, but, you're practically red pilling. You say looksmax is only for getting women. That's Redpill. Not blackpill. You';re rejecting fundaments of blackpill. You dont even need to be an extremist. This is top of the surface blackpill.

Needed. Since he has a 1.3 CTP. That's bad bro. Bad. He has the same philtrum as Big Q.
You also cant improve in every aspect? Like Barrett was a poor example. Nigga can't improve. Nor can someone like Matias.
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But who can? OP, who has thin lips.

Thanks for this. It made things a bit easier to clarify. You're not a bluepiller. You were just borderline bluepiller at that point, way more focus on personality. That advice you gave wasn't personality anyway. It was a strategy. Now that you admit looks matter the most, you're also not a redpiller. But that means that he should get the lip lift to remove his bad CTP. He can make it ideal. We aren't going from enough to ideal. We're going from bad to ideal. That's the goal.

Probably. But after that I didn't cherrypick your ideas. I accepted every single one of them. The red pill Idea, the black pill idea, the blue pill idea. This isn't cherrypicking.Nor am I some kinda of ultra accelerated aesthetic extremist. I said looks don't dictate life. That leaves me out of the rabbit hole.

I don't know what to say. You said he has enough to get women. But so does LTNs like vexbolts or Sub-3s like bad bunny. So, if you apply to them, they also dont need looksmaxxing. Because they're fine with their life. But if they came to this forum asking how to ascend? They want to looksmax. Not looksenough

You can, I wouldn't mind. OP made up his mind. but at least rep me, you nigger.

also i just ordered latisse for my lashes